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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: I would like to announce this to the Commissioner of the NBA, Adam Silver. I need to come up with a new category, a new stat It's called shots discouraged SD no t SD shots discouraged. Victor Wembanyama. I think Portland shot nineteen percent on the shots that wembin Yama contested in this series. That's where you go and you do a pick and roll and all of a sudden you think you're open, and then all of a sudden you just see him fly by or come out of nowhere. Shots discouraged. This is kind of like hurries, you know, I talk about Max Crosby. Sach's not as important to me as hurries are, because you can hurry variety of throws and you could, you know, out of that, you could get interceptions in completions. Now, yes, bringing the quarterback down a sack, I think we get caught up on that number as opposed to how many times are you getting near the quarterback speeding up his process? And Max Crosby is maybe the best at doing that. But with Wemby, shots discouraged. Now, we did try receiver caused interception RCI, where the receiver is the one who caused the interception that didn't catch on. So maybe shots discouraged with Victor Wembenyama. I'm letting the commissioner know, as I've let him know about a couple other things. You know, positionless positionless all NBA teams, the sixty five games minimum if you're going to qualify for postseason awards. Now, everybody loved that you didn't have to play a particular position. The five best players are on the first team in such and such, second and third, the sixty five games. There's been some pushback, and I'll take the blame on that because we can change the lottery, and they're changing the lottery again. Load management is the big issue, not the lottery. It's load management. I don't know if there's a solution to that. And next time we have the commissioner on I mean, I get it, you want to have teams stop tanking, but I need players who want to play. And I'll go back to Victor Wembnyama. He wants to be great, he wants to be MVP. He wanted to be Defensive Player of the Year. You know what he did in the offseason last year, he worked out with one of our guests today, Jamal Crawford, who in the pantheon of great ball handlers in the history of the NBA. His name is in that conversation. So Wemby worked out with Jamal Crawford to work on his handle.

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Speaker 3: Amazing. He's just getting.

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Speaker 2: To the point where he's figuring out where to be on the court offensively, defensively, He's already there. But shots discouraged in the Portland series, and you could see guys like this is where quarterbacks say that they see ghost you know, or the pocket is getting muddy, and Sam Darnold famously said that, you know he sees ghosts in the pocket, like Wemby is a ghost. He's he's there. I'm not sure where he is, but I know he'll be here. And that's what you saw in this Portland series. It was fun, fun to watch. He is musty TV. There is no other player I'd rather watch than Wemby. Now there's other you know, when Steph is at his peak, Steph was wonderful. There's so many, you know, great players, even Joe l embiid last night. I'm all fired up this morning I gotta slow down a little bit. I'm watching Himbiid last night and it was a reminder game because I kept watching and going, okay, Bob, okay, Boston, ok uh oh, and then the fourth quarter they were horrible.

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Speaker 3: But Joe Ellenbiid.

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind the first two years he didn't play, had a bad back, and really his college career was spotty because of injuries.

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Speaker 3: But this was supposed to be the process.

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Speaker 2: Could have been a bust, and you know his career will be tricky when it's over. When we look back and you go, hey, he didn't win an MVP and didn't win a title, but the numbers are there, like you'd think he's a bum when he's averaging what twenty seven, Uh, I don't know, eight and four something like that. I mean, it is a down year for him, and you could see, really he's almost hunched over on the floor. He can't jump. Still has great touch and great field for the game. But you're watching last night and I just thought, man, I don't know how he's doing it, but when he's on the floor, he can still be a difference. Now, Philadelphia, you know, I loved me some Tyres maxing. I loved him coming out Edgecombe. I think is a good draft pick. Then Paul George. Paul George is fun to see. I mean, I don't want him on my team, but I you know, he does have a beautiful jump shot. But I'm watching and I go, Okay, Philly has some talent here. It's just Paul George's not Paul George. And joe El Embiid is not Joel Embiid because of injuries. But you're watching that game last night, and I love Boston to come out of the East, and I kept thinking, man, you can't have these kind of nights. And they had a horrible fourth quarter, certainly from three point range. So I'm watching a lot of the NBA last night, and uh boy, hey, let's go out to Seventh Avenue and take off our shirts and celebrate because we beat the Hawks first round. Yeah, yeah, Nicks in six, Nicks in six.

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Speaker 3: I'm going come on, are you that desperate to celebrate? Yes, come on, let's go. Let's take off our shirts. Yes, Marvin VP.

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Speaker 4: They are going working. And next game in the playoffs is just one of those.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: Let's just see how bad they overreact to a win against the Pacers in Game two of the Eastern Conference Finals.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, well, Eastern Conference Finals. I'm okay celebrating. We're in the first round, aren't we.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But now this is the tradition because they've been good for about thirty six months, so every single first round we won Boston.

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Speaker 5: You know you don't, I know you don't.

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Speaker 3: Let's go outside and take off our shirts. We beat the Hawks at home, yes, Paul.

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Speaker 6: They got rid of TIBs. Last year they were fifty one and thirty one, lost in the Eastern Conference Finals. They have two more regular season wins this year. They don't feel as threatening, but they're they're doing pretty well. It's a good feeling down there.

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Speaker 2: Jamal Crawford will join us coming up next hour. Albert Brier, the Monday morning quarterback, will join us. There's some football items to talk to him about. I saw where Russell Wilson maybe the Jets. I'm like, hasn't he suffered enough? And we're still waiting for Aaron Rodgers to show up? Feels like that's a foregone conclusion. Speaking of which, the NCAA is going to make it official in a couple of weeks. They're going to seventy six teams for the men's and the women's teams. And the one thing that I never ever want to hear again is a coach complaining that they didn't make the tournament. Not allowed to have that anymore. Can't say it. Seventy six teams, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 5: Team seventy seven is going to be a fire this season.

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Speaker 3: Not allowed.

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Speaker 5: We were nineteen and fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Not allowed.

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Speaker 5: We had Tier one wins.

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Speaker 2: And they expanded, like I told you they were going to. They just add games on Tuesday and Wednesday. You're going to have a Dayton, Ohio again, and then you'll have what I'm told will be a West Coast site as well. Working on the travel, trying to cut down the travel. If you win your game on Tuesday, you have to play on Thursday, Wednesday, Friday. So they want to try to help out with travel there. But yes, nobody wanted it, but we got it seventies. You know who wants it. Coaches, coaches wanted conferences want this. That's where you can brag and the Big ten can say we got nine teams in the SEC. We got all of our teams in March madness. Here here's the problem I have you know what, I'm gonna save it. I'm gonna save it. I have that for you coming up. Man, I'm wound up today. I am wound up, ready to go. I don't know what it was. Maybe it was Wemby. Does that to me?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Marvin much to todch Shagreen. He's not big on the Wenby coveries.

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Speaker 3: Oh I know, I know, No, no, say so, I have nothing to say.

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Speaker 8: He's amazing, he's a unicorn.

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Speaker 5: Hey, it's all been said.

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Speaker 4: That's the problem, and now all you could do is just keep reiterating all the different adjectives that have done.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but did you ever say that about Michael Jordan. Everything's been said.

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Speaker 5: Because that was more of my era when I was younger. That's We all have our little biases.

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Speaker 2: But Wemby is getting better. He's twenty two, he's getting better. We ran out of things how to describe Mike. When I would do highlights, I'd be like, I don't know what adjectives to put in here.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Marman, Yeah, Fritzy. We're seeing something we've never seen in our lifetime before. This is Ralph Sampson, who can handle the basketball and play on the perimeter.

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Speaker 9: Todd's not watching this.

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Speaker 6: Todd, Yes, But you know certain players, they developed their games and they change. You remember earlyer Jordan was attacked the hoop, get fouled, dunk on people. But then six years later he became a low post killer and protected himself. Wemby, he averaged nine threes attempted last year. He's down the five and a half this year. He's brought his game more inside. He's altered his game.

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Speaker 2: Here is the Spurs Radio Network last night with a highlight through holiday, brings.

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Speaker 1: It back up the floor, hands it back to Monti Kamara at zacking goes up on way Minyama needs some of the.

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Speaker 10: Block, cuts his six heen, then tomorrow throws it off.

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Speaker 1: He underside of the basket, out of bounds. What can he not do with his out of this world?

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Speaker 3: Spurs Radio Network. There you go tozz.

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Speaker 5: Out of this world? What can he not do?

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Speaker 2: He's not human, He's not eight seven to seven three DP show Operator Tyler's sitting by doing nothing except for answering your phone calls and petting my dog.

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Speaker 3: Poll question, well do you have one? Right now?

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Speaker 7: I do?

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Speaker 11: Dan Okay off the NCAA tournament expansion is expanding the tournament to seventy six teams a good idea. Sure, the more the merrier, or no, it's perfect the way it is. We actually didn't even need the first four those to Todd's verviage.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know if anybody was saying we need this now. I know that in college football, okay, we went from four to twelve, and I said, in my lifetime, I'm good, Well they realized how much money. Everybody's excited about it. Now we're going to go to sixteen. Then we'll go to twenty four. When we get to twenty four, it'll still be interesting, very profitable. I just worry because these leagues they never you know, relegate, they never move the clock back, they never go let's go back to thirty two teams. That's not happening. You know, NBA gave us the play in game. Baseball's added more playoff spots. I mean every league is adding more. Like if you can't make playoffs in hockey, it's like you should be fired in half the league make the playoffs. The exclusivity that's attached to this is long gone, so I understand it, but I think that there can be that. Boy, we're teetering on the brink here of watering down the regular season. Everybody's going to make the tournament, yes, Tod.

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Speaker 5: And that could be arguments for why coaches don't want extra teams because you couldn't make it with that many.

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Speaker 4: Teams in the field that you definitely lose your job, as opposed to well, all these teams, I'll definitely get one.

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Speaker 5: Of those spots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So we'll come up with the poll question a little bit more. With March Madness expanding, they're going to make it now, the paper is signed. From what I'm told, probably two to three weeks down the road they'll make this official. But it is happening a lot of reports on this, yes, Paul.

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Speaker 6: You know on Selection Sunday they would show a team and they show the different coaches. What if you're shown and you don't make it, your coaches walked right out of the building. Oh he gets fired on CBS National TV. Wow, I like the old days of hard knocks. Hmm okay, I mean it's reality TV. They never show reality on reality TV. That's what disappoints me. You know, when the Kardashians go through all of their messes. We never get to see those messes though. It's like it's always homogenized. Yes, Dylan, you're telling me the secret lives of Mormon wives. Isn't actually that secret?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I didn't know that there's the Housewives of Rhode Island.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, what Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Who asked for the Housewives of Rhode Island?

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Speaker 6: No small state, A lot of drama, that is true.

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Speaker 11: Everyone in Rhode Island does know each other.

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Speaker 3: Well I didn't. Somebody said that to me and I laughed.

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Speaker 2: I thought they were joking, and then I realized, there's the Real Housewives of Rhode Island.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Todd, what's old is Newport again? I guess thank you to.

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Speaker 6: The Real Housewives of Delaware next year, Dan, not.

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Speaker 3: Actually not, Why I wouldn't, I mean, why not?

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Speaker 6: There's drama and Delaware.

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Speaker 2: There's drama everywhere, but you create the drama. It's like, all right, you got to get mad at her and then you you know, you know, knock over some glasses and you know, turn.

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Speaker 3: Over the table, okay, and action. That's your reality.

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Speaker 11: They do always seem to have a glass of something.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 11: It's nine am, you're drinking wine again.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's certain shows that they do encourage you to drink.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, what was it? Love is Blind? I think, yeah, they're drinking all the time.

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Speaker 2: Well, I remember I was on Jimmy Kimmel's show years and years and years ago. He had an open bar and you know, people were you were encouraged to drink, and then they eventually got rid of the bar. But I remember it's like, sure, I'll have a beer before you go out there. All right, let me take a break. Just getting started here. Did I tell you how great Wemby was last night?

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Speaker 8: Time?

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Speaker 5: He's not human, he does.

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Speaker 3: Is a unicorn.

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Speaker 7: You might want to use.

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Speaker 3: A giraffe.

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Speaker 2: Marvin kept telling me that Klay Thompson and Megan the Stallion that that was going to last. And I told you it wasn't going to last, Marvin.

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Speaker 5: I had hope for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't he rename his boat the ss Stallion. I do not know that I probably follow this a little too much, but Megan D. Stallion is really upset with Klay Thompson. It's not ending pretty there. Yes, Paul, I.

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Speaker 6: Hadn't heard about any of this.

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Speaker 3: This is wild.

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Speaker 2: I knew they were dating, Oh they were in love, but uh yeah, I think he named his boat now you can paint over that.

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Speaker 5: That's an easy fa Yeah.

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Speaker 3: With the next girl friend, you don't have to give up half the boat. Yeah, yes, Dylan.

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Speaker 11: If they were like tattoos boat names, You're like, well, I guess I'm either tattooing over this one. She actually she was doing a Moulin rouge I think on Broadway or something, and she tapped out early, So I think she's having a tough time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but she is aaron some dirty laundry you like to stay. We somehow make this smooth segue to Jamal Crawford. He gets along with everybody, and you went to weigh in on Megan v. Stallion and Klay Thompson.

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Speaker 7: Hey, the boat still has a cool name either way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but then people would be like, oh, what's a Stallion?

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Speaker 3: I mean then you have to answer.

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Speaker 2: It's now you can say, well, they call me the Stallion. You don't have to bring up Megan the.

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Speaker 13: Exactly if Dan Patrick about that story, I'm sure others things will.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I have to apologize, wow, because I dismissed your ball handling skills because I always looked at you as a scorer, right, and Marvin would send me videos of you playing in summer leagues or in NBA games, and I he jogged my memory, and I'm like, oh my god, you got handles that are probably amongst the top ten handles in NBA history.

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Speaker 7: So you believe me? So I should thank Marvin for what happened.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Mark.

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Speaker 13: Thank you, thank you for Dan knows about you know, Meg and Clay, but not about the handles.

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Speaker 3: Who has a better handle than you?

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Speaker 13: I won't say anybody has a better better handle than me, and I won't say I have a better handle than anybody, But there was a realm of people always gives at Thomas his credit because that's why I watched growing up. Kyrie Pistol pete white Chocolate. I think like Baron Davis has an underrated here handle this Steve Francis, a lot of guys like that Chaul.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Kyrie is given credit I think by most people having the best handles, certainly in traffic, which is really I want to see your handle in traffic. Anybody can dribble when they're out there by themselves.

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Speaker 7: So who's your top five handles? The better question?

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Speaker 2: Well, I did see Marribage play in person, and he was actually underrated. I think people forget just Pete was so far ahead of his time.

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Speaker 3: Did Magic have a great handle, Not in.

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Speaker 13: The traditional sense that we're talking about, like they can shake it. Magic was more angle speeds. He'll bump you who get the angle and he'll speed up, And that's where the showtime Magic was a hope movement. But it wasn't the handle part that I would remember most about him.

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Speaker 3: What about tim Hardaway, He.

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Speaker 13: Would be up there, the killer crossover, the U tap two step. His crossover was like it was right after Isaiah, So it was still like really in the box. What I mean by that is myself Iverson, we drive it outside of our shoulders. So we stayed outside the box. Hard Away, Isaiah Thomas, they stayed in the box. But Kyrie does a little bit of both, and that's what makes him ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting when you say in the box, because that's tight quarters, yes, and you're shaking somebody. And Timmy's I mean that crossover was killer. Now he would bump you a little bit off his off arm.

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Speaker 13: I saw that the summer at Hoops the gym, playing with him and Michael Jordan. He was at the heat at the time, I saw all the bumps and I was a young guy coming up, so we had some battles there.

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Speaker 3: Did Jordan have a good handle?

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Speaker 13: His handle was it was to him like he would surprise you at a crossover. But his footwork was so good that it made the handle better. So he got to a spot and then he up faked started doing his footwork. That's what made his handle special. But it wasn't like the handle, like we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: What was the scouting report on Jordan.

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Speaker 7: Don't make him mad? You heard don't make him mad? All personal. Everything's personal. You know that. Damn I was watching heard your voice you know that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that was it. Just don't make him mad.

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Speaker 7: Don't make him mad. I mean, he was just so possessed.

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Speaker 13: And we talked about talent, We talk about people that can shoot or can do this or that.

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Speaker 7: His competitive spirit.

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Speaker 13: Alone would have beat ninety nine percent of the players who ever played. Just how competitive he was and everything.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you worked with Wemby over the summer on his handle, Yep, Okay.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I did a couples ago, but he tried last summer and I couldn't. I was actually coaching, but yeah, we were connected for the future as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, are you going to work out with him this offseason?

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Speaker 13: I'm pretty sure what we'll lock in and get if he has time. I mean, if he wants this championship and goes on this run and goes home. But yeah, I'm sure in the future will work together.

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Speaker 2: But what are you working on specifically with Len Mignana.

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Speaker 13: Well, with him, a lot of it was was the handle, of course, but it was the footwork as well. And the footwork translates everywhere. If you at the top of the key with the handle, if you're in the mid post area, if you're by the block. Well, people don't really realize about handle is the ones who are really special with their handle, their footwork matches their handle. So we work on his footwork every single area. And I have to say he was He probably downloaded things the fastest. Like if I say something, He's like, got it, you can do it immediately. People I've worked with before it may take a couple of weeks, a couple of months. He could do it in five minutes. It was I've never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 3: But what does he need to add to his offensive game?

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Speaker 7: That's a great question.

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Speaker 13: At that time, I thought it was the mid post area because I thought where he was going in the playoffs. I thought, and I'll tell you this because you're I mean a legend, I'll tell you. But when he reached out to me, I reached out to Pop and I asked Pop like, hey, where do you see him going? Because I didn't want him doing my stuff and they don't want stuff if it wasn't going.

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Speaker 7: To fit in the Spurs system. All right.

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Speaker 13: I didn't want him up there rolling on the ground and doing that. So Pop was like, I want him in that Nail area. I want him that Dirk area because I know where we're going. You know, that's the area that's going to get him space and he'll be able to dominate. And so that was a huge focus as well. It's putting him in those areas. And we watched film. We watched film with a player we're going to kind of mimic that night for the second workout.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you think about guys who changed the game. You mentioned that Magic changed the game. I mean you can go back to probably Bob Kozy change the game. There's certain guys who change the game when they came along Steph Curry has changed the game absolutely. I don't know if did Michael change the game because he didn't have that signature like Steph changed. He had more of an impact on basketball than anybody, I think, because everybody thinks they can shoot threes now, nobody thought they could jump like Mike.

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Speaker 5: Be like Mike.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just curious the number because Wemby feels like he's going to change the game.

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Speaker 13: To answer the first part, Mike, to me didn't change the game in a way. He became above the game. It was almost like he transcended sport in a way where you wanted to be like be like Mike. I didn't care what she did, soccer, football, baseball, He inspired, boxing, whatever it was. He inspired except by Tyson when they ran into each other. But he inspired everybody else in every single thing. So he made you want to be better at whatever you did. So that was Mike. So he was a little bit above the game. Wemby always say this, he was the creative player that created players would create.

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Speaker 7: So for example, if Lebron.

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Speaker 13: And Katie were playing two K and like now with the seven three dudes seven to four dude who can shoot with handles who can run like a gazelle, like it would be Wimby. He's the one that they would create to play if they were just playing around the video.

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Speaker 3: Did Dirk Novinsky change the game?

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Speaker 13: He did from the standpoint of shooting, because at that point, for somebody that shot that good, it was like Larry Bird.

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Speaker 7: Sixty nine sixty ten. Dirk was.

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Speaker 13: Dirk's Championship run is really one of the great ones in recent memory. It was so underrated for what he did and how he did it, who he was going against with that great team and at that time, like Jason Terry as sixth man was probably his second best score, right, and then he just kind of put them on their back. And actually that was the person I show a video to Wimby when we're watching Dirk in that finals run. We're watching the areas he was dominating and how he was doing it. But yeah, Dirk changed the game in a small way. I don't think it'll get credit like Steph.

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Speaker 2: Will Yeah, and that mid range I mean, Kevin Durantz made a Hall of Fame career out of that mid range jumper. And it feels like and I always encourage players take it if they're giving it to you take it, and Durant has done that well.

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Speaker 13: Dan, if I tell you I'm gonna, I'm gonna drive to your studio and you're like, hey, the freeway is probably the quickest way, but right now it's a car accident, so it's backed up. I'm gonna get some streets to go through. I'm gonna go through the streets right now. The mid range is available because everybody's trying to take out threes and layups. It's like the jab in boxing. I think it keeps the defensive honest. Could you imagine if Shay couldn't play in the mid range or Michael Jordan or Lebron or KD And it's funny and the most important times of the season, in the playoffs, nobody talks about all that's a bad shot.

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Speaker 7: It's like, no move that scoreboard any way. You can.

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Speaker 13: The best players I've ever seen dominate the mid range because it's hard to double team there and you keep people so off balance with that shot.

00:26:56
Speaker 3: Talking to Jamal Crawford, I love talking to you.

00:26:59
Speaker 7: And why did it take so long? Yeah, you're giving Rads all of love right now.

00:27:03
Speaker 3: You're right, You're right, it's an open invite.

00:27:06
Speaker 2: And now that Marvin has let me know that I missed out on your handles, God, I cannot.

00:27:13
Speaker 3: I can't believe it.

00:27:14
Speaker 7: There's YouTube you can still go back.

00:27:16
Speaker 2: No, no, Marvin sends me videos. I'm being honest, Yes, Marv.

00:27:20
Speaker 4: The move against Kirk Heinrich is easily one of the five nastiest moves in the history of the NBA.

00:27:26
Speaker 13: Mar Marv, I'm gonna tell you this. I played with Kirk and Chicago when he kind of knew how my handle pattern would go, and I made that move up on the fly. I was literally coming down course saying what am I gonna do? What am I gonna do? And I did it, and I was like, what I do? And that's why you've never seen it again because I never mastered it. It was absolutely on accident. So I appreciate that.

00:27:45
Speaker 2: Why has it got to be against the white guy, Marvin, that you're gonna single that out?

00:27:48
Speaker 4: Oh man, I'm sorry. I mean he got Wes Matthews, he got Rey Allen. I mean he was an equal opportunity.

00:27:56
Speaker 13: Yeah, I was an eco opportunity ankle taker. I didn't care about that.

00:28:00
Speaker 2: Jason Williams had a that now that was a fun to handle everything about you know, and his ability to pass as well. When you factor that in, you can have a handle.

00:28:11
Speaker 3: But he was.

00:28:12
Speaker 2: He used his handle to create opportunities that felt like for his teammates, and he.

00:28:17
Speaker 13: Was so fun to watch, Like his entertainment value was just unbelievable, and he had a totally different skip in rhythm to his handle.

00:28:24
Speaker 7: I'll tell you a funny story.

00:28:25
Speaker 13: When I was a rookie, Chris Webber obviously was playing with sack at the time, and he knew I had to handle.

00:28:32
Speaker 7: It was in the layup line and Chris got Jason.

00:28:34
Speaker 13: Williams's attention, like, look look at Jamaal, and I'm like, almost age. I don't even know a combination I did, but I was trying to show Jay will that I had to handle as will and getting was approval.

00:28:43
Speaker 7: Yeah you can drive off.

00:28:44
Speaker 8: Yeah.

00:28:45
Speaker 7: I didn't even play that night, but I went home and told everybody Jay Wilson.

00:28:51
Speaker 2: I want to add this to NBA terminology. Shots discouraged. Okay, so Wemby, you know, he discourages a lot of shots. They should keep a stat of shots discouraged. And I mean maybe it's only a stat for Wemby because I love watching him play. But the number of shots that he discourages, not even blocks, but discourages from you even taking the shots, well, he scares you.

00:29:22
Speaker 13: He's almost like the big kid as a kid. You have to check his verth certificate to see if he's really that age. Like he's setting you up. He'll turn his back like, go ahead and shoot, No, I'm going to get it. He's like something I've never seen before. And what I figured out about him is working with him. He's a big, but he's really a tall guard like I thought I was a tall guard at six foot five, and then he saw guys like Durant McGrady who was taller than me, that can really handle the ball, and then he just took it out somewhere we never thought would take it. When you see him, Dan, what excites you about him?

00:29:52
Speaker 2: I just I looked at his touch, you know that when he shoots. I wanted to see form. I wanted to see rotation. I want to see touch. Obviously, the defensive stuff was there. When he first got to San Antonio, I said, you got to get him a point guard to put him in position.

00:30:12
Speaker 7: To score, right, right, we all did.

00:30:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it felt like he was he'd get down. You know when you see a deer, you know when it's born, and it's kind of kind of stumbling a little bit. He didn't know where to set up. And I kept thinking, he's already an A on the defensive end, but he was probably a B minus on the offensive end. And I said, boy, if he ever gets up to where he's going to be the best player in the sport, he'll be the face of the sport. And that's happening, maybe a little quicker than people thought, so.

00:30:44
Speaker 13: Much quicker in the way he thinks, Like the dinners we went to were even more impressive in the encore work, Like he read fifty books last year and he didn't even tell me that that, So that's a book a week that he read last year. Like he's a brilliant, brilliant young man. It feels like you're talking to somebody much older. But just the way he he's almost like we know the freaky stuff he does, but the role player type things he does, he's friends. Every single time he sprints it to a screen. If he doesn't get the ball, he's not mad, he's spritten. Back, he'll road for rotation like he's everything he does, it's like he plays with the energy.

00:31:15
Speaker 7: He's trying to make the team. Oh, by the way, it's crazy, it's crazy.

00:31:20
Speaker 2: But that's what the NBA should show at the Rookie seminar is that guy wants to play and be great every night.

00:31:28
Speaker 3: There's no load management.

00:31:30
Speaker 2: I mean, a blood clot stopped him, but not much else. You know, if he gets banged up a little bit, which he will, is a big man. But I love that he wants to play and he wants to be great. He wants to be the MVP. He wants to be the Defensive Player of the year.

00:31:47
Speaker 13: To be that young. Just take out the stuff he does, just to be that age. Most guys is just trying to establish himself. He's already so far down the road that he's like, no, I understand my responsibility to the game itself. We have to grow this game. We have to you know, make this game. Look at the USA versus the World game. He made that single handedly competitive again, to be competitive, like he understands the responsibility. I saw a picture of Joker the last time they played, and Joker went off and they won. But there was a picture of Joker kind of looking up at when he's smiling like, and I said, Joker feels like how we do when we watch him. This is the first time he's like really excitedly. Oh my, I have somebody to keep me engaged in the game, Like.

00:32:27
Speaker 3: Uh, what happens if the Pistons bowl out.

00:32:33
Speaker 13: I'm gonna be honest. I thought they were losing the first round. And I know Powell's the Seattle guy. I just did because I thought, once you put two on on Cad as good as he is, who else is going to consistently be able to be a playmaker consistently because you met all the playoffs they want to take out your first two options, Cade's gone. Who else can do it consistently to beat a team? And I wasn't sure they could do it in a playoff.

00:32:55
Speaker 2: Sevy has Peyton Pritchard played in your pro am league?

00:33:00
Speaker 13: He has not, and he's close by. He's in Oregon in the summer. So I tried to get it, but I think I gotta make it happen. I think if I just tell him you only get to shoot shots where the quarters about to end, I think that would.

00:33:11
Speaker 7: Excite him everything.

00:33:15
Speaker 2: I send Marvin summer league videos of Peyton Pritchard playing, and that's why this shouldn't be a surprise what he's doing with Boston, Like if you even in college. He was a great scorer in college. But I would send those videos to Marvin and Peyton Pritchard. He's he can be nasty.

00:33:38
Speaker 7: He absolutely can.

00:33:39
Speaker 13: You guys are you guys are changing notes now you're like, okay, here's cropper, let me show you this.

00:33:43
Speaker 7: I see what you did.

00:33:47
Speaker 13: Great because he hired some of his friends, right, and he hired them that play basketball, just the garden of the summer, all different sizes of guys six seven, okay, this guy is six two of this guy sixty four, and he had to figure it out so it slows the game down. For that was a brilliant way to train as well. So it makes sense why he's tough to guard.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, he hired very you know, friends of varying sizes to guard him.

00:34:10
Speaker 13: Yeah, and all they do is summer and he has to figure it out. Okay, this guy likes to do this. This guy does this, and it's a huge advantage because you're seeing people from different you know, athleticism, standpoints and everything else.

00:34:24
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00:34:40
Speaker 2: It's bringing Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback Senior NFL reporter. Are you reading into this the way I'm reading into this with they're worried about Matthew Stafford being upset or his feelings here?

00:34:54
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I think it's like part of it, Dan is just like the look at how this has gone historically, and like what Jimmy Garoppolo's arrival in New England in twenty sixteen did to the relationship with Tom Brady, what Jordan loves arrival in Green Bay in twenty twenty did to the relationship with.

00:35:16
Speaker 8: With Aaron Rodgers as actually twenty fourteen on Jimmy Garoppolo, not twenty sixteen, so you know, and even if you want to go way back what.

00:35:25
Speaker 10: Aaron rodgers arrival in Green Bay did to the relationship with Brett Farr in two thousand and five, or.

00:35:31
Speaker 2: You can go back to Denver with Tommy Maddocks and John Ilway or.

00:35:35
Speaker 10: Steve Young and Joe Montana and San Francisco. Right, Yeah, there's a lot of history, you know. So I think like the idea was, like, we need to be careful about the way we approach this, and you know, like ty Simpsons still.

00:35:50
Speaker 8: A rookie and when he comes in here, he's going to know that.

00:35:55
Speaker 10: And I mean, look like what's the like, what's the upside to just prioritizing making ty Simpson feel great? I mean, like you want him to feel good about going in the first round, don't get me wrong, But it's not like there's some sort of huge benefit long term ty Simpson is going to get from that, and there is, you know, some downside in it, and like, you know how that might make Matthew Stafford feel So you're sensitive to all of that.

00:36:24
Speaker 8: It's a delicate thing.

00:36:25
Speaker 10: And as other people have said too, I mean, this is ostensibly taking McKay lemon or Omar Cooper or Kenyan Sadik out of the equation for Matthew Stafford as well. And that's something that people sometimes don't realize about these sorts of situations. I mean, the Packers hadn't drafted a receiver in the first round since two thousand and four, when they took Jordan Love in the first round twenty twenty, And of course Aaron Rodgers is sitting there saying, wait a minute. So I've been here for fifteen years and you took another quarterback in the first round before you ever took a receiver. You know, that sort of nuance that I think plays into it as well. And ty Simpson is going to be fine coming out of this, you know. I don't think any feelings are hurt. I think he'll be okay. I think the relationship between coach and player generally goes way beyond what you might see on TV, as it should.

00:37:17
Speaker 3: But I'm wondering who were the Rams in competition with that?

00:37:21
Speaker 2: You?

00:37:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, could you have traded down though, Albert?

00:37:24
Speaker 8: Yeah?

00:37:25
Speaker 10: So I think there are a couple of things at work here, Like, you know, I think number one, you know, you're right, Like, I don't think anybody would have taken him in the first round. I think there's some degree This is part of the cost of This is part of the cost of trading the twenty ninth pick for Trent McDuffie, which then they get a very very much now a win now player in an all pro corner who you can plug right in and you don't need to worry about him acclimating to the pros the way you would with a rookie. But you know, if they had wound up holding onto that pick, Mike Yes would be we'd probably be talking about mackay Lemon or Omar Cooper.

00:38:04
Speaker 8: And then and then and then and then.

00:38:07
Speaker 10: Ty Simpson as the twenty ninth pick as part of this equation. You know, the issue really was there was that gap between thirteen and sixty one and how do you navigate that? And I think as you continue to talk about it, this is where you you talk yourself into if we like him that much, we should just shouldn't risk him, Like if we view him as having the potential to be, you know, a Drew Brees type of rhythm and timing passer and somebody who's such a good fit for what we do, and somebody who you know, on tape, we could see him doing so many of the things that we're going to ask him to do, which is exactly what Sean McVay and his staff saw.

00:38:44
Speaker 8: Then just take him. Because here's the thing.

00:38:46
Speaker 10: At that position, and you know as well as I do, this becomes a yes or no question.

00:38:52
Speaker 8: Either yes, you got it right, and.

00:38:54
Speaker 10: You're extending him four years from now and my god, that was a great investment of the thirty teenth pick, or he's on another team in the picks a complete disaster, you know what I mean. Like, so at that position, it is such a yes or no thing. I think that that's what pushes teams to take quarterbacks in the first round, even when they know other teams might not feel the same way about the player. And if you look at it, the history shows us and this is over. I mean, I've got a chart in my computer. There's a twenty six year sample going all the way back to the year two thousand, where there are more quarterbacks, far more quarterbacks taken in the first round, then the second and third rounds combined. I think the number is like seventy six in the first round, seventy seven in the first round versus like I think fifty nine or fifty nine or sixty and the second and third rounds come by.

00:39:44
Speaker 8: Well, why is that?

00:39:46
Speaker 10: That's because if you view a guy as being capable of being your long term starter at that position, you're just gonna take them in the first round, and if you don't, you're going to seek that type of player at another position in the second or third round.

00:39:58
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel came back Utah out there with marriage counseling or I think his wife went with him. Uh, But coming back to the Patriots, how big a story is this in the New England or Boston area with him coming back?

00:40:14
Speaker 3: Now, I know it's I know it's global. It's huge.

00:40:17
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say it's massive.

00:40:20
Speaker 7: You know.

00:40:20
Speaker 10: I think that this is sort of, you know, not to turn this into a media discussion, but I think this is sort of a cross the rubicon and it's not an NFL story anymore. It's like a celebrity gossip story which leads to the scenes that we all saw in the Salt Lake City Airport, you know, with TMC people following you around and people staking you out and all.

00:40:39
Speaker 8: That different stuff.

00:40:39
Speaker 10: And I think the unfortunate thing about this, for for Mike Frarival and Diana Orsini is that the public is basically going to determine how how much longer this goes. You know, it's basically up to everybody, you know, and when they open their social media apps and they click on stories, it's gonna you know, I think, like how far this keeps going is going to be determined by how long the public you know, winds you know, it, remains engaged with it. I think that's how you know, the TMZ people dot com page six, that's how they operate, you know. So I think this follows Mike around for a while, you know. And my guess would be that you'll probably see hints of it during the schedule release in a couple of weeks, with the way that the teams all make fun of each other, you know, during the schedule release, and you'll see it when they walk into any other stadium in the summer for preseason games.

00:41:35
Speaker 2: And then in the fall, you think teams are gonna mock Rabel and the Patriots in their schedule release.

00:41:41
Speaker 8: Well, you know what's interesting about that.

00:41:43
Speaker 10: I mean, you've seen what the Chargers do every year, right, Like, it's like nothing's out of bounds with the Chargers, right, So my guess would be they will, and if they don't, then there's gonna be a story that they didn't. It's gonna be a story, like everybody does someone tell them to shut up? You know what I mean?

00:42:00
Speaker 8: Because it does feel like with these schedule release videoes.

00:42:02
Speaker 10: I don't know how many of them consume, but it does feel like to me, like almost nothing's out of downs. So you know, I would think that this would be kind of well, they brought.

00:42:11
Speaker 2: Up a Spotify playlist right of hers that was rumored to be or reportedly for Mike Vrabel going through a losing streak in Tennessee or something.

00:42:24
Speaker 10: Right, So, like, do the Chargers have like when the and the Chargers up in their schedule, do they have like someone holding a phone with a playlist on it or something like that? The references are going to keep coming, you know what I mean. Like, That's what I'm saying, is like that the music they play in the stadium when when the Patriots are in town, they're gonna be constant references.

00:42:44
Speaker 2: There'll be somebody holding hands, There'll be two people maybe holding hands or something like that.

00:42:50
Speaker 10: Right, It's like the Coldplay thing, right, Like I'm you know what I mean, Like it was how often was that referenced?

00:42:56
Speaker 8: You know what I mean? Like, And I think that that's that's interesting.

00:43:00
Speaker 10: Thing about it is like I I mean almost like I look at this like it kind of like makes me like think about how I trade some of those other situations. It's like, you know, everybody had their fun in the Coldplay situation. Those are private citizens, you know what I mean, Like in like now are we hands off with this? Because you know, we know the people. I you know, I know both of them, and you know, I really like, like I've really like I think they're both good people deep down, and like I I hope that they get their personal situations sorted out one way or the other. But I I'll definitely approach it differently because I know the people, but I know there are other people on the outside that won't, you know. And that's I think how it follows the patriots around you.

00:43:39
Speaker 2: Sa Albert Breer the Monday morning quarterback, Yeah, and then Rabel taking off that last day. Why did he skip out on the final rounds there?

00:43:49
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I think that like some of that is you know, I'd imagine that if you're in that situation, you know, with your with your wife, with your kids like that, you know, you want to show that you're committed to to to trying to fix it and in whatever way, whatever way you best can.

00:44:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it felt pr spin to me.

00:44:10
Speaker 10: And it might have been Yeah, and I wouldn't and I wouldn't rule that that out as a possibility as part of it.

00:44:17
Speaker 3: Look, if you need therapy, go now, don't wait until I just know.

00:44:22
Speaker 10: I mean, Dan, have you ever been in a situation with your wife where she says, no, we're doing this right now.

00:44:28
Speaker 8: And that there's like nothing you can say.

00:44:30
Speaker 10: Yeah, maybe it's as simple as that, you know what I mean, Like maybe like if you screw up something, not something like this magnitude, but you screw up something and then your wife maybe says to you, like, hey, you're gonna put that other stuff you're doing, Like, we're gonna go take care of this now.

00:44:45
Speaker 3: It might be like an oil change nothing like you know, just with Rabel.

00:44:49
Speaker 10: Like you just I mean, like this is a normal human You're just like okay, Like she's serious, I'm gonna go, you know, Like.

00:44:56
Speaker 2: The Brendan Sworsby, Texas Tech quarterback he's in rehab now for gambling.

00:45:04
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are his options? Pro NFL was.

00:45:08
Speaker 8: So I've dug into this a little bit like so.

00:45:12
Speaker 10: And talk to some people I know and respect in the college level, some reporters who you know, Pat Forty, Pete Thamil and buddies with and then like some people I know in the college football world, and you.

00:45:25
Speaker 8: Know what, I what I've gotten back.

00:45:26
Speaker 10: Pretty consistently is it seems as if this is cut and dry and he's going to lose his eligibility, and then the question becomes, okay, like does he go to court? And so I talked to some lawyers about, Okay, if he goes to court, could he get an injunction so he could play while it's in court. And what I've gotten back from the lawyers I've talked to is that he's really unlikely to get an injunction because this is such a clear rules violation. In other words, to get an injunction, you've got to prove that you've got a reasonable chance of winning. And like, because this is so cut and dry, there's a good chance be denied an injunction, you know.

00:46:02
Speaker 8: And so if you're looking at this and your.

00:46:04
Speaker 10: Hymn and it's like, Okay, there's maybe a very small chance I, you know, I wind up gat my eligibility back, and maybe you're just chasing the money at that point. Like what I heard was you know again like I heard that the nil somewhere around six million, with a million of that going back to Cincinnati as as some sort of buyout. I don't know exactly how all that stuff works, but you know, are you chasing that five million dollars called five million dollars? Or is the better plan for you now just to go to the NFL and you know, the supplemental Draft.

00:46:37
Speaker 8: The NFL can determine whether or not he's eligible.

00:46:39
Speaker 10: But I mean over the years, they've let guys in who you know, were in eligible Frenzya reasons, that's Trell Pror we've seen them let guys in who were you who are in eligible you know, to play because for drug reasons, right, and that was Josh Gordon. We've seen a ton of these situations with academic ineligibility in the past, and so like like the trouble the NFL will get into in denying him entry and this is so thorny for them because of you know, the business that they do with all the gambling companies is essentially they're a trade association. So can a trade association deny employment to a guy or do they have to let the companies make that determination.

00:47:20
Speaker 8: The companies in this case would be the teams.

00:47:22
Speaker 7: Right.

00:47:24
Speaker 10: And then if you're one of these teams, right, So I'll give you four teams that have kept the powder dry on really going all in on a quarterback in anticipation of next year. And what could it be available with your Dante More, your your CJ. Car your arch Manning, all of those guys, right, says the Jets, the Cardinals, the Browns, and the Dolphins. Those four of kind of those four of I think left themselves open the possibility they take one high next year. If you're one of those teams, do you look at and say, let's just throw a second round pick at this?

00:47:57
Speaker 7: You know?

00:47:58
Speaker 10: Do you say, I mean, I've heard this guy's talent like and I haven't Yeah, I haven't dug into it, but I've talked to a few guys who say this guy's got like real top of the first round ability, right, So do you throw a second round pick at him at this?

00:48:12
Speaker 8: And say?

00:48:13
Speaker 3: Yeah?

00:48:14
Speaker 10: And you know, like if it doesn't work, we just go back into the first round next year. And then I you know, you start to kind of like dig deeper and It's like if you're a Pittsburgh or Minnesota where you say, we're going to be at the bottom of the first round next year and we're not gonna have a shot at like.

00:48:30
Speaker 8: A Manning or a or a or a More or a car.

00:48:35
Speaker 10: Do we throw a first round pick at this on the premise that it's going to be a low first round pick. I mean, it's such a fascinating case and we'll see what happens.

00:48:43
Speaker 8: The gambling thing is obviously a part of it.

00:48:46
Speaker 10: Does the NFL let him in and do the Torell Prior thing where they impose.

00:48:50
Speaker 8: A suspension on them?

00:48:51
Speaker 10: It's just it's there's a lot to dig into here, and a huge part of it is I think the talent that this kid is, and I know that there are some NFL people that feel like just from a physical ability standpoint.

00:49:04
Speaker 8: He has top of the first round talent.

00:49:06
Speaker 2: Final thirty seconds, I'm federally mandated to ask you about Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, is there anything that's changed in his status?

00:49:14
Speaker 8: I don't think so.

00:49:15
Speaker 10: I mean, this is what so this has got less attention last year, but these UFA tenders went to went to JK.

00:49:20
Speaker 8: Dobbins.

00:49:21
Speaker 10: The Chargers put a UFA tender on him last year at this point, and the Browns did it with Elijah Moore. Those guys signed with different teams, but basically what that did was that protected those teams' rights to get comppicks for those guys if they signed somewhere else, which both of them did, but both of them neither of those guys did enough to get compicks for those teams in the back end. And then once you get to camp, it makes it so if another team's going to get that player, you have to sign them and trade them. And so it basically sets it up so the Steelers could get a return for him if he winds up playing anywhere else next year. Now do I think the Steelers are doing that without a prising of it, the prising him of it?

00:50:04
Speaker 8: I don't, you know.

00:50:06
Speaker 10: I think the communication has been good between you know, team and player, and you know, my guess would be like he I think he comes back, but I don't.

00:50:14
Speaker 8: I don't know for sure.

00:50:15
Speaker 10: The Steelers don't know for sure, and I think this is just a mechanism that they can use to protect themselves in the case that he decides he wants to come back and play for somebody else. But but I would say, like right now, if he's going to play anywhere, it'd probably be Pittsburgh.

00:50:30
Speaker 8: Thank you, Albert, you got it. Thanks Dan, that's Albert Breer.