Game Mess Mornings 08/03/23

You know, we a gummy bit. It's the Internet. You're busy. Let's do this for August third, twenty twenty three. For the next hour or so, let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game Mess Mornings Live with me Jeff Grubb. Today, Nintendo is making a lot of money and more. But first please join me. Welcoming today's co host to Game Mess Mornings. It's Mike Manadi. Everybody, Mike, how are you doing. Believe it or not, it's just me. Yay, yay, I'm good. Hold on, I let's talk about this a little bit. But on my social it's almost called it a Twitter and then I almost called it the new thing, and then I got mad, So yeah, I didn't do that. But on that site, uh, you know, you ever go to a subreddit and it's like about a hobby, you're really excited for us, and then it's just a really weird experience. Like you know, there's a there's a game cube subreddit on Reddit, and I was like, oh, this is great. People are gonna really talk about GameCube and like the collecting scene and all this stuff, and everybody there like shares things and writes like my parents do. On Facebook. You know, it's always like here's it's always like a picture of like four GameCube games, and it's like rate my collection, or like a picture of like sometimes like what do you think of Mario Sunshine. There's a lot of people asking other people to solve their problems for them. Oh yeah, of course, the most base level social media stuff, and then like people looking for validation. Sure, yes, that's all it is. You know, that's kind it's almost endearing at this point, like when you've got to place in and they seem like, oh, this is just a bunch of people who are kind of older now, and why are all these GameCubes? So that doesn't make any sense. Frankly, I'm against it. Uh yeah, that's uh. That has happened to me for sure. But it's weird to hear that happening with the GameCube subright. I thought that's where the hippest people would be hanging out. I thought it would be so cool, you know, Yeah, but no, it's a kind of lame. I'm sorry to Eddie. GameCube subre that includes you now, so you're includes me now I'm part of them. I'm lame because sure, all right, we're gonna get into this mess here in a second, but just you know, I just want to double check Mike. You, uh, we've been playing anything fun recently? You've been doing anything No? No, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think when flour is a real good yeah you got yeah, we did everybody. He's been compromised to a permanent pigmin fanui pick Manati is real. Yes, it's it's the loop, right, you just like you kind of can't sell fun. You want to do one more day. You just want to do one more day, to do one more day. I want to always do one more day because I leave the one day. I'm like, well I shouldn't get to do that. Exactly. I open up this new play. It's it's super pleasant, right, but it's not not a cozy game, not a cozy game. No, it's kind of doing things. Yes, they're strain and there's stress and uh and then just a bit yeah exactly. They don't overdo it. And this is the one again. I think they just figured out all the balance with all that stuff here. So oh my god, purple people either said one day more and now I want to do a lame miss one day more parody about just playing another day of Pickman. Yes, beautiful. Everyone would like that. Yeah, everyone's that. Everyone's been clamoring for it. I think that's what the word clamoring wasn't going to everyone. They've been work to your sure, I think they've been lobsterring for lobstering. That's exactly for audio listeners. I'm wearing my meat shirt here today. There we go. All right, this is a mess, and we're gonna explain what we do here most week days, I, Jeff Grebelt, piece your gaming life back together. That includes breaking news and maybe even some of our own original reporting. For all these topics, I'll get the input of a bona fide expert who will make me look smart. If you are watching live on Twitch, well welcome. You can always listen to the show later on podcast feeds by searching for Game Mess Mornings, or find the RSS on giant bomb dot com. You can also catch the show later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. Hello YouTube. Okay, we have a lot to get into, so let's start the Morning Mess with Nintendo Switch has now sold over one hundred and twenty nine million units worldwide. This is from my Nintendo News. Nintendo has announced this morning that the Nintendo Switch family of systems have shifted over one hundred twenty nine point five three million units worldwide since it's launch in March twenty seventeen. The Nintendo three DS has sold seventy five point nine four million units since it's released in twenty eleven, and the WEU did thirteen point five six million. The Wei has sold one hundred and one point six three million units since it's launch, and then Nintendo DS remains the best selling Nintendo hardware at one hundred and fifty four point zero two million units. This is one hundred basically one hundred thirty million on the back of Tiers of the Kingdom coming out. That's a pretty big boost, you know, getting up to hundred and thirty million, is that, you know? With Tears of the Kingdom here and getting two hundred and thirty million, Do you think now it still has the juice to get to I'm just knocked the hell out of my microphone. I like that. That was a very good yes in Italian I approved, Thank you very much. Yes, I thought you would like that. Do you think it's gonna get to one hundred and fifty ish million range now? Because like Tears the Kingdom happened, and it's at one hundred and thirty million. All right, all right, where was it up of four Tears of the Kingdom? I can't. I'm gonna look it up right now while we discussed it. So, because we have a holiday season still and that's going to you know obviously that that always helped. This might be the last holiday season for this switch, right, so you know, we're all expecting this Swich show to come out before the next holiday, So it might be a little touch and go. It might be a little touch and go if it can do that there, or we're still going to have some games. We have the two D Mario game that's going to matter. It's gonna sell alat of systems. I don't know. I don't think there's going to be an other system seller quite like Zeta and after yeah, Mario Wonder probably nothing on that level anymore either, right, and yeah, we'll get into some of these other details. But the Mario effect of like the movie happening and people going showing up for Mario games, that's already kind of happened. Like people who want to get an Antenno system for Mario for Mario. They've been doing that because of the movie. So Wonder is going to come out. I think it's gonna sell very well, but I don't necessarily think that's going to be like, now I'm going to get a switch because Mario's here. It's like, well't no, everyone's been kind of doing that. I suppose the latent two D Mario fans that happened with the WI like that that. I guess that could happen again, But I don't know. I guess I'm not super confident because it is the end of the generation. I mean, it is almost surprising that they weren't more revision happy with the Switch like they were with the three DS, because they would have certainly have popped it out there. I mean that's a big part of what helped the DS because there were so many different versions there were, I mean, how many DS is that? I have? Probably three right that I actually bought, So you know, the DS got a bump from that, and then places into also had a bump from just a lot of people buying as a DVD player. I wonder Switch is going to make the record for software sold. Yeah, I mean it's definitely gonna it is the record for software sold on a Nintendo platform. The trouble there for Nintendo is that they've never really had Call of Duty, which you know is a huge seller, like on a PlayStation four and Xbox three sixty and p S three and all that stuff. Those games just coming out annually, and the sports games too, So it's like it's going to be kind of tough for Nintendo to to meet that overall goal, but it has crushed it. As far as Nintendo consoles. It's the first Nintendo console to sell more than a billion pieces of software, so that's a recipient zone. This console is literally almost sold ten times as much as the last one, right, yeah, literally, So you know, of course, it's just this giant, giant success. Like you know, we're always interested in being number one and these numbers, but yeah, thatsn't really matter. A huge success no matter what happens from this point and going forward. I think we're all very happy about the switch. Yep, it's in May. It was at one hundred and twenty five millions, so in one quarter it seems to shift about five million units. That's very very good for this let this time in its life cycle. So but also not necessarily like, well, I guess, you know, over the holiday season, we'll see if it's able to replicate that. If it does that again, maybe another five and then another five. We're getting close to a one forty. But again that's that last ten million might be tough. It's worth pointing out that, you know, we can talk about it the switch getting to the Nintendo DS level, and it's like, yeah, at that time, the DS was doing one hundred fifty million and the WE was doing one hundred million at the exact same time. So during that generation Nintendo had two hundred and fifty million units sold US. It's just a different world. We live in a completely different world than than back then. That was pre iPhone, pre iPad for the most part. And so people like a lot of those consul gamers that would show up at the end of the generation and would buy something for ninety hardware for ninety nine dollars and then pick up a few games here and there. They aren't going to push the switch over. They'll finish line. Not really, Yes, it is that you think like when they announce a switch too, and maybe like at some point earlier in twenty twenty four, do they finally just go one hundred dollars off the switch ahead of the launch of the new one. Maybe, but it's like it doesn't feel like that would. I don't know, that doesn't seem like when when the new one comes out they do that and then are a lot of people just go and buy the old switch instead of get a new one. Maybe right away, maybe, But I think that these companies these days, when it comes to these these console generation transitions, they are more interested in moving as many people onto the new hardware as quickly as possible. And we're not we're remaking, We're we're gonna pour it over Jedi Survivor so the police US for Xbox one. That's a great idea, that's right, But in the meantime, they're not like they stopped making Keen Xbox ones. They made like another million ps Force at some point, but they made stop making those as well, and because of that, they've never really lowered the price. They just stopped making them. So it's like that that's I think that's probably kind of a similar thing will happen to the switch, not exactly. Nintendo will probably make it a little bit longer than those companies made those consoles. Uh, but I just don't think they don't see the money in winning over that audience that is that has waited this long for a steep discount on the hardware, because those people probably are not going to spend that much money on software, which again is where they make their money. So I think it's just a change in strategy from those days of the PS two. And it's like you would look, oh, one hundred and twenty dollars for the PS two, just get it. It's your DVD player and it's gonna have all it's gonna have. It's gonna keep getting FIFA, which is what you're buying it for. Probably. Yeah, that's it's just changed. All that is different now is the one last question on this? Is the Switch your favorite console ever? Already? I mean, yeah, I'm getting retrospective about the Switch already. Yes, I was thinking about this recently. The library is undeniable, undeniable, It is just so so good, and I mean, like it really happened when like I think Jan asked me about Pickman fours, like, do you think pick at the end of this generation? Pickman four is going to be in the top ten Switch games. And I'm like, man, I love Pickman four, I jan but that's okay, it was it was it you Okay, well listen, it was me. You occupy the Manati slot in my brain. The uh so I was. I thought about it, and it was like, you know, we could be uh this year alone, Like right now it's my number two game of the year, Pickman four, but even end of this year, just on the Switch, it could be behind Super Mario Brothers Wonder and that would make it number three just this year. And it's uh, I like Engage a lot. I know, I definitely like Pickman four more than Engage at this PRPG remake, but Mario RPG remake, Like, so it wait, does it get knocked down to four for some people? It's five just this year? So it's like and that's you know, the really late in the life cycle of the Switch, and then we start looking at all the previous years. It's a game I love as much as Pickman four is moving down the list that fast, it's just because the library is that strong and the games are that good. So yeah, I think which is my favorite year? A mask Jesus, Yes, yeah, it's yeah. I think they really just killed it this gen and I'm I couldn't be happier with the Switch. I think I'm very excited to see whatever they do next, especially hearing that it's probably going to be once again basically a switch to basically what we all want. Yes, that would be fantastic, Speaking of strong software. The top ten best selling Nintendo Switch games since launch. This comes from my Nintendo News. Nintendo has updated its best Nintendo Switch software charts since the system launched in March twenty seventeen. The best selling video game for Nintendo Switches a current system remains Mario Kart eight Deluxe be surprised by a healthy margin with fifty five point four to six million copies sold worldwide. Is followed by Animal Crossing New Horizons, which boomed over the pandemic and has now sold forty two point seven nine million copies worldwide as of the thirtieth of June twenty twenty three. The claim The Legends of the Tears of the Kingdom has now sold eighteen point five million copies worldwide. Mike, that puts it into the top ten, but just barely. That's crazy, like you could be a new game that sells eighteen point five million copies in your first two months, and you just barely cracked the top ten of best selling games on the Switch. That puts ahead of a new Super Mario Brothers You Deluxe, which is that sixteen point one seven million, And I guess, man, I forgot that that game sold that well. I mean, Wonder is going to do? You think you would at least do that well? Yes, a new game into I'm gonna say right now, probably going to be a better game. I'm hoping nothing against you Deluxe, but I'm liking what I'm seeing from Wonder. I like you Deluxe, of we new Sumer Brothers fair one. Thank you, thank you, thank you for saying that nice thing. The other games on this list, Marie create Deleux. We talked about Animalcross, Super Smash Brothers Ultimate thirty one point seven seven million, Breadth of the Wild officially in the thirty million club at thirty point six five million copies sold in the twenty five million club, Breadth of the Wild, or I'm sorry, but Super Mario Odyssey at twenty six point four four million, and Pokemon Sword and Shield at twenty five point nine two million. Pokemon Scarlet and Violet is at twenty two point six six million. We'll talk a little bit more about that in a second. And then Super Mario Party at nineteen point three nine million. That's the lackey one to me, not even the best Mario Party on the platform. Yeah, Mario Party Superstars, I think is already in the teens in terms of millions sold. So yeah, Mega Hit Luji's mentioned three isn't even on this list. Yes, and it's like just behind New Super Mario Brothers You Deluxe It's got at like thirteen or fourteen million copies sold now, so yep, just these Switch effect is real, and it's really it's really driving sales for all these franchises. Let's talk a little bit more about Zelda's sales. Zelda drives record quarter for Switch with eighteen point five million copies sold. This is from Andy Robinson of Here's the Kingdom. Drove a record quarter for Nintendo Switch, with the company confirming it sold eighteen point five one million units of the game as of June thirtieth. During the three month period, global sell through of the first party software reached the highest level for a first quarter since the Nintendo Switch launched in twenty seventeen. The company claimed. The company also enjoyed a record first quarter profit of one point two nine four billion dollars, which is up eighty two percent and surpasses the twenty twenty period when it released Animal Crossing New Horizons and the start of the COVID nineteen lockdowns boosted sales. I think that's the line here that I was most interested in. It turns out if you put out a blockbuster game that's the biggest game in the world, you actually can still grow even compared to pandemic years where it's like that was the whole thing. It's like, this is an anomaly. People are showing up for games because they don't have anything else to do with their money. People have a lot of other things to do with their money right now and then, But when presented with the option of do those other things or Tears of the Kingdom, everybody showed up for Tears of the Kingdom. So I think this is a good sign that video games have maintained a lot of the momentum that they gained through the pandemic, and it's not going to be consistent, but it is going to be. These companies can tap into that energy and a game like Tiers of the Kingdom is the best example of that. Right, No, exactly, there can be big releases. I think we're going to see that with star fill It if you you know, there is something still to that one really big game release, and every every studio probably only has a couple franchises or studios that can do that kind of a thing. But the shirt is a lot of value in that big, big blockbuster. Yep, this is the game sold out, you know, ten million copies in its first three days. It's nearing ten million since then. That of course that's going to slow down. But I think this holiday is also going to be very big for it. You know, let's you know, game it out maybe a little bit. If they do announce the Switch follow up in some form, even just like acknowledging it, do you think that derails the sales for the original Switch or you think most people are just gonna be like, no, I want to play Tears of the Kingdom, I'm gonna get the Switch this holiday or whatever. Maybe. I mean, you know, when I really think about it, there's a party, it's like, wait, who doesn't have a Switch? Yeah? Peddy? Anyway, you know that's a thing but you know, if they announced the switch to you imagine there must be some degree people who are just going to wait for the new one, unless there are things like holiday deals, maybe a price cut. I don't know. All right, let's see there's some other stuff. And Nintendo forecast it will selve fifteen million consoles during the current fiscal year ending March thirty one, twenty twenty four, which represents a further sixteen point five percent decline as Switch enters a significant slowdown during its seventh year on the market. That fifteen million number seems much more within reach now that they did about five million and a quarter. According to vg C sources, the company has dispatched a Switch to development kits to key partners the launch plan for the second half of twenty twenty four. Actually, the company is yet has yet to comment on plans for its next console, looking forward or looking at some of the other things that the highlights for the earnings report, Nintendo also made room and its results for the Super Mario Brothers movie, which it said tripled its mobile and IP related revenue to thirty one point eight billion yen about two hundred twenty million dollars. The movie, which began its theatrical release in various markets around the world on April fifth, has now been viewed by one hundred and sixty eight point one million people. Nintendo said, it's not a kind of number you hear about movies very often, like just the raw number of people who watched the movie, But that sounds like a hell of a lot, like I'll say, a lot of people showing up for the Mario movie. Yeah, absolutely, and probably a ton of kids watching it for their like tep time tonight, right right that. What that makes it sound like is that this whole idea of, you know, the synergy between putting something out as a Hollywood movie and reaching an audience that has not thought about or cared to engage with Mario or other Nintono ip for a long time, exposing them that that to them, and then seeing maybe if you can get some of them to come over and buy some video games. There must be something to that. If you were reaching one hundred and sixty eight million people, because you know, the Mario games we have were selling twenty five million, it's very good, but like now it's this could boost those sales to these people even more. And there was some evidence of that. Nintendo did say that the movie led to direct sales of many of its Mario games, including Super Mario k I'm Sorry, Mario Kart eight Deluxe, which sold another one point six seven million copies in the last quarter alone, which is better than many Triple A two releases from the last quarter. It probably sold more than a Metry Primary Master did during that same year. It probably did, which is, yeah, it's a shame, but also it's Mario Kart eight Deluxe. That's that's what it does. Pokemon Scarlett and Violet has now sold over twenty two million copies. Closing in on gold and silver sales. Is from Jim Norman at nits a Life, and we touched on this, but kind of check in on Pokemon. Nintendo's financial report for the first quarter of fiscal year twenty twenty four shows some pretty big numbers for the likes of Tears of the Kingdom and the Switch family of systems as a whole, But another name that has continued to climb in the rakings over the past few months is Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, which is pulled in an impressive twenty two point six six million sales as of June thirtieth, twenty twenty three. This is a clear showdown from a slowdown excuse me, from the game's launch, remember the title Scarlet and row Down. The title shifted twenty million and its first six weeks alone, But the numbers do move Scarlet and Violet ever closer to breaking into the top three best selling games in the series. Twenty two point six six million sales leave Scarlet and Violet still sitting in fourth on the table of the best selling Pokemon games of all time. However, as Joe Merrick of sarah By states, seabis, how you say that Pokemon rights? I always said seibe, but I don't know who knows. I think I stopped watching like anything that would pronounce the name fenetically by the time we got there. He well, Joe Merrick's states that is likely to change with the next report in terms of this being the first fourth best selling Pokemon game for reference, Pokemon Gold and Silver currently the series third best selling games managed to sell twenty three point seven million copies, so it's true that Scarlet and Violet will likely overtake those game Boy Color titles in the near future. That's interesting that they specified Gameboy Color since not just Gameboy, it's Gaboy Color. You want to do this, I'm going to goping your switch right now a while and open the game Boy Color app to play your game Boy Color games. All right, Yeah, that's what I thought. All Right, you did this to yourself, all right it Yeah, this is I think it's curious to me because what I hear from my friends like you and Jan is that Scarlet and Violet is pretty miserable and yeah, but there's a lot of people who love it anyways, and we're very quick to forgive some of those glaring technical problems, which I get. I get that's not the most important. Stuff matters a bit at least, though, And I'm always going to feel a bit kind of almost a bitter about this one, Like they really got away with that level of performance. Uh you you could just sell twenty million copies still with your game running and looking that bad. Okay, yep, I mean that the power of that IP just overcomes all including some some shoddy game development. But but yeah, that slowed down is pretty significant. I think twenty million in the in the first like whatever it was, and then kind of get in another two point six six million, but this is another one of those games that once we get to this first holiday for it, it's probably you know, this next holiday for it. I guess, yeah, probably second second holiday, it'll probably pop off again. It'll be one of those things that probably sells really well. Yeah. I do think there is some kind of inkling in Nintendo or in game freak fucking my company that you know, this probably could have done better if it ran better. Uh yeah, it looks like I probably it might not sell as much as Sword and Show. It's not like those were people's favorite Pokemon games either necessarily, right, kind of, I don't know. It's kind of a weird generation for Pokemon here. Three dys was also like that Pokemon has been a little weird to me at some point. Maybe I just have to say, as a thirty six year old, maybe Pokemon's just not for me like it used to be. Yeah, and that's okay too, but I still feel like this series could do better. I was, I was a big fan of you know, Legends, actually Archias as my favorite Pokemon game from this generation. That's maybe just where I'm kind of interested in the franchise now. I'm like, I'm a little encouraged by Archaius and that they were like, okay, Legends is something where maybe they can stretch their legs and make something, like you said, a little bit more for me. I do not expect them to change much of how they do the Cord series based on its selling like this, and yeah, so I mean it. You know, the next one will be on the switch to which will presumably look better. If I don't want to say it can't get away with it. It's gonna look even worse than it did this time. If the next Pokemon is only a smidge better than Scarlet and Violets, Yeah, And I just don't want to get people's hopes up for that, right because you know, the the what was the last one on the three DS that like didn't have three D because they just like, no, we need the frames. We like, we can't double the Sun and Moon was like that, you're right, Yeah, it's like, so we're not even gonna support three D on the three DS because because fuck, we just we can't do it. We're bad at this. Yeah, it's like and then it's like, okay, well, you know, on the switch they'll have more power, and it's yeah, but now they got to make it HD and and now it's it's fucked again, and it's like, I just think I expect that that to me like maintained where it's like they boost everything else up and then they don't have any of the optimization and really it doesn't even it doesn't look that good in the first place. I don't know. I just don't think it's worth getting our expectations higher for I don't want to get their expectations up so they get more mad. Okay, you're playing window Scream. I'm mad at and I'm not gonna take it anymore. Yes, I was gonna say that, Yeah, you're gonna be like Scars Guard's character from Andor, But you haven't watched that show, so your reference was much much better. I'm doing Network Kids. Yeah, the kids love Network Kids. Won't stop talking about Network everybody. All right, let's move on from the Nintendo news. Apex Legends Season seventeen did not meet EA's financial expectations. This comes from David Willinski at Game Spot. EA's latest earnings call with investors revealed that season seventeen of Apex Legend fell short of their financial expectations. Despite the game maintaining an impressive eighteen million active monthly players. The new gameplay variation and monetization introduced in season seventeen failed to generate the anticipated revenue. During the call, EA CEO Andrew Wilson acknowledged the strength of Apex Legends as one of the industry's top franchises, but express disappointment with season seventeen's financial performance. Stuart Caulfield, the CFO of EA, further operated in as prepared remarks, Apex Legends is a highly successful original ip for EA, with a strong community of loyal core players. This quarter, netbookings were below expectations, largely driven by under performance of season seventeen. We've seen these ebbs and flows in and around our live services, and certainly we've seen that within with that within the context of Apex, Wilson said during the live call. We came off record levels in season sixteen. The team made some really interesting and creative and innovative changes in season seventeen that didn't meet our expectations. It's also relevant to note that we went into a very competitive quarter. The team has worked diligently to make very quick changes and respond to community feedback and community reactions, we are already starting to see momentum as we go through our current quarter. Mike, I think when it comes to live service games that there are plenty of critics of live service games. So I think most people listening are are going to jump on what I think is the correct sort of take here, and it's that the risk mitigation that comes from live service games is real. But if you find yourself in a situation where your live your big live service game is getting diminishing returns, or you know, it starts losing, it starts not making as much money as it once did, you're going to be in a situation where you look around, but like, we have just been making this game for forever, and now we're looking around and what else do we have? Now? EA is a little bit better about this than some other companies. I think they do have a lot of other projects happening, But it still feels like if Apex Legends doesn't pay the bills for them or continues to decline, EA is going to be in trouble. And what's the solution there? No, that's exactly right, And you know, it's like prom It's like Season seventeen. I mean it's gonna have to fall off at some point. But they said season sixteen was like their best record levels or season sixteen. But you know, they say competition in the quarter, And at first I'm like, well, what exactly what live service game was really popping off? But it's not even that, right. I mean people always say, yeah, it's gonna be other games, because you know, every game takes time, and that's the thing. So it's like, even if it's not a live service game, if it's another kind of game that's taking people away, like Breath of the Tears of the Kingdom, even it's like that's gonna take oxygen out of the room for live service games. Everything's competing with each other, not just live service games, right. But I mean, you know, then just a little bit after what may win this launch, you do have stuff like a diable before, which you know is different, but live service game a lot of people playing that. Uh, there's always so much room in that live service slot for people. Yeah, it's it's true. I liked the Apex legs. I haven't really thought about it personally in a long time. You know, some it's like if I do go back to a Battle Royality these days, it probably is Fortnite. Even though I really liked how Apex Lass played a lot, I never quite get out got over there. I even know where they are in this no solo mode stuffing. I get it that they want to balance for the three player thing, but I don't always have two people to play with, and I definitely don't want to play with strangers, so that always threw me off. Yeah, they've they've on some stuff with that. I don't think they've made it like a core thing. It's probably yeah Fortnite. It's so easy to be like, I'm gonna, well, my friends are in here, so I'll play some solo games tonight, and that's yeah. I mean that's I played. That's how I mostly played pub G. Even like back in twenty seventeen, when this stuff was just getting started, it was like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna play this mostly solo and kind of treat it like a horror game where it's like I'm terrified the entire time, and it's uh so Yeah. When Apex Sledges came around, it was not that kind of game. It was like, no, this is the buddy hangout game, and so yeah, I do that too, but that's not going to turn into a hobby for me the way someone's other ones have. We're seeing these live service shooters like this, like over Watch two, like we know at one point they had plans or we're working eternally on these kind of big content drops that weren't necessarily the main game, right. You were talking about some Titan full stuff coming to Apex ledges at one point we were watched two like got way less ambitious with its co op plans. I wonder if they're really gonna start regretting that stuff. I wonder if that is the and I think that could help bring players and or at least get them excited and feeling good about the game more so than just here season twenty nine with five more skins and balance changes right right, because it's I think the thinking around the way Apex Legends is is built today and the reason that they do cancel that titan Fall stuff, or one of the reasons. There was multiple reasons, but one of the reasons was the return on investment of making like big single players stuff. Is that going to really make us enough money? And we know what can make us money is just keep making these new seasons but it's like, well that that works until it doesn't. And here we are, and now what is what options? What opportunities are available to you to like solve this problem of getting people back into Apex Legends, and that the real answer is for a lot of people, there is no solution. You're not going to get everybody back. Like that's people move on and they move on hard, and that's you just have to deal with that. But if you if you were working on more than just we like business as usual with a live service game, if you were like, we have a big, new, surprising thing that could get headlines and get people paying attention, that feels like it would be very useful in a moment like this. Maybe maybe it's still not worth the price that it costs to make it, I guess, but I think it would be nice for the I think the developers would be happy to have that as a tool in their toolbox, and right now they don't. It's just okay, I guess, back to work on new content season eighteen. I will have to come up with some answers there, and they probably will, but I think they do get to a point eventually where they don't have some great answer to this, and the game just is on a permanent decline, which is going to happen. Happens with everything. It was very exactly. I mean, what is Legal Legends up too now, because that's the one I was think of, Like, man, people still play that, don't know? Is it on a slow decline? It? I guess, you know, there's always college kids right now, that's like the thing to play checking on Legal Legends. That's actually working. You know, we said, like everything has to decline. Some things do just become you know, basketball, right something has just become sport, and like this is this thing that people are gonna play forever. But it's like there's I don't know, I feel like there's one or two of those Counterstrike and and Legal Legends, and I guess you could try Fortnite, you could try to like jam one of these games if you're a big publisher into that space. I just don't know if you force it, because now it didn't feel forced with any of those other games, just felt like they made something and the and the community decided this is what we're playing. This is just like a new kid gets a gaming laptop for college, and this is one of the three games they download. It just comes with a bit the PC. Basically, I don't know. I wonder what. I wonder what's going to look like if we get like this wave of ten Sony, you know, live service games over the course of a few years, and if we're in a situation which could very well happen where none of them hit. Yep, what does that look like? What happens? Then? Yep? Uh? All right. Despite challenges, Capcom expects Exo Primal will be profitable. Let's here. This is from Jesse Rayas at game Spot. Exoprimal isn't doing too shabby, says Capcom and its latest quarterly earnings called the company update investors on expectations for its latest releases, including its new dinosaur themed multiplayer shooter. Given that this game is an all new IP, the situation is not without its challenges, Capcom told investors, However, we view that the fact that the game has amassed over one million players to be positive. Going forward, we will continue to release content for the game while monitoring player behavior with an eye toward expanding sales. As as an as an all new IP, Exo Primal doesn't have the same built in fan base that a series like Street Fright or six would have. However, it seems to be doing well enough at the moment that Capcom has faith and it's continuing success. Capcom doesn't see it being unprofitable at this time, which is a weird way of putting it, but I guess I guess that's fair. Here's here's the thing, like, do you think that we get an exoprimal two? Ever? Probably not right. That's that's where it feels like it's at. Like this game was like they tried some stuff. I think that it. I enjoyed it, but I don't necessarily think that they have reached a level where it's like we do an extra primal two, because people will be excited about that. I don't know, it doesn't seem like it. No, I mean, I think you know, this came out. I think some people liked it somewhere into it more than others. But even then, you know, remnant too not long afterwards. It's different but similar enough in terms of a shooty game with my friends. People seem to be a little bit more excited about that, even but hey, I would hope internally their expectations weren't too high for an Exo Primal. I hope there was maybe a bit of a we'll try something here. If it doesn't work out, that's okay, because we'll make you know, a zillion dollars off of street Fighter six and Resume four and you know, stuff for those games in the future. Anyways, not everything you know needs to be this giant success story. Yep. In street Fighter six is crushing it. It's doing very well. So you're right, like they're allowed to or they should be taking swings. It's capcomy. They have a pretty good handle on their tech. They have a good idea of what their teams can produce. And I think this was a good experiment, and this experience can can fold over into something next that is maybe similar to Exo Primal in a lot of ways. But it's like, okay, let's just change up a few of the elements and see if we can get people excited about something different. I expect another Capcom Live service game similar to XO Primal to come along, maybe from this same team, and uh, and it comes along and you know, three, four or five years and it's gonna be more refined and probably build on this in a lot of ways. But I don't expect Exo Primal two. Maybe the next one should actually be a Dino Crisis game. Maybe maybe it's times. Yeah, yeah, I don't know why they did it, like tight into Dino Crisis more. Yeah, I guess I don't really get. I remember hearing the rumor it's like Dino Crisis is coming back, and it's I'm like, oh, okay, and then we saw this, I'm like, okay, this is just that was the mixed signal there where it's like I don't okay. Maybe then think it's like, why wouldn't they do it? They teased or they got close to suggesting a tease of a relationship with the character, and then like they backed off, they stepped away from that like a bunch of times. But yeah, I think that that probably would have helped Exto Primal though in terms of you know, being profitable, that is nice. That's never what these companies are going for. And then they are looking like, okay, we want yeah, we want profits, and then we want to be able to generate excitement forward and to build franchises and to do more. So the next game is even more profitable because we've already done the hard work of establishing a new IP, and so in the long run, Exo Primal will probably be viewed as like, okay, curiosity interesting, it worked in a lot of ways. A lot of people didn't like it. Let's try something else next time. Sega says Shadow won't be brought to the Sonic Classic series. Uh sorry, everybody, This is from a nintindo everything. Any hopes of Shadow appearing in the Classic Sonic the Hedgehog series have been dashed, at least for now. Shadow is actually the favorite character of Sonic Team creative officer Takashi Ayazuka. Unfortunately, though it seems he can only appear in the Modern series, where he is he's cursed to remain forever hopefully. Speaking with Game of Informer, Isazuka said, Shadow is from the Modern series of characters in gameplay that we have introduced. The Classic series exists before the Modern series, so they haven't met at that time. There's no relationship, so we won't be bringing Shadow into the Classic series. Unfortunately, Shadow was in the capsule at that time. Laughs. Not unfortunately. I kind of would like to see just Shadow the Hedgehog with the fucking gun, just shooting up a Sonic the Hedgehog two D stage. That's what I want, Mike, But I don't know. Yeah, it's like I'm a two minds A bit part of me. He's like, well, come on, who cares, just do it blah blah blah. Not a part of me. He's like, hell no, you can't you keep that. We keep that little freak away from my classic Sonic. You know, that's a different arts style. So we have to make a quote unquote cute Shadow, which is that seems cursed. We talked about this before. Jeff like, I love Sonic, but I love Sonic as like a six year old when it came out and stuff like that. You know, I have an idea of what song it is, and to me, Shadow was the poo chee. Like this is real stupid. And then there's a whole group of people just a bit younger than me. They're like, no, Shadow is just one of the crew. We accept Shadow. That's just a core Sonic character that we all like. And I'm like, okay, that's that's interesting, But no, I don't you can keep Shadow away from the classic song. I don't know. Part of that apartment thinks about more and it is so stupid. Let's just skip Shadow and go straight to Silver. We'll make Silver playable in a Sonic what's it called Superstars? What the hell is the name of that game? Oh that sounds right, that's Superstars. So I just did a pull Mike, Shadow the Hedgehog, cool dude or poucci ass loser. Let's let's see what as Losers seems to be doing. Pretty you hit me. But that's why, like you know, like the end of Sonic too right, the big like a postcred scene is the tease for Shadow. And you know, I saw it like opening Day. All these kids are freaking out, like, oh my god, Shadows coming. I was like, oh, okay, you kids like Shadow. Okay, I guess know. Hey, if you're like ten Shadows, probably the Edgies character, your parents allow you to interact with h right, Like you're not even at Vegeta yet, Like you're still yeah, you're still stuck on Shadows. So once they find out about Vegeta, it's all over for Shadow the Hedgehog. But this character like doesn't smile. Wow, oh man, he's got a gunny. Probably I think he might have SCX. I don't know whoa go uh Doctor Eggman's no good slut Mike, I can't get that song on my head. We were traveling to Chicago, that Pregnant Sonic song. Uh, and I mde a joke online about how well my wife doesn't like it, but she loves that song. She won't stop. Significant fan, actually big fan. So we were singing it in the car and then you know, there was ramifications of that. Of Now ADDIE's like asking about Pregnant Sonic all the time. So we're bad parents. We admit that fully, but ask her teacher of it. Yeah, oh Jesus Christ. Okay, let's see yeah, shadow Hedgehog this on it, Get pregnant Daddy. Yeah, let'st There's some images I can't show you, but it's on the internet. It's they don't to google yet. Right now it's turned into daddy, write this on TV or write this on the tablet or whatever. They that's how they say search for this. Police for me. I don't say daddy bing this now. They don't say bing this. They say write this. They don't even say google it. Uh. They I did like debate showing them a voice search, but like, I don't know, I kind of don't want to like walk into the room and find like all the crazy stuff that they're uh that they're googling or whatever. One day it's like, I don't want to deal with that yet. Let's put that off another year, all right. Final Fantasy creator's fantasition is seemingly coming to Steam. This is from Chris Scullion of HC. It's a Chris Scullion heavy day, everybody. I appreciate your local Chris Scullion. Go out there and tell Chris go good job. Chris Phantasian. The Ample Arcade game, written and produced by Final Fans See creator Harro Nobu Saka Gucci appears to be coming to Steam. As you know, I would say that a little bit more American, just annoyed Turbo Shun because I know he's but Harro Nobu Sacca Gucci appears to be coming. There we go, As spitted by Twitter user Knoubal who you know, shout out Knuble. That's an apparent listing of the game has appeared in Steam's database, as can be seen on steam dB. Assuming the listing is legitimate, it means the end of the game's exclusivity period on Apple Arcade. Part one of Phantasition was released on Apple Arcade on April second, twenty twenty one, while Part two was released on A on August thirteenth, suggesting the games exclusivity period was likely two years. Developed by Sacca Gucci Studio, Missed Walker Phantasian sees the Final Fantasy Creator, returning to traditional term based RPG game gameplay for the first time since two thousand and sevens Lost Odyssey on Xbox three sixty. The game also features a new soundtrack from by legendary Final Fantasy composer no Boo oo oo oo I Matsu. Its most unique feature, however, is its arts. All the games environment are all real life dioramas created by Japanese artist who have worked on special effects films, including the Godzilla movies, Attack on Titan and ultramat That was always the thing for me, Mike. This game I think has ah fucking look. It's got such a style, and I've been curious about it, but I was like, you know, I'm now planning to get an Apple TV. We talked about this on the show yesterday, but I haven't got that. I haven't got one yet, and even if I did, I would right to play this on my steam Deck or whatever. It's probably coming to the Switch as well. Are you going to check this out or have you checked it out on Apple Arcade? I know you have an iPhone. I don't know if you use Apple Arcade ever, though, no kind of yeah. I hate playing video games on my phone generally. I made an exception for Marvel's Snap for a bit, but but fell off of that. I you know, it bummed me out at the time that because you know, Socker Gucci had it made an RPG in a long time. Obviously, I'm a big Final Fantasy fan, so I wanted to check this out if it's more available. Well, at this point, I do want to know do people actually like this game before I really get into it then, because there's a lot of JRPGs on my catalog at the moment. There's a bunch of Trails games that have come out that I haven't gotten to get to yet. We are to sweek it in remakes setting over soon people stay off to pass Traveler two is really good and I should try that. Even though it didn't like the first one, I still have to play Pompassy six Pixel remaster, so I'm gonna make sure people actually do like this game, and if they do, they will maybe check it out. So I do remember people saying that they were pretty they seem to like it more than they liked Blue Dragon and even Lost Odyssey. Oh, I don't know, I believe I don't believe you by Lost Odyssey. There's some Lost Odyssey freaks out there, right, I think, yes, And I think maybe the depth of the love doesn't go like the Lost Odyssey does. But I think the broad like most people came away from Plantations seeming to enjoy it. RPG site apparently gave it a Game of the Year when it came out. Game of the Year. Yes, and then yeah, a bunch of people. Although a lot of people are saying play Trails yeah, you don't have to believe me Els games. Well, I think with the Trails games, and I do want to play more of them. But I played Trails in the Sky one and two, which I can't imagine any of the other games are as good as that. What you like you knows a little, Oh, well, they're still good, but that's kind of almost my thing. It is like I think I played the best ones. I want to play some of the other ones, but I think I played the best ones. Yeah, right, this the new one came out. I thought I thought it was like Trails into Revelry. Yeah, the reviews didn't look too hot. I thought it's and this is Uh, I didn't see this is like the one that's kind of the tie up of the larger thread that's been going across the into the Sky games into Trails of Cold Steel, then the Zero and Azure. It's kind of coming. I want to play Zero as the one I do want to play next. Uh. Well, speaking of incomprehensible video game names, Japanese studio Kimco is selling all fifty of its Xbox RPGs in a huge two hundred dollar bundle. Like it, What did we did? We we make this happen? I'll tell you why. When I saw this story, I never would have included it had Dan not listed five hundred kim Kimco RPGs on Dark Alliance yesterday. Uh. This comes from Chris Scully and Dark Tomorrow on the head. I'm actually downloading that on Steam right now, as well as I've been playing the original Dark Alliance on my GameCube. It's still really fun. Exactly. I remember you mentioned in that I'm like, oh, I could play that on Steam. That might be actually a really good time. Say hey, say hi to the innkeeper for me. Oh the here it is? Uh, well, we'll do Mike, I know that's your special, your special Innkeeper. Japanese studio Kimco has released a large digital bundle containing all fifty of its Xbox RPGs in one package, the Kimco fifty RP The kim Goo fifty RPGs Celebratory Bundle is available now and we'll last till September twenty feet. It's priced at two hundred dollars, which works out to four dollars per game. The total price of all fifty games, if bought brought separately, would come to seven hundred and forty nine dollars fifty cents. Uh that means you get a seventy three percent discount and save around five hundred fifty dollars. So basically you're losing money if you don't go get this right now right. And you included a full list here. I didn't keep a full list. I was wondering if you would want to you pick out your favorites or if you want to just do it, oh favorite, Well, I gotta go through it. Here we go. We got Alfidia Genesis, Alfia Genesis Too, Alfadia, Neo Alvestia, Chronicles, Ambition Record, Antiquia, Lost, Armed Emmis has tovide dios. That's a Spanish for two, has to fight hearts. My search history now too, as Mora ask divide menace and then finally as divide Saga Google which as divides the best? I mean, yeah, Blacksmith of the Sand, Kingdom, Bonds of the Skies, Chromo, Quanternion, Chronus, Arc Chrystal or the Dragon, Lapis, Dragon brand A Dragon, Sinker, Very Elements, burns Gate, Brain, Dragons, Honesty, gall of Windorria. It's Windrias of the Gigs, Illusion of Lafassia, Infinite Links, Justice Chronicles, Legends of Vistana, Legend of the Tet Parks Please Dragon Merilliant, Marianian Tavern Story, Minin Tower, Monochrome Order, Monster, Viator On Ego, Hunter Over Rogue, Revenant, Dogma, Revenant, Saga, RPG, Golf Legends, run Verse, Seek Carts, Seperatic Stories, I remember dancing Sephrotic stories. Yeah, that's order, sort of Opissia Smile Alchemists, I remember that one, and finally Wizards of Brandon Doll Oh boy, oh my god, I need a cigarette. From rpg insanity dot com. In my opinion, the best asked Divine game will be asked Divine comerap. But I not advice playing it before the other as to mind titles. One of its charms are how it connects back to other as to mind games, and it would be wasted if you skipped it. All right, Yeah, somebody out there must have played every ass to mind game and it has a strong opinion. Yes, LUs ones are worth playing like this is I mean, I hate to use this term. There must be like some kind of weird sweatshop that they joining these things. I mean yeah, like what's going on here? Yeah, like the game mill right, Like they're just they just do the crank and another one of these comes out, and it's like, what, hey, okay, I mean, if this is how you're doing it, it's your business. Whatever. I've never heard of a single one of these games, Mike, and that feels weird. It's very weird. Yeah. The studio just kind of quietly made two hundred or whatever it is, fifty random Japanese RPGs that no one's ever heard of. Like where's the money coming from? Yeah, it's like, I mean, I can see I'm looking at the screenshots that maybe they he'll cost very much. But you each game probably sells five thousand copies. Maybe maybe I guess maybe better. I have no idea. I actually have no idea, but that seems like you know about five thousand copies, and maybe like that's how they make their money. It's just through sheer volume. Because Scanda Pandasis that Alphadia Genesis has a nine out of ten once team with seventy seven, Well, clearly that is the next game for Dan to play. Well it's not out of ten, can't be on Blake clubs, So that's a good game. It would be funny to see like the Dan play one of these. God, it looks so freaking ugly. Service Kane says, Kimco runs a heavy industrial machinery business. They've got money, that's that's weird. But they don't have money. No one has money to just throw away for no reason these things. Probably they probably have a business model it's working, like this probably is working. It's just weird, incredible, and it's it says, I mean, it's Xbox RPGs. Like, it's like these games, say the Xbox doesn't have JR, they're fucking wrong. These games are probably on the Switch as well, so you know many games the Switch has sixteen thousand. Yeah, it's uh man, it's it's very funny. It's think about you could get every disun sixty four game. It's like, looks compare that the just the digital the digital landscape these days doesn't work like that anymore. It is all weird. Yeah, but these are apparently they're all on Xbox for some reason. Okay, probably just the ideat Xbox makes it easier to self published. I bet I think it's almost certainly that simple. That makes a little RPG maker unity integration maybe. Yeah, all right, last couple of stories, A special direct rrors cut of Vampire Survivors reportedly exist. Another one from Chris Scullion at VGC. Yes, a special edition of Vampire Survivors called Director's Cut has emerged from a new report. And that's d Yeah, what's up? Misspelled misspelled intentionally misspelled intentionally as d I R E C T E R not O R. Author and exsibility consultant Laura Kate Dale tweeted that she had attended an event for the game's upcoming co out mode and was pulled aside to look at a different version of the game. The Director's Cut title is in the typo. It refers to a character called the Director, a hidden final boss who appears in the Vampire Survivor's end game. Mike, do you want me to keep saying Director weird to imply that it's spelled different? Or is it just freaking people out? You think it's freaking me up? Yeah, that's I'm asking. I thought, Yeah, I don't want to like it. I don't want to say it anymore. According to Dale, the new version features wild new characters, stages, weapons, accessories, and evolutions. The new characters include a multilimbed angel, a rose woman, an imp, Santa, werewolf, Spaceman, Big Skull, Constellation, frog Angel, and winged Egg. That sounds that just sounds like a good party right there. She also provided video evidence of the game and stated that she believes she's the only person who was invited to try it out. Uh yeah, but it's not for sale yet, but it seems like something that's probably gonna ge announced pretty soon. I Vampire Survivors is this weird thing to me, Mike, where it is. It's a really good game, but it is one of those things where it's like you that's simple to copy. And we have seen a lot of games that just like, hey, we're gonna be a Vampire Survivors clone, and we're gonna take this idea and maybe we're gonna do it better. And it's like and somehow Vampire Survivors is the one that always seems to figure out the cool new thing to do, and they just keep throwing in so much new stuff that it's impossible to not deny Vampire Survivors is just still the leading game in that genre. So yeah, I know, did you've never really gotten into Vampire Survivors right? Well? And I liked it, not like you know, it wasn't like you guys considering it for Game of the Year last year things like that, but I liked it. I'm excited to get it when it's on Switch. I hope I don't have to get it on switch and then like just some new version six months later. If there's a new version, all of their DLC has been like a dollar. Yeah, So I think it's kind of like they put itself, it's two dollars exactly right. So yeah, if they put out it's like, I'm like, that seems fine. For as much as I played it. That seems completely fair. Chris in chessis they should add a vampire, and that reminds me of that Tim and Eric thing, which like, have you considered getting a job? It's not an option. It's like, could you put a vampire in the game. No, that's not an option. We're not gonna do it. Yeah, I don't know. Vampire survivors without vampires says that's got to keep happening. Finally, Xbox game games complans include Playable Stalker two and Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven. Phantom Liberty comes from Jason Fanelli at game Spot. Games comp twenty twenty three is a mere three weeks away August twenty three through the twenty seventh, and gaming companies around the world are getting ready for their annual trip to Germany. Xbox will be part of the festivities in Cologne, and today Microsoft revealed its plans for the show, which include the largest booth the company has ever built there. The official Xbox Wire blog post laid out all of the Xbox related happenings at this year's Games Com, which are highlighted by twenty five playable demos from Third Party and Idea Xbox partners. Among the demos are multiple games that will be publicly playable on Xbox for the first time ever, a list which includes the following Armored Cores, six Fires of Rubicon, Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven, Phantom, Liberty, Liberty Jusant Party, Animals, Payday three, Persona five, Tactica, Stalker two, Tower Born, and Under the Waves from Quantic Dream. I think, uh, Mike, I would really like to go to Games Calm someday. This seems like a pretty good like showing for games comm They it is picking up some of the slack left behind by E three, Right, that's the sense I get from this, not not it's not E three, but it's picking up a significant amount of that slack. Yeah, it seems that there is. It's surprising how much stuff is going to be there. So yeah, for sure, Yeah, I think you're right. It would be interesting to go to we you know, we know, perhaps switch to at games Commer around games comment, maybe we'll see it's Yeah, it's there's gonna be some fun stuff at games comment. You know, people are really high on that cyberpunk Phantom Liberty thing, just that game fast, so that should be exciting. Yeah, lots lots here. That sounds interesting. Uh, Mike, you wouldn't give me a favor. I'm gonna get the poll here for everybody. But I think Balder's Gate two reviews are coming in right now. Three but excuse me, yes they are. But remember everybody got reviewed killed like a few days. Three days. Yes, there's not like there's not a bevy reviews. I'm on Metacritic right now. That's not like it's just average score to look at. There's two reviews that I'm i published from two sides I haven't heard of. But you know it's a ninety five ninety so okay, all right, well you know what, we'll check in on that again next week. Then that's what that's what we'll do, all right. The poll from yesterday, I asked what will be your next computer purchase? Fifty two percent said I will build my own PC or buy a pre build. Nine percent says I'm going to get a laptop. Eleven percent said I'm going to get a handheld gaming PC, and twenty eight percent says I have no plans to buy a PC of any kind. I think that this is a little bit what I was trying to get at. And then I think the gaming the handheld gaming PC is taking away from the laptop purchase that seems to be the uh you know, I think it's building its own I think it's building its own tier. But I also think I'm not considering a gaming laptop anymore. That's something I probably would always had in the back of my mind. It's like, yeah, a couple years, I'll get a new gaming laptop that'll be nice to have when I'm traveling. No way, I do not want a gaming laptop, I think ever Again, Mike, I don't know how about you. I've never been a gaming laptop fan. I always like just getting like something that's much more for work for my laptop or kind of lap tablet. I've been a surface pro band for a while. And you know, if if I'm gonna play, if I'm traveling and I am gonna play games, which is usually never that often when you actually can, then back then my DS or three d S would be there for that or now my switch. So yeah, I don't even really bring my steam deck or my rog with me on trips. So I'm like, I don't have that much for gaming, and if I do, I will just play something on my switch and that's easier to transport and charge. All right, we have a new poll question. I'm gonna get to that in a second. In the meantime, Mike, what do you have going on? Oh? What do I have going on? We have a new Games Decide tonight. We're going to decide the best game from nineteen ninety seven will be fun. So a new nineties Disney is out about the people mover slash Tomorrowland Transit Authority. So check out nine zero s Disney dot com or go look that up and on the podcast places. Uh. I know we had to have a change of plans and Voicemail Dump Truck I believe right, Yes, we were going to have a double j Jeff Jarrett on the show today. There was a scheduling conflict. He is now scheduled for next week's Voicemail Dump Truck, so look out for that instead. But I still scheduled for a Voicemail Dump Truck today. You should still come on Voicemail Dump Trck today. Yes, definitely, I can answer any questions that were for Jeff Jarrett. Okay, wonderful, perfect, that's gonna go very well. All Right, the new poll question, have you avoided Blizzard games? This is not this is older. I did not come up with a new poll question, Mike, what should be the poll question be today? Let's come up with something right now. Should we just do Shadow the Hedgehog? Do you want Shadow? Do you want Shadow the Hedgehog to be in classic two D games? Do you care about Fantasia Shadow the Hedgehog? Yes or no? Yeah, there we go. That's that's very good. Okay, we will get that up on YouTube dot com Slash Giant Bombs Slash community there on the community tab when Jan gets back from being out on assignment. That will happen later today, so look out for that. In the meantime though, Mike, thank you so much for taking your time today talk with me about video games. Man. I really appreciate it. Thank you. I learned about all these Calico games. They have to play, right, We got to catch up. Can't leave these unplayed. Thank you all for watching. You're the best audience in gaming. Until next time, have a good one. Take care of yourself and goodbye.