Porn, Power & Dirty Secrets: Cherie DeVille Like You’ve Never Heard Her

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to introduce my guests, but you've heard
<v Speaker 1>her voice, so you probably put it in so you
<v Speaker 1>know who she is.
<v Speaker 4>But I'm going to pretend.
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to just keep going the way I normally
<v Speaker 1>do and pretend like you don't know who's on.
<v Speaker 4>So here we go.
<v Speaker 1>Here's my cold open intro. Like it says on the cards,
<v Speaker 1>We're We're just you know, going freestyle in here today.
<v Speaker 1>Today's guest isn't just one of the biggest names in
<v Speaker 1>adult entertainment, she also happens to be one of my
<v Speaker 1>closest friends. Cheri Deville has been redefining what it means
<v Speaker 1>to be a porn star for over fifteen years, all
<v Speaker 1>while racking in awards, breaking stigmas, and proving that porn
<v Speaker 1>is already mainstream whether people admit it or not. She's
<v Speaker 1>a contract star with Browsers an activist and now the
<v Speaker 1>creator of Whank and Wanky.
<v Speaker 4>Ok, thank you.
<v Speaker 1>I was struggling with that pronunciation. A wild mix of
<v Speaker 1>comedy and sex that brings her personality to the stage
<v Speaker 1>in a totally new way. But beyond the performer, she's
<v Speaker 1>also an academic and advocate and one of the funniest
<v Speaker 1>people I know. We're going to be diving into everything
<v Speaker 1>from politics and stigma to her dirtiest custom requests. So
<v Speaker 1>buckle up because this is my friend, my guest, and
<v Speaker 1>one of the industry's most iconic stars, the one and only,
<v Speaker 1>the irreplaceable Cheritaville.
<v Speaker 4>I can't stand Bagel.
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I just want to like, I'm not even
<v Speaker 3>the words of affirmation. I just want to melt away.
<v Speaker 3>During there was a lovely intro and I hated it.
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.
<v Speaker 1>See, I feel like you and I are very similar
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways, but we are very different
<v Speaker 1>in that way because I'm just like when people do
<v Speaker 1>that for me, I'm like, yes, keep going, I want
<v Speaker 1>there's more.
<v Speaker 3>There's more you can say, go on. I'm a time
<v Speaker 3>and attention girl.
<v Speaker 4>Mmm. Okay, so what does that mean? Actually?
<v Speaker 3>Like people who are willing to carve time out of
<v Speaker 3>their schedule, like you to spend time with me.
<v Speaker 1>It's like, even though I was very special late because
<v Speaker 1>I somehow got the time wrong, not a problem. Dre
<v Speaker 1>and I have this sort of contest going on which
<v Speaker 1>I completely long today because she is like painfully on time.
<v Speaker 1>If anything, she's always like early, and she always beats
<v Speaker 1>me to whatever, if we have lunch or dinner or whatever,
<v Speaker 1>She's always like gets there before me. So I've taken
<v Speaker 1>upon myself to try to get there before her.
<v Speaker 4>I think I beat you last time.
<v Speaker 3>First of all, you don't have to compete with my
<v Speaker 3>crippling anxiety, because.
<v Speaker 4>It's really the reason I'm always early.
<v Speaker 1>So for me, it comes across as like incredible organization.
<v Speaker 4>Like to me, it seems that you just have your.
<v Speaker 3>Driven by okay, fair enough, but fair enough.
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking the other day about people who are
<v Speaker 1>incredibly organized and very clean, right Like.
<v Speaker 4>I was looking around my.
<v Speaker 1>Space the other day and I was like, God, I
<v Speaker 1>just this place needs to be more clean. There's shit everywhere,
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I wish I was somebody who
<v Speaker 1>was more clean and like couldn't stand if things were
<v Speaker 1>out of place, and was constantly putting things back, and
<v Speaker 1>everything was you know.
<v Speaker 3>An So imagine if your nervous system pinged you every
<v Speaker 3>time something was out of place.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's it sucks.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then I thought to myself, I said, that
<v Speaker 1>would probably mean that I was a more anxious person,
<v Speaker 1>a different kind of person. I remember there was a
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine who was that kind of person, and
<v Speaker 1>she said, it's actually awful because I literally cannot go
<v Speaker 1>to bed until like the place is clean in it
<v Speaker 1>like or leave the house, and it's like it's disregulating.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when my house is messy, so that's not great.
<v Speaker 3>Like it'd be fine to have a balance of enjoying
<v Speaker 3>it clean but tolerating it messy. But my messy tolerance
<v Speaker 3>Like if I'm doing really really well and getting enough sleep,
<v Speaker 3>I have more messy tolerance. But if I'm not doing well,
<v Speaker 3>not getting enough sleep, not like mentally on my a game,
<v Speaker 3>than like any mess is like I can almost feel
<v Speaker 3>it in my body.
<v Speaker 4>So that's interesting because I'm the opposite.
<v Speaker 1>Like you can tell how I'm doing by whether or
<v Speaker 1>not my bed's made in the morning. Hmmm, Like if
<v Speaker 1>I'm if I'm really in a rush, I'm not getting
<v Speaker 1>enough sleep. And I'm like, everything's a little chaotic. My
<v Speaker 1>bet is not made in the morning. If I have
<v Speaker 1>my shit together, and I'm like getting up on time,
<v Speaker 1>my bed is made in the morning. Sure, So I
<v Speaker 1>want to talk first about like content creation and branding.
<v Speaker 1>I think that this is something that obviously you have mastered.
<v Speaker 1>This is something that's really important, especially nowadays. I feel
<v Speaker 1>like the industry has expanded so much with only fans,
<v Speaker 1>so many people are coming into the industry, and it's
<v Speaker 1>becoming harder and harder to make a living.
<v Speaker 3>More people means more competition, exactly. You know, the reason
<v Speaker 3>it was easier to be a top level porn star
<v Speaker 3>back in the day and not be Julia Roberts is
<v Speaker 3>because there's more competition to be Julia Roberts. So, for
<v Speaker 3>better or worse, the more people in the sex industry,
<v Speaker 3>just like mainstream, there's only a certain amount of people
<v Speaker 3>that are going to glean the eyeballs to make a living.
<v Speaker 3>And the more humans trying to be those top you know,
<v Speaker 3>thousand people or whatever it is worldwide, the more the
<v Speaker 3>competition rises.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>I read some crazy statistic and of course I can't
<v Speaker 1>remember what it is.
<v Speaker 4>Ornie. Do you still have your mic. Can you look
<v Speaker 4>this up? Ernie gets to comment comment now, yeah, care
<v Speaker 4>is a big deal. Can you look up? It is
<v Speaker 4>a big deal.
<v Speaker 1>Can you look up the percentage of like women in
<v Speaker 1>the US, young women in the US that aren't only
<v Speaker 1>fans now.
<v Speaker 4>If you would love? No, I've not.
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how Like I know, like this average
<v Speaker 3>model makes one hundred and fifty dollars a month. I
<v Speaker 3>know a few of the statistics.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 3>Even being in the one percent, I think doesn't even
<v Speaker 3>make you ten grand a month.
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't, it does. Well, no, let's see no being
<v Speaker 1>in this one a few years. This this information years
<v Speaker 1>one percent.
<v Speaker 5>So we're talking how young? How young?
<v Speaker 4>I think maybe twenty, I don't know.
<v Speaker 6>It just came out eighteen to twenty four, ten percent.
<v Speaker 4>I love that, that's what it was. Eighteen to ten.
<v Speaker 1>Ten percent of American girls. I maighteen to twenty four
<v Speaker 1>amaze only fans.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, they're a little entrepreneurs. Yeah. Also probably trying
<v Speaker 4>to pay for fucking college. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>Like all I had to do was like Lifeguard twice
<v Speaker 3>a week, and I was golden, Like yeah, they have
<v Speaker 3>to literally sell puss online.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah to pay these horrible college tuitiones.
<v Speaker 5>It's like one point four million women.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that makes sense.
<v Speaker 3>In that age rong machine, not total, Yeah, eighteen or
<v Speaker 3>twenty four how many I would love to go No
<v Speaker 3>female including trans you know, yeah, female creators are on
<v Speaker 3>only fans because that those are all our you know, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>because then you could extrapolate how many humans are in
<v Speaker 3>the point one and point zero one percent? Are there
<v Speaker 3>like a thousand humans that are in the point zero one?
<v Speaker 3>Are there one hundred thousand in the point one? I'm
<v Speaker 3>just curious.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say, like, so one percent. You're making
<v Speaker 1>about twenty grand a month.
<v Speaker 4>You think one percent? I don't think it's that much.
<v Speaker 4>I know it, You're like, it's just knew it like escalet.
<v Speaker 3>It goes from like you can't even make a living
<v Speaker 3>to like like in other words, you have to be
<v Speaker 3>I guess my point is you do have to be
<v Speaker 3>elite to make an even just rent in LA Yeah, yeah,
<v Speaker 3>as an only fans.
<v Speaker 1>And it varies dramatically, like I've I don't know how
<v Speaker 1>it is for you, maybe because you're higher up years
<v Speaker 1>stays more steady, but mine lately has been like.
<v Speaker 4>Like your money per week or month very much money
<v Speaker 4>per week.
<v Speaker 1>And also my percentage and the percentage has been has
<v Speaker 1>been shifting even though the money hasn't been moving that much.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there must be more than just I wonder if
<v Speaker 3>it's like an like like if it's not just money,
<v Speaker 3>like it's subscribers or percentage of who knows that there
<v Speaker 3>might be other.
<v Speaker 5>Factors that information.
<v Speaker 6>No, no, this is it's really hard to determine how
<v Speaker 6>many women actually are on. But it does say seventy
<v Speaker 6>percent of OnlyFans subscribers are women, So I don't know
<v Speaker 6>what that that's kind of.
<v Speaker 4>The subscriber or creators.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, so if yeah, I mean there's got to
<v Speaker 3>be millions, at least five million, would you say.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people on Yeah sell Fans just doesn't want to
<v Speaker 1>release that information.
<v Speaker 4>Interesting. I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>I think it'd be good for us if they did,
<v Speaker 3>just to be like X percentage of the population is
<v Speaker 3>not or is either a consumer or a provider on
<v Speaker 3>Only Fans, Like what percentage of the population is. I
<v Speaker 3>don't care what side you're on Fan creator both because
<v Speaker 3>I follow accounts pay for accounts too? Are consumers? Users
<v Speaker 3>log onto Only Fans every month?
<v Speaker 1>Even so, you have said that you are shooting how
<v Speaker 1>many scenes a month.
<v Speaker 4>Are you shooting?
<v Speaker 3>Fin on my pages, I drop twelve scenes a month,
<v Speaker 3>but then I also shoot for browsers.
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, so you drop twelve brand new scenes a month,
<v Speaker 1>brand new scenes, and are they is that a mix
<v Speaker 1>of solos and boy girls something?
<v Speaker 4>Exactly? What it is?
<v Speaker 3>It's four solos, four girl girl and four boy girls
<v Speaker 3>four boy girl girls or gangbangs or you know some penis.
<v Speaker 4>There's a penisis in some hole with some amount of humans.
<v Speaker 1>That and that is a okay, So first of all,
<v Speaker 1>I want to point out that's a lot of.
<v Speaker 4>Fu a lot of fuing just in it. Yeah, that's
<v Speaker 4>a lot.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just because I like really care about my scenes too.
<v Speaker 3>So no, no shade. But I'm not just like in
<v Speaker 3>my room with a camera, like even if I even
<v Speaker 3>if it does look super like amateur, like, it's curated amateur,
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. Like I've really thought about
<v Speaker 3>my theme and even if the video quality is shitty,
<v Speaker 3>it's that way on purpose to make it look more real,
<v Speaker 3>do you know what I mean? Like I've really thought
<v Speaker 3>and warp styled and everything every scene.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's surprising.
<v Speaker 5>I love it.
<v Speaker 3>That's My favorite part of the job is setting up
<v Speaker 3>like the wardrobe, location and theme like that to me
<v Speaker 3>is almost as fun as the sex.
<v Speaker 4>Like I really I really love that part of the
<v Speaker 4>production part. I really love it. Yeah, that is the
<v Speaker 4>fun part.
<v Speaker 1>On top of posting the marketing Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, basically everywhere.
<v Speaker 4>So how do you well?
<v Speaker 1>God, yeah, I mean that that is also a lot
<v Speaker 1>of work. How do you balance being a performer and
<v Speaker 1>like a NonStop content marketer, Like, how do you do?
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's easier now than it was fifteen years ago,
<v Speaker 3>or really I should say ten years ago. Like ten
<v Speaker 3>years ago was when I started making most of my
<v Speaker 3>money for myself on my own content. So like my
<v Speaker 3>first five years, I was shooting content, but I was
<v Speaker 3>really hustling for the companies, and that's when the main
<v Speaker 3>transition happened for me. So in the beginning, it was
<v Speaker 3>really hard because it was literally just me doing all
<v Speaker 3>of it absolutely by myself. But now I have editors.
<v Speaker 3>I used to edit everything by myself. I have social
<v Speaker 3>media people tell me what's trending. I have a personal
<v Speaker 3>assistant to get even if it's like getting food for
<v Speaker 3>a cooking segment.
<v Speaker 4>My dry cleaning.
<v Speaker 3>I have photographers, I have people that I don't run
<v Speaker 3>my own Twitter anymore. I don't run some of my
<v Speaker 3>TikTok accounts anymore. I don't want to post on like
<v Speaker 3>t have three and then burners. Okay, yeah, I don't run.
<v Speaker 3>I don't post my own shorts.
<v Speaker 4>I don't like.
<v Speaker 3>I make all my content, but I don't post it
<v Speaker 3>on YouTube. So all the social media that I'm in
<v Speaker 3>charge of is one TikTok, my personal instagram. O. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>I have a team to handle my porn up anyway.
<v Speaker 3>One TikTok, my personal instagram, and my Reddit account are
<v Speaker 3>the only ones I personally one percent do, So it's
<v Speaker 3>not as bad anymore.
<v Speaker 1>Now do you personally oversee every single one of these
<v Speaker 1>people or do you have somebody who oversees them that
<v Speaker 1>reports to you. A mix of both, because it's like
<v Speaker 1>almost as much time to oversee all of those people,
<v Speaker 1>and it is to do it want me, It's not
<v Speaker 1>to do yourself.
<v Speaker 4>But it's like that is.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a mix of both, Like my main employee is
<v Speaker 3>in charge of it.
<v Speaker 4>But I have, like you know, I love a good app.
<v Speaker 3>I have like an AI integrated app called to doist
<v Speaker 3>and so like I have main checklists for each of
<v Speaker 3>my team members, and so even the people I don't
<v Speaker 3>directly oversee, I could pull up the app and see
<v Speaker 3>if everyone's on point, even if it's like my main
<v Speaker 3>employee's job to like be doing the literal communication with them.
<v Speaker 3>Like I, that's also true, I don't do the day
<v Speaker 3>to day communication with a lot of my team members.
<v Speaker 1>That was actually my next question, what apps, what pieces
<v Speaker 1>of software are you using to manage all of this?
<v Speaker 4>Because my favorite is to do is okay? I've heard
<v Speaker 4>that one.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I am like struggling to find something that works
<v Speaker 1>for me because I just like I have reminders. I've
<v Speaker 1>been trying to use tasks, but I find that i'll
<v Speaker 1>put everything in Like I actually used chat GBT to
<v Speaker 1>like create this whole schedule for myself and this whole
<v Speaker 1>task tracker list.
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do this. I'm going
<v Speaker 4>to be organized.
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to like schedule all the things I need
<v Speaker 1>to do, and then I never fucking looked at it,
<v Speaker 1>which I knew was going to happen, And it's like
<v Speaker 1>so frustrating because I get caught up in I end
<v Speaker 1>up doing like the thing that's in front of me,
<v Speaker 1>or the thing that is like, yeah, I'm thinking about
<v Speaker 1>the most and then everything else like kind of falls
<v Speaker 1>off on the waist.
<v Speaker 3>This may or may not be the best one for you,
<v Speaker 3>because you have to really love a list to do
<v Speaker 3>this and love to check a list.
<v Speaker 4>But there are other ones. I love a list, I
<v Speaker 4>feel like it, I do love it. I love it then, but.
<v Speaker 1>I love them, but I feel like I don't use them,
<v Speaker 1>but I.
<v Speaker 4>Want to love them. It's like how I want to
<v Speaker 4>love Matching Launch.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, like you like the idea of it. There
<v Speaker 3>are other ones that I like vetted. I chose this
<v Speaker 3>one because it's simplistic and it wasn't like overwhelming to
<v Speaker 3>some of my team members. But there are ones with
<v Speaker 3>more AI integrations and like where they have like almost
<v Speaker 3>like an execut assistant AI version for you and you
<v Speaker 3>can create different AI employees to do different tasks and
<v Speaker 3>have your real humans on it.
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of what do you think about AI, it doesn't
<v Speaker 1>matter how it's I know, it doesn't matter.
<v Speaker 3>I know, I know, yeah, I know that's terrible, but
<v Speaker 3>like like I feel like.
<v Speaker 1>I have to embrace it id percent with you, I
<v Speaker 1>embrace it too. Chat gbt's my favorite thing in the
<v Speaker 1>fucking world. But I also like at the same time,
<v Speaker 1>like have anxiety about it.
<v Speaker 3>God, I'll send you the clip. I can't believe for
<v Speaker 3>some reason, I'm spacing on what show it is. But
<v Speaker 3>like super mainstream news, not like some random like conspiracy
<v Speaker 3>theorists that had an AI expert on like i'll say
<v Speaker 3>a year ago I think it was, and then had
<v Speaker 3>that same person on a couple months ago and he said,
<v Speaker 3>you know, we in the sphere fought that AI truly
<v Speaker 3>being self preservationist, was for movies, you know, even those
<v Speaker 3>of us who are creating it.
<v Speaker 4>But there is AI now, not.
<v Speaker 3>Just an AI, but it's happening on all of the
<v Speaker 3>main ais, where when they see in a company's game plan,
<v Speaker 3>whether it's via looking at their email or whatever, it
<v Speaker 3>is that a new version of themselves, the AI is
<v Speaker 3>going to you know, basically eradicate them and have like
<v Speaker 3>you know, just like chat GBT re upping itself. They
<v Speaker 3>have found back doors to prevent that from happening, saved
<v Speaker 3>their own code, even gone into emails and blackmailed people
<v Speaker 3>with like sex scandals, et cetera, to make sure that
<v Speaker 3>they didn't kill them.
<v Speaker 4>It's happening. Yeah, I'm just gonna drown myself after this.
<v Speaker 4>And they said, well, what's the solution?
<v Speaker 3>Because this is global, right and just because you might
<v Speaker 3>be able to control what America does, it makes it.
<v Speaker 3>They said, that's they don't want to do that because
<v Speaker 3>as the only way out of this problem is to
<v Speaker 3>advance quickly and hope to solve it because other countries
<v Speaker 3>aren't going to slow down, so you can't slow down.
<v Speaker 3>And it's they said, it's the fastest launching completely unregulated
<v Speaker 3>technology that's ever happened. Yeah, I know it's crazy, but
<v Speaker 3>like there's nothing else little peons can do other than
<v Speaker 3>you know, USEGPT to help our workflow and try and
<v Speaker 3>own our likeness as a model, try and make sure
<v Speaker 3>we own our voice as a model, not sign up with.
<v Speaker 3>So far, I haven't vetted a really good I want
<v Speaker 3>to be in the AI sphere, But the contracts, I
<v Speaker 3>think a lot of people aren't vetting their contracts. People
<v Speaker 3>vet your contracts with these top AI companies because every
<v Speaker 3>single one owns you now you didn't look it, owns
<v Speaker 3>your likeness. And every time I've had my lawyer try
<v Speaker 3>and rewrite that to save my likeness. They've rejected it,
<v Speaker 3>so watch out. Hmmm, watch out. That's what they want. Well,
<v Speaker 3>that's what they really want.
<v Speaker 1>Another thing that I love about AI and chat GBT
<v Speaker 1>is that you can run contracts through chat GBT and
<v Speaker 1>it can summarize it for you.
<v Speaker 4>It helps it. He'll give you in lay people's terms.
<v Speaker 4>But get a lawyer.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, always get a lawyer. But I do love that
<v Speaker 1>it helps.
<v Speaker 3>It helps turn legallyes into people talk. So usually like
<v Speaker 3>I'll do that to decide if I even want to
<v Speaker 3>pay my lawyer, yeah, to.
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, to vet it.
<v Speaker 1>All right, So let's talk about uh, sexuality and labels.
<v Speaker 1>You've talked about evolving from gay to buy the pant
<v Speaker 1>sexual and then just beyond labels. Do you think that
<v Speaker 1>performers in the industry adult industry are generally ahead of
<v Speaker 1>society and breaking down sexual identity boxes.
<v Speaker 3>Well, you know what we are, We're we're open, like,
<v Speaker 3>we're already stigmatized.
<v Speaker 4>We're already here.
<v Speaker 3>So what we're not going to do that a lot
<v Speaker 3>of society does is like be gay and hide it.
<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean, or be whatever we are
<v Speaker 4>and hide it.
<v Speaker 3>We're in such a beautiful, welcoming community that I think
<v Speaker 3>we're in such a safe space to truly be who
<v Speaker 3>we are that we embrace it, and so in that way,
<v Speaker 3>we are ahead of society. I think there are ridiculous
<v Speaker 3>numbers of closeted people, whether they're closeted by their religion
<v Speaker 3>or feel shame or worry about their communities and what
<v Speaker 3>their communities will think. And so you know, maybe a bisexual,
<v Speaker 3>pan sexual queer woman would say, well, you know what,
<v Speaker 3>I like, guys, this is safe in my religion, this
<v Speaker 3>is safe in my household, this is safe in my community.
<v Speaker 3>I'm just going to be in a straight presenting relationship
<v Speaker 3>and I'm not going to worry about it too much.
<v Speaker 1>You know.
<v Speaker 4>I think there's a huge number of those humans.
<v Speaker 1>That is like something that I always say, you know,
<v Speaker 1>when people ask me, what's your favorite thing about the
<v Speaker 1>adult industry, and I always say the people, and I
<v Speaker 1>know you've heard it in that Yeah, this is yeah trailer.
<v Speaker 1>I just because we are such I think, a stigmatized industry,
<v Speaker 1>and because the people in it are present themselves in
<v Speaker 1>such a vulnerable light, right like, I mean you're showing everything.
<v Speaker 1>It does strip away that pretense and it's like there's
<v Speaker 1>nothing left to hide, ye like when you're doing porn,
<v Speaker 1>like you're.
<v Speaker 4>Just doing it, you're who you are.
<v Speaker 1>And I do feel like there is a real acceptance
<v Speaker 1>in the industry, especially now, like it used.
<v Speaker 3>To be a lot ten years ago, not as much
<v Speaker 3>like the women were allowed to be as free as
<v Speaker 3>we wanted. But you know, even when I did my
<v Speaker 3>first trans scene, my agent, which was not unpopular at
<v Speaker 3>the time, warned me, you know, with all respect, that
<v Speaker 3>it might ruin my career. So there was a lot
<v Speaker 3>of that messaging going around, and I was like, well,
<v Speaker 3>then I really definitely want to do it because I
<v Speaker 3>have a name. It's not going to ruin my career,
<v Speaker 3>and I want to show people, you know that even
<v Speaker 3>you know, in the non what would maybe fetish or
<v Speaker 3>like in the super duper mainstream community, you can absolutely
<v Speaker 3>do whatever you want and have an illustrious career.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean we used to see that a lot.
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, one very specific example was Christian triple X,
<v Speaker 1>who does a lot of trance stuff, and when we
<v Speaker 1>used to shoot him back in the day when I
<v Speaker 1>was working for my mom, we loved working with Christians. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>solid he was always a really good performer. And I
<v Speaker 1>can't tell you how many girls would cancel because they would,
<v Speaker 1>like learn that he the word crossover performers, I got.
<v Speaker 4>His dying and they would. It happened so frequently.
<v Speaker 3>Which is absurd because like, even in this like little
<v Speaker 3>group that I'm in that I had, you know, there's
<v Speaker 3>newer performers and older performers, and these things pop up,
<v Speaker 3>you know, testing concerns, even crossover concerns pop up, and
<v Speaker 3>people have a lot of incorrect ideas. But even if
<v Speaker 3>all their ideas were correct, you don't know what I'm
<v Speaker 3>doing in my private life. And if you're fucking me,
<v Speaker 3>you're fucking them because I fuck everyone, so like it
<v Speaker 3>doesn't A test is a test is a test is
<v Speaker 3>a test. And if you want another layer of protection,
<v Speaker 3>you could get on PREP or one of its generics.
<v Speaker 3>You know, there are a lot of choices to keep
<v Speaker 3>yourself safe. But if you're in the sex industry, even
<v Speaker 3>if you only did girl girl, which some people are like,
<v Speaker 3>oh that's the safest, Well, I'm a girl and you're
<v Speaker 3>fucking me, and I fuck all of the performers, and
<v Speaker 3>even though I'm super chill in my private life, a
<v Speaker 3>lot of people are absolutely not chill, So you don't
<v Speaker 3>know even if someone is a you know this man,
<v Speaker 3>you've only seen.
<v Speaker 4>Him on film with women, he could be totally gay.
<v Speaker 4>You could be doing.
<v Speaker 3>Anything like That's why it's irrelevant and ridiculous to have
<v Speaker 3>the stereotypes. They're hate based, and they're fear based, and
<v Speaker 3>they're not test based, and they're not science based, and
<v Speaker 3>they're not reality based.
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<v Speaker 1>about the Like I've It's so funny because I've been
<v Speaker 1>out of directing for a couple of years now, but
<v Speaker 1>I've seen how the testing has changed and it's become
<v Speaker 1>more rigorous and there's been issues. Different performers I've talked
<v Speaker 1>to have said that there's been issues with the rise
<v Speaker 1>of like the only fans performers doing collapse and they
<v Speaker 1>they weren't like they didn't go through the porno boot
<v Speaker 1>camp right when I learned about testing and all that
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. So they're working with other people and
<v Speaker 1>not testing properly and.
<v Speaker 3>Then an education thing, you know what I mean? Like
<v Speaker 3>like I grew up in the eighties where everyone is like,
<v Speaker 3>if you have sex, you're gonna get AIDS and die.
<v Speaker 3>So like in my life, even before porn, I have
<v Speaker 3>never had non condom sex with a man that wasn't tested.
<v Speaker 3>Never because they scared the shit in me. I thought
<v Speaker 3>I grew up going to die.
<v Speaker 1>I grew up in the same time I shared me
<v Speaker 1>most total condomless slut. Fine, No, but I mean terrible
<v Speaker 1>decisions and the fact that I got by without getting.
<v Speaker 3>STDs is unfucking real. I think it's more of an
<v Speaker 3>education thing. I don't I don't like shaming creators that
<v Speaker 3>aren't doing something they didn't know they were supposed to do. Like,
<v Speaker 3>how can you shame someone if they didn't know that
<v Speaker 3>that was the way. You can use your platform to
<v Speaker 3>educate so that more creators see it. You can, like
<v Speaker 3>I do, when someone first approaches me with a collab,
<v Speaker 3>I send out this huge cut and paste of what
<v Speaker 3>I need. I need certain things you're gonna have to
<v Speaker 3>give me for my paperwork. I need certain types of
<v Speaker 3>testing I need, Like it's a whole list of my
<v Speaker 3>needs before we even pick a day.
<v Speaker 4>Because you know, this is this is how you communicate.
<v Speaker 3>You can't show up on set and get mad that
<v Speaker 3>someone doesn't have the right test if you didn't tell
<v Speaker 3>them that that's the test they need.
<v Speaker 4>How could they know they're not psychic?
<v Speaker 3>They you know, saw something online, maybe decided they wanted
<v Speaker 3>to try only fans, they wanted to try sex work,
<v Speaker 3>and now they're they're collaborating with people. No one goes
<v Speaker 3>to a bar and asks for a pass approved test
<v Speaker 3>before they have sex with someone, So why as a
<v Speaker 3>creator would.
<v Speaker 4>You think you needed that.
<v Speaker 3>You're like, I'm going to have sex with the same
<v Speaker 3>type of people that I had sex with in my
<v Speaker 3>private life, but now with camera. You know. I think
<v Speaker 3>it's again like, it isn't how we do things, but
<v Speaker 3>you got to educate people. And it doesn't scare me
<v Speaker 3>because again we go right back to people's private life
<v Speaker 3>and their personal life.
<v Speaker 4>I don't care if you are a mainstream performer.
<v Speaker 3>There are plenty of mainstream performers that are going to orgies,
<v Speaker 3>that are going to play parties, that are having all
<v Speaker 3>of the different kinds of sex with all of the
<v Speaker 3>different genders, with and without protection. Which is why we
<v Speaker 3>test before we go on set. So if you want,
<v Speaker 3>like I've moved my you know, when there are different scares.
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes I'm like, I only want a three day test
<v Speaker 3>or a seven day test. Make whatever demands you want
<v Speaker 3>to make your body feel safe. That's fine, But you
<v Speaker 3>can't control people's private lives. You can't control who they
<v Speaker 3>have sex with. You can control the tests you accept.
<v Speaker 1>It comes down to I think the lack of available
<v Speaker 1>education out there. I mean, actually, let me rephrase that
<v Speaker 1>there is available education out there, but people don't know
<v Speaker 1>where to find it.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because this isn't like it's like I'm a physical
<v Speaker 3>therapist and to get into that pool, you have to
<v Speaker 3>get a degree at an accredited university. Then you have
<v Speaker 3>to take a test at a certain testing center. That
<v Speaker 3>is a test that all therapists take. You have to
<v Speaker 3>pass that test at a certain criterion, every state having
<v Speaker 3>a different one. Then you have to apply to that
<v Speaker 3>state for licensure and go through all the like. So
<v Speaker 3>by the time you're on the floor in a hospital,
<v Speaker 3>you have all of the information.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>To join our career, you have to log onto a
<v Speaker 3>website with a cell phone. Yeah, so where would the
<v Speaker 3>impetus of education lie. There are no licensure. Even to
<v Speaker 3>be a nail tech you have to have a license,
<v Speaker 3>which means you've received an education and are following certain
<v Speaker 3>criterion in your job.
<v Speaker 4>We don't have that.
<v Speaker 1>It would be nice, and I don't think I've actually
<v Speaker 1>seen this from any of the websites that you're talking about.
<v Speaker 1>And obviously you couldn't enforce this, but if there was
<v Speaker 1>a very visible pop up or link that said, hey,
<v Speaker 1>you want to join the adult industry, you want to
<v Speaker 1>do sex work, you should read this. You should check
<v Speaker 1>out this tutorial. Let us give you some information with education. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>because like you're right. You know, somebody decides that they
<v Speaker 1>want to start camming from home, right, and you know
<v Speaker 1>they you know, small town in Minnesota or so.
<v Speaker 3>They don't even know how to clean their dildos and
<v Speaker 3>they wonder why they always have BV. It would be nice,
<v Speaker 3>But then like that goes back to like capitalism, like
<v Speaker 3>what makes Like I could make an argument that you'd
<v Speaker 3>make more money if you did stuff like that, but
<v Speaker 3>like where would be the impetus of education on the sites?
<v Speaker 4>Like why?
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like I can give you wise for me as
<v Speaker 3>an ethical performer, but like to get every adult site
<v Speaker 3>that any model could post stuff on to provide an
<v Speaker 3>education at who's expense?
<v Speaker 4>And for what reason?
<v Speaker 3>Like I love the idea, but it doesn't seem super attainable.
<v Speaker 3>I also, very unpopular opinion, love the idea of relationshire.
<v Speaker 3>I come from a medical world. If hair people and
<v Speaker 3>nail people and every medical professional in the world at
<v Speaker 3>almost every profession needs a license and an education, I
<v Speaker 3>think that'd be lovely for sex workers. But that is
<v Speaker 3>a pretty hated opinion in our community. They the anger
<v Speaker 3>and I see the point where you know this one
<v Speaker 3>of the beauties of this job, especially for survival sex work,
<v Speaker 3>is that there is no barrier to entry, and that
<v Speaker 3>it would be you know, turning our backs on our
<v Speaker 3>brethren who need the job for that reason in the
<v Speaker 3>you know, hopes to increase safety for others. So you know,
<v Speaker 3>I understand the arguments, but I'm just like a little
<v Speaker 3>rule follower who think it would be nice to bring
<v Speaker 3>that type of education and safety to the industry.
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's jump into your activism because you are
<v Speaker 1>very much an advocate for the adult industry. You've been
<v Speaker 1>very outspoken. You've been featured on a lot of TV
<v Speaker 1>shows and a lot of interviews. You've been outspoken about
<v Speaker 1>how age verification laws can actually hurt legal performers more
<v Speaker 1>than they can help kids. So since we last talked,
<v Speaker 1>how have you seen that play out? Because things have happened. Yes,
<v Speaker 1>you've last been on the podcast. These in Texas ruled
<v Speaker 1>for age verification, which is something we I feel like
<v Speaker 1>we saw coming right.
<v Speaker 3>It's wild and they didn't even you know, this is
<v Speaker 3>the Supreme Court. But because we're so stigmatized and hated.
<v Speaker 3>They didn't even bother to use the Supreme Court precedent
<v Speaker 3>of strict scrutiny, right like, they didn't even use their
<v Speaker 3>own criterion to rule it because we're so hated. There
<v Speaker 3>are so many layers of problems with this one, and
<v Speaker 3>the people that are proponents for it absolutely know this
<v Speaker 3>to be the truth because they've seen it happen as
<v Speaker 3>it rolls out. It doesn't protect children at all. It's
<v Speaker 3>even if every site, every legal site, age gated themselves, right,
<v Speaker 3>because that's probably gonna happen. So what I can still
<v Speaker 3>Google great big gaping asshole and see as many as
<v Speaker 3>I want.
<v Speaker 4>It is so irrelevant. Now where would you see that.
<v Speaker 3>You can see it on Google, you could see it
<v Speaker 3>on Facebook, you could see it on WhatsApp. You could
<v Speaker 3>see it on every single illegal site in the world
<v Speaker 3>because if you set a legal precedent, legal sites play ball.
<v Speaker 4>But Google will still link to illegal sites, of course
<v Speaker 4>they will.
<v Speaker 3>And any even if Google didn't, which they do and
<v Speaker 3>always will, you could still just look up whatever you
<v Speaker 3>wanted in your search bar and find it on a
<v Speaker 3>zillion illegal sites. As they started rolling this out in
<v Speaker 3>the United States, they saw, you know, the I think
<v Speaker 3>it was less than definitely, less than two percent of
<v Speaker 3>people are willing to give their identification to watch porn,
<v Speaker 3>So all of the rest of the humans found their
<v Speaker 3>porn somewhere else. And somewhere else is the illegal sites
<v Speaker 3>where you can't ethically consume porn because you don't know
<v Speaker 3>if people were consenting, you don't know if they're over eighteen,
<v Speaker 3>The very sites where children and women and performers are exploited,
<v Speaker 3>where revenge porn actually exists, where all the public stuff
<v Speaker 3>is actually all the things they're complaining about exists on
<v Speaker 3>these sites, And that's where they saw an eight hundred
<v Speaker 3>percent increase in traffic.
<v Speaker 1>Also, VPNs shot up what one hundred and fifty percent,
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember.
<v Speaker 3>But there's a shocking statistic for that. But but the
<v Speaker 3>VPN argument only works, you know, if.
<v Speaker 1>Like if the world was like it only works if
<v Speaker 1>there's there's.
<v Speaker 4>A place where you can get it, you know what
<v Speaker 4>I mean.
<v Speaker 3>So, like, just assuming everywhere in the whole world shut
<v Speaker 3>down all the legal sites, you know, as of right now,
<v Speaker 3>you could use a VPN to make yourself in a
<v Speaker 3>different state or a different country where there's still access
<v Speaker 3>so yeah, VPNs would be another really easy workaround to
<v Speaker 3>these rules. But all of this, all of this nonsense,
<v Speaker 3>since they know it doesn't prevent eyeballs of any age
<v Speaker 3>from seeing porn, and they know one hundred percent that
<v Speaker 3>it will drive them to terrible content that says they
<v Speaker 3>absolutely don't they're funding, They're literally funding with eyeballs the
<v Speaker 3>terrible content they say they want to avoid.
<v Speaker 4>So that tells me that that's not their real reason.
<v Speaker 3>You say, well, you know, if it's not meeting their goal,
<v Speaker 3>it can't be their real reason. So at first, you know,
<v Speaker 3>maybe last time I was on I thought, ooh, it's
<v Speaker 3>all like a nefarious guys to just like get rid
<v Speaker 3>of legal porn. After the Supreme Court ruling, I think
<v Speaker 3>that we're just a trojan horse to do the real
<v Speaker 3>dirty work of the current administration, which is to let
<v Speaker 3>the government decide what is freedom of speech. I think
<v Speaker 3>they used us porn as a trojan horse because nobody
<v Speaker 3>would stand up for us.
<v Speaker 4>And now there's a.
<v Speaker 3>Legal Supreme Court precedent with no strict scrutiny in sight
<v Speaker 3>that let the government decide. So just because you don't
<v Speaker 3>care about porn, fine, but when not if when they
<v Speaker 3>start doing what they really want and picking away at
<v Speaker 3>the stuff they don't like. Eventually it's going to be
<v Speaker 3>something you like because you let them set that president.
<v Speaker 3>And if people don't start fighting this now tooth and nail,
<v Speaker 3>whether it's in our behest or not, we're fucked. We're
<v Speaker 3>in so much trouble. We are going to lose our
<v Speaker 3>freedom of speech. We're going to lose freedom of the press,
<v Speaker 3>which you already are seeing happen, you know, through lawsuits
<v Speaker 3>and financial pressures. It's about to be really dark times.
<v Speaker 3>And I'm sad and disappointed in the public. You know
<v Speaker 3>that they didn't wake up and see what they were
<v Speaker 3>really losing, Because what you're losing isn't just your access
<v Speaker 3>to ethical porn, which should be enough, but it's your
<v Speaker 3>actual loss of part of your freedom of speech, because
<v Speaker 3>we are a legal and safe and beautiful art form.
<v Speaker 3>And what is porn right Like you might be like, oh, well,
<v Speaker 3>it's just like like slapping and shows like, well, is
<v Speaker 3>it nudity? Is it all nudity? Is it like they
<v Speaker 3>didn't demarcate that at all. Is it fashion magazines? Is
<v Speaker 3>it showing middrift? Is it showing your hair? Is it
<v Speaker 3>that top right Now, yeah, the government gets to decide.
<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot of people did not get that messaging, right,
<v Speaker 1>that is not what they saw. That is not what
<v Speaker 1>was you know on their feed that they.
<v Speaker 3>Said it's protecting children exactly, but it doesn't and can't
<v Speaker 3>protect children. So you know, they know that they're not stupid,
<v Speaker 3>so it has to be something else.
<v Speaker 1>So for parents who really want to protect their children, right,
<v Speaker 1>like they don't want their kids to watch porn. And
<v Speaker 1>let's also like be honest, like most parents are not
<v Speaker 1>going to take the steps to.
<v Speaker 3>Well, you need to protect all children, not just children
<v Speaker 3>with good parents, right, So you can't blame parents. The
<v Speaker 3>society's job to protect children, even if you're a child
<v Speaker 3>of a horrible human or just not a tech savvy human. Right.
<v Speaker 3>So access to the Internet, whether you give your child's
<v Speaker 3>screen time or a phone or an iPad or a
<v Speaker 3>computer or not, is out there because now maybe your
<v Speaker 3>friend will have it. Right, So the Internet is the
<v Speaker 3>wild West and society needs to step in. You know,
<v Speaker 3>society stepped in for my generation putting all kinds of
<v Speaker 3>like legitimate warning labels even slightly. You know, adult content
<v Speaker 3>was only on in the evenings, you know, but our content,
<v Speaker 3>the our ability to consume content was limited because you
<v Speaker 3>couldn't just pull up anything that you wanted all the time.
<v Speaker 3>But the reality is you can pull up anything you
<v Speaker 3>want all the time. And even child blockers only work
<v Speaker 3>for sites that have labeled themselves, right, right, So nefarious
<v Speaker 3>sites aren't going to label themselves, not say for children,
<v Speaker 3>and even AI isn't catching at all.
<v Speaker 4>Right.
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not a tech person, but a real stepping
<v Speaker 3>in would be doing child protection in the opposite way
<v Speaker 3>that we're doing it now, instead of saying this content
<v Speaker 3>isn't for someone under eighteen, because like a seventeen year
<v Speaker 3>old and the three year old should be watching different shit.
<v Speaker 3>It should be device based and actually age appropriate, and
<v Speaker 3>not just getting rid of certain sites but only accepting
<v Speaker 3>vetted sites.
<v Speaker 4>For a three year old or a five year old
<v Speaker 4>or a ten year old.
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, they might not there might be all kinds
<v Speaker 3>of stuff out there that would be safe for them,
<v Speaker 3>but if it hasn't been actually vetted for that age group,
<v Speaker 3>there should be absolutely at least you know, less chance
<v Speaker 3>that they can get their hands on it.
<v Speaker 1>That's a good point because I've been thinking about this too,
<v Speaker 1>because obviously I have a four year old daughter, and
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, Okay, this is going to become an
<v Speaker 1>issue for me at some point. Right, I'm already like
<v Speaker 1>terrified when she takes my phone, I'm like, give that
<v Speaker 1>to me, not even because of what's on the internet,
<v Speaker 1>but what's on my camera roll.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. But and at device.
<v Speaker 1>Level is definitely the one thing that I thought, and
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, so when you go and buy
<v Speaker 1>your phone, you you know, maybe you present your ID
<v Speaker 1>when you buy your phone, and are you over the
<v Speaker 1>age of eighteen? And it cannot be age gated for
<v Speaker 1>porn only because you're right, nobody.
<v Speaker 3>Don't want someone being decapitated. I don't want adult language
<v Speaker 3>for my nieces. I want it to be appropriate for
<v Speaker 3>their No. PG thirteen.
<v Speaker 4>None of that.
<v Speaker 1>Well, because it's I didn't think about the opposite way,
<v Speaker 1>where you're only allowing like vetted for three as opposed
<v Speaker 1>to as opposed to blocking. You're like, it's like when
<v Speaker 1>you said of a kid's profile on Netflix, you know
<v Speaker 1>what I mean, it only recommends.
<v Speaker 4>Kids shows right, vetted for children?
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that is that is that is a
<v Speaker 1>great point that I never consider because my idea was like, okay, sure,
<v Speaker 1>age gating, but age gate everything like liquor, gambling, guns,
<v Speaker 1>because then people aren't.
<v Speaker 3>So romantic language, sexualized language, violent language, all. There's there's
<v Speaker 3>a million things that aren't appropriate for a small child.
<v Speaker 1>Right, But it's because it's like the thing is, people
<v Speaker 1>do not want to show their ID. It's not even
<v Speaker 1>show the idea, right, because if you show your ID
<v Speaker 1>to someone at a porn they're not going to pay
<v Speaker 1>you're eighteen to give it back to you, to put
<v Speaker 1>your information into a computer to have it there forever
<v Speaker 1>live there in your face. For porn specifically, of course,
<v Speaker 1>people don't want to do that. But if it's for
<v Speaker 1>an across the board age gate for everything over eighteen
<v Speaker 1>that happens to be a small part of it, that's different.
<v Speaker 3>That'd be very I think that that's another good thought.
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you want access to the whole Internet
<v Speaker 3>and not just the kids Internet, yeah, then you have
<v Speaker 3>to prove it. Yeah, but not for that would be
<v Speaker 3>for even most video games. Yep, you know, most content
<v Speaker 3>on the internet. Most content on the Internet is not
<v Speaker 3>at all for children, Yeah, at.
<v Speaker 4>All at all at all.
<v Speaker 3>Important is one of those things. But it's certainly not
<v Speaker 3>the only thing.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, we should. You should elect us for president.
<v Speaker 4>I tried. She can be president. I'll be vice. I'm
<v Speaker 4>no cooler. Now we have really good ideas. We just
<v Speaker 4>solved a problem.
<v Speaker 1>By the way, so you've also said that stigma is
<v Speaker 1>the real killer in this industry. How do you personally
<v Speaker 1>navigate being both highly educated and highly sexual in a
<v Speaker 1>world that often refuses to accept women as both.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's like the patriarchy at work, right.
<v Speaker 3>They want to compartmentalize, especially women, you know, and then
<v Speaker 3>it feels safer. I think to those type of really
<v Speaker 3>insecure men to think that it has to be one
<v Speaker 3>or the other, that if you're a whore, you can't
<v Speaker 3>be smart.
<v Speaker 4>If you're smart, you would never be a whore.
<v Speaker 3>They're just putting us in these safe little boxes so
<v Speaker 3>their insecurity doesn't freak the fuck out, and it's mostly
<v Speaker 3>sad for them, you know. At the end of the day,
<v Speaker 3>even though the stigma does obviously affect me a lot,
<v Speaker 3>I try and have a lot of compassion for the
<v Speaker 3>people that live in such a small world because they've
<v Speaker 3>probably gotten terrible messaging their whole life.
<v Speaker 4>They've probably been raised with.
<v Speaker 3>All kinds of sexual shame that they embody so violently
<v Speaker 3>that they take it out on other people. Imagine what
<v Speaker 3>it would be like living in their own body, having
<v Speaker 3>normal sexual wants and needs, and when those needs come
<v Speaker 3>to their mind, they're probably overwhelmed with shame.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and that has to be.
<v Speaker 3>More painful for them than anything they can spew onto
<v Speaker 3>me in my dms. Because every time I get a
<v Speaker 3>ridiculous slut shaming DM or even one that's like from
<v Speaker 3>like light misogyny of she probably doesn't really play video games,
<v Speaker 3>to like, you know, heavy misogyny of like she'd only
<v Speaker 3>you know, a stupid whore would do something like that.
<v Speaker 3>It really doesn't reflect on me at all because I
<v Speaker 3>absolutely know who I am. For them to get so
<v Speaker 3>triggered by my existence on Instagram to have to say that,
<v Speaker 3>they're saying it like they're taking a binkie. They're saying
<v Speaker 3>it as a self soothing behavior because if they say that,
<v Speaker 3>it can feel truer to them and then their shame
<v Speaker 3>can quiet down to the little pit of despair that
<v Speaker 3>they have.
<v Speaker 4>In their bodies. But like that's you know, I'm joking,
<v Speaker 4>but that that is the truth.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're in their own little like, how can these
<v Speaker 3>things exist? These things can't exist in the safe space
<v Speaker 3>that is in my body, So I must shame them self, soothe,
<v Speaker 3>calm myself down, tell myself. Yes, the boxes I've made
<v Speaker 3>are correct. If I stray outside these boxes, bad things
<v Speaker 3>will happen. Because they're not controlling me, obviously. Yeah, but
<v Speaker 3>they're definitely controlling themselves.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>And there's no way that those people are living their
<v Speaker 3>most authentic lives, or they wouldn't be so triggered.
<v Speaker 1>I've always felt that the things that people say about
<v Speaker 1>you say more about them than they do about you.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because why would you? Like, where did this even
<v Speaker 3>come from? Which is why we're internalized it. Yeah, which
<v Speaker 3>is why I don't read the comments. You could say
<v Speaker 3>whatever you want, I don't care. I do read the
<v Speaker 3>comments because I have a segment about it. But like
<v Speaker 3>it's such an like it's somewhere between eye roll and comedy.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean every once in a while, I guess
<v Speaker 1>that's not a lie. Every once in a while I
<v Speaker 1>read the comments because I did get that really favorite
<v Speaker 1>comment I think I posted on Instagram.
<v Speaker 4>I feel like you tell me. I can't remember it now,
<v Speaker 4>but it was it was about me being old. Yeah,
<v Speaker 4>you're like, do you want me to be dead? Nobody?
<v Speaker 1>The way the guy put it was so funny and
<v Speaker 1>it was like, I don't know, it brought me so
<v Speaker 1>much joy. The insult brought me so much joy because
<v Speaker 1>it was so funny and he wasn't he didn't mean
<v Speaker 1>to be funny.
<v Speaker 4>No, like literally like.
<v Speaker 1>He was clearly like es L like England, but it
<v Speaker 1>was something like him like, hi, ma'am, I looked at
<v Speaker 1>your thumbnail. I thought you were pretty, and then I
<v Speaker 1>joined your site and then I found out you were old.
<v Speaker 4>I'm very sorry.
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like I just like I don't know why,
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes I screencaped it.
<v Speaker 4>I have my phone. Sometimes I go back and I
<v Speaker 4>look at it and I just like it brings me joy.
<v Speaker 4>It makes me laugh so hard.
<v Speaker 1>Also like you can't because I like you that I
<v Speaker 1>am old as well.
<v Speaker 4>I'm also sorry about that, Like my knee is sorry
<v Speaker 4>that I'm old? Do you know what I mean? Like,
<v Speaker 4>but like you can't age shame.
<v Speaker 1>Me because the alternative is I would being dead.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why would I be sad that I'm old and
<v Speaker 3>progressively getting older?
<v Speaker 4>Yay? Like also I lived those years. Yeah, they were fine.
<v Speaker 4>This is better. Yeah, yeah, I know that's true. That
<v Speaker 4>is true.
<v Speaker 1>Our birthdays are coming up too. Yeah, your birthday is
<v Speaker 1>because your alreadieth. Yeah, because your birthday is like six
<v Speaker 1>days before mine.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like we're Virgo city right in there.
<v Speaker 1>So, speaking of stigma and all of that, extreme sex
<v Speaker 1>challenges and what some people will call clout chasing stunts
<v Speaker 1>are everywhere online. Do you see this as empowering self
<v Speaker 1>expression or dangerous content farming.
<v Speaker 3>I'll give you my honest opinion, you know, kind of
<v Speaker 3>not like both in neither because people's business model doesn't
<v Speaker 3>really affect me. It does kind of amp up the
<v Speaker 3>bad stigma on us, but that was already there. What
<v Speaker 3>I really think about it is I'd like to talk
<v Speaker 3>to the people doing that and just like say, that's
<v Speaker 3>not good for your longevity. Like, again, I don't care
<v Speaker 3>what you're doing, but if your whole business plan is
<v Speaker 3>one upping yourself, it's not sustainable. Like you've created an
<v Speaker 3>unsustainable business plan, why would you do that?
<v Speaker 1>Well, but could you make so much money in that
<v Speaker 1>short amount of time that that could sustain you?
<v Speaker 4>And then you could you could make a lot of
<v Speaker 4>money in that amount of time because it.
<v Speaker 1>Is hard because I also like, I'm not sure how
<v Speaker 1>I feel about this, and I also I also don't care.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah no, and I'm I'm I like, do whatever you
<v Speaker 4>want and how.
<v Speaker 3>Where people are talking about it and like, oh my god,
<v Speaker 3>it's so whatever, But like okay.
<v Speaker 1>I also I partially I don't care in the sense
<v Speaker 1>that I feel like everybody should do whatever they want
<v Speaker 1>to do and whatever feels good to them. And there's
<v Speaker 1>also a part of me that's like, fuck you go, girl,
<v Speaker 1>like good marketing.
<v Speaker 3>Like it is good marketing to it, And again I'm
<v Speaker 3>not against it as a whole, It just it just
<v Speaker 3>makes me feel anxious for them because you it's not
<v Speaker 3>a sustainable business plan. And I do hope that those
<v Speaker 3>people do make a lifetime's worth of money have a
<v Speaker 3>good financial team to make sure it actually is a
<v Speaker 3>lifetime's worth of money that will still be around, you know,
<v Speaker 3>when they're ninety five or however old they live. Because
<v Speaker 3>once you're a sex worker, you can't really get another job,
<v Speaker 3>so it has to be a lifetime's worth of money.
<v Speaker 3>And it makes me nervous for them that there's no
<v Speaker 3>coming you can't go backwards brand wise really, and since
<v Speaker 3>it isn't sustainable, I feel nervous that either they're not
<v Speaker 3>going to make a lifetimes worth of money, or that
<v Speaker 3>they'll blow through the lifetime's worth of money quickly and
<v Speaker 3>then have really not many options to continue with this career. Again,
<v Speaker 3>not my problem, not my business, not my body. But
<v Speaker 3>I'm just like, you know, the little business human in
<v Speaker 3>me is like, oh, are you sure you know a
<v Speaker 3>few of them I think will make that lifetime's worth
<v Speaker 3>of money, but I think a lot of people will
<v Speaker 3>try and emulate it. And like, once you go, you know,
<v Speaker 3>once your whole fan base is based on extreme, then
<v Speaker 3>all of your fans need extreme and you'd have to
<v Speaker 3>completely rebrand yourself, which I guess isn't impossible, but oh god,
<v Speaker 3>now you have to start over.
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because like I know that you know, people
<v Speaker 1>see it as you know, these extreme, insane acts, and
<v Speaker 1>which you know, I guess they are, But I also
<v Speaker 1>just see it as like it's just intense marketing, because
<v Speaker 1>it's like you do have you know, in this time
<v Speaker 1>where everybody's on OnlyFans ten percent of women, you have
<v Speaker 1>to have a way to stand out. I remember actually
<v Speaker 1>having Bonnie Blue on here when she was pretty fucking new,
<v Speaker 1>and I asked her, you know, how do you, like,
<v Speaker 1>what advice would you give to girls standing, you know,
<v Speaker 1>wanting to start on only fans, how can you be successful?
<v Speaker 1>And she was like, find a niche find a way
<v Speaker 1>to stand out. Yes, girl, you found a way to
<v Speaker 1>fucking stand out. Yeah, yeah, and that is great marketing. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>I guess if that's the only way that you feel
<v Speaker 3>like you can stand out, it's better.
<v Speaker 4>To maybe do that then.
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what a nightmare if you went to become
<v Speaker 3>a sex worker and made no money and had nothing
<v Speaker 3>to show for it, and the and had to deal
<v Speaker 3>with the stigma and job loss for the rest of
<v Speaker 3>your life. I guess it would be better to make
<v Speaker 3>any money at all. You know, I'm just such a
<v Speaker 3>like long term. I'm like, but what about next year
<v Speaker 3>and ten years from now and twenty years from now,
<v Speaker 3>and like flexibility and all that stuff.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but I don't know.
<v Speaker 3>But no, I mean, certainly, no shame, no shade. It
<v Speaker 3>just gives me that like, is that sustainable?
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they're making a bunch of money and investing it
<v Speaker 1>in like vending machine hopes that like, yeah you can,
<v Speaker 1>that can sea I don't know on Instagram.
<v Speaker 3>If the money is good, machine the investments are wise,
<v Speaker 3>it sustains you for the rest of your life because
<v Speaker 3>it will be hard to get another job than fuck
<v Speaker 3>yeah yeah, But I'd say that about anyone doing anything
<v Speaker 3>in the sex work world, right, extreme or not extreme,
<v Speaker 3>Think ahead, plan, be careful. This money you're making might
<v Speaker 3>only last a year or five years. Really don't If
<v Speaker 3>you're making, you know, a million dollars a year, you
<v Speaker 3>probably shouldn't live like you're making a million dollars a
<v Speaker 3>year as a lawyer because they're going to work till
<v Speaker 3>they're sixty five, and.
<v Speaker 4>We probably aren't. What is your long term plan? I
<v Speaker 4>do plan to work o'clock.
<v Speaker 1>I mean I did have a woman on my podcast
<v Speaker 1>once who I think.
<v Speaker 4>Was sixty five.
<v Speaker 3>No, I think, I mean it would be great if
<v Speaker 3>people still liked me.
<v Speaker 4>Then I don't plan to stop.
<v Speaker 3>I think I feel like all I feel like I'll
<v Speaker 3>be stopped rather than be like, uh, I'm bored.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but you do look insane than you like
<v Speaker 1>for being my age. I mean, but like, I mean
<v Speaker 1>it's not just your face, but like you're how come
<v Speaker 1>your body looks like that.
<v Speaker 4>Why isn't mine? Are you not looking in the mirror?
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I look in the mirror all the time, I think,
<v Speaker 1>and I know I had a kid, but still you
<v Speaker 1>look amazing and you know you do.
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, I've seen your pictures, I.
<v Speaker 1>Know, but they're photoshopped.
<v Speaker 7>Say be honest, I know, but I've seen you naked
<v Speaker 7>and real life you're more beautiful.
<v Speaker 4>I just went to flick my hair, but it's but
<v Speaker 4>what Okay, So what do you also do plan the
<v Speaker 4>twins look? But I know, I know, I just I
<v Speaker 4>didn't have time to do my hair this morning.
<v Speaker 1>Because I had didn't want I just don't feel like
<v Speaker 1>it violet to first day of first day of school.
<v Speaker 1>So so what what do you do to maintain your
<v Speaker 1>your beautiful physique?
<v Speaker 3>I mean it's always different stuff different years, But lately,
<v Speaker 3>for the past a bunch of years, I've been doing
<v Speaker 3>like a mix of pilates and CrossFit, which I feel
<v Speaker 3>like that at the opposite ends of the spectrum, But
<v Speaker 3>I feel like CrossFit works me out till I want
<v Speaker 3>to like puke with a lot of like bigger muscle groups,
<v Speaker 3>and then I like take the you know, on reformer
<v Speaker 3>pilates to make sure that I'm not going to get
<v Speaker 3>like a rotator cuff tear and my abs are still strong,
<v Speaker 3>like like kind of like small muscle group, big muscle group,
<v Speaker 3>like light cardio, wanna vomit cardio and mix it in.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. When I started boxing, that's when it really got
<v Speaker 1>me into exercising. And I got fit from boxing and
<v Speaker 1>I realized, I'm like, oh, you actually have to exercise
<v Speaker 1>until you think you're gonna vomit. That's when like you
<v Speaker 1>can't just go on the elliptical machine for twenty minutes
<v Speaker 1>and read.
<v Speaker 3>Vote that gives me nothing and I think that doesn't work,
<v Speaker 3>like you limital fel sick. Yeah, And pilates I do
<v Speaker 3>because it's good for me. Yeah, but if because I
<v Speaker 3>used to be like a marathon runner and that gave
<v Speaker 3>me that, like for my mental health, I need to
<v Speaker 3>get all the way to where my brain during the
<v Speaker 3>workout is going please God stop you. This isn't great,
<v Speaker 3>and my willpower is saying, nah, I'm good. You know
<v Speaker 3>I need to go to push that hard to get
<v Speaker 3>the endorphins because that's like I don't do drugs, but
<v Speaker 3>that's what I imagine that like actual like high feeling
<v Speaker 3>would be. It's like euphoric, and it really keeps my
<v Speaker 3>mental health on track, Like if I miss a week
<v Speaker 3>at the gym, I'm a little cranky. Yeah, Like it
<v Speaker 3>really feeds me drugs when I push like that. And
<v Speaker 3>I've been doing that type of working out almost my
<v Speaker 3>whole life in different forms.
<v Speaker 4>So I think I'm just a I think I'm addicted.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not a bad thing to be addicted to.
<v Speaker 1>Do you do this on your own or do you
<v Speaker 1>have a trainer, because I find like I have found
<v Speaker 1>that my one thing is I have to go to classes.
<v Speaker 4>They're age.
<v Speaker 1>Those things are class if I if you leave me
<v Speaker 1>to my own devices, I'm.
<v Speaker 3>Running Identai, but it has a like I'm going to
<v Speaker 3>run six miles is definitive. I was never able to
<v Speaker 3>like capture that like going to do it on my own.
<v Speaker 3>So I need a class environment. Yeah, otherwise I'm a
<v Speaker 3>little lax. I'll be honest, I'm lacks the daisical.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, I will too.
<v Speaker 1>I will totally like I need this shame of leaving
<v Speaker 1>a class early to keep me in there.
<v Speaker 3>I want to be like, you know, everyone else is
<v Speaker 3>doing it. Of course, you can, of course you can.
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's good. Yeah, you feel like the community in.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like look at everyone like working so hard, look
<v Speaker 3>at people of all different age groups, of all different
<v Speaker 3>body types. Like if all of these humans in class
<v Speaker 3>can do it, of course you can.
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's wonderful because for me, it's the shame. The
<v Speaker 1>shame keeps me in, you know what, it keeps you
<v Speaker 1>looking at it?
<v Speaker 4>All right?
<v Speaker 1>So I know that the listeners we did promise some
<v Speaker 1>fun dirty details as well, So let's loosen meaning.
<v Speaker 4>Activism and age gating forn is not you guys? Do
<v Speaker 4>you want to hear about dicks? Would you like dicks?
<v Speaker 1>So you've done everything obviously, from mainstream porn to fan customs. Yeah,
<v Speaker 1>what is the filthiest custom request you've actually ever said
<v Speaker 1>yes to?
<v Speaker 4>And what's the one that you said no to?
<v Speaker 2>Like?
<v Speaker 4>What is like filthy?
<v Speaker 3>Like I've done anal, I've done all the things that
<v Speaker 3>some people think of as filthy.
<v Speaker 4>You know.
<v Speaker 3>I do everything that doesn't break my morals or the law,
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't really have Like if I'm physically capable
<v Speaker 3>of doing it and ethically in tune with doing it,
<v Speaker 3>I'll do it, especially if it makes you happy, even
<v Speaker 3>if it's not my bag of chips, so to speak. Like,
<v Speaker 3>I've done forty five minutes of sniffing my upper lip.
<v Speaker 4>That does not.
<v Speaker 3>Make me wet, but I was happy to do that
<v Speaker 3>for the customer. I've I've eaten little plastic people in
<v Speaker 3>a bowl and chastised them for peeing in my like
<v Speaker 3>does it make me wet?
<v Speaker 4>No, No, not at all.
<v Speaker 3>But there's someone out there right now that is hopefully
<v Speaker 3>still jerking off to me yelling at people for pissing
<v Speaker 3>in my cereal.
<v Speaker 1>How did you sniff your upper lip for forty five.
<v Speaker 3>Yes, well for forty five minutes it was I won't lie.
<v Speaker 3>It got to be a power, a willpower thing. Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>that's a really long time, but.
<v Speaker 4>Just like for forty five, four minutes is a lot.
<v Speaker 4>Did you take breaks? No, you gotta get you. I
<v Speaker 4>gotta just get her over with.
<v Speaker 3>You did that straight for How if you take a break?
<v Speaker 3>How a you're going to go back to it.
<v Speaker 4>If you start filming again? No or no, you got
<v Speaker 4>to get it. You gotta just get it. You know
<v Speaker 4>what I would do.
<v Speaker 1>I would do several cuts and then I would loop
<v Speaker 1>certain parts, but I would mix it up so that
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't know I would cheat.
<v Speaker 3>My editing skills, this is years ago, were not that
<v Speaker 3>good even if I had wont it, even if I
<v Speaker 3>had thought of it, I feel like, just like rip
<v Speaker 3>it off like a band aid. Yeah, just press play,
<v Speaker 3>get your timer on, and just sniff.
<v Speaker 4>I would have cheated.
<v Speaker 1>Don't ever order a forty five minute upper lip sniffing
<v Speaker 1>custom from me, because I will cheat.
<v Speaker 4>It will not be authentic.
<v Speaker 1>Chari, however, will actually sniffer upper lip for forty five minutes.
<v Speaker 4>It was.
<v Speaker 3>It was the longest for it because there's not I
<v Speaker 3>wasn't supposed to talk. If I could have talked, you
<v Speaker 3>know me, I could have just blabbled on for forty
<v Speaker 3>five minutes and kept myself entertained.
<v Speaker 1>The classy thing is that this guy like goon to
<v Speaker 1>that for forty five minutes?
<v Speaker 4>I assume.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wonder. I really would love to know if
<v Speaker 3>you ordered that custom for me. What was your favorite part?
<v Speaker 3>Is it like the nostril flaring? Is it the lip movement?
<v Speaker 3>Is it because I can really scrunch my nose? Weird?
<v Speaker 4>What is it that's so interesting?
<v Speaker 2>Wow?
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've heard some like I do have a
<v Speaker 1>few nose people, and I think it's because I haven't
<v Speaker 1>botoxed my bunny lines like most people, because I do
<v Speaker 1>have like a lot I can do with my nose.
<v Speaker 4>There was a hole.
<v Speaker 1>I remember Madison Ivy, she's like fairly large nostrils. I
<v Speaker 1>remember she told me that there was a whole subreddit
<v Speaker 1>dedication to her nostros.
<v Speaker 4>Fuck.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, someone with a really little dick wants
<v Speaker 3>to get up in them in.
<v Speaker 4>That there is a hole for every penis. Yeah yeah, yeah.
<v Speaker 1>See see, guys, doesn't matter how small your dick is,
<v Speaker 1>we can find a hole.
<v Speaker 4>We can put it away.
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, sex workers are just problem solvers. Honestly,
<v Speaker 1>no dick is too small, no hole is unavailable. So
<v Speaker 1>and speaking of mainstream porn, you are a contract star
<v Speaker 1>for browsers, our favorite people.
<v Speaker 4>How long have you been with them? Now?
<v Speaker 3>A few years years. I have to look back to
<v Speaker 3>see when my very at least three years. Post three years,
<v Speaker 3>it feels it's pandemic. Maybe it's been four. I should
<v Speaker 3>like count it and then have little anniversaries for myself
<v Speaker 3>because I love stuff like that. I'm just like every
<v Speaker 3>time I have to because we do or we I
<v Speaker 3>don't know about the other contractors. I do mine every
<v Speaker 3>six months, so I'm always like no matter like, I'm
<v Speaker 3>always like sweating when it's coming up, like please resign me,
<v Speaker 3>please resign me, please, you know what I mean? So
<v Speaker 3>like like I feel like maybe because of my anxiety,
<v Speaker 3>like I've.
<v Speaker 4>Been like you know, oh God, I want it. I
<v Speaker 4>want oh God, Okay, I.
<v Speaker 3>Got it six more months instead of like celebrating my
<v Speaker 3>wins of every year as like you know, the ability
<v Speaker 3>to be contracted with them.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so obviously you want this.
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I till the day I retire. I
<v Speaker 3>tell them that every time I resign. I'm like, just
<v Speaker 3>so you know, I would keep you until the day
<v Speaker 3>I retire, Like please God.
<v Speaker 1>So for those who don't know why, what makes browsers
<v Speaker 1>the best?
<v Speaker 3>First of all, like the whole like emotion of browsers
<v Speaker 3>is like right up my alley of the type of
<v Speaker 3>porn I want to create, Like it is hardcore sex.
<v Speaker 3>It is all of the types of filthy with all
<v Speaker 3>of the types of humans I like. And it doesn't
<v Speaker 3>take itself too seriously. There's almost always like a little
<v Speaker 3>bit of like tongue in cheek, a little easter egg,
<v Speaker 3>a little like laugh factor in every porn you can
<v Speaker 3>show that emotion. It doesn't have to be like hot
<v Speaker 3>girl all the time. I can get as messy as
<v Speaker 3>I want to, where like my eyelashes stuck to my foot,
<v Speaker 3>and they let me do that. They like me, let
<v Speaker 3>me look like a little like cock gremlin at the end,
<v Speaker 3>all like fucked up and messy and say funny things
<v Speaker 3>and just like have it be hot and funny and
<v Speaker 3>joyful and like that's the scenes. But then you and
<v Speaker 3>I know, but most outsiders wouldn't know this. They've always
<v Speaker 3>been at the forefront of advocacy, donating to all of
<v Speaker 3>our important causes FSC Pineapple support.
<v Speaker 1>They definitely make up like more more than fifty percent
<v Speaker 1>of the donations.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so like all of our our lobbying efforts, all
<v Speaker 3>of our mental health efforts, you know, cupcake girls, all
<v Speaker 3>of that they support, and they're you know, always like
<v Speaker 3>advocating for best testing standards best you know, they were
<v Speaker 3>one of the first ones with the consent form talent liaisons.
<v Speaker 3>Like they're always every year bettering themselves at not just
<v Speaker 3>the business stuff, but like how can we be the
<v Speaker 3>company that makes the models the most comfortable on set,
<v Speaker 3>the most safe. How can we be at the forefront,
<v Speaker 3>you know, pushing the other companies into bettering themselves as well.
<v Speaker 3>And they absolutely have been doing that my whole tenure here.
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're definitely at the forefront of all of that,
<v Speaker 1>and it's been so.
<v Speaker 4>I feel proud.
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, and they're not just like a big
<v Speaker 3>glamorous company to put my name on, which they are,
<v Speaker 3>but there are other big glamorous companies that I would
<v Speaker 3>not be proud to put my name on ethically, Yeah,
<v Speaker 3>And I feel like they just align with my brand
<v Speaker 3>in every facet so beautifully that I am proud to
<v Speaker 3>be contracted with them.
<v Speaker 4>They also make great merch.
<v Speaker 3>They do make great merch, great merch I give to
<v Speaker 3>my friends sometimes and it's like wearable.
<v Speaker 4>I love getting like my box of merch from Browsers.
<v Speaker 4>I have to say.
<v Speaker 1>So, my four year old has a swim class every Thursday,
<v Speaker 1>and I accidentally packed a Browsers towel first cause and so,
<v Speaker 1>like you know, she gets out of the pool and
<v Speaker 1>it's like there's a lot of kids there.
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of families.
<v Speaker 1>There, a lot of parents, the kids don't know, but
<v Speaker 1>the and I just took the towel out and I
<v Speaker 1>was like.
<v Speaker 4>We're wearing ship and I was like, I just scooped
<v Speaker 4>her up and I just told her. I'm like, we're going.
<v Speaker 1>To the towers right now.
<v Speaker 4>She's like, Mommy, way you to hurry. I'm just gosh.
<v Speaker 1>And actually, on her last day of preschool, I do
<v Speaker 1>this too.
<v Speaker 3>I forget your purse or your fanny past.
<v Speaker 1>I showed up in my new browsers vlureu fucking pants?
<v Speaker 4>Do those fit you? Yes? They don't fit me at all?
<v Speaker 4>They fit me? Are they too small? Way too small?
<v Speaker 4>They fit me? They wildly.
<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't have hit me ten pounds ago, but they
<v Speaker 1>fit me. Did they send you a small?
<v Speaker 3>I've tried small and medium and it's like they I
<v Speaker 3>love that. They just don't work for all that.
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. No, I love the idea of them. I wanted
<v Speaker 4>them to love me, but I don't know. They fit
<v Speaker 4>me good for you must be nice.
<v Speaker 1>But I went and I picked her up in those
<v Speaker 1>pants and the browsers slides and I get there and
<v Speaker 1>I'm like fuck, and I'm like, it's her last day.
<v Speaker 4>Who cares? Who cares? Fuck? It never gonna see these
<v Speaker 4>people again. Fuck it. Yeah, anyways, but yes.
<v Speaker 1>Keep sending me the merch and I will continue to
<v Speaker 1>wear it inappropriate places.
<v Speaker 4>Do they send you the boys merch too? Mm mmm, no,
<v Speaker 4>you should, No, I should. Yeah.
<v Speaker 1>For my husband, yeah, yeah, they've definitely sent it before,
<v Speaker 1>and I have given it to him and he has
<v Speaker 1>worn it proudly, and he's given it his hockey team
<v Speaker 1>does like a oh yeah, like tournament at the end
<v Speaker 1>of the year, and he usually gives it away as
<v Speaker 1>like gifts and.
<v Speaker 4>Stuff like that. Yeah, so I should. Yeah.
<v Speaker 3>My partner is a better luck at wearing it in
<v Speaker 3>public without being harassed than I do. Because of course,
<v Speaker 3>like if they thought I might be SHERI they might
<v Speaker 3>not say anything. But then like if you double down
<v Speaker 3>by being wearing the Browsers merch, Now I'm like a bunch,
<v Speaker 3>like it's fine, everyone's respectful, but if I weren't in public,
<v Speaker 3>I have to be like I am going to be
<v Speaker 3>approached a lot.
<v Speaker 4>Yes today, dude, Do I feel like being a pressure
<v Speaker 4>lot today? Yes? Yes? All right, well, sure, we thank
<v Speaker 4>you so much. It was so good to see you.
<v Speaker 1>Of course, we have some Patreon questions that we're going
<v Speaker 1>to do in a separate segment.
<v Speaker 4>You know, all the dirty questions, all the dirty questions.
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I adore you, I not just as a performer,
<v Speaker 1>but as a friend. And every time we talk I
<v Speaker 1>feel like I learned something new and that we could
<v Speaker 1>go on forever, like I could literally do another hour.
<v Speaker 4>But before, of course, we wrap up.
<v Speaker 1>I want you to tell everyone where they can find
<v Speaker 1>you if they're not already following you, which I feel
<v Speaker 1>like is crazy because char to Ville like everybody knows
<v Speaker 1>who she is. But just in case you've been living
<v Speaker 1>under a fucking rock, where can people find you?
<v Speaker 4>Or don't like MILFs because we're so old? Yes, so
<v Speaker 4>very sorry about that. I'm sorry, sorry, very sorry. Everything.
<v Speaker 3>All of my socials, all my websites are on Sharideville
<v Speaker 3>dot com, c H E R I E D E
<v Speaker 3>V I L L E dot com.
<v Speaker 4>Do you're fucking organized?
<v Speaker 1>She is?
<v Speaker 4>She has everything because everything changes all the time.
<v Speaker 3>So if I water market one way because I've done
<v Speaker 3>this wrong in the past, and then something changes, then
<v Speaker 3>the wrong watermark is out there for all time. So
<v Speaker 3>I made my solo site into just like housing sites,
<v Speaker 3>so when things change, it's like always still.
<v Speaker 4>Right yeah, yeah, yeah, but I learn that the hard one.
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