Josh Pate Talks Penn State firing James Franklin + Greg Olsen & Luke Kuechly Recap Week 6 Of The NFL

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. We are back with a weekend recap. A lot of stuff happened college football NFL. We have the Commissioner of college Football, Josh pay on the show.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 3: There's too much bubbling in the college football world.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on.

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Speaker 3: Talk about games, we'll talk about teams, performances, everything else, but there is a lot of talk about what's going on the coaching world. So we had to have on Listen you guys get a heavy dose of Willie C. Taylor and Josh Pate on the Locker Room, which comes out every Wednesday evening, where we kind of talk about what our favorite picks are for the weekend. But this feels like, you know, it feels like I had to have it. Oh wait, economy vibes.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I think that was actually mentioned on the show. This last week was the eight yeah crash. But this tonight we got a doubleheader. We got Bills are headed to Atlanta to face the Falcons and the Bears are up against the Washington Commanders. Hail Mary, game back. We're coming back. So first things first, we cooked up a little parlay for the Bills game. We're talking about Josh Allen anytime touchdown, Bijon anytime down, Josh Allen plus two fifty pass and run stats Bijeon plus one hundred rushing yards. Now, you can ride with the boys, or you can cook up something for yourself. But what you need to know is that fandal is giving all customers a profit Boost token to use either Monday on either Monday Night football game. So whether you think the Bills are gearing up for a rebound game against Pennix after their loss last week, or you think the Commanders will really start to heat things up after Daniel's return, make sure to drop a profit Boost token on either of those games to make sure winnings get even bigger. Just head Tofandle dot com Forward slash bus and to get started. I like our parlay. I'm a fan of our. I think there's a big Josh Allen goes off game.

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Speaker 4: It's one hundred rush plus receiving yards.

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Speaker 1: That's not what it says in the card. He said it's one hundred rush plus receiving.

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Speaker 4: So that's even better for you to be one hundred rushing yards.

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Speaker 1: It's rushing and receiving combined. This two fifty I think that's okay, So that originally got back to I think that's what it was perfect.

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Speaker 3: I know we'll touch on this when we get to the locker room again Wednesday evenings. The Boys and Josh Pate from on the bus with the Boys Channel. I believe we collabsed with your channel last week blowing up, blowing up, blowing up. But hey, four and one of the big games. You boy, it was a little spicy over the weekend and right now going in now, don't want to Jinxon knock on wood right now going into Monday, Monday Night Football, we talked about six games on the NFL portion of the locker room Clay and Delaney. Right now, I'm sitting at four and O and I have a confession for this is for all the boys, for everybody, This for everybody, because this is on me. However, I do think you guys, we'll understand because there at times there are some solo missions on parlays that you have to play and over the Sunday, I literally Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I saw an Instagram thing yesterday about this.

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Speaker 3: Bro here we go, but here's a parlay that's open for me, and I'm glad we're talking about it because this could be the jinx that makes it. Losing, I'll feel much better. But if I win this have I had an eight lake parlay plus eighteen hundred and it was a Denver money line, Rams money line, Patriots money line, Colt's money line, Seahawks money line, Tampa Bay money line, Packers money line. And now I just need the commanders to hit how much you put on it? One hundred to win? Nineteen hundred?

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Speaker 1: What's about out right now?

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Speaker 3: Eleven eleven hundred and twenty seven dollars to cash out? And would you I mean, I'm riding with it. I'm for sure riding with it. Would you play now? Yesterday morning, Sunday morning? But now I'm feeling guilty just because that was one I did. I know. We share O parlays in the group chats. Sometimes there are parlays we just do on our own. Like I'm thinking of myself. Am I who I think I am? Because I've been a little hot since I've shaved the head?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been hot.

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Speaker 2: So you have a solo mission text thread with yourself.

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Speaker 3: Hey buddy, you're rolling right now? Yeah, seeing the same shit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah for real, I happened just working, been working. Good news for Will what was your what was there? College football?

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Speaker 3: Again? For and one four and one missed on Indiana, which again apologies to the Indiana fans. I know it went pretty hard last week because we got this little thing we like to do with Coach Landing and Big Netti and a simple lol after the game with Big Netti after and three sig emojis. Indiana's beaten some ass right now, they're one of the best teams in college.

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Speaker 1: Fo Yeah, great for Will College even We'll come to the rondo plus four and one now turn around. In a moment of silence, I went on one to five buddy the way the Red River shootout was taking place, and we didn't have much service. But we go away from that Missouri Alabama game and Alabama's up ten. I'm thinking, I said it on ESPN, don't be surprised if Alabama wins this game by double digits. I felt really good about that. We walk away, we get through the tunnel and finally service arts popping up. Everyone just in their phone and we was like, ooh, shows it over and Missouri loses by three. I'm literally trying to speak in existence for the next forty five. I think the line was like two and a half, right, it was a one A yeah, it might have been three. It might have been a push.

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Speaker 3: Bama's up ten right now, but Miszoo has the ball and they're in Bama territory. So it was one of the situations where they score fast. I don't know if they in a spot where they got an onside kick it. We didn't get to see the ending of it. But once they won, he's like, what was this spread on the game? I was like three and a half. He's like, are you sure?

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Speaker 2: One?

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Speaker 4: Two?

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, it was three.

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Speaker 2: You're totally sure. Here's the funny part. It's first off, half of Missouri Stadium is construction right now, so you're standing in the ends. I was on the field. I'm standing in the end zone where the construction's happening, and I'm thinking about, first off, wow, Alabama really needs this win. Secondly, Missouri they're down ten, so they're trying to score and get the onside and the moment that dude crossed the goal line, I'm standing next to three of my staffers and I just yelled, they got him, they got him, and everyone else in that building, and they thought I was talking about the dude scoring the touchdown. I was talking about you. I was talking about you. Thank got him because you were the only one I knew that said they're gonna pull away. It was one of those weird things where the almost the entire world, it felt like, including me, said I'm gonna take Alabama. It's gonna be really close. Though normally everyone's in Unison, something other than what they're in Unison about happens. The game played out. First off spread was three to three and a half, total was fifty one. Final score was twenty seven to twenty four. Everything about the game played out according to script.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, and anybody knew when we that was in the tunnel. We get in the we get in the car service to go to the airport. He asked the next person that he sees, Hey, what was the spread on the game? Was it uh and.

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Speaker 1: A and a half? To curse me, but I think it was two and a half.

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Speaker 3: We get on the we get on the planes.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of myself because I've already gone through the games. I'm like, oh, I'm I'm oh and four right now going into Michigan, USC.

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Speaker 2: Actual fandl App tells you it was three and a half.

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Speaker 3: He pit them up.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I got to get up. I got a guy here at stand outside the carnival righte who says he swears it was too and a half. Yeah, you guys, sure he didn't get.

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Speaker 3: On the planet, he genuinely asked again out loud. And I'm just kind of jukling to myself, like he can't take this loss right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't take it because I'm thinking of myself at the very least win one. Yeah, because I've I've been at the top of our like it's been very close between the three of us, but I've been sitting on the top and I'm thinking myself, eventually it'll fall, and I know it and I feel it, and I know it's gonna come. But when it's actually happening, You're like, I really didn't prepare for it. I just said the words. I didn't emotionally prepare for this loss that I was about.

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Speaker 3: You're going for going into Michigan, USC which what we got to witness on the locker room with the confidence the noself.

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Speaker 1: The locker room, I think if you look that back, you could I'm nervous. I even say, like I'm nervous with this game, Like they match up really well with us. What they do well is what we don't do well, and vice versa. But I thought, at the end of the day, like toughness is gonna win. And I was right. Yeah, I was right. Toughness.

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Speaker 3: Toughness the tougher.

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Speaker 1: As much as I want to sit here and beat my chest about Michigan, like the thing that makes me so prideful in Michigan is like when the back's against the wall, they scratch and claw and fight and you're gonna you're gonna walk away, You're gonna miss it. You're being missing a limb broken, like you're gonna have you're gonna beat up when you play Michigan. And that game, we had our guys getting hurt. Their guys are celebrating on the sideline in the fourth quarter. They run for what was it, two and twenty five yards.

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Speaker 2: Over five yards per carry, over five yards per carry.

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Speaker 1: And that's not with their starting running back in the second in the Big ten. Now that that's not with their second string bag that's what they walk on running back and the mistackles. So yeah, we got our ass beat.

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Speaker 3: Good news.

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Speaker 4: Ro oh.

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Speaker 1: No, this week and I'll be I told JP this before we started. I'll be putting a two leg parlay together. It's a two little it'll be Michigan money line in South Carolina money line. Because we're in October right now, Baby, we gotta get it done.

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Speaker 3: I think, don't you guys have a buye?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: We play Washington this week? Yeah, this week and yeah, five.

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Speaker 3: Opened up at five and a half before Washington open.

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Speaker 1: Up at five and a half point favorite in the Big House.

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Speaker 2: In the Big House, Washington got down twenty one to Maryland and were on the road.

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Speaker 3: I know twenty four in the fourth quarter to win. Washington is a tough team, Like the only team they've lost to is Owaha State.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do they do really well? Throw the ball? Well, they got a good running back, they do rpo, they get the ball out really asked. I think, what's the quarterbacks name for usc? Mayava? Mayava? He got They were showing it during the game like he was eating the ball out in like one point three seconds. Good play, like getting the ball making fast decisions. Like the pass rush. They're like they know our pass rush is really good. And they just, oh, they know our pass rush is really good, so they just decided to.

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Speaker 2: Take care of it.

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Speaker 1: They did a great They did a great job. They did it. There's some scheme things I wasn't a fan of, but at the end of the day, it's mazing blue. We got to handle the Huskies.

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Speaker 2: Can I say this though ahead, You did not disappear Saturday night. You were vulnerable, you were hurt, and you were bleeding, but you were texting through it. You were texting through I was texting through it. And there are a lot of parentheses after the text.

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Speaker 1: I just text Peyton, I'm like, I'm so sorry, because his whole thing was I got a Michigan problem until Michigan proves me wrong. And I'm like, hey, I'm I'm so sorry. We let you down. Literally the next play probably underword to Marsh sixty four yard bomb, we're probably down.

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Speaker 2: We're backing it, we're probably yeah, yeah, yeah, we're probably not.

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Speaker 1: Like we're trying to reverse psychology. Text that text mess exactly what I needed to do.

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Speaker 2: Because remember that's all we needed after the Nebraska game. For the viewers who don't know, you're laying on the field out there and it's tough. You've lost, and I've lost a bet you've won. I go in the Michigan locker room with you. You're celebrating, You're holding up the bus and bowl trophy. Everyone's happy in there, and I just kind of got to stand off on the cycles. I'm the only guy in that whole room that picked Michigan to lose the game. But and in the Michigan locker room after the game, and everyone keeps making eye contact with me. You keep making eye contact with me. Everyone keeps making eye contact with me, And I'm in there learning a lesson. I'm just never going against this team again. When I'm on the fence, I'm gonna I'm gonna ride with Michigan. And I rode with Michigan and we crashed. This is what it feels like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good you Were you riding with Michigan for the Michigan problem or did you, in your heart of hearts think Michigan was gonna win that game?

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Speaker 2: Kind of both The model liked Michigan. I thought I liked Michigan. I had the Michigan problem to overcome. So now what do I do. I'm probably gonna pick them begin against Washington. I don't really know what to do. I feel like no matter what. I feel like no matter what, because see, I thought Kansas may have Texas Tech on upset alert a little bit too, so I said it, and then I get text from the Texas Tech staff after they blow him out. Hey bro, you helped us out. Thanks. That puts me in a no win position. If I vocalize that someone's on upset alert and then they weaponize it in their building and the upset doesn't happen because of me. What do we really do at that point? Do I just write all my picks in an envelope, don't say it on air?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, these were my picks. Yeah, you should do that one week. Trust it keeps going.

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Speaker 2: Trust bee bro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it is. You've put yourself in this position though, going back to sitting in the car listening people open stuff up, putting the volume down, and going through the whole segment yourself. You've done great now people.

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Speaker 2: Listen hoops to amongst us thought it would turn into this though not.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how are you feeling about the rest of the season for Michigan.

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Speaker 1: It's all winnable, like, but how are you feeling when.

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Speaker 3: You watch, because again I had USC and my whole thought process was the way Michigan goes about things offensively, like as far as a lot of it has moved the pocket, you're wanting to run the ball. The way the resume that they had was they had these these big explosive runs by your running backs that kind of you know, it's got Haynes top of the league or top of the country in rushing yards and everything else. But it's like if teams are able to keep the explosives from happening and you're behind.

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Speaker 2: And they broke explosives on your.

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Speaker 3: Right and you're behind, like, it's just it doesn't seem like a team that's built to like come from behind keep up offensively. So that's where my question comes in. Like, when you have washing coming in, you kind of look at the rest of the year and you kind of see what Michigan has been doing offensively from your vantage point when you're watching at home, it's like, how are you feeling about the Michigan one?

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Speaker 1: When when I'm watching that game, there's so many things that I look at that's okay, that's all you can fix that The mistackles you can fix like USC goes down in the first drive and Scoes seven should have been off. Its pass interference should have absolutely been off. It's a pass interference. However it wasn't. And then we go and it's like, Okay, the noise has been what you just said. Michion has to run the football to be successful. They get these explosives. If you take away the explosives, then Michigan's not. But it's like you can say that all you want. However, it's like Michigan, Hey, don't get the explosives, but every game, Michigan gets the explosives. So like what kind of back and forth we really did with it? Seemed to me that like Michigan was really starting to find in the Wisconsin game, they're a passing threat, where it's like, Okay, McCaulay starts to come on a little bit. This Mars kid, who's a five star freshman, he's really starting to figure out the playbook. He's got great hands. During the course of the game, you realize these guys have really put a lot of intention in the drop ball. So I think there was maybe one, if not zero. So it's like, okay, you see there's some level of course correction there. But you start the first game with a three and out and you try to throw the ball three times, and it's like, well, that's not what we're saying. When we need to have a vertical threat, it's like, let's utilize the run game. We know the safety's going to come in the box. We know for everybody's playing Michigan, you've got to stop the run, So take advantage of it with the pass and be a little more fifty to fifty. Be creative in your past, be creative in your motions, and it just seemed like Lincoln Riley had a better game plan going into that from an offensive standpoint against our defense, and their defense put us in third and long situations and we're able to feast. Like it's said sometimes when it's snowballs. Looking to the rest of the year, I think there's a lot of times where teams are a lot better than the way they played, and that's the mission is a perfect example for that. They got their ass kicked. And now you go into a team that everyone in the Big Ten respects. Washington is a football club. You get them in the East Coast time zone, you get them for them what would be at nine am kickoff, because it's playing at eleven or noon, and so now it's like, okay, let's run the ball effectively, Let's be creative.

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Speaker 3: Let's move the.

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Speaker 1: Pockwet Brice underward and show sustained drives. Let our defense have a comeback game and say, hey, I know we've failed last game because we have five hundredards off. It's put on us. But let's let's redirect receivers at the line of scrimmage. Let's push back the offensive line. Let's form tackle and if we're not a good position to be to tackle, let's slow a guide down so the calvalry can come. Let's see team football starting to happen, because all these games are winnable. And then you've got ohiosted at the end of the year, which we've been four and oh against. So it's like it's not like the season's over. It's just now you've put yourself in a position where it's basically a win and go home. If you think you're a college football team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's about USC man, USC look good.

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Speaker 2: This is the week.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: Who they play this week?

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Speaker 2: They are playing at Notre Dame this week. Yeah, a lot of Southern cow fans wanted to paint last week as the statement week, and I was very careful because I don't believe that was a statement, because I don't believe you make a statement against teams your favorite against. You make a statement by going on the road. You do the whole cross country time zone thing. You go play a team that is physically superior to you, has been talent wise superior to you, in part because the general manager for you now is who put that roster together in Chad Boden. That would be the statement to me. But it wasn't very impressive that USC did what they did. They held Michigan. I think there long as we run was thirteen yards, by the way, So they totally inverted the game script the way people like me and you thought it would play out. Okay, Now, if USC were to go to Notre Dame and win, two things happened there. Notre Dame's out of the playoff. That's the first thing that happens. The second thing that happens is USC is a bona fide playoff threat. Third thing that happens is you all of a sudden look at Oregon's schedule down the road, and you realize, oh wow, USC goes to Oregon in November, and that becomes a monster game. So a bunch of dominoes could fall Saturday just with that game, and then the fourth domino up the road in ann Arbor is We're sitting in this world where James Franklin, who I assume we're about to talk about, was in overtime with Oregon top five ranking sixteen days ago and now he's out of a job, which shows you how fast things can change in college football right now, so I'm thinking about everybody. But since we were just talking about Michigan, Michigan is a two lost team right now.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Washington line opened at like five and a half at home, not a lot of separation there. But yet no one will be thinking on Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday of this week really worried about Washington Michigan. That's a Michigan thing. Only the rest of the college football public's not thinking about that. Right If all of a sudden, Washington pulls an upset and that just gets sprung on America Saturday, the noise would be turned from like three to seven on the Michigan staff. I like those dudes, like I would prefer that not to happen, but I would have preferred it not to happen to James either. So I'm just saying, man, there are a lot of conversations happening behind the scenes because that snowball got kicked downhill with Penn State, and now the folks at Auburn are talking, the folks at Florida are talking, the folks at Michigan have been whispering a little bit. I think it turns into an outright talk, not a scream, but an not right talk if that happens Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The bummer about that is the Michigan Twitter world, the social media world of Michigan is louder than ever about that circumstance. And I think it's a you've got to essentially went out to a hot state for the fan base. I don't know what goes on behind with everybody else, but like for me, like as soon as the game in text, sure on, hey man, keep your head up, yeah, gotta keep it going, yeah, like the boys hopefully hopefully everyone's healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I want to be very clear, So when we're talking about this like, I think a lot of this is insane. I thought it was crazy the way they were talking about Ryan Day last year. I learned it doesn't matter what I think, because I learned I'm not making decisions in these athletic departments. And in some cases boosters are, in other cases administrators are. So what I learned to do is just echo the reality. The reality, regardless of whether I like it or not, is there's gonna be a ton of noise around him. But they don't win Saturday, and if they don't keep on winning, like I think eight and four puts them on very thin ice with hot blades, and they're a two loss team right now.

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Speaker 1: And here here's let's let's go down the world. Can you actually pull up? What was I going to say to pull up? I forget what it was you mentioned something. Anyway, I started going down the avenue of like, okay, what's our well, it's our recruiting class. Look like, what kind of things do we need where we're top ten recruiting class? Yep, you have a lot of key freshman sophomore guys that are playing already that are showing a lot of like, oh hey, we got some guys coming up. What happens and you got Bryce Underwood, and you got Bryce Underwood. What happens if that staff isn't there next year?

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Speaker 2: Okay, remember this, So two things are happening. Firstly, Michigan recruits itself. That's the first thing they're banking on. That rather Yeah, that Michigan recruits itself. Guys are there for Michigan, not for one coach, whether that's real or not. That's what they're banking on. Number two, the rule just changed in the NCAA. It was up until about five minutes ago. If your coach gets fired, your entire roster can enter the portal for the next thirty days and your class falls apart and whatever. Now the rule for your roster is you got to wait till the next coach is hired, which may or may not be legal, but that's the rule right now. So your roster's not going to immediately evaporate. Number two, Michigan is very very well bankrolled, So I think before they ever made a move, in a hypothetical alternate universe where they made a coach move, I think they would proactively make sure all their guys are locked up and taking care of financially roster wise before they ever touched the coaching staff. So I don't really see this cataclysmic falling apart of the recruiting class falling a part of the roster unless guys are just so loyal to your current head coach. This goes for anyone unless they're just so loyal that they want to make a statement, Yeah, you fired my guy. That's why I was here. I'm out. Some of that may happen with Penn State. I don't know what's gonna happen with Penn State's roster.

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Speaker 1: You see the I think Penn State had like the number two running back. Yeah, I thought that header kid was the number one running back. Got you twenty twenty seven running back? I think even before the game, he's like, I'm not one hundred percent committed to Penn State anymore. After James Frainer gets fired, he's now decommitted from Penn State. So yeah, I mean there's a lot of things that happened, just other than a head coach decides or a program besides the firehead coach. All these kids are looking at that and like, Okay, I want stability in my life. One thing you do like I didn't realize that's so important when I was going to college. Is like, is the head coach going to be there for all four years? When you were there, I had to go through two coaches. You were able to play your whole career with one coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of recruits are pretty I guess. Look, I speak for myself, like I committed mainly to the coaching staff. I feel like a lot of recruits basically commit to the coaching staff. I know everybody says, like, pick the school, pick the school, and that could be great advice, but I feel like you just get caught up in your relationships with the staff. You want them to be there the whole time. So when somebody when they leave, if they leave, make either lateral move or get fired or whatever. I feel like that kind of affects the roster. What do you see happening? We have a tier talk here from Jared Ladd hashtag tear talk. Where does Franklin go from here? Part of me seeing like I've just been in the Nebraska world. But it's happened at Auburn, it's happened at Florida. But when Nebraska fired Polini because they're so fed up with nine ten win seasons. Then you just see the decade downturn of what Nebraska and the fans and the world has had to go through since firing Bo Polini. Where do you think think Franklin goes from here? What do you think it means for Penn State? Do you think Penn State is gonna hit when they get this next head coach, whoever it may be.

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Speaker 2: If I were him, you wouldn't see me for either you wouldn't see me for two years or I'd go do TV. Because I've got a theory on this. Like my theory is, I think when you're fired, if you're fired as a head coach right now, James Franklin, for example, very high profile coach. Okay, so been very successful up until the last two weeks, basically been very successful. Dan Mullen got fired at Florida. Dan Mullen did it right. Dan Mullen went and sat on TV for a few years, and you're just a genius on TV. You get to be the one who second guesses, You get to be the one who doesn't have to make the call and live with the consequences. You just get to commentate. You get to do what we do all the time. All coaches sound like geniuses on TV. All coaches stocks go up on TV. Go sit on TV. You're making buyout money anyway, they're gonna have to pay you fifty plus million dollars. See your family go sit on a beach every now and then. But also what you do privately, behind the scenes, is you circulate sort of your James Franklin two point zero plan, or here are the lessons I learned, Here's why it went sideways at Penn State. Here's how I'm going to acclimate to the new landscape of college football. If you hire me, here's who i'd hire, blah blah blah. Then you wait and you select the on ramp back to coaching. That's what I would do. I don't think he's going to do that. Everything I've heard is he's looking to get right back into coaching, like maybe the UCLA job for example.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he looks at that, he says, taken.

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Speaker 2: That's actually true. Job looks okay, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, yeah, I'll get that.

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Speaker 3: I'm confident. Look, if everybody else is on board with it, is that.

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Speaker 2: A state college area code.

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Speaker 3: If the entire college football world's on board with it. I'm good with UCLA just being two to zero and they've just had they had they get to reset their season with this interim head coach because they've been on fire just these last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get I can get on that. I think you say it might have to be ranked now they're undefeated team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're undefeated right now with him, with him as a head coach.

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Speaker 2: They are what I needed South Carolina to be. It's BRIT's brewin Tober. It's not October right now, it's brewin Tober.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Then again, Oklahoma comes to town Saturday, so let's see anyway money line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oklahoma money line this week? Oh sorry, except for lying them. Yeah, my fault, my fault, my fault.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting.

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Speaker 3: But also for Penn State fans celebrating this in such a way, do you feel like.

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Speaker 2: I don't believe Greener? Yeah, I get it though.

00:24:31
Speaker 3: That's where I sit there and think, like I had a close friend of mine, Jeff d Low. He hits me up. I think he's a Yes. I think he sent me a clip of yours and was just talking about like it being he's of the camp of happy Franklin's out of there. It needed to happen. He fails or as this is on the banner one and eighteen against top what is it, top five, Top ten opponents or AP opponents, And I'm sitting there message with him. I'm like, hey, I feel you, bro, I promise you I feel you. But the only experience I have is same kind of thing, like a fan base is so fed up with bo Polini. I was like, now, I don't think you guys go out and higher, you know, like an average coach, like we ended up going out and getting Mike Ryleery that kind. I started the buy and then we completely whipped on Scott Frost. I don't think that'll happen because they have the resources, they have the funds.

00:25:19
Speaker 1: There's got to be a.

00:25:20
Speaker 2: Sure thing out there. It doesn't matter if you got well billions of dollars is different, But it doesn't matter whether you're well resourced. If you're paying fifty plus million dollars to fire a guy or you're just getting rid of them, even if you didn't have to pay the buyout, although that's reality, so you're paying the buyout. There's got to be a definitive upgrade right for you to be confident. So I understand Penn State fan cinema. First off, you're looking at Ohio State and you're saying to yourself, Man, I invest emotionally like my buddy Mike does. I invest financially like my buddy Mike, the season ticket holder at Ohio State does. Why can't I get the results he gets? Why can't we get the results they get? Why can't we get the results Michigan's gotten. They've both won At the end, it was Signetti yeah, and then he makes a lot of people look bad because he's doing it way quicker than everyone who's been there a long time. But you're looking at it and you're saying, Okay, I don't want to just be very good. I would rather take my chances and jump into the fog and try and grab the grate. But with the risk that we fall into terrible I would just rather take that risk. That's emotion thinking. That is not logic thinking. But I understand it because you're not supposed to be logical as a fan. You're not supposed to So I'm sitting on the outside, I'm not emotional about it, and I'm trying to be more logical. And I'm trying to say you could do two things at once. You could admit we've just been pretty good. We haven't been great. We want to be great. He needs to make changes to be great. Okay, that's hand a while hand B also says, man, there's so much further you could fall and making this move than room to climb. And so I look at that proposition and I say, does it really make sense to make the move? Does it really make sense to pull the trigger and fire him, not put pressure on him, fire him? And I thought the answer was no. I thought it's insane. They got's thirty four and eight with three double digit win seasons over the past three years. He was I cannot stress this enough for people who were mainly NFL and just kind of dabbling college. The guy was in overtime against Oregon sixteen days ago with a top five ranking next to his name and the lead in the game. And he's out of a job now, twelve years in to his tenure. And remember when he took the job, they weren't that far removed from crippling scandal Like Penn State had huge stains on their brand that extended well beyond football publicly when you mentioned Penn State, no one taught football. They talked other terrible stuff, And James Franklin comes in and correct me if I'm wrong. There hasn't been a whiff of scandal since he's been there. So my thinking was just how does this guy not have more equity built up than this?

00:27:44
Speaker 3: How much?

00:27:44
Speaker 2: How much very very good can you turn in before people just get fed up with very good and in pursuit of great take this kind of risk because this is a huge risk. And like you said, Okay, if you want to go and you want to upgrade, that's fine. If there were a guaranteed upgrade out there, I would support this move. James Franklin himself logically couldn't push back on this move. If you told James, hey, so and so is available, like Nick Sabe Kirby Smart, Kirby Smart's available and he wants to come to Penn State, even James Franklin would have to say, yeah, you guys got to make this move. Favared my money, You got to make this move. Kirby's not available, None of the top coaches are available. So again we're not talking about Penn State having been terrible. We're talking about them floating in about the eight to fifteen range right over the past few years. So to upgrade, you've either got to go get one of the top eight coaches in the country, none of whom are going to leave where they are right now. Or you've got to have such a sure fire candidate out there. Maybe it's a hot shot coordinator, or maybe it's a coach that I don't know is like re emerging on the landscape and you're gonna be his final step. You're hiring for the next fifteen years. I don't see that. Like, do you know, I'm a huge Matt Campbell guy. I'd hire him tomorrow if I had an opening. But even I'll admit, with Matt Campbell, that's not such a sure slam. I'm dunk that I'm gonna fire James Franklin and pay him fifty million dollars not to work here anymore, because I think Matt Campbell may work out there. Like Matt Campbell's a ball coach, and I get tout him until the sun goes down today, and I think he would be a home run higher for whoever had a job opening, because he's done great things at a historically terrible program at Iowa State. I don't know that I'm paying fifty million dollars to get the other guy out of the seat just to find out though. That's where my head's out.

00:29:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta you have to know, Okay, we're getting we're making this big of a move in sixteen days. They have to know on their head, we know who are next guys? And that text mess just going out that burner phone has come out and be like, hey, what do you think? Yeah, I would make that move.

00:29:39
Speaker 3: Do you think they know who their target is or who their guy is? Like, you're very connected in the college football world and what you've seen because you watch Listen. We'll be watching Thursday night football and I see you tweeting about some game that's happening in college football.

00:29:53
Speaker 2: Not some game. It's Miami Ohio Toledo.

00:29:57
Speaker 3: That's an instinct rivalry game. So he coaches coordinators up and comers, like, what is this list looking like for Penn State? Like what are coaches that are you know, for any of the jobs that might be opening up.

00:30:10
Speaker 1: Before you answer that question, CBS had a whole report on this. Have you seen that CBS report those are your friends.

00:30:17
Speaker 2: I can't remember which report it was.

00:30:18
Speaker 1: Maybe it was about who the next head coaches. They said, and I quote, it starts here and it finishes here.

00:30:25
Speaker 3: I saw that one. I saw that one. You're talking about my boy, You're talking about my second father.

00:30:29
Speaker 1: I think I think the odds came out too, and your boy is the number one front runner right here.

00:30:35
Speaker 3: Hang on to your talk. Need Josh Bake to whisper in my ear that rule won't go to Penn State.

00:30:39
Speaker 1: If you're talking, turbulence is happening. The flight attendants looking at us that she's not good right now, Hey, having a conversation. We're having a conversation.

00:30:48
Speaker 3: Doors shut, bust, door shut. I'm looking at you, okay.

00:30:53
Speaker 2: I know, and you know, and you know that I know that you know that that's your burner. I know that, and I know that you want me to put your mind at ease.

00:31:02
Speaker 4: And you know.

00:31:02
Speaker 2: I think it would be terrible if Matt left Nebraska to go to Penn State. I think the CBS report is right that that's their target because I think Pat Craft and Matt rule. I mean, if you and I vacation together and I'm the ad somewhere, and I think that the job that I have control love is superior to the job you have. Yeah, I'm going to offer you the job. That's not the question. The question is not is that their target? Because I think that may be their target. The question is going to be is he willing to leave? That's going to be the question. Yeah, yes, he's gonna be willing to leave.

00:31:34
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm I'm saying I understand. I understand what you're saying. I think the rumors are very real. I think the pressure will be at an all time high, and I think it just comes down to what's in coach rules, brain and heart.

00:31:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.

00:31:49
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to say he's not leaving. I hope that these that these rumors aren't true, that they're not targeting. I think all of that is very real. I just I don't know what is in his heart, mind and soul because I know he was a walk on there. I know he's an East Coast guy. I know he's got you know, ties, their family, ties, friends, everything like Penn State. When he came and took the Nebraska job, You've kind of understood a little bit of this. Now I'm understanding more of it. So I don't know what's going on in his brain, but I do know that in my opinion, he's grown and as he's been there. He's on his third year now. He absolutely loves Nebraska. His wife, his family loves Nebraska. He moved his family, He moved some of his family over to Lincoln, Nebraska. His wife has a business in Nebraska, his son is a sophomore at unl At Nebraska, you get everything you want at Nebraska, money, resources, facilities, you got recruiting classes. He's got a lot of things set up to where it's like you have some business that not only finished, but you can be a legacy guy at the University of Nebraska. I'm not talking anybody in particular, but we got a lot of good shit happening in Lincoln to where I just I think that as real as him and him being boys with the A D. But he's also very much great friends boys with the ad Troy Dana and at Nebraska. I think that this is now he's got emotional ties year and this is a program that he legitimately wants to build and win championships with.

00:33:23
Speaker 1: Do you know who Greg Madison is?

00:33:26
Speaker 3: I know who Greg maddox Is.

00:33:30
Speaker 1: Was yeah, both white moles. He was a defensive cornator. I think he was with the Ravens for a little bit and then it came to the University of Michigan. He loved Michigan. He loved an arbor. His wife, kids, family, everyone moved there. They started themselves a little shop and on Main Street called Rock paper Scissors. It was like a cute trinket store. Right holiday season. What could take place? You go over there, get some fun ornaments for trees. Spootoba would take place. You have a whole bunch of stuff to kind of make your house a little more festive. A year after I left, he went to Ohio State because he had ties at Ohio State, and.

00:34:04
Speaker 2: He's on record saying it's the worst decision of his life. He didn't say that.

00:34:07
Speaker 1: Rock paper Scissors is still there and it's actually functioning very well. When I told my daughter to a game last year, it's just as cute as it was before.

00:34:15
Speaker 2: Okay, where's the thing.

00:34:16
Speaker 3: Listen, listen to me.

00:34:18
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. He opened Rock paper Scissors and that's great.

00:34:21
Speaker 1: His wife opened paper Scisors.

00:34:23
Speaker 2: Matt Rules started a whole brand. He's got a whole podcast.

00:34:25
Speaker 1: I got you, Hey, show me that we talked with his last week. Show me the brand of that podcast. Where's the end?

00:34:33
Speaker 2: Okay, that's just trademarking stuff, you know.

00:34:36
Speaker 1: That's just you can't get a trademark from the school you go to, you coach for it.

00:34:39
Speaker 2: Maybe that's in the reasons house.

00:34:41
Speaker 1: Rules, house rules? Can he easily go to blue and white?

00:34:44
Speaker 3: All?

00:34:45
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, and you and Matt Rule.

00:34:47
Speaker 1: I'm just playing devil's advocate. I want him to stay in the braswer because.

00:34:50
Speaker 2: You think it would be terrible for college football if.

00:34:52
Speaker 1: He left, I thin'd be awful for college football.

00:34:54
Speaker 2: Do I You got to ask yourself this. And this goes for someone who is working a job right now that has nothing to do with football, that just may be watching this. Are you happy when you wake up in the morning and go to work. Most people's answer is no. If Matt Rule's answer is yes, you've got your answer. You don't leave happy. You don't try and get happier than happy. And you've been around him a ton. I've been around him a little bit. Unless he's totally faking it, he seems happy at Nebraska, and if he's happy at Nebraska, then the best thing he can do right now, The best thing Troy Danny can do right now is to make sure you understand, okay, to keep this guy because he's in demand, which is a good thing. By the way, if your guy's not in demand, he sucks. The best thing we can do is make sure we squeeze the sponge as hard as we can to drip every ounce of resource out of the sponge that is Nebraska, because that's what it's going to take to keep any quality candidate at home. And that's what you do right now.

00:35:44
Speaker 3: On doing right there, And it ain't looks we got the facilities something right there. If it's a little extra paid as Holgerson, he ain't take though he gets paid overnight like he's he's made a shitload of money. Now, it's how do you put position this thing? They put it all in. They like getting more players, more talent. Maybe that's it. But I think he stays in Nebraska. But I am aware that this all this rule talk to Penn State is very real.

00:36:11
Speaker 1: But use the term, use the term happy, and it's a point I think we can choice the word where we talk about where Penn State is located at.

00:36:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, but one of the hardest things, hardest things to do for successful people is to get the goalpost to stop moving. I think he's in an incredible spot. I think he wakes up very happy coaching the Nebraska Cornhuskers. What are you laughing about?

00:36:30
Speaker 1: You just your operation? Because literally, here's here's about it, bro, I don't know, hold on, think about this. I'm sitting on this show with my best friend and my second best friend right now, and we're here talking ball. We're talking ball, and I know my job at this point on the show is strictly to push your buttons. Because if it was if it was true, serum was on me. I bet. I really hope Matt Rule doesn't leave. I want to stay at Nebraska, and I'm watching my boy just reach and pick and try to grab anything you can't because all you're saying is right, yeah, put a billion dollar contract in front of them and say you happy, We'll bring anything you want. I just know that the CBS report. You look at the odds, he's number He's number one, and I last week you and I talked about this, like, is Matt Rule gonna go to Penn State?

00:37:18
Speaker 3: Is shut it down?

00:37:19
Speaker 1: Is that a possibility? You shut it down? And like, I just thought, Oh, that's that's an interesting thought process. The minute James Franklin was fired, the Matt Rule headline started and it was bigger than I ever could have imagined. So I am as your best friend. I am afraid for you right now. I'm nervous because where do we go from here if we lose Matt. I know them boys in Nebraska hate my guts because, like, how could you go for Michigan when you were at our spring game and say there might be that's one of the end stands for knowledge. I went to Michigan. So I'm obviously going to go against you guys, but I still love and support you. Guys.

00:37:55
Speaker 3: What happened.

00:37:55
Speaker 1: Let let's play a hypothetical game, and I'm just gonna look at you right now. If that Rule takes the job at Penn State, where does Nebraska go from there? Who do they go get?

00:38:05
Speaker 3: You open up the wall for anybody.

00:38:06
Speaker 1: That's that's the problem, though, is you can't just open up the wall for anybody. You have to go find the right guy and open the wall for that right guy.

00:38:12
Speaker 2: I'm gonna speak for both of us. Here's the answer. If an asteroid drops on your house while you're asleep tonight, what are you going to do tomorrow?

00:38:20
Speaker 3: Nothing because you're dead.

00:38:22
Speaker 2: I don't know what Nebraska would do because I'm not allowing my mind to go there because it's not it's not gonna happen. Okay, But the answer is I would go, like get Alex Golish, I would go get one of these coordinators. Just's begging for a shot. Because you want to talk about legacy, talk about appreciation. And again this is hypothetical.

00:38:42
Speaker 1: Alma Mater. We gotta make sure.

00:38:45
Speaker 2: That is actually.

00:38:46
Speaker 1: We gotta look up wherever that is.

00:38:48
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I don't know why. Like again, I feel very confident with what we've built over the last asteroids not dropping on us. Yeah, Mike Eckler in that Special Teams unit is sitting at the top of the right now. Nebraska, we play a tough Minnesota team this weekond could be the first time we win six games.

00:39:11
Speaker 2: Whatever, Ryan, you're happy, You're happy in Columbia, NFL, will is Ohio State.

00:39:21
Speaker 3: Why do they keep doing this to Ryan?

00:39:23
Speaker 1: Day's not going anywhere. That's good news, that's good unless a Penn State situation happens, that.

00:39:28
Speaker 2: Fan base would never turn on him, that would never.

00:39:31
Speaker 1: Take last year. They were like old Boston, House State or Michigan.

00:39:33
Speaker 3: All good, Nebraska, buddy.

00:39:38
Speaker 1: You always knew that's exactly where this would go.

00:39:41
Speaker 2: We spent three minutes on Penn State.

00:39:43
Speaker 3: Maybe three minutes.

00:39:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, we knew this is where it was gonna go.

00:39:48
Speaker 3: To get back to the A, to get back to the original question. I know we made it about the Husky, But who are these Who do you think these coaches are that will be on these short lists when these you know programs, because I'm sure we are pretty sure that there will be more jobs open than just Penn State.

00:40:06
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, who are these coaches that you.

00:40:07
Speaker 3: Think will be making some big moves in the offseason.

00:40:09
Speaker 2: I think that Matt Campbell is I'm going to go back to him. I mean I might as well be his agent, Like that's how much I believe in him. So Matt Campbell at Iowa State would be my call. Rule's gonna get mentioned with Penn State until the job gets filled. I also think John summer All at Tulane has been ready. I think he's smart enough to wait for the right job to open, probably an SEC job. I think a couple at least of SEC jobs will come open. Alex Golis like we just mentioned at South Florida, Like both of those guys in a previous life would have already left, They would have taken a smaller job. Those guys can just afford to wait for a bigger job. Remember, Arkansas is open right now. Remember Oklahoma State is open right now.

00:40:49
Speaker 1: So Stanford, UCLA, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma State, pennstake.

00:40:52
Speaker 2: Like, I got no clue what you do if you're Virginia Tech, I have no clue what you do your route. Ironically, I don't think James is gonna take Pence or of Virginia Tech. But your route may be to hire a guy who's already making buyout money so that you don't have to break the bank for him, because there's no bank to break there.

00:41:10
Speaker 3: Fun thoughts. Fun thought with some coaching experience, do you look at somebody like from your alma mater, D'Angelo Hall. D Hall has been in the NFL game. Yeah, well my coaching right now, right, and you see d Jack, You see some of these moves as far as like Eddie could be a thought.

00:41:34
Speaker 1: If you're going for these programs, I think there needs to be a higher sample size before you start going giving a d Angel Hall a Nebraska job or a Penn State job.

00:41:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look that's more speculation, like it. But if Dangel Hall was somebody that like wanted to coach at Virginia Tech, that could very much be like a thought, depending if he sits down in the right rooms interviews, well and everything else, and if he's dying for a Virginia Tech job at a legend in not only Virginia Tech but also the NFL, that could bring a lot awareness, excitement, branding, because Virginia Tech has been in a hole for a long time, since since like the two thousands, that first decade in the two thousands.

00:42:11
Speaker 1: Staying on the coaching and you brought up Tulane SEC. We know that Hugh Freeze is probably on the hot seat. Little bit. We've talked about billion Naper.

00:42:18
Speaker 2: All Saturday is a big game for Hugh Freeze. He can play Missouri. It's all caps. Do you understand what I'm telling you?

00:42:25
Speaker 3: Fully picking up with Big Saturday on.

00:42:28
Speaker 2: The planes for Hugh Freeze?

00:42:29
Speaker 1: If okay, those two we know billionnap here and Hugh Freeze. What about Brett Venables? Is there any noise there? You lose a Texas at the Red Way the way you do if sorry shootout, if my tears thumb doesn't get better, and they go through this sec process where it was kind of a hot seat situation before the season started.

00:42:50
Speaker 3: Before the game.

00:42:51
Speaker 1: Cocks, Let's say they lose to the Cocks. What's the rest of Oklahoma schedule. Let's just say it.

00:42:55
Speaker 2: Let's just say it all ranked teams.

00:42:57
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're they're in they're in a cock Mo November type of situation. Soon members, let's just call it a tough schedule. Yeah, let's yeah, it's tough schedule. Let's say it doesn't go the way they want. Is Brett Vennables who was on who was kind of on this like theoretical hot seaton before the season started. Is that a situation where there's a vacant job at Oklahoma?

00:43:18
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, yeah, that's another one.

00:43:20
Speaker 1: I could have took way less time to a second.

00:43:22
Speaker 2: It's another one that's not on the radar yet because they started the season hot, right, you're looking at I'm just I'm trying. I've tried to tell you guys, like two weeks ago, I've been alluding to this the reason that schedule. So that's the reason it's going.

00:43:33
Speaker 3: To South Carolina, oh, miss Tennessee, Alabama, Missouri and finished with LSU.

00:43:40
Speaker 2: That you got a good season going eight and four there. If you go eight and four against that, that's a good season. Here's the problem, something called the recalibration of expectation, a theory I have not presented on the show yet, has happened with Oklahoma. If Oklahoma lost to Michigan in Week two, people would have never recalibrated their mentality to think Oklahoma be a contender because they would have had a loss already.

00:44:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.

00:44:02
Speaker 2: But the problem for Oklahoma, ironically, is they beat Michigan. So people forgot their preseason expectations and they recalibrated on the fly, and all of a sudden, Oklahoma became a contender. Well, then John Mattier got his hand hurt, and then they lost to Texas, and now people aren't thinking eight and four is okay. Now people are thinking eight and four given what my recalibrated expectations were, would be a disaster. We need to get rid of him. Now you may think that's crazy or not. Again, I think it's crazy. James Franklin just lost his job, but it doesn't make him any less unemployed this morning than he is. Yes, I do think Oklahoma they believe they've got the entire infrastructure in place, which they do, by the way, and they believe if there's only one shortcoming, if there's only one faulty wire here, and it happens to be the head coach, that's a plug and play, and that would be a very desirable job. And they're right about that. And I've talked to some coaches about that. And now Oklahoma's looked at a little bit differently in the SEC, Like Oklahoma is the program that has this overlap of rougher around the edges, blue collar roll up your sleeves mentality that some coaches love, but it overlaps with that SEC money and other places aren't like that. Like other places, they're rich and they know it. Oklahoma's rich, but you can tell their first generation rich like they still wear jeans, they still tuck the T shirt in, there's no belt on. There's stains on the jeans too, so you know they've been out working in the back before they come in for dinner. That's kind of how Oklahoma is. So I say all that to say yes to that, and then there's a big question on screen up there, if you want to ask me that question, because I got an answer for that one too.

00:45:31
Speaker 1: Is Mike novel safe?

00:45:32
Speaker 2: I got no idea because they'd have to pay him sixty million because when the Alabama job came open, Jimmy Sexton fleeced FSU and got them to sign a renegotiated deal that puts Mike at about I think fifty nine and change million in buyout money if they were to fire him this year. Now here's the plus side. He did take a one year reduced salary, so you only have to pay him six and change this year, and then he goes right back to ten. I think they have eight conference games in a row in a god awful acc They can't get up for any games except Alabama. They got up for them this year. They're they're not built like there is no future there because they've just relied on the portal, so they haven't recruited anything. So even though it's bad this year, normally it's bad, but maybe you look ahead and say Okay, when our young guys become juniors will be good. They don't have that there, right, So.

00:46:24
Speaker 1: With three twenty three transfers going into the year, yep, yeah, that's that's uh going on coaches that might go to bigger and better jobs, possibly Texas Tech. McGuire, Is he a possibility out of Penn State in the hypothetical world to Nebraska?

00:46:39
Speaker 3: A hypothetically hypothetically in Oklahoma? Uh, Michigan.

00:46:45
Speaker 2: I wouldn't leave there if I were.

00:46:46
Speaker 3: Hold on, there's a hypothetical world, there's a there's a more I think, a more hypothetical world with Michigan than Nebraska.

00:46:52
Speaker 2: Wait a second, so on the on the hypothetical tree, I mean.

00:46:59
Speaker 1: With you hypothetical, you're like more. I'm like, I'm seeing odds that it's the search starts and ends with matt rule and you're like, hypothetically.

00:47:09
Speaker 3: We'll see who's laughing at the end of the season.

00:47:12
Speaker 2: He took the knife out of Penn State's hands and gave it to you, and you put it in A.

00:47:18
Speaker 1: Tailor is oldest time. A tailor's oldest time on this bus, Hey, you know what we need to do? O Son is at Nebraska that's good.

00:47:26
Speaker 2: That's that's news to me.

00:47:27
Speaker 3: Actually that is that. Yeah, yeah, no, that's real. He's on his staff, he's on coach real staff.

00:47:35
Speaker 1: Things might be up in Nebraska, hypothetically. Hypothetically, we've already gone through a coaching change and everything.

00:47:42
Speaker 3: I just went to Equalizer with Denzel where he takes the gun and points it back at him.

00:47:46
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, we're having fun.

00:47:48
Speaker 3: We're having a good time out of here.

00:47:52
Speaker 2: Listen, do you think you shouldn't leave? Okay, I want to take you guys out there. I don't know that business regularly takes either of you through Lubbock, Texas.

00:48:01
Speaker 3: I just I just don't think you.

00:48:02
Speaker 2: Guys regularly like travel through that part of Texas, So it would have to be a one off. Their facilities are off the charts, insane. They've got unbelievable money out there. Cody Campbell, all those commercials he's doing, like, that's the same guy that bank rolls Texas Tech. He is tied into Texas. Joey was a high school coach for like thirty years. Here's been a coach in Texas for thirty years. Most of those were Texas high school. So He's kind of just uniquely woven into the Texas culture. And so the jobs I think he would leave Texas Tech for were if the Texas job or the A and M job ever came open and they all stayed in the state. Yeah, Like, I just think he fits there. I think he'd be a total fish out of water at Nebraska or a Penn State or whatever. Maybe Oklahoma fits just a small little Maybe Oklahoma fits you talking about.

00:48:49
Speaker 1: The blue collar but we got money the whole thing. Yeah, Texas, Texas Tech.

00:48:54
Speaker 2: Texas Tech's awesome right now.

00:48:55
Speaker 1: They seem like true contenders. Yeah, we could actually see them playing in the national championship. Yeah, them in Indiana both. Yeah, you can't see through them right now, you really can't. Kurt signetty buddy, I love him. I think he is hilarious.

00:49:09
Speaker 3: His name is coming up basically any potential job that could be happening. Yeah, so what do you see with Signetti?

00:49:15
Speaker 2: It makes sense that his name would come up, Like if I were Penn State, I was talking about Matt Campbell so much. I got to tell you because I left out some context, I would call Signety before I call anybody. I don't get the feeling Kurt Signetti's just in a hurry to leave Indiana for Penn State. People don't realize how much money he makes there. He's making as much at Indiana with his renewed contract as James was making at Penn State. So you're already matching the dollars. You've got way less pressure on you. You are now and as long as you want to be the face of Indiana football, there was no before you. Right, there is no shadows? Are you are Indiana football? And also, do we just know that he is dying to go to state college Pennsylvania. I don't know that I've actually heard the opposite. Now, maybe have some other jobs can open, maybe he entertains that, But.

00:50:01
Speaker 1: What other jobs are he entertained?

00:50:03
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we just got the news that Michigan is gonna come open, Like Michigan is highly likely to come I would look at uh. I'm just saying, do you.

00:50:12
Speaker 1: Think Signetty would want to go to Michigan?

00:50:14
Speaker 2: D yes, Yes, the Michigan job is Michigan. You're down. No way he could be sitting in this chair less than a year from now. Yeah, welcome to Michigan.

00:50:29
Speaker 1: Right, No, Swan Moore is he's woven in the fabric and national championship coach. Mean, he was the head coach during Penn State, during Maryland, which I said in the championship year was gonna be the hardest game Ohio State, Like he was a part of those.

00:50:45
Speaker 3: I wish he was on the sideline in Nebraska. That's it.

00:50:48
Speaker 1: That hurt people, hurt people.

00:50:50
Speaker 3: So I do have a question what we just saw with the Penn State and James Franklin, like the whole very very good these years. Obviously he didn't win a championship there. But Dabo Sweeney, could there be any movement with Clemson if they were to drop you know, just another real if you're going to lose a couple more games. But if they lose another bad game, Like what are there conversations happening at Clemson?

00:51:16
Speaker 2: Not that I know of. That one would be off the radar, out of left field to me. I know when you say conversations, I know what you mean. There are absolutely conversations of hey, what's our future going to be? But not conversations of hey, we got a meeting tomorrow morning ten am. We're about to discuss immediate termination of our head coach. No, I don't think those conversations are happening like North Carolina though with Belichick.

00:51:38
Speaker 3: That's that's But you got to think about.

00:51:41
Speaker 2: How many jobs we're stacking on top of each other right now. At some point you got to look at the coaching market and say, might we just wait a year? Do we really want to compete against all of these other programs that are coming open.

00:51:52
Speaker 1: JP had a great take on this. When who they lose to We're Clemson, they lost to it, and this is when Dabo's kind of have to crash out the podium. Maybe George Yah, it's probably Georgia Tech. And JP was like, Clemson's got to remember who they were before debo because they were nothing right they were. It was a it was a bad program. It's been too long, too long.

00:52:11
Speaker 2: And then like you lose.

00:52:12
Speaker 1: Dabbo, who is, like you say, woven in the fabric of a culture, like he is Clemson. You gotta keep him there, let him die there.

00:52:20
Speaker 4: Brian Kelly will be gone by.

00:52:23
Speaker 3: Okay.

00:52:23
Speaker 1: JP just said Brian Kelly will be gone by the interview. Every coach besides who Brian days together?

00:52:33
Speaker 2: Guys who will keep their Yeah, that's what it's turning into we can't finish the sheet.

00:52:37
Speaker 1: The Brian Kelly thing, that's another one too, is they win that first game against Clemson. The recalibration you're kind of talking about is like, oh ship, we're we're That's all we needed was when the first get Yeah, we want to see an opener. And now it's like, yeah it is. Brian Kelly.

00:52:51
Speaker 3: Is he safe?

00:52:52
Speaker 1: Because I know there was like a whole lot of oil and water type of mixture when it came to l s U, Baton Rouge and Brian Kelly's personality.

00:53:00
Speaker 3: So right now he's winning, Yeah, wells winning.

00:53:03
Speaker 2: He's another guy who's got this not quite Oklahoma stretch in the second half of the season. But he's got a tough stretch now. I will say, is we're sitting here talking, it's the Monday following the South Carolina game. They only would they score JP twenty? Yeah, yeah, they only scored twenty the other night two red zone turnovers. I actually thought their offense showed more promise than I've seen at any point this year. Doesn't really matter if it doesn't click. That is one of two places LSU and Oklahoma where neither guy's on an immediate hot seat, and I'm not saying they are. Those are two places that, because of the schedules they're about to play, could turn on a dime down the stretch. Hot seat talk could crank up immediately. And those are two places that view themselves rightfully so as organizations that are built very strongly. And if all you had to do was remove the star above the Christmas tree and put a brighter star on top of it would be a very desirable tree to be placed on top of.

00:53:59
Speaker 3: I love that.

00:54:00
Speaker 2: It's really technical terminology. I'm sorry if I lost you there.

00:54:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, I followed. It took me a second, but I got there. You want to be an upright star on a nice tree.

00:54:06
Speaker 2: You don't want to go have to find a new tree in the woods.

00:54:08
Speaker 3: Right.

00:54:09
Speaker 2: The tree's nice, it's decorated, we got the tensil. We got real popcorn. It's not even the fake popcorn.

00:54:13
Speaker 1: Every year in my house, it's a it's a headache every year.

00:54:15
Speaker 2: And do it at LSU and Oklahoma.

00:54:17
Speaker 3: Watching ball, Dude, I I love how college football is such a roller coaster because this is the most fun year for you. Yeah, I think these are like one of the This is like one of the best years in college because anybody, it feels like, can be anybody just up in the air.

00:54:31
Speaker 2: One more thing I was talking to like fifty agents yesterday, and one thing they kept saying is something that's right in front of your face and you're not realizing it that we're having to deal with right now, is we have been used to forever. Towards the end of the season, guys get fired and then coaching searches start to happen behind the scenes, but it's always it's never going to be public or finalized until the end of the year, all right, So if you don't make a bowl game, it happens early December. And if you're going to a bowl or if maybe if you're going to play all for national championship, you agree if you're a coordinator. Kirby Smart once stayed with Alabama through the national title game even though he had taken the Georgia job. That was the old school way of doing things. But no one used to fire guys in October. Now everyone's getting fired in October. And these agents were talking to me yesterday and they were saying, you know, we're not hearing from these universities. They want to wait to the end of the season. They want to do the search now to walk that through to a conclusion. What that means is theoretically, if Penn State were to try and go get Signetti or go get Matt Campbell, or go get someone else, they want it to happen during the season. I don't even understand how that functions.

00:55:40
Speaker 1: Yes, so they went and got Matt Campbell, will use his name. Would they say, Okay, we've hired Matt. Gets November fifth, Matt Campbell's the next head coach of Penn State. And then at Campbell just goes to Penn State I think coach at Iowa State for the rest of the I think he coaches.

00:55:55
Speaker 3: Like say they're playing, say they're in the Costable Playoff, like he coaches through or maybe who knows, but he's finishing out the year. But it would probably work the same fashion it would like the NFL to where somebody might somebody's gonna leak it. It's not gonna be the team coming out saying this is gonna be our next head coach. Because to your point, what's probably going to start happening is these coaches, these staves are going to be interviewing during the season right over zoom. Uh, you know, on the phone face not They won't be flying and going face to face unless because that right there again, you're gonna you're gonna that's gonna get leaked. It's all gonna get leaked. But staves are, like head coaches are going to be interviewing on the phone on zoom during the season.

00:56:36
Speaker 1: Not just head coaches, but like coordinators as well. Yeah, who's the OC from Missouri? Yeah, it's it's all good. We can forget his name of a second, Are there he already interviewed for the Arkansas.

00:56:47
Speaker 3: Job middle Yeah, yeah, yeah, there you go. But are you do you Are you hearing about any coordinators in the college football circuit that could be potential hot names?

00:56:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kirby Moore is Na. Yeah, tons of them. But I don't I think it all works downstream of which head coaches leave and which head coaches are available. Yeah, there are a lot of places where if you look number three or number four in their list, it's a coordinator. But that's contingent on the first three names, which your head coach is not being available, So it's and then what normally happens in this kind of cycle, is okay. Current head coaches climb up the ladder and fill the openings, and then those jobs like the if the Indiana job were open, if the Iowa State job were open, if some other job were open, those are the places that look at a coordinator. Historically, that's what happens. If John Summer All were to take the Auburn job, if it opened, two Lane looks at a high profile coordinator. That's probably the way that goes.

00:57:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, I want to I know we kind of brushed over it a little bit. We talked about UCLA being two and o and they should be two and o at this point we should all just we should erase everything from the prior head coach. But I remember a conversation you had a con coward. I clicked on the link and I will listen to you guys talk about UCLA and how bad of a job at is. Your stadium's forty five minutes right from the campus. You're the second best recruiting team in the city essentially, and now all of a sudden there're two to zero. Who's the h is it?

00:58:11
Speaker 2: Tim Skippers the head coach? No, No, No, who's the OC Jerry Newheisel.

00:58:15
Speaker 1: Is that Jerry Yeah?

00:58:16
Speaker 4: Team?

00:58:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jerry Neuheisel is the face of the team.

00:58:19
Speaker 2: Is that now?

00:58:20
Speaker 1: Having that conversation, we'll call on Coward. Is that now a job? That's like, yeah, new Heeidel seems like he's the perfect man for that job.

00:58:27
Speaker 2: If I were them, I would probably go that route. I don't know the UCLA jobs intimately, Like I've had more conversations about the UCLA job over the past month than I've had my whole life. Very eye opening, and what it shows is apathy towards the football program. They don't have their nil affairs in order, they don't take it nearly as seriously as basketball, and they love to tout how rich their alumni base is, but it doesn't matter if football can't tap into it. Frankly, Arkansas has had some of those problems recently. Really a ton of money in Northwest Arkansas. It doesn't matter if the needle doesn't go into football, how much money you have. And then, at least at Arkansas you know everyone cares. At UCLA you have the added burden of trying to make people care about football, which is a very unenviable position to be in. Like, if you're trying to make people care about football in a country that's football obsessed, you're probably just in the wrong part of the country, or in that case, in the wrong part of town. Even Riley struggled with that at USC though they packed the coliseum Saturday. But that's called Michigan's in town. And because they may be winning. If they're not winning, they don't draw anything, and that's USC. So I don't I still think the same thing I think about the job. It's just maybe they've caught lightning in a bottle and they found out the answer was in their building the whole time.

00:59:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a good answer to have.

00:59:41
Speaker 3: That's what That's what I enjoy seeing with the UCLA positions, just having like because he played there, right sure, Yeah, just having a little sick of somebody who understands the culture, who understands like wanting to bring this brand back. He's had some success.

00:59:54
Speaker 1: It's like a bruin too. He's got the wave going there. It's like, this guy's.

00:59:59
Speaker 3: Perfect for you. It seems like he's having a blast getting this opportunity. I think that would be an awesome.

01:00:04
Speaker 1: I don't even know who what Tim Skipper looks like. Like, I feel like it's about the face of a program. He's the interim head coach. I don't even know what this guy even looks like at all.

01:00:12
Speaker 2: There's Tim Skipper there.

01:00:13
Speaker 4: He is.

01:00:14
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have guessed full transparency, would not have guessed Sherman's brought up here. Does a three lost SEC team make the college football playoffs?

01:00:27
Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably more than one. Yeah, that's why Saturday is important.

01:00:31
Speaker 4: Listen.

01:00:31
Speaker 2: I know we're in October and no one's like thinking this through all right. Last weekend Arizona had Byu on the ropes and they let him off. They let him off the hook. No one's thinking about the ramifications for the SEC when BYU and Arizona are playing at one o'clock Eastern time in the morning. But it's big because if bringing Young keeps winning those close games and they're sitting there eleven and one are undefeated versus a nine and three SEC, they're going to get the playoff nod later down the road. All right, So that's first thing. Think about. Second thing this Saturday. If Notre Dame loses to USC, they're gonna be out right now. A ten and two Notre Dame versus certain nine and three secs is a legitimate playoff debate. Come December, all the nine and three SEC teams will get the NOD over a nine and three Notre Dame because they will have lost their only two high level games and lost their third one. So they will have lost their three games against their three biggest opponents elsewhere, their strength of schedules garbage, So a lot of these games outside the SEC are going to have as much impact on this as the SEC games themselves. Then in the SEC, what you want to ask yourself is, right now you've got ten teams with zero or one conference losses. You got to start having some separation. You've got to start having a few teams separate instead of just a bunch of two, three and four loss teams, because at that point it gets really hard to differentiate two from here, two from there. But I think I think the over under on three loss teams is like one and a half, and I'm going to take the over. By the way some setting the number and taking the over it sounds fair. Yeah, I think three loss teams are going to the playoff really god, And that means other three lost teams are gonna get left out because you're gonna have a bunch of three lost teams, I think in multiple conferences confree So I don't know. I don't know. A and M's undefeated guys can Ole missus undefeated. Ole Miss goes to Georgia Saturday. By the way, oh miss dog. Washington State doesn't matter because they weren't even aware they were playing Washington State until about eleven am Saturday morning. They've just been busy prepping for Georgia. So don't worry about that.

01:02:31
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not gonna worry about that. Let's talk about more coaching hypotheticals.

01:02:35
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin Florida. It's it, that's Florida.

01:02:39
Speaker 1: Is that does he cause there? I don't know if I heard this made it up in my head.

01:02:42
Speaker 3: Who cares?

01:02:43
Speaker 1: Seems like he kind of wants to go.

01:02:45
Speaker 2: I don't know if he does or not. I think I think he did once upon a time. He may still want to go. I could find you people who know a lot about that situation who would swear he'll take the job. I was of that opinion. Yeah, okay, we also know he has talked a lotublicly, including in a documentary that just got released like last week, about how woven into the fabric of ole Missy is now I moved his family there, this and that. That could be bs. He could be lying to you, or he could mean every word of it.

01:03:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Can you bring up the AP, the AP twenty five top twenty five?

01:03:20
Speaker 1: You just want to look at it?

01:03:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to look at it. I just want to get his opinion on a couple of things because he's got the Commissioner's poll.

01:03:25
Speaker 4: Yep.

01:03:26
Speaker 3: It slowly, it's making its way as the number one.

01:03:28
Speaker 2: Then the AP catches up a couple of weeks later.

01:03:31
Speaker 3: AP catches up a couple weeks later. We're bringing it up here Twitter. Interesting, right, Yeah, what an opportunity you have at the bottom of this list, Cincinnati being twenty four, Nebraska being twenty five.

01:03:50
Speaker 2: Oh to correct it, to correct correct the historical record.

01:03:53
Speaker 3: And also it's like in your mind when you were breaking down all the college ball, like thinking about Illinois being unranked because they've gotten mopped by Ohio State and they got mopped by Indiana USC being a one loss team, that one loss being to Illinois, who even though they did get mopped. Their two losses are to the number one and the number three team in the country. Like, when you're looking at the ap pole, who are they missing on this week? Who do you think?

01:04:20
Speaker 2: It's?

01:04:20
Speaker 3: Like? Hey, you know, is it is Illinois ranked in your Commissioner's poll or else on the chart? And for the love of God, you better? Are you moving up? Georgia Tech?

01:04:30
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech's probably about I have done. I haven't done the Commissioner's pole, so I like to marinate on these things, make emotional decisions.

01:04:37
Speaker 3: You're right, but I do want an emotional comment.

01:04:39
Speaker 2: I do want to say. The Notre Dame Texas conundrum confounds me a little bit. Texas and Notre Dame two loss teams. Texas I think was twenty first, Notre Dame's thirteenth, and Texas has two losses just like Notre Dame. But Texas has a win over Oklahoma, a top ten Oklahoma. Notre Dame's best win is what Boise or Arkansas like? They don't they don't have a quality win. I guess they're saying because their losses are to top five teams, then that kind of carries more weight. But at some point I'm asking doesn't winning the games matter, like you lost to good teams. Okay, but the key word there's lost and Texas just beat. I don't know. I'm not that upset about it because they're both two lost teams. But I still think Vandy's a little bit too low because I don't think Vandy was in the preseason anything. And so what I think people are doing with Notre Dame all the way up at thirteen is I think they are reverting back to their preseason expectation of Notre Dame, and they're also projecting because now everyone who thought Notre Dame was going to be good, they're looking for any reason to believe Notre Dame's good, and by the way, they probably are good. And now they're projecting they'll keep winning. So we're gonna proactively bump them up to thirteen. Whereas Vanderbilt didn't think they'd be up there, we begrudgingly had to put them up there. The moment they go loose to Alabama will knock them down. And meanwhile, they open as a favorite against LSU, Vandy a points spread favorite against LSU in the fall. Don't lie to our game.

01:06:03
Speaker 3: Of the week, Yes eleven am kickoff, I may walk to the game. Yeah. I also think it's crazy that Washington is not ranked their only losses, their only losses to the number one team in the country.

01:06:15
Speaker 2: They weren't They weren't invited to the party, and they were in.

01:06:18
Speaker 1: That game too, regardless of what the score says, like they had opportunities to win that game.

01:06:22
Speaker 3: Are you on board with Oregon potentially being on on fraud alert with their their only states?

01:06:29
Speaker 2: People are saying, oh man, the Penn State win is fraudulent. Now I look at that the opposite way. Do either of you think that Penn State would have imploded had they beaten Oregon?

01:06:38
Speaker 4: No?

01:06:38
Speaker 2: No, I don't either. So if Oregon caused that, I'm not going to knock them. Because the team they killed played dead the following two weeks, I'm going to credit you for killing that team. So, no, they got beat by a good Indiana team. Like at every turn, people are trying to find a way to cut the legs out from under Indiana's resume. Maybe Indiana's just really good. Maybe Oregon is just really good. That wasn't impressive, though, So I fuck with you.

01:07:02
Speaker 3: Josh Bate.

01:07:02
Speaker 1: Yes, last question before we go because we have Greg Olsen coming up. Of all the head coaches that could possibly take a job this offseason, who is, in your opinion, the best head coach? The two names have come up the most is Matt Campbell and Kurt Signetti.

01:07:17
Speaker 2: Campbell is younger, much younger than sig so Matt Campbell would be my answer. Matt Campbell. People just forget how much of a wet bag of garbage the Iowa State football program was, and he has made it so consistent an idea that you can win there that people are taking it for granted. This is not James Franklin at Penn State. This is a historically terrible program, and Matt's won there. They went to the Big twelfth title game last year. They won eleven games. Last year. They're down two starting corners, lost their nose guard and tailback in the game the other night, down to their third string kicker. Like that's the reason they're losing right now.

01:07:51
Speaker 3: They have no depth.

01:07:52
Speaker 2: Plus they just sent two wide receivers to the NFL Draft. You should never be doing any of that at Iowa State. So that guy's good My number.

01:08:00
Speaker 1: One signating number two, Yes, do you have a third.

01:08:05
Speaker 2: Let me think on that. I'll see you Wednesday.

01:08:07
Speaker 3: Yeah.

01:08:08
Speaker 1: This has been eye opening, eye opening experience. Every single job in college football is open.

01:08:15
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?

01:08:17
Speaker 2: Oh?

01:08:18
Speaker 1: Is there anything about Beamer? Should we be worried about Beemer at all?

01:08:21
Speaker 2: No?

01:08:21
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

01:08:24
Speaker 2: Saturday he'll be fine.

01:08:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah, what happened?

01:08:31
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01:10:29
Speaker 1: Hey boys, Greg Olsen, Taylor Lawan, how are you, sir?

01:10:32
Speaker 4: I got a treat for you?

01:10:35
Speaker 1: Are we rolling?

01:10:38
Speaker 4: What do you think we're doing?

01:10:40
Speaker 1: Game plan salt pepper, sugar packets.

01:10:44
Speaker 4: Hey, salt and pepper. That's in the NFL.

01:10:46
Speaker 5: We don't do that in youth football, as we can't tell you about them right now.

01:10:49
Speaker 1: I see you, Luke on the drawing up the game plan. Four linebackers on that little clip.

01:10:55
Speaker 4: I saw, yeah, just a four to four.

01:10:58
Speaker 5: Luckily the production company Blur announced it didn't see exactly where we lined.

01:11:01
Speaker 3: Up perfect perfect, trying to give.

01:11:04
Speaker 4: All the secrets away. I'm trying to get off for whatever. Me and Lucra I was streaming my computer to my television so we could watch film. And I can't get it off.

01:11:17
Speaker 3: How do I get it off?

01:11:20
Speaker 4: I got it?

01:11:22
Speaker 3: What was before we get into what was the result of last week's game?

01:11:25
Speaker 4: Uh, thirty two to zero thirty two? Nothing?

01:11:28
Speaker 1: And I know, hey, listen, I know we don't. We don't coach the score. We coached the process. Talk to me about the tackling, the coverage, operation on offense, like I need to hear it all.

01:11:38
Speaker 3: Luke will started.

01:11:38
Speaker 4: Doing t team. So not a lot of coverage. We had one ball that almost got over our head, but like we had a good pass rush. The tackling was good. Greg's what is it? They had twenty eight plays for twenty six yards. Had twenty eight plays twenty seven yards.

01:11:50
Speaker 1: Got to love that, Luke.

01:11:51
Speaker 4: When you deal gave up one first down on a little jet They actually had a nice little concept. They formation, you know, whated us and UH ran a little shotgun speed pop and uh our kids were all chasing the back and they kind of just popped it to the fast motion guy and he got around our edge. That was their one first down.

01:12:10
Speaker 3: Now is that where you're getting in Luke's ear or you're pretty confident that he's gonna get the defense corrected.

01:12:15
Speaker 4: You gotta make we gotta make some adjustments. Well, the reason, I'll be honest, I didn't get anyone's ear because I coached the D line and our right edge, our right end was the one who ran inside and didn't keep the edge. So it was actually my fault.

01:12:27
Speaker 1: Now, when you're looking at your league, we know the NFL is a copycat league. Can we say the same thing for Papa Warner? You see that jet sweep and you're like, hey, maybe we should throw that in our bag.

01:12:35
Speaker 4: Oh, we run a ton of but we run a lot of jet sweep. I'll just put it that way.

01:12:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's don't give up too much.

01:12:40
Speaker 4: I know, give away a lot of our secret.

01:12:43
Speaker 3: Definitely want Luke coach kickley when you're going against a wing te Uh, how how much are you getting in the head? Coaches here to get a little extra time in practice, because I understand this is a big eyes game. We got to be very disciplined. We've got to be very good with our eyes. Any subtle motions happen, you need a transition. How much are you trying to capture? Hey, we need an extra period for this wing tea. Look, we're about to.

01:13:05
Speaker 5: Face Luckily, we've played against it four times in the last two years, so we've got a pretty good feel for But you don't you don't need to practice with the ball. Everybody just needs to be in their gap, do their job, eyes in the right place, and if you try to make somebody else's play in the wing tea, that's when the ball pops. So when we practice, we don't practice with the ball. Do your job, play your gap, play physical, and tackle the guy in your gap.

01:13:25
Speaker 4: And it's pretty straightforward.

01:13:26
Speaker 3: It's a no ball period. It's a no ball period. Boys.

01:13:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys, I know the season's coming to an end, right, We're getting close to the final.

01:13:34
Speaker 4: Wednesday's last game?

01:13:35
Speaker 1: Man, last game?

01:13:36
Speaker 3: Do we got playoffs? Is there champions?

01:13:39
Speaker 4: Like?

01:13:40
Speaker 1: Oh, this is just we got to win this one. Put a bow on top of an undefeated and just put a bow.

01:13:44
Speaker 4: This team is good. We knew they were our last game of the season. They're good. They've only lost one game in overtime, so they could be undefeated. They're good. They got some talented kids, they're well coached. This is this is probably gonna be our biggest challenge of the year.

01:13:59
Speaker 1: What about this team?

01:14:01
Speaker 3: Do they do so well?

01:14:01
Speaker 1: I know, you guys, I don't know if you've watched too much film yet, but are they big motion or they just our guys?

01:14:07
Speaker 4: They got a couple of good athletes, but that you know at this age obviously, when you have a couple good athletes, you've you've you build everything around them. So we got to work out out for us on defense. There they got a good back, their quarterback. They can run, they can throw, they're fast, So we got to get hats to the ball. We gotta tackle. We got to get these guys on the ground because they got two kids that on any play they could score.

01:14:29
Speaker 2: Uh.

01:14:30
Speaker 3: Coach Keikley, what kind of chip are you building on your shoulder? Because just what I'm hearing the rumors on Reddit, there's a lot of message board chatter talking everything else that talking a lot of shit about your philosophy, the way you coach ball, saying you close the fridge with your hip, lay on your tummy at night, do a lot of things that Again, they're building a lot of bulletin board material I'm wondering if you're hearing the noise and how you're approaching this week.

01:14:55
Speaker 5: Hey, we do the same thing when we talk to our kids about We don't worry about the outside noise.

01:14:59
Speaker 4: We believe in what we do.

01:15:00
Speaker 5: We believe in our scheme, we believe in attitude, effort, and intensity, and we believe in the game plan that we put forward every week. So all that bulletin board material, how I close refrigerator, I don't think it really matters.

01:15:10
Speaker 3: Are you the type of coach that whenever you're getting stops or tackles for loss, you're yelling at the other sideline saying, google me, look me up?

01:15:20
Speaker 4: Like, what's that's for? Saying that about? That's it? That's like what Signetti does? You said google me?

01:15:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's a dog for that. This is a This is a question for both you coaches in the if you follow college football at all right now, there's a lot of head coaching jobs being lined up. A lot of people may be being plucked from one place to go to another. A lot of rumors are swirling around the pop Warner culture that Luke Keigley is one of the head guys for a head coaching job in that.

01:15:47
Speaker 5: I know what rumors you guys are looking at right now, but you're you're you're Reddit sources I don't think are super true.

01:15:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see, I asked a question about you leaving. Now Greg wants to stand up to No.

01:15:59
Speaker 4: I didn't like that I was sitting and he was standing. It made me feel very uncomfortable.

01:16:02
Speaker 2: Is this great?

01:16:03
Speaker 6: Do you?

01:16:04
Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Luke Keigley taking a much deserving head coaching job in your league.

01:16:09
Speaker 4: The advantage, the advantage that I have is I'll out pay I could outbid anybody in America.

01:16:17
Speaker 1: Oh you got oil money, you got oil money and Pop Warner.

01:16:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like Texas Tech now right where we're just we're just outbidding everyone for players, softball, pitchers, facilities. So the good thing is like, there's nothing anyone could offer Luke that I can't match. Pizza, buckets of beer. Yeah, day, you know, Monday morning film session. No, we're not talking about the Panthers. We were both calling the game yesterday. We're not talking about the Panthers. We're talking about getting our boys ready to finish the season strong. So I think he values that over money. I think he values that over prestige. So I'm confident that our relationship is stronger than any rumor.

01:16:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, Coach Olsen. With the landscape of trickling down from NFL at college football, it's coming for high school and these coaches kind of position themselves with nice buyouts if they do make a move. Just asking both of you, Luke, are you looking at structuring your contract a little bit differently if there is a buyout situation happening? Uh, if there's one already in place, what is the buyout look like for Luke Keekley or Greg Olsen or coach Stewart. Are you guys are these conversations taking place in the youth football community.

01:17:27
Speaker 5: I think if you position yourself for a buyout, you already thinking about getting fired. And we don't have that mindset. Our mindset we're just gonna win, We're gonna coach well, We've got a great relationship.

01:17:37
Speaker 4: You guys are just trying to drive a wedge in between us all.

01:17:41
Speaker 2: This is.

01:17:43
Speaker 4: Year four of this. We've never been closer in our lives.

01:17:47
Speaker 1: Now is not the time to get defensive Coach Kickley, We're strictly just reporting.

01:17:51
Speaker 3: The trying to drive a wedge because these young kids are going to learn, They're gonna learn about the reality of the media.

01:18:00
Speaker 1: To ball out here.

01:18:02
Speaker 3: Look at it. Look they're getting uncomfortable.

01:18:04
Speaker 4: They got the.

01:18:06
Speaker 1: Canvas going crazy. What do you guys say to the rumors swirling about you guys taking the head high high school football coaching jobs, because I've I've We've received a couple of texts there Charlotte area code and it's the it's they're going by the name. Don't worry about five seven three people are saying, and a lot of coaches in the high school world are talking ship like they could they Look they can do it in the pop Warner world.

01:18:33
Speaker 3: There's no shot they could do it in high school. Coach hear those rumors. Greg Ozie travels with the sun. His son's gonna be playing high school ball here very soon.

01:18:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been very clear. We have a great relationship with the high school staff. Chris James, the varsity coach at Charlotte Christian, good buddy of mine. I make it very clear to everyone our job at the middle school level, yes, we want to win. Yes, don't get me wrong. Our job is to turn over as many good football players as many kids ready for high school football to him in ninth grade as humanly possible. We sent him a class last year that are now freshmen. Our tailback from our eighth grade team right now, Jamal Jamal Rule, who's the kid going to Nebraska, the running back he broke. He hurt his thumb and had surgery, so he's missed the last couple of weeks. Our backup as a freshman. He played for US last year as an eighth grader, had never played football before, and now he's playing on varsity. He had two touchdowns friday night against a really good team out of Georgia and is playing real ball. He's played one year for US. Our goal is how many of these freshmen in every class can we have ready to play high school ball. Whether it's as a freshman, a sophomore, junior, who knows, but we're going to give him another really good class to back up that one. Our eighth graders this year are really good. Our seventh grade class might be as good as any of them, if not better. So as many of these classes that we can prep hand over to the varsity to kind of build this thing from the ground floor up. That's our model. That's what we're trying to do, and we've been very clear where our support lies, what our roles are. We are the farm system. We are the fundamental foundation of the Charlotte Cristian football program. We take great pride in that we believe doing it at that level and letting these kids grow up through the program is the right way to do it. It's the best long term way to do it, and that's what we believe in.

01:20:20
Speaker 3: So it's safe to say you're, you know, in the immediate future, let's you say ten years, ten years, they're going to have this farm system in place. Middle school football grey goals and Luke Keekley coach Steward, just ten years is probably aggressive, Okay, just I didn't know. I didn't know what kind of future we're looking at over.

01:20:36
Speaker 1: Here, doubling down on that, How old is your youngest son who is going to go through this process?

01:20:42
Speaker 4: Seventh grade? So I got five, we got five more.

01:20:44
Speaker 1: Years, five more years. Well, they go to high school right ninth grade?

01:20:47
Speaker 4: Correct, but he got he's letting the fan base know my kids are right now, eighth and seventh Okay, so I got my son after Wednesday, he's got four more years of high school football. He'll be a freshman in the next fall, and then my seventh graders got five years left. He'll have eighth grade and then four years of high school. So I got five more years after this until my young my three are all gone, and that'll be That's where our emphasis is, can we get a five year grind? And again, I want to be very clear of what we're doing here. There are a lot of schools around Charlotte that impoor kids on a daily basis. Kids are changing classes, changing schools mid season. We got kids transferring after week five and then going to show up and play quarterback on another team five days later. Like what you see happening is happening here in Charlotte. We have kids that want to come to Charlotte Christian. If we could get everyone in, it'd be a lot easier, but we can't. So you get in a couple here and there. But we don't have open enrollment. We don't have open admissions like some of the other schools we compete against. And the reality is this is the harder way to do it right, Like this is the this is a bigger grind, and we don't shy away from it. We're going to continue to coach the hell out of these kids. We're going to continue to coach our kids kids and build that core and build that you know, it's no different than at the college level. If you don't recruit well, you can only transfer portal your wish so much, high school football has become the transfer portal, at least here in North Carolina. There's always going to be an element of kids coming into the program. That's common. But you have to add good kids to an already very good core nucleus of players that understand your culture. That's the secret. You see it in college. It's no different than in the high school world.

01:22:28
Speaker 3: So this is again I'll clarify. I'll see if what what I'm saying is correct, because this sounds like pretty big breaking news that Adam Schefter would cover. Charlotte Christian can feel good about having this staff in place in the middle school era for the next five years.

01:22:44
Speaker 4: I want to be clear. We are going to coach the middle school team one more year. Next year, we're going to get this current seventh grade class that we're coaching now, okay, he will get them to high school. How we manage doing. You know, do we start helping out with some of the JD stuff to allocate some time to there as these classes get older before they're ready for varsity.

01:23:03
Speaker 3: I don't know.

01:23:03
Speaker 4: We will coach the middle school team, Okay, one more year, next year, get my younger son up to high school contracts up and maybe some sort of hybrid middle school JV type world while you know my kids are in ninth and tenth grade.

01:23:15
Speaker 1: This is this is exactly why Greg Olsen has such a great career on the podium and he's doing so great. Yeah, he's so well spoken. He said, we'll do the JV and we'll do the Pop Warner. But we know when it sounds like he doesn't want it, we're gonna have a head football coach for the high school coach James Is. He doesn't know what's coming. I have, and I honestly don't blame him.

01:23:36
Speaker 3: I want to stay.

01:23:37
Speaker 4: When I start that rumor, we're putting that rumor to.

01:23:39
Speaker 1: Bed, and that you're doing a great job right now, you're doing a phenomenal job. We'll put the room in the bed. I'm gonna put the room.

01:23:45
Speaker 5: Be not.

01:23:47
Speaker 4: Eager, nor do I really want at whatever. I want to be a head high school coach. That is a twelve month of year job. I could not call my games like volunteering. Doing what we're doing now as a as a program accessory, as a program kind of helper is one thing. Coaching real high school ball, if you want to do it right, is a seven day a week, twelve month a year, full time job. I'm not doing that. Maybe Luke wants to do that. I'm not doing that right now.

01:24:17
Speaker 3: Some people saying you don't love it enough. Coachiley, Coach Kickley. When you have, you know this next year going into the final year your guys' contract, When you have seventh graders hitting the portal and wanting to visit Charlotte Christian, what is your message to them, knowing they're not going to get you for the full two years at Charlotte Christian.

01:24:38
Speaker 5: Well, they'll keep growing. We will still be part of the program. So they might not get us that year, but the next year will be still there. So they just got to continue to learn and play hard. And you want to come play real football, you gotta come a shark Christian.

01:24:48
Speaker 3: I love that.

01:24:49
Speaker 4: It's our slogan. We play real ball.

01:24:51
Speaker 3: We play. Yeah, hey, we have so, Luke And by the way, whenever this your guys a season ends again, invites on the table both you guys, Greg, you travel around a lot as well, but open invite to join the boys in.

01:25:03
Speaker 1: The locker room or NFL forty five minute flight really easy, We'll put you out the whole thing.

01:25:07
Speaker 3: Quick flight forty five minutes will feed you really well. Camaraderie will be high, will be with Clay Matthews and Delaney Walker. But where I'm taking you with this question. Clay Matthews has a very competitive kindergarten flag football team. He's under a lot of heat right now from the outside noise in the fan base and the parents that are with that team because he went in the championship Sunday and apparently didn't play all the kids because he was trying to win a football game. Now he's taking a lot of heat for not playing all the kids. Care to comment, both of you, guys.

01:25:39
Speaker 4: Derry Coacher's versus Night Fair. I'm shocked that there's not playtime rules. When we used to do the kids at the younger level, when we did Pop Warner, when Luke and I and my dad did Pop Warner. A couple of years ago. For a few years there was minimum playtime rep. So this was well like fifth and sixth grade. We had minimum plays and they had somebody who actually sat on the sideline with a clipboard and had to check off every kid had to play what ten plays? Ten plays? Minimum play time You've always had in the football world. There's been rules in place when we did flag football when the kids were small. Each kid had to play like a quarter or that whatever. There was like ways to quantify playing time. So I don't know, Listen, I'm not judging anyone. We have not always gotten it right. It's very easy to get caught up in the moment of trying to be competitive and trying to win at the you know, kinder kindergarten six year olds. Yeah, even I'm like, let him get a rep. I mean, they don't have to get the ball.

01:26:40
Speaker 3: Greg greg play has lost sleep because that trophy. They lost the game they were in a they were in a tough one, and he's trying to win a game. All the kids don't get in. It's five on five. I think this team carries fourteen on the roster. It's a lot of games, but he's lost sleep over not having the championship, and after you know, he's still bleeding in a lot of parents, he's hearing a lot of noise he didn't play my kids.

01:27:04
Speaker 1: A lot of emails take place, a lot of random text messages from different area codesh coming out at him right now.

01:27:09
Speaker 3: So it's tough, Luke, Are you trying to win a football game or are you making your you getting all the boys in?

01:27:16
Speaker 4: Well, Luckily for us, we can get him in before the game starts.

01:27:19
Speaker 5: We play a fifth quarter, so all the kids we get twelve offensive snaps twelve defensive snaps before the game. We get all our kids in, so once the ball kicks off, we're trying to win a football game. The rules for the pop warner that Greg talked about helped us out a lot, and then that fifth quarter before the Christian game helps us out a lot because all the kids get an opportunity to get a couple reps every game, so they know they're going to get in. And then when we play the real game, we get our kids in there that can go play and help us win football game. So I think we just we owe it to the kids to go out and try our best to win the games, and if the score and the time in the game dictates it, we can put the other kids in and get other kids opportunities, because I think the best thing that we can do is try to prepare our seventh graders for live action next year. So it's the eighth grader and the older guy's job to help us get ahead, get a lead, and put those young kids in to give them an opportunity to play for next year.

01:28:09
Speaker 1: Just a couple of season bets. They knew all these questions were coming. They've read everything we've read as well.

01:28:15
Speaker 3: They did.

01:28:15
Speaker 1: They just know, they don't they know what they're doing. Absolutely.

01:28:18
Speaker 4: I'm just shock you guys, since so much time on message boards.

01:28:22
Speaker 1: Listen, that's what friends do. Greg Like, we sit there with Greg's friend might.

01:28:26
Speaker 4: Say, your friends, your message boards just trying to drive wedges. Do I have a buyout? Am I going to coach somewhere else?

01:28:31
Speaker 1: And they what what a friend?

01:28:35
Speaker 4: Look?

01:28:35
Speaker 1: Would a friend allow all that noise to keep happening or give you these to be able to sit there and say, listen, this is not true. This is true. So we're giving you guys a massive platform for you guys to say, Listen, I know everyone. Everyone's eyes aren't Charlotte Pop Warner football right now, let us be very clear about Charlotte Christian Pop Warner, Boom Warner. Listen, it's under high school, it's Pop Warner. It's a blame, I think a thing. That's how it goes.

01:29:01
Speaker 3: I just think, how can I motivate these boys? How can I give them some Multimore material? How can I give them some fodder? You know, I know a lot of people from your area tune in. They want to know are we going to have a staff over the next few years. I'm trying to do my journalism as well.

01:29:13
Speaker 4: I think they tune in because they hope we lose.

01:29:16
Speaker 1: That's that's exactly where you want to be to. You kind of want to be hated in that world. You got you gotta love. Coach, go ahead, if you guys win this game. I don't know if the league gives you a trophy for going to feed or will you guys go out and get your team trophy? So hey, undefeated season maybe rings now, probably not.

01:29:35
Speaker 4: You know, I think that would go against everything we've preached to the boys all year. I want to make sure we're consistent, like playing to win and being out there for the sole purpose of only caring about winning, I think are two very different things. Like we believe winning is a byproduct, like winning is a byproduct of how we prepare as coaches and the plan we put in, and then winning is a byproduct of how we practice today and then our film study that we're going to do after and how we and how we warm up and how we execute, Like we believe if we do all those things, winning will take care of itself, right, Like we will win if we do all of these things. We're not gonna sit here and say rule number one win because then I feel like we're losing all of the development. We're losing all of the pieces that we all understand prepares these kids to play in high school, prepares these kids to be really good varsity players at some point in the next couple of years. So if we win every game, great, If we don't win every game, fine, Like we understand what we signed up for. We're gonna try to win. We're gonna do everything in our power, and then after the game ends, sure we'd be seven and oh if we were fortunate enough to win, or we were six and in one if we weren't, And the conversation is, did we get better? Did we develop these kids? Did we develop an attitude and toughness around football that we can carry over into high school? Like we want to make sure all those things are right. We feel like if we do, all those things are odds of our winning any given game, this game two weeks ago, whenever it was, are in our favor. If we play well. If we don't play well, this team can beat us.

01:31:05
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. If I have an air, I want to play for you tube?

01:31:11
Speaker 4: You do you do?

01:31:14
Speaker 3: I don't have an air. I don't have a boy.

01:31:15
Speaker 4: I thought you had a boy.

01:31:17
Speaker 3: No, two girls? Two girls?

01:31:18
Speaker 4: Girls? Got it? Then come on cheerleader squad?

01:31:21
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, looks I love, I love, I love I guess yeah, I love him to cheer for your if I if I ever have a boy, I'm moving to Yeah.

01:31:30
Speaker 2: Perfect.

01:31:30
Speaker 4: You guys are all girls?

01:31:32
Speaker 3: All girls? Four girls come in the.

01:31:33
Speaker 4: Water on that bus.

01:31:34
Speaker 1: It's I think it's the size really than anything. Just there's always a I think it's the same. Who is it Tobb? I think it's yeah, But there's also like that.

01:31:42
Speaker 4: I think it's God's way of saying, like you're too massive generation.

01:31:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're too massive, much masculine dogs.

01:31:51
Speaker 1: You are too much dogs playing on that grid iron. We have to give you a girl to calm yourself down a little bit.

01:31:56
Speaker 3: I love that.

01:31:59
Speaker 1: You guys, what talks a matter of football?

01:32:00
Speaker 3: Real quick?

01:32:01
Speaker 4: Yep? I got six minutes perfect.

01:32:05
Speaker 1: Let's rapid fire Panthers go and beat the Dallas Cowboys. Dallas Cowboys defense is absolutely terrible. But Bryce Young has himself a nice game. Are we going to be surprised after Bryce Underwood get Bryce Underwood, Bryce Young gets benched last year? Playing better?

01:32:20
Speaker 2: Now?

01:32:20
Speaker 1: Are we going to be surprised when the Carolina Panthers give him an extension.

01:32:25
Speaker 4: I think they got to figure out what they're gonna do with that fifth year option first.

01:32:27
Speaker 5: That's the big thing going into this offseason, and I think Dan Morgan and Bran Tillis and those guys in the front office are going to try to figure out what they want to do there.

01:32:35
Speaker 4: I think Bryce has played a lot better in spots.

01:32:38
Speaker 5: Obviously through the interception yesterday that wasn't his fault as a slant that got dropped, and I thought at the end of the game. Bryce took us down at the six minutes to go to go score and win, so he's played better in spots. I think what all we're looking for from this team is just more consistency. I think we're good upfront. We've run the ball really well the past couple weeks, and for Bryce, I think it's protecting the football and more consistent. And we got plenty of games left to figure out what they want to do, so I think the biggest thing before an extension gets figured out is what do we do.

01:33:06
Speaker 4: With that fit your option? They'll have to figure that out this offseason.

01:33:09
Speaker 3: Have you watched much Dallas defense tape, Luke?

01:33:14
Speaker 4: Yeah? They struggle, man, I mean, is it is it not.

01:33:17
Speaker 3: Like when I'm watching, Like I'm sitting there and it's surprising to me how stagnant the back end is on their pre snap keys and everything else they feel. I know that they've mixed in a lot more man recently, but those first several weeks, I feel like they're just kind of like they're just kind of showing you what they're doing. And they also they're so vanilla with Cover two and everything else. They're not. They don't have an all world roster, but they're not doing anything you know, defensive philosophy wise that like help them out, you know when they're gonna blitz because they're all lined up across the line of scrimmage. But are you surprised when you're watching kind of this Dallas team operate defensively.

01:33:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think, you know, watching it, especially last week against the Jets and then watching some of the game yesterday, a lot too high shell with two deep safeties. And for us, that's what we do best is run the ball from under center. So anytime we get that two deep shell like that, Bryce is either checking into a run or sticking with the run. And on first down we are averaging almost seven yards of play and a lot of it was based on the run game. And then we have the ability to throw some play action off of it. And I think for us, you take a light box with our offensive line what Rico has been able to do. And I tell you the biggest thing us yesterday is I think Dave Canalison Izay have done a great job of dialing plays up and calling plays and calling him at the right at the right moment. So yeah, Dallas has struggled defensively this year obviously, but I think those guys in the.

01:34:37
Speaker 4: Offensive side of the ball did a really good job of calling stuff.

01:34:40
Speaker 1: Heading over to the NFC East, you got the Giants defeating the Eagles on Thursday Night football, largely due to the CREA team Caucasians, Camp Scattaboo and Jackson Dart. Do you think the way both those guys play definitely not sustainable long term? However, right now it's the most electric thing we're watching in football. Do you think think they can will this Giants team into possibly being I'm not gonna say NFC East Championship, you still the Commander's there, but maybe a wild seventh, you know, make the playoffs. Can you see it happening?

01:35:13
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you could see anything happen. I mean I saw them before dark even took over. Again. Coming off what we're just talking about with the Cowboys offense, they very well should have another win. I mean, they lost by a sixty four yarder at the end of regulation in a game they scored forty in overtime against Dallas in Dallas when Russ went off and threw for a thousand yards or whatever.

01:35:35
Speaker 6: You know.

01:35:36
Speaker 4: So I mean we've seen them play well. I think their defense is really good. Obviously, Scataboo and Jackson Darton now are the toast of the town, as they should. They're fun, they don't take themselves too serious. They're letting them loose. All that is all fun as long as you continue to win. But I think defensively, I think they're pretty nasty, right. I think that Brian Burns trade is obviously paid off. I know he was leading the league in sacks? Is he still I don't hit another one though he was going into yesterday. I don't know where he stands now. But you know, a duel Carter Cavon Thibodeau's and playing well. Obviously they got big dex Dexter Lawrence in the inside. So I mean that defense they invested in heavily is playing really well. And then obviously Skataboo and Jackson Dart have given them a little juice, given them a little energy. I think losing neighbors at some point, not having that go to guy is gonna catch up to you at some point. But listen, can I see them sneaking in as a seventh seed? Yeah? I mean why not? I mean, we've seen teams that don't even have a winning record. We've been on one. We made a playoffs without a winning record. So you never know in the league what I bank on it probably not. I still think Philadelphia figures it out. I still think Washington is a good team. Dallas is a threat. Just because they're gonna score thirty a game, you're gonna have to win in a shootout. At least that's what it shows. So the division still challenging, which always makes the path a little bit more difficult.

01:36:56
Speaker 3: What you're doing to camp Scataboo in the a gab luke.

01:37:00
Speaker 4: With good angle. He's a young guy, he's a rookie. You can't let a rookie run through dude.

01:37:03
Speaker 3: Hey do you see uh do you see the Zach vond clip on the sideline back to backs? Right? He's physical man, bro physical, kind of had Zach on the side, shoulder.

01:37:13
Speaker 5: Down the checko just wants to run through your face. Yeah, that's how Scataboy is. He's the same exact way. Yeah, he loves the contact.

01:37:21
Speaker 3: Oh loves it. You see him just having a helmet on, just head button, a brick wall and the outside. His mom came out and said he used to put on his older brother's shoulder pads when he was little and just go run into the telephone pole.

01:37:34
Speaker 1: Like I said, not not sustainable, but oh my god, this is going to be the most electric four or five of your career we ever see a camp'scatabilly.

01:37:41
Speaker 3: Dude, what do you guys? What are you seeing from the Philadelphia Eagles. I feel like they have the problems are kind of coming to the surface. I feel like they are four and two right now, could easily be a one in five football team. If Cede Lamb catches the deep ball in Week one, if they don't block the field goal last field field goal, Yeah, field goals against the Rams. They don't block a pun against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Obviously I'm reaching more with that one, But to me, it seems like all the stuff is coming to the surface about the Philadelphia Eagles. There's a lot of frustration. It seems like Jalen Hurts is holding on to the football, just not spinning it when he has the opportunity. What are you seeing when you watch that game?

01:38:18
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've called a lot of their games over the years. I think their rosters as good, if not better, than anybody in the league. I think offensively, some of these conversations have been going on for a while. I think they still got to figure out their passing game. I think last year when Saquon's busting seventy five yard touchdowns what seemed like a weekly clip, at least through the playoffs, it was. It can kind of hip little things. When you're that explosive in the run game, it makes up for some limitations in the passing game. Personnel wise. In the passing game, there's no reason they shouldn't be better. Talent wise. The two receivers got it. They got the best two tackles in the league combo, so they should be better. The thing that surprised me the most against the Giants was the defense. Like I I you know that Vic Fangioe. They're talented, they're young, I know they Obviously they didn't have I don't think Carter played right. Jalen Carter's play was out against the Giants. Obviously, JA that made an issue. But like I think, defensively is where they got to get back to being dominant. Right you look back at last year the Super Bowl run top defense in the league, a uniquely explosive running game, and then the next factor was we still could get vertical on you in the passing game.

01:39:26
Speaker 3: D A. J.

01:39:26
Speaker 4: Brown and DeVante DeVante Smith and and hit Chump plays. So like, when your explosive passing game is your like third best thing you do, you're gonna be hard to beat. I think that was last year's journey. So if the defense and they can't get Saquon going, now, all of a sudden, there's a lot more emphasis on the passing game. And I think that's the biggest difference between this year and last year.

01:39:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it.

01:39:47
Speaker 1: I know you got to get out of here. The last thing I'll ask you about is Kansas City Chiefs. They got Rashid Rice back this week. They've had a dominant win over the Lions, who we all thought was the best team in the NFL. Well, the Chiefs back, what do you think.

01:40:02
Speaker 4: I think they have a lot more weapons than they have in the past.

01:40:05
Speaker 5: They got Worthy, Hollywood, Brown, Kelsey played well, Pacheco, Kareem Hunt sounds like it looks like like Mahomes is playing better last night. And then they can rush the pass from the defense side of the ball. So I think they played some close games earlier. They lost by a real small margin in those first few weeks, and I don't know. I mean, I don't think you can ever count those guys back, count those guys out. And now they have a more physical presence on the inside, I think they're gonna.

01:40:27
Speaker 2: Be just fine.

01:40:29
Speaker 3: Anything sneaky you're seeing in the NFL right now that you're like, hey, this is a team that's going to, you know, be the cream of the crop come the end of the yea.

01:40:35
Speaker 4: I think Tampa Bay is really good. I think if they could ever get healthy, they don't have anybody. I mean, they don't have a soul out there. And I know San Francisco obviously was too, so give them, you know.

01:40:48
Speaker 3: I hate that Fred Warner went down, dude, I know, disgusting.

01:40:53
Speaker 4: Did forty nine ers just seem like they cannot escape the injury curse? But this goes back years. But Tampa Bay, I mean, Mike and stand on the side room. I think god Win they lost, and Buka and Beck, I mean they they have I think Bucky Bucky Irving was out like there, I didn't did Worst not play too?

01:41:14
Speaker 1: I know that works played the last year I got home from.

01:41:17
Speaker 4: My game, and I kind of watched it in passing as I was getting organized. But like the point being, Baker might be the MVP of the league right now, in the top two or three. He's literally willing them to win. And were they five and one? I mean they're they're really good.

01:41:35
Speaker 3: Yeah that that that run on third and what fourteen? It's hot from Baker Mayfield.

01:41:40
Speaker 1: God, he is the truly willingest team to win. Guys, good luck.

01:41:45
Speaker 4: I thought this was a nice treat.

01:41:46
Speaker 3: Oh dude, it was.

01:41:47
Speaker 1: This is awesome. This is everything more you could possibly ask for in a Monday morning.

01:41:51
Speaker 3: That's that's my king. That's my king right there. When Fred Warner went down with yesterday, it felt like any time, you know, Luke would go down and I'm like, man, he's gonna play the next week's out for the season, and just kind of breaks your fucking heart. That's right.

01:42:02
Speaker 1: The boys all eyes on the championship. I know it's not technically a championship.

01:42:06
Speaker 3: But we're rooting for you.

01:42:07
Speaker 1: Ignore the noise, ignore the noise. We love you, guys.

01:42:10
Speaker 4: Don't worry.

01:42:10
Speaker 3: We're doing We'll keep the reddit. People love you, bro.

01:42:18
Speaker 4: That was fun.

01:42:20
Speaker 3: See you Luke. Yeah, all right, we just finished up with Greg Olsen talking. You know, obviously we sat there and talked all youth sports. We talked a couple of the NFL games, We talked a lot of We had a lot of conversation with the upcoming potential coaching carousel, carrousele carrals carousel. I know I've struggled with that word in the past. We'll get to a lot more football talking tomorrow's episode. We're gonna do a big time. We're gonna be talking to October. We're gonna be talking checking in with the fans. A lot of our tear talk will be on tomorrow's episode because I know we only got to a couple today. We have a lot, we have a lot to cover that'll be on tomorrow's episode. Uh but yeah, man, big hugs, tiny cases. We will see you tomorrow. I hope you enjoyed the episode with Josh Pate, Greg Olsen, and Mike King, Louke Keighley, Big Ucks, sidey kisses, Love you See you tomorrow.

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