Buying a Diamond? What You Need to Know About Lab-Grown vs. Real Diamonds with Watch King NYC

[SPEAKER_01]: Today, on misunderstood with Rachel, you could tell.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were getting engaged.
[SPEAKER_02]: He went to a store and they sold her a 10-car a lab for $40,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: She called me, she's like, listen, we got separated, how much is the store worth?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not sure to cost you a penny over $8,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Straight highway rubric.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two ways to make ice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pointed with outside, the water becomes ice.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the natural way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's the machine way through a freezer.
[SPEAKER_02]: They both ice, standing with diamond.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're both diamonds.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is made naturally from the ground mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one is made in the laboratory.
[SPEAKER_01]: The misconception is that a lab grown diamond is not a doubt.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a diamond.
[SPEAKER_02]: You put in a diamond test or it's going to pass.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a diamond.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just made differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to sell me this natural free carrot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You bought for 30k to more.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much am I paying you?
[SPEAKER_02]: 15,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: You lose 50% of your money.
[SPEAKER_02]: You buy this three carrot for three grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you lose 25,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: You lose 15,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: People talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say diamonds is an investment.
[SPEAKER_02]: They used to be to love chemo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's not an investment anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I got robbed a few months ago outside my house.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took half million dollars and merchandise for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They beat me, took all my shit and ran away.
[SPEAKER_02]: My shoulder got this, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I might have a six-day inflite that I late to go to David Dolby's birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could have sat home and been depressed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, there's not gonna stop me.
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be nice to people, never know when you might need somebody and just because you can change somebody's day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never know what smile, one hug, one good morning, one how you doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Might save somebody's lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Misunderstood.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm your host, Rachel Eukateau.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was lucky enough to have Moshe, known to millions as Watch King NYC.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take a moment out of his nonstop life to come down from New York City and sit with me in-person here in my Florida studio.
[SPEAKER_01]: With over 2 million followers watching him daily as he runs his empire, online and in-person in his store on 47th Street in the Diamond District.
[SPEAKER_01]: it was rare to slow him down for a real honest conversation and that's exactly what we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think you know Moshei from Instagram, think again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Behind the flashy watches and the larger than life persona is a story you would never expect.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about his upbringing and a deeply religious Jewish household, his early life is rabbi and the private struggles that followed including a devastating gambling addiction that cost him everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: At one point he was homeless completely broke and starting over from nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's misunderstood about Moshe is how much hell he's walked through to become the man and the businessman he is today.
[SPEAKER_01]: We unpack that journey but we also get into the world he's now known for, buying, selling and understanding luxury.
[SPEAKER_01]: We break down weather watches are actually an investment, what luxury really means and how he's expanded beyond watches into the jewelry business.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because this is such a hot topic and controversial right now, I spent a good amount of time getting into his expert take on lab grown versus natural diamonds.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much stigma, confusion, and misinformation out there, especially for people thinking about getting engaged or making a major purchase.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted real answers from someone who lives and breeds this world every single day.
[SPEAKER_01]: We covered a lot and I had a great time with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really excited for you to hear this episode with The Watch King from New York City.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Shay, thank you so much for coming to the name of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, coming all the way down to Palm Beach to the Boca area to have this conversation with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Good, this looks used to be out of the cold weather.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's good to be here, beautiful podcasts, everything it looks amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm honored to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an honor to meet you in person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been working with you for I feel like months now trying to get things right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are going to be helping us with our wedding bands and a bunch of stuff you've been helping us with Christmas gifts so it's really an honor to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: My honor, appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for having me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people look at you and they look at your handle.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're watching NYC and they see this larger than life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Handsome, schmoozy guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to hear about how you got there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want to know about your childhood.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're born in Queens, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me, you're like, yeah, born in our hasidic household.
[SPEAKER_02]: My dad's like the chief fried by not community.
[SPEAKER_01]: No way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, born still.
[SPEAKER_02]: Still?
[SPEAKER_02]: one of six kids group has said, you know, what the curls on the bald head and being when looking guys, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: No way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, for people we that are listening and they see these, these men walking through the airports and they're always praying and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does it mean to be a acidic Jew as opposed to like a regular Jew?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's devoting your life.
[SPEAKER_02]: So religion to God, I mean, it's their way, I don't believe in that way, I believe God is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I believe they use religion as power to control, that's why I left.
[SPEAKER_02]: 22 will get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a brainwashed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the religious community will come after you, but I think it's all a brainwashed and that's the way they control you and to feel like they may God fearful when God is loving You're a parent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a parent.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love our children unconditionally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what God is.
[SPEAKER_02]: God is our parent.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll love us no matter what we do We can be the biggest criminal I don't know if God forbid some people do something then that's what we don't but he still loves us because we're his children
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you mean with that religion, I think it's a lot of religions, but they put that fear in you that you don't follow it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll be in trouble.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to show you right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to, this is happening because you did this.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is happening because God decide that's the way you're going to get.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I believe in.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: My family, my grandfather is from the Ukraine, Ashkenazi, Jo, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and then my mother side is very like Waspy Pumbich, so I'm half of each.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was interesting growing up because my mother really pushed religion on me.
[SPEAKER_01]: My other grandparents were more like New York Jews, like reminds you of Seinfeld, almost, you know what I mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love both sides, but I stopped sort of
[SPEAKER_01]: believing in religion after 9-11.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought if there was a God, how could they do this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it was very confusing for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I like the idea of religion, like, and on holidays, kind of.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like going to church.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like, you know, my other side is still, I go to sayder, and I do all those things, but too much religion is very hard for me to take in, just because of my experience, but for everyone at the life.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, your family raised you very religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, or the Hasidic side never.
[SPEAKER_02]: Went to secular schools and never went to college schools went to boarding school in high school Basically, I was 22 and I decided that this is not for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I left The religion now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not educated.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I do?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I went to 47th Street and got a job friend of mine Gabby asked me If I could bring 50,000 it'll teach me the business the watch business and that's what happened
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but growing up, do they, do you have aspirations like every other kid or you like, oh, I want to be a doctor?
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be a doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be a plastic surgeon.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was my dream.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to watch it on TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to go to talk to doctors.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in teenager to pick their brain and ask them what happens and what it feels like.
[SPEAKER_02]: like, you know, helping somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my dream was to be a doctor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to make that as I'm going to be a doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go to college like, no, you're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be a rabbi.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be a doctor for the soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to cure the soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to cure human being.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you don't need to cure flesh and blood.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I became a rabbi at 22.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I studied, graduated, became rabbi.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, this is not for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to change your life was that really hard for your family?
[SPEAKER_02]: It still is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Phyllis, do you have a good, do you have a relationship?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and now I do, I mean, now I do as I got older, so you have siblings?
[SPEAKER_02]: Six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Six.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have twin brother identical and I have four other siblings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the identical brother do?
[SPEAKER_02]: He owns a franchise called Smash Houseburgers.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's one in Boko.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's one in North Miami and eight in New York City.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's killer than I'm a god bless my twin brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we both broke off.
[SPEAKER_02]: broke off together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd brother's more religious than me now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got beat.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's still.
[SPEAKER_02]: That like acidic, but he's closer to religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we were always together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We went through this journey together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other siblings are still back home.
[SPEAKER_02]: All ultra ultra like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, God bless them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever they want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you go to $47 straight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to $50,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what you're saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got $50,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: I started the business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: How'd you get $50,000?
[SPEAKER_02]: I borrowed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not from your family, obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I actually took it from my dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, did he know you took it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took it on the 50,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just take it and good luck.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Build it into an empire, lost it all in 2012 gambling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gabbled all my money away, ended up only money, over a million bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boy, over a million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lost my business, lost my house, lost everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was homeless, went to rehab therapy for two years, clean my act, and now we're here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you went too fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you start with $50,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what did you think you wanted to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: You wanted to learn the watch business, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because why watch us?
[SPEAKER_02]: You like, I don't know, I just such a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your dad, have nice watch us.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's really just about, he didn't have nothing nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you just liked watching.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I educated it in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just went right in.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my first watch we 11,000 sold it for 11,000, 800, and I was hooked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe $800 and 20 minutes like I'm not doing anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what did you do?
[SPEAKER_01]: You worked for someone else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody taught me the business.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was under his wing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: In a store.
[SPEAKER_02]: In a store he had his own store.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, I met him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did a road test together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Gabby.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really helped me in this business a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I learned from there how to buy and sell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what a Rolex is.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the models are.
[SPEAKER_02]: What it's worth.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the market is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so explain the watch business for people, because I think a lot of people are familiar with Rolex.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other ones get a little fancy, so like, tell me all about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we need to know about the watch business?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's levels, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like car levels, just levels, rich and milk protect, and there's autumn RPG Rolex, and there's a Cartier by Ling Omega.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have FV Jordan that some of them are on the high, some of them are not.
[SPEAKER_01]: You like brands like Omega that they have like a standard low end?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: The watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: It works.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a resell value to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be worth a million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Rolex is the one that I think Rolex is the godfather of the watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the oldest watch brand I believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might be wrong, but steady.
[SPEAKER_02]: 90% of people walk into my store buying a Rolex, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about new versus used markets?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in the U, I'm a use guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so my cars used, I buy my watches used.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you even sell any brand new ones?
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course I sell a brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the market is more there for use.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean obviously I would think for the buyer or the value is there for having something used.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, because again, you buy something new automatically, you're going to lose money on it, unless it's a specialty item, specialty fees, but I need normal watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: So why would you buy new if you can buy you save the $23,000?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to lose.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: All I want my energy on the watch, people want to energy or whatever I want it to be my assault.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: My job is to educate the consumer, to educate him, he'll make his decision.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people say that the luxury watch market is always a good investment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that always true?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't call it an investment.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's investable.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not an investment.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not guaranteed to make money.
[UNKNOWN]: OK.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if people wanted to get in the watch market, what are your favorites?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you like Rolex over something else?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like, what are your Rolexes?
[SPEAKER_02]: No one that shows the most that has been invested.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's invested.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, the old Daytona's, the old Sabaners, the old sport model's, the ones that went up in price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gold watches typically don't very rare they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all depends.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, it's something you're buying.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a burkin.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you guys, women have burkins.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I then investable, no, but you're not going to lose your shirt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You buy it for 25 grand, you sell it for 23,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my go up, if it goes up, you're in the luck, but it's, you know, by breaking the sort of the safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's luxury, it's fashion.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you buy, whenever it is Michael Cores, no offense, you buy it for five grand, you're going to get a hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not a watch brand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Michael, of course, I'm talking about the bad break, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you buy Birkin.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they have watches, don't you?
[SPEAKER_02]: They do, but whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a cheesy, it's fashion, it's fashion, it's fashion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do buyers completely misunderstand about the value in the watch business?
[SPEAKER_02]: But we don't make that much money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, what's interesting?
[SPEAKER_02]: We make more money on jewelry than watches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch as you make on a $12,000 watch, lucky if you make $800,000 a month.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So people like why you spend so much money to make $800, because I sell 10 of those a day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people are still liking, no matter the economy, people are still buying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, it's getting more and more pricey every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now if you had a $10,000, $20,000 budget, like for people that are listening, that are not like the super high-end people, what would you tell them to invest in?
[SPEAKER_02]: Great question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, you would say, come to you, because you have the best deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: They already know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys already know I'm not gonna rip anybody off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes I wish I had that instinct, but I can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one thing I learned.
[SPEAKER_02]: acidic school is my dad always told me don't be greedy don't put 10 fingers in your mouth you're gonna choke right try to fit 10 fit 5 5 is enough 10 it's called a hazard don't be a hazard because you're buying a customer for life you're buying it to the customer right when you buy from you buying to me you don't care you can buy the same model same jewelry anywhere else you're buying it because you trust me that's what I'm trying to build so what watch I advise by a sport model Rolex Batman, Back Girl, Sprite, Pepsi, etc
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have up to twenty twenty five dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard of this Batman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have some sort of a Yeah, give away for a Batman.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's a Batman?
[SPEAKER_02]: Batman is a GMT.
[SPEAKER_02]: We call it a Batman because the black and blue bezel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: So looks like Batman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean we have a sprite and we have a GMT and we have a star box and you have a Hulk and you have all these names.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have all these nicknames for all like this is called a giraffe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love the giraffe.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like a giraffe right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but is this your name for or that's what we call in everybody called in the industry?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, watch guys No, like it's called a giraffe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well for anyone listening that wants to know the most gorgeous watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've ever seen it's the giraffe.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really Okay, you also know the diamond business really.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna get into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did you switch from watches into diamonds?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I did watches till 2012, in 11, 2011, and I started getting into diamonds.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was doing diamonds for two years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Made a lot of money with the upgrades and I'm not gonna get into it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And once I lost my money and gambling, whatever, I went back to watch in 2014.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I knew the diamond market, and I know what, you know, what it's for, what people like to do with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm jewelry because of lab, right, which I want to get into.
[SPEAKER_01]: But before we skip over to that, I actually want to go back to you said you had a business and then you lost it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you before you lost it, were you now on your own?
[SPEAKER_01]: You were still working with this cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you had a store or you were?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was a wholesale owner, office, up to wholesaler.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you're a wholesaler, tell our listeners what that means.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wholesales, you sell to retail stores.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, you see these jewelry stores around the country, around forty-seven street downstairs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Upstairs are all the wholesals who sell them downstairs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So wholesaler will not sell to retail client.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to have a special life.
[SPEAKER_01]: You obviously had done well enough and made those relationships that you had this business that the retailers were buying for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you were doing well for yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: You got involved in gambling?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, watch the casino in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where?
[SPEAKER_02]: In the Atlantic City.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the Trump Hotel?
[SPEAKER_02]: One $18,000 and two hours have set them never going back to forty-seven street again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you thought this was your new college.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my new calling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Jesus.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm good at this and then I ended up being really bad back, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Back, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was really bad at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, how long did you think you were good at it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was 100 pounds and six months.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how bad I was.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you never, like, did you go back to work?
[SPEAKER_02]: I go back and say, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you stayed there and just became again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Put money from people and gambled my life away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you get in trouble?
[SPEAKER_02]: With the law, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean with people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, square.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what was that like having people come and say,
[SPEAKER_02]: horrible, and then I just sat down with people and said, I realize I have a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, give me two years, I'll pair you back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you pay everybody that money back?
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, I want to know how you did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But did you, how did you get the whole business I did it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I went back to watch, and started hustling, moved to Hong Kong for seven years, and built my business.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, hold on.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have so much going on and it's so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't want you to just give through it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So wait, so did you ever have to go to rehab?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how did you get over it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Two years ago, I went to therapy first.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to therapy, set that with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think you really have to want to stop, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Got a doctor in my zone, I sat with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: This nice guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That first thing I told him, I said, you live in my community, don't like be there because of my dad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't give a shit of you that I said, okay, now you can be my therapist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I sat down, I started lying to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, don't come here to lie to me because I'll take you money, but don't waste your time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The hardest thing was to admit what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the hardest thing in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for people listening, how did you get there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I know a lot of people, they don't see the prisoner or there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as you're sitting there admitting that's where you like shit, I want to go back to the casino.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still want to go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I miss it every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's something that I'll not, I mean, I can't do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you don't know what rock bottom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lost 100 pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the whole world money, Barris, they took my house, took my car, they took my everything ever old.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had no choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm going to hurt somebody to make money and go to jail, I'm going to go clean myself on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So at rock bottom, how did you start to rebuild?
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, they teach you it's like one hour at a time, one day at a time, every day is a victory.
[SPEAKER_02]: They take every day, you don't think about tomorrow, you don't think about your team, but now, the moment, every moment is a victory, so every day you're clean, every day you don't go and roll, it's a victory for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took one step out of time, and then I'll never forget.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was on eBay because I had loved watches against.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you know, I saw a watch and I needed money so I went to my guy upstairs.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of my wholesalers, I still done.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this to me, you have $25,000 in Syria.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I'm gonna buy this watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I flip and make $500.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, okay, do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I flipped and made $2,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you know, the watch business.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, yeah, I did it before that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll put all the money, we go $50,50.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to leave the dime business.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I have no business, I'm broke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I done.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now which guy was this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this somebody working?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, his name was Song of God bless him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's an Indian guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the best guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He helped me a lot when I was going through my struggles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, I put all the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll split 50, 50.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, just give me $4,000 a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the rest I make, I'm going to pay my people I want.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I did for two years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you had to find your way in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not condorers, try to get in, try to buying watches and then I learned my way there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you were learning about customers there because they have many of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm learning about buying overseas and selling whole selling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the market, the margin is so much better.
[SPEAKER_02]: The conversion rate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Conversion, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did the conversion rate.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would go there, live there for two weeks, buy, ship it back to the US, sell it to all the stores, and do it for seven years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got a house there, had a apartment, there had anything there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you have a girlfriend there?
[SPEAKER_01]: did you go?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, some were in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you got married and had kids, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do we now want to talk about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I like knowing that you're a father and you can't be committed because you were married.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's give to every guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my children.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I ask, are they older?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're older, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do they, will they follow in your footsteps?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do they like it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I want them to go to college.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want them to get education.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not educated and I regret it every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know people say education is not for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Education is for you when you come into fork in the road.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know how to handle situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Either you handle it, like a street dog, or you handle it with education.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's usually the educational way is better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will tell you as somebody who is highly educated that it is life experience that teaches you how to get through things.
[SPEAKER_01]: The education is good for The basic I don't have the basic it's also good for connections and I will nobody guy didn't me that way Like I will make sure that when my daughter goes to college.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a college that I know 20 years for now when she is in a position where she needs something want something There's some relationships.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where you get the relations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have no kind of connections
[SPEAKER_02]: How I do it, thanks to social media.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we'll get to there before that.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the regular gun, the streets, nobody know why it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're in Hong Kong, you're figuring this whole thing out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And is it mostly watches or it's diamonds?
[SPEAKER_02]: Only watches.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK. And was there some lesson out of that experience?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you were like, oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the biggest thing I learned from Hong Kong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you think we're big people in New York City, Hong Kong have the biggest fish in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to Macau, I'm not gonna lie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went there, I call my therapist, I was like, I gotta go see Macau, Macau was like Vegas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I gotta say how they gamble there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, quick go, but promising, I can apply.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said I promised I'm not gonna have no money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went and I see people, I saw Chinese people.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're playing the way they played.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're so smart, educated, done much money.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have, it was different, cause it was a different world that I was in.
[SPEAKER_02]: They built their buildings in the New Year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who tells or whatnot?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those New York City times 10.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They ever been?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've flown through there.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are regimented.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's thoughtful and everything that they do meticulous.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a different culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Older.
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are focused on something, and don't mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I had, they threw me out of Hong Kong and my whole phone is Super Bowl in 2020, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: When COVID started or 21, my whole phone was first Super Bowl.
[SPEAKER_02]: that day I went to Hong Kong for the last time and I don't go in three years later because the COVID hit then and I remember like what the hell is COVID and they're like no it's not for you guys it's a Chinese virus just get to hell out of you go back to America.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we went on the plane to like all Chinese customers have to wear masks America's don't because you guys are going back home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow
[SPEAKER_02]: Then when they hit America, I was like, oh, well, it's not the first one who got COVID, like, for nerds out there, but then you got out and got back to America.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, we couldn't stay there.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said, if you're staying here, we're going to close this place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love, little did you know they closed.
[SPEAKER_02]: They closed, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they closed Hockout for two years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, that's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how did you come back to America and COVID hits?
[SPEAKER_01]: So what was your business like then?
[SPEAKER_02]: Think thing, just shipping back and forth.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, I got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And is that when your Instagram started to take off?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was February 2nd, 2022.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, tell me why would I have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, up until then, did you do shit on Instagram?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just posting whatever it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: And February said, I would be on all these other TikTokers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And people like, oh, I saw you on this guy's TikTok.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I was like, you know, let me try.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I call my partner and I'm like, bro, let's do TikToks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no, I still listen to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna boost downstairs in a cost $2,000 a month, just like all the way in the back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a year lease in a cost of your $24,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Either we hit it or we don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's try.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want, I'm not in, that's not okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you stay upstairs, run the service center, I'll go downstairs with the TikTok guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: And, at this time, were you already watching NYC?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's self.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like today, I was right now five times before I came in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, everywhere we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're not even in New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It shows you the reach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it reaches everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: People come every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, so what happened in February?
[SPEAKER_02]: Every second I started TikTok, I was so nervous because I was like, can't wish I could in real life like, I have like social anxiety for people.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm in a cry to room, I try to go a week because I'm getting anxiety from a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's so funny with your personality.
[SPEAKER_01]: People probably just think you're too cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very shy in real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know where it doesn't come off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably walked up, I said, yo, you didn't come say hi to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, bro, I'm a shy kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: People with a lot of people walking, I just go to the back and the high, because I don't know what to tell people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like yesterday, when I was going to Rosanna, I was shaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't sleep all night.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like I have a hole in my stomach.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if you put me in a public room, 100 people, I probably want to flirt to open and bury me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have like, so I have like, anxiety from public speaking or I get nervous.
[SPEAKER_02]: TikTok really helped me through it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was much worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we did the first video.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't matter what it was about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I flipped a watch to carry the gun mother, a skydweller.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay now tell people about this flipping because that's something that you do that I did it with Moses Okay Moses is a famous Tik Toker who was before me on Tik Tok I want to take that because of him so I so he came to my office one time You want to buy a watch you are arguing for five hundred else Let's flip a coin for that five hundred bucks So that's where the start is I get let's do it, but I wasn't a Tik Tok Yeah, he was he was recording us doing negotiation got it so we started with that I say no what Moses has his mazaldis guy has this I said I'm just I'm gonna start to coin flips on Tik Tok That's what happened
[SPEAKER_02]: So me and him started together and I was like, that's going to be my niche of the coin slips.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically for people that don't know because they're not on your site yet, you say, okay, this watch is $10,000, I'll give it to you for $8,000 or you're paying $12,000, depending on who.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do with customers all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, for real, all customers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even when the camera's not rolling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, so 9% of the customer don't be on camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do people come in and say, listen, the guy across the street said it was this much, that's how you get the amount or how do you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they decide.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I tell a customer walks to my store.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you buy the cheaper anywhere else, that price, you show me I deduct the thousand bucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go shop around.
[SPEAKER_01]: How often are you winning in this coin?
[SPEAKER_02]: I lose eight out of ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: You lose eight out of ten?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you always say, heads or tails?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't call, they call, I follow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they call, and do they always call heads?
[SPEAKER_02]: 80% call heads?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, then the percentage is show that you should always be saying heads.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just mean, I don't call it like the good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying if something's in that position, you flipped with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm going to tell you what he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: 80% see heads.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now let's talk about what you're doing now because you have two million followers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're doing talks, you know, you have your Wednesday days where you're getting it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're in the car and you're like, here's my advice for the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just saved from my brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm not educated.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I can't see something with fancy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just talk like a street kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot, I suffer to the stuff people suffer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not embarrassed to talk about my addiction, my anxiety.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I go through.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we all have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: People stick me like, oh, he's not normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the whole world suffers from some sort of mental disorder, but they're embarrassed of what they have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not embarrassed as me, either you like it or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't like it, I can't focus more than five minutes in the conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll start.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see, we even doing our conversation, I'll just jump to a different topic and jump back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I've noticed, like, you're on the phone, you're on the, you're on TikTok, you're like having, but I mean, that's the majority of people by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm okay with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's important what you bring up because everyone is suffering in their own mind from like 1,000 different insecurities or things that are going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love, like, for example, you posted the other day, you said, I woke up, I'm not feeling well today.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not feeling well today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you didn't say whether it was like, you had bad news or you physically felt sick or whatever, but you just said, I'm not having a great day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not having a great day.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I felt stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, I just did this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, I thought it sucked.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt bad about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I'll doubt on myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm gonna make a video about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We feel like shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's okay, you just keep it moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So your message was, but what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who gives it shit?
[SPEAKER_01]: No one's crying for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna get up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna have a good day and make something of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what was interesting, because I was doing some research on you, that got 50,000 likes, whereas some of the other ones, which are talking about watches, get 50,000 likes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like people don't care about what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they care a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: They care more about that than they care about the flips.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I love because they're like, oh, we look forward to it every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love what you say or whatnot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had my old nanny, I saw the other day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see her in years.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, you know, I watch you every day and I look forward to your things every morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, my day, she's a nice lady.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she doesn't know me.
[SPEAKER_02]: She doesn't owe me anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: She'd saw me on the street, like, oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: I miss you and I watch your advice of the day every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I decide to say just I try to help as much people as I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and from the interaction, it seems like you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I try, listen, I try to tell people that we're all the same, we're all in the same boat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just because one is here, one is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't mean we're different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about a day in the life for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get up.
[SPEAKER_01]: What time do you get up?
[SPEAKER_02]: Get up six, 30, go to the gym.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you live?
[SPEAKER_01]: You live in Brooklyn or in Queens?
[SPEAKER_01]: Queens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Born and raised.
[SPEAKER_02]: I go to the gym.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a trainer three times a week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I work on myself three times a week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get to our on the 11.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do my advice that day on the way to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen to sports video every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: No music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it just starts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're there from 11 to what?
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys close it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And is it slow?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it crazy all the time?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you guys... Have you solved for two hours and can you be busy with that?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, are you getting DMs?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't answer my DMs.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do some one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone looks, but...
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, in your DMs, are people like, I want that watch or how much we're doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I leave a phone number where they can call.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say so many people are like, oh, you don't answer DMs, you're so cocky.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not cocky.
[SPEAKER_02]: 9% of people on my DMs are just wasting my time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, say hi or for example, you know what you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, when you called me like, I want XYZ.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't say, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, let me ask you a question.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much is a 10-carid lab?
[SPEAKER_02]: You say, I want a 10-carid lab or whatever it is 13-carid stone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want a 10-carid this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want this XYZ.
[SPEAKER_02]: then I know you're serious.
[SPEAKER_02]: People say how much is this 40 millimeter day, just what it's a 41 millimeter, I know they're just trying to engage in conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I try not to answer, I leave it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Phone number is, there's a phone number you can reach.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have 10 employees downstairs who can answer your question and whatever what you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let's get into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The real reason why I think it's very interesting to have this conversation is because you are the,
[SPEAKER_01]: you are the leading authority, you are the expert on diamonds watches, but I wanted to have you on because there's such a big conversation about the value of a stone, the value of something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, in this day and age money is somewhat hard to come by, and so let's specifically talk about lab ground, which is brought up before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think there is a huge stigma that everyone knows that lab grown is not a diamond.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lab grown is less than I think the stigma is oh he bought you a lab grown well then he doesn't have that much money you're not as important to them all these things whereas I don't I don't know that that is true and well it's not true but I think that I need people to hear from you the actual difference in lab grown and real diamonds and why they are becoming the hottest thing to buy right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll never buy natural diamonds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is interesting because you're in the business.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in the business.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not lab because all of us are make lab.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like factory Rolex, but I wear lab.
[SPEAKER_02]: I advise you to wear lab, but now this is the analogy I always use.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, there's two ways to make ice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: One done.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 20 degrees outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: The water becomes ice.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the natural way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's the machine way through a freezer.
[SPEAKER_02]: They both ice?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes?
[SPEAKER_02]: They both make your water cold or whatever that it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: They both ice.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is made in the laboratory.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that machine was made naturally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing with diamond.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're both diamonds.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is made naturally from the ground mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one is made in the laboratory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it's important to reiterate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are both dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're both dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the misconception is that a lab grown diamond is not a diamond.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a diamond.
[SPEAKER_02]: You put in a diamond test.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to pass.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only time it's not going to pass.
[SPEAKER_02]: You put in a special machine that it turns red that's told that it's fake.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a diamond.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just made differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, so I'm gonna girl with the hands of this girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's still a pretty girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: She hasn't had some exciting arms So that's not a joke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not trying to make fun of anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody wants to know what it has.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody wants you know Every girl or man wants to look young.
[SPEAKER_02]: I put both talks for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a human.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I haven't had this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to wrinkles in my head I think what a diamond.
[SPEAKER_02]: So why would why would you spend?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say a million dollars on a 10-carot natural when you can buy the same exact stone for 10-grain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about the difference in how they look.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same look, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same circle.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I did the other day?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna say it out here and every set of your friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: I took two lab diamonds.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, two lab necks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, one is natural, one is lab guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who knows the difference?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knows the difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is lab, this is natural, this is lab, this is natural, this is natural, this is natural, this is natural, this is natural, this is natural.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I put in the machine before I buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a meal doesn't follow the difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knows that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is the point too that no one can tell the difference besides the person who's looking through a like a gemologist.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even Jones can't tell.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to put in the machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so it's that specific.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I did some research on this, to just explain like easily for people listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Natural diamond, it's formed underground over one to three billion years under extreme heat and pressure.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds crazy to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: lab grown created in a lab in weeks using technology that replicates the exact same heat pressure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, bottom line there, chemically, physically and optically identical.
[SPEAKER_01]: They look the same, they have the same sparkle, the same brilliance, the same hardness, I don't know what that means, but the same fire and clarity.
[SPEAKER_01]: To the naked eye, there's no visual difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's talk about when you're going to buy a stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: You always hear the color, the VVS, the one, the D, the F, talk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's D, that color and clarity, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The D, D, E, F, G, D to Z, they have C, but it's very rare.
[SPEAKER_02]: D to Z is the color.
[SPEAKER_02]: Z is yellow, yellow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: D is white.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: D, E, F is top tier, G, H, I, second tier.
[SPEAKER_01]: And color means what brilliance that means the white that's coming exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you have the clarity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Flores is number one, as VVS is VVS one, VS two, VS two.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes down the whole width side.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's some of these you can get through and it might mean that there is an issue with the clarity but no one to the naked eye could see.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a size.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's good in natural.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you buy natural, sometimes I want natural, you buy stud, you buy I ones, because nobody sees them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not naked on its cheaper.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was back then, day when you buy, engaging ring, you know, buy VVSes, you buy S-I's, because nobody sees it a clean S-I where it's little black, and sometimes you won't see it unless you have a loop.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: for your money, you mean, for your money, for the money you go SI, SI1, SI2, VS2, if you're feeling saucy, but today there's a lot of nobody cares, natural took such a hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but that's you're sure because people do care, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uber and New York those medallions, remember there were taxi medallions in New York, the yellow cab, you had to have a medallion, each one of those were the million bucks, and they were never selling it, today it's worth nothing because Uber came out, so once you read, because you can't rent that medallion, they were over the cares, I can become a boujouer myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to get across that somebody in the diamond business still thinks or still thinks that the better, I don't want to say investment, but the better purchase is is lab.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do people disagree with me all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they sell natural.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: What they sell.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can sell both.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't straight up, why would you spend 30,000?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to sell it, it's very simple.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to sell me this natural three-carot you bought for 30k to more.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much am I paying you?
[SPEAKER_02]: 15,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: You lose 50% of your money.
[SPEAKER_02]: You buy this three-carot for three-grain.
[SPEAKER_02]: how much am I paying you and you sell it back to me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The melt of the stone.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you lose 25,000, you lose 15,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are we doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the future, we don't care about the, we don't, if you want to invest in money by house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll put it in diamonds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about people talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say diamonds is an investment.
[SPEAKER_02]: They used to be Tel Aviv Kimmel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, it's not an investment anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, so people that are that are thinking about this in their head, you have $30,000, like this person caught the call to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I say buy a bird can for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She'd rather a bird can in a lab diamond than a real diamond and if we can no fence, a coach bag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but that's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what would you rather?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not getting a coach bag.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, but it's a good point.
[SPEAKER_01]: $30,000 will get you a very tiny reel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three carry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three carry.
[SPEAKER_02]: So by five carry, but it's low color, low clarity looks.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, a good stone is a very small stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can spend the same amount, or you actually can't spend the same amount.
[SPEAKER_01]: For $30,000, you can buy the whole amount.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is what we're going to talk about in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for say, five, ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: thousand.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get a very large stone if that is what it is important to you in your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: When my fiance was looking for a ring for me, he got some advice from our best friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a gay couple.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're in their 60s.
[SPEAKER_01]: They live here in Palm Beach.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the guy said,
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you something, Dan.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't buy the stone for her.
[SPEAKER_01]: You buy it for you because people look at her hand and then they look at you and then they say, oh, I know who she's married to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for him, it was really important to him to buy big stones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, let's talk about, I know you have a girl that you have talked about on your Instagram that came to you and her fiance had bought her a very exciting, tell the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they were getting engaged.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and he, he went to a store, I'm not going to see where I don't want to call anybody here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they sold her a 10-car a lab for $40,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not mistaken, 38, 48.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the number.
[SPEAKER_02]: They gave her a price of a $60k.
[SPEAKER_02]: She called me, she's like, listen, we got separated.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much is the stone worth?
[SPEAKER_01]: But she wanted to sell it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want you to go back to people's solitude for $40,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they will not take it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not sure to cost you a penny over $8,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was like, well, then it came to my brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, well, maybe it bothers me that, listen, everybody's entitled to make money, but you can't just, you have to educate the customer and then you make money, but you have to make 4,000% of your money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the point there for people listening, if you're buying a lab grown, which now you should be, and it's not a bad stigma, and it's not a bad investment, like you're wasting your money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're spending more than what?
[SPEAKER_01]: 10, 15, even, like, even the biggest ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's less than $15.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just not that's not the price.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if anyone is telling you that oh, it's the best of the best lab grown.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they're quoting you more than 15,000, you're getting robbed.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting robbed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Getting robbed straight highway robbery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't want to get robbed, go to watchkinjilui.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, good night.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, right, so this is also what I looked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: LabGrum, it said, this is from ChatGPT, everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, labGrum is 60 to 80% cheaper than natural.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, cheaper than that?
[SPEAKER_01]: The like I was looking at stones.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I went into, I won't say the name of the jewelry store, but it's a big one here in Palm Beach.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at something it was between seven and nine carrots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say the prices were over $300,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Natural.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, natural, obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, those were the smallest ones because we're in here in Palm Beach and we're looking at 15 cares.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was another.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those were up to $700,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is crazy money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if someone went to you and said, Here's a picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want this stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can replicate that stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: For my cost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch it at jewelry.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: I jewelry at my cost.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I invented watch in July.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was sick and tired of hearing people getting ripped off and I say, no, I'm going to create a membership program where it's $100 a year, which is nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys spend more money on Starbucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: $8 coffee that tastes like no offense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't drink coffee, so it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: But $8 a month, which is $100 a year, you get my jewelry at my cost, which is whatever my cost, and I'll show you that's what you pay.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Life is not anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even natural.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do my costs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is not involved in the watches.
[SPEAKER_01]: No watches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just jewelry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just jewelry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can make anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to have it in your store.
[SPEAKER_01]: So someone could take a picture of something, say, I want this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they're part of your membership.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You also have some special deals going on with your membership, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we do giveaways every week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every time we make 200 members, we do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Julie, give away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're doing a watch giveaway, December 24th.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you just started this membership.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we could go.
[SPEAKER_01]: How many do you have a good amount?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how many?
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost 400.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not enough yet, because now we're going to start promoting it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I became a member.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So does that mean every time you have a member?
[SPEAKER_02]: Every time you get anything for cost.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it doesn't mean that I'm in your pools like I do give away and every time I do give away, even if you win, you're still in it for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I might say get a member from my daughter for everyone I know just so I have a bigger chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing the watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: December 24th.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to do it because we see a brand new Batman.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about 17,000 dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but it sounds like at the end of the day, you would lose money now.
[SPEAKER_02]: On what?
[SPEAKER_01]: On having to give things away for cost.
[SPEAKER_02]: For now, I'm losing ten vests.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amazon lost two in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at him now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good way to look at things.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't look at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know when you lose when you quit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just investing money, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing when you buy stocks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes down.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, down.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you cash out your down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to me about the resale of a lab diamond.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no resale at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you buy it at my cost, you're not giga.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if somebody comes to you, they buy a $5,000 lab ground by it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They break up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to sell it back.
[SPEAKER_01]: How does that work?
[SPEAKER_02]: They get melt whatever the melt is on the jewelry and the gold.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's maybe $100 a car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, so it still goes down.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes down, but if you buy a $20,000, you get $10,000, you buy $5,000, you get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's true that most diamonds lose value the second you walk out the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a good car.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing in jewelry is investible.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we're telling you this investment is just lying to you straight up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you the truth how it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: People hate me because of it, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing is investible.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's investible in the future is a real estate, maybe a stock market, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Invest in yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: You look good, doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me ask you a question, you eat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an investment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, on your body.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The losing money, you're paying for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you go up to the bathroom and it comes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The injury.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wear it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay to lose two grand to have a good time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are at the club spend 30,000 on the bottle.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't see them losing money.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also, you know, there are so many people and I believe them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of got to fake it till you make it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to look the part.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's say you have very little money.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so broke, but I look like I'm rich.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm wearing lunch.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but seriously, if you want to go for a job interview, you're going to show up like a schmuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no one's going to give you the job.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to look the part you got to invest.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have no money, buy a good suit.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a song, and Google, they don't wear Versace, whatever, Gucci belt.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, when I reach there, I won't wear a Gucci belt all the way for now, I have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, my right or wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the most important truth that I got from chat, GPT on this, most diamonds natural included are not good investments, but, but their investment in, in the woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: the woman investing in her investing in yourself because she looks good look you go out of girl she goes by herself they look at her if she looks like not fans that she's worth nothing like who's the man who's making her feel this way right if she looks like a million bucks and she looks unapproachably going to be like oh this is so-and-so girls like wow look at him yeah right that's my investment in your woman bashing in jewelry dot com
[SPEAKER_01]: How much do you think luxury buying today is about status and perception than actual value?
[SPEAKER_02]: All of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all wear it for status.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all wear it for attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think I do Instagram for?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you want the attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all have attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just admit it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But do you think that people will get over this stigma?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I hear it all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, you got a chicken carer ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: It clearly is last.
[SPEAKER_02]: So watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you say lab.
[SPEAKER_02]: When she tells you it's not, she's looking like, oh my god, you got ripped off.
[SPEAKER_02]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's got a lab for a cheap price.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: She took the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take the $30,000 by a 10-carer lab for whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: 8k, 9k, 5k, whatever the color cloud is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then take the money, put it in S&P 500.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give it to kids in 20 years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's S&P vouchers that do for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if people tell you that they'll fairy tales.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I love that you're saying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the biggest mistake people make when buying watches or diamonds?
[SPEAKER_01]: besides the price, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: They think it's investible, that's the biggest problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so besides that, though, like, that they're not, do you think it's important to be educated?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you have to be educated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look what happened to people who weren't about life for 40 grand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hell's yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's my job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I educate the customer before you walks in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you see it, if you come, I'll always educate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I always tell the customer, don't buy it today.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy, I don't want you to buy
[SPEAKER_02]: So people find you don't find me if they don't like people ask where's watching like he's not here anymore Just to steal the customer like why would you do that people come to you where's this guy's a he's a close to you right there Does it say watch can't I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm gonna store have my own store front so now they see it
[SPEAKER_01]: But do you think that social media has played a huge part in your sales?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a God and also a social media.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have the start today because God of course, I still believe in God, 100% and social media.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so it's not people walking by.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, people don't have to have seen you want to go to see you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Instagram, TikToks, change my whole business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do people do stupid shit?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they come in and they're, and they're like, Yeah, one guy's like, uh, so I got robbed a few months ago outside my house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, it was 10 o'clock in the morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took half a million dollars and merchandise for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took my wallet.
[SPEAKER_02]: You took my chains, everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you get hurt?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got, I got Tays.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was walking to my car.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a guy who, a construction suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I turned around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I see a gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: My life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was, I hope it's not a real gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those Tays are.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he Tays me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not the, the one that comes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know, you ever wonder what, unfortunately, what a paralyzed person feel like I was paralyzed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I started running to my house and then they attacked me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the missed one leg hit, one hit the leg, one hit the side of my belt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see you weren't fully, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I one leg was like the elves, I was like wobbly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they beat me, took all my shit and ran away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I got in the car, the cops came, I want to chase them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got even worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, because Ram boom, in the car accident, 10 seconds later, my shoulder got dislocated.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might have a six-day inflate to go to David Dobuk's birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_02]: So honestly, that's why I said, like, don't have self-pity.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could have sat home and been depressed.
[SPEAKER_02]: My God, I just got robbed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you know, fuck this, I'm not going to stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, six-day, I went with a cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just got robbed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need jewelry in a wallet in my house.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's in two hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm in the house, bro.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you can't travel without it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I can't go to Dobrik's birthday without any that shouldn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: You came to my house, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually went to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to the house before PM, they checked me out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went straight to work, picked up my jewelry again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how I done it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they never will live.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this day, unfortunately, the cops have their hands tied because God bless New York City and their laws.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're smart, they came out of tazer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they didn't come with a deadly weapons.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to get away the next day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's go to catch you.
[SPEAKER_02]: To book him and let him go.
[SPEAKER_02]: what it that makes me question I'm insurance you know everybody talks about that insurance but they didn't cover me they're like oh you did an insurance scam if you saw an Instagram and people wrote on the comments you'll be like whoa you're a scam or you're a thief you did it for the insurance first of all I would I'd danger my life for 4-inch a grant 5-inch grant thank god I can afford it second of all I don't have insurance because I was caring
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't carrying it, I was holding it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only had 140,000 insurance.
[SPEAKER_02]: It took half a million, so I lost 300,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I'm sorry to hear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they took my bag, it would have been, they could have said insurance fraud.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they took my bag.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let me just question, because people that get jewelry, I want to educate them a little bit on the insurance portion of everyone should get insurance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even on lab.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get insurance diamonds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, get insurance, not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 10 grand, it's still money.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it goes what on your home insurance.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do all of that, try to do the jewelry,
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_02]: But get insurance.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even on the smallest things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were advising your best friend buying an engagement today, what would you tell them to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Lab only.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lab only.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like is there a certain shape?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's whatever she likes, but they all look nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, we all have different tastes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But lab only.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK. And then what about settings?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of stuff on Instagram right now about all these different settings.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you like?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of the different settings?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Dainter is nicer to me, but everyone has their own taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you were a big rock, have it like Tiffany style plane, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you have a small rock, I make it look big and do halo setting.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a bunch of size shoes from, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You and I have been talking about the wedding band.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're still kind of creating it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have suggested to me to wear my wedding band on the opposite hand, which I love that idea, because then every year I could buy a new one and stack.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also going to change your stacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to take all those braces, put it on here, because that's empty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And once there's a watch is the own, the only, alone, and then you have the braces like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I'll, I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm doing it wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'm doing it wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just, I believe we're going to upgrade it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe the same thing is like an engagement, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You wear the big ass rock here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wear the big ass wedding band, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So both had their shining.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're working on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need a couple more diamonds in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got to fix it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch, can you lure that come?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we've gone through all this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, what's the biggest myth about diamonds or watches?
[SPEAKER_01]: You wish people would stop believing immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great question.
[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest myth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, investable.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a luxury item.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mean the myth is that people think, oh, this is like investing in investing in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's important now for people to listen.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you love it, buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But don't buy it because you think, oh, I'm gonna get my money out.
[SPEAKER_02]: By a show, you're gonna make your money back.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but you wear it, you enjoy it, you love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you get whatever you can when you sell in the second market.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you sell a bag, you sell shoes.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a market for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some will go up, some will, and that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like buying a car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for me, it's the hardest thing about this whole conversation that people are going to think.
[SPEAKER_01]: The people that think it will still think that lab, grown, diamonds are cheap.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're not educated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The smart investment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, that's that's the way that's that's the thing that they're missing and that's the the changing of the minds going forward is that that is the smart and that's a flying first class paying $20,000 or flying through points, what do you think I do, I don't pay 20 grand.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Jew.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't fucking pay to never.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll drive there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go by boat before I pay 20,000.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I get it to points.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm still listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to walk on there like I paid for it and I tell me, oh, I just paid it like, no, you didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't change how they serve you in this class.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are just as your money is just as good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your points are just as good.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a system for reasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Only gotta do this educate yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: The more you get educated, the more you're going to learn the more you're not going to get ripped off and the more you're going to feel comfortable about yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not embarrassed to say this is live and I'm a jeweler.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you know now about money and value that you wish you understood earlier in life?
[SPEAKER_02]: Money can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Money can be the root of all evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can be the best thing that ever happened to you depends how you spend it.
[SPEAKER_02]: People make money and they become cocky.
[SPEAKER_02]: They become ego-tistical.
[SPEAKER_02]: And money can humble you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll go with your money, help people who need help.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I was driving here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw a guy, it's his veteran, I need money for food.
[SPEAKER_02]: Took out a hundred bucks, gave it to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was so thankful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why should he be there on the street?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree, it's really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the underdog, like I am.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I felt bad for like, you guys served in a country.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, it's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's sitting on the street asking for money to take care of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: People look at him, oh, like, don't look at him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they can be you one day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They immediately asked for five for 30 cents when I was in the casino.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when I realized I had an issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had five dollars to pay for parking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll never forget, it was four dollars and 70 cents I had left.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said, you're not leaving.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're short 30 cents.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just lost my ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a too bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I begged for 30 cents on the street to get my car out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember driving home crying.
[SPEAKER_02]: I came back the next day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I knew I had a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: But isn't it interesting that having an experience like that now remind you to stay right where you are?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was to ever feel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was just saying just don't enjoy the money, do go with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't spend it in live for 30k.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: that's great advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, lastly, what is next for you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's on your bucket list?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to do more than what you're doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you, like, I know you just started this membership thing, so this is going to be a big deal for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I know your mindset is to kind of live in the moment, but like, is there something you really want to do with your life?
[SPEAKER_02]: your cancer for children.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my whole go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes me sick when I watch these kids up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I cry every day when I watch, I see TikToks at night.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sensitive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a June baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I cry every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch at these kids up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes me crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact don't change something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I care about.
[SPEAKER_01]: But how could you change something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like by getting a leg, making some money you could donate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Build hospitals, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hopefully they find a cure for this shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe something you can do could sponsor a charity.
[SPEAKER_02]: I try every day, but what's my next goal?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you get a TV show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: About what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think I sing celebrities or what do you mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you want a TV show about talking about jewelry with the big, big, big people.
[SPEAKER_02]: People watch whatever they call that to real estate shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our shows are much better than the real estate shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our real time is not dramatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can make it dramatic, but.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love that idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you in talks with people, yeah?
[SPEAKER_02]: We were back and forth, but you know what Hollywood does.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a really good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get, it's like a girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just disappear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like a millionaire listing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for the watch business, the jewelry business.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lab grown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lab grown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So tell people one more time how they can get involved with your membership program.
[SPEAKER_02]: Simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know if you sick of getting ripped off
[SPEAKER_02]: Julia Ting is manager.
[SPEAKER_02]: You go to WatchCanjolary.com, hundreds of all of the years, my jewelry and my costs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't believe me, you can try me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I come out as a liar, you get any piece of jewelry you want for free.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as knowing you, being a client, being a friend, I would say that I will never buy jewelry from anywhere else.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You made my day.
[SPEAKER_02]: If she can buy from me, so can all of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trust me, she's.
[SPEAKER_02]: She knows what she wants.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't deal with people like I deal with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little bit of a difficult person.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I definitely call you just, you're bougie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I deal with bougie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm bougie too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm bougie too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to make sure that you don't, you know, I love bougie people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it makes me nervous when you travel to Dubai and you go at all these places.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you get hurt, who's fucking with my ring?
[SPEAKER_02]: I get hurt a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm worried about the money in the business.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get a fuck about the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like it hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: My kids are dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna let me go hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that you have never.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still have a belief.
[SPEAKER_02]: I put film every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll film this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, to be rap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wrap it every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one thing I never stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every morning for I wake up my rap.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Last piece of advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give one of your daily tips for people listening or your daily, whatever, mom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be humble.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never know, it'd be nice to people, never know when you might need somebody and just because you can change somebody's day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never know, one smile, one hug, one good morning, one how you doing, people just open up to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are alone in this world.
[SPEAKER_02]: They need people to open up to talk to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It might save somebody's life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody got to be decided to hurt him so that when you were nice to him today and you just smile at him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try, it doesn't hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, it doesn't cost money.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that, but it's a really good line.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, watch King NYC, go to his Instagram.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a phone number there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been my honor to be a promise to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're the first box I've ever been.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're done.
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