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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Thursday morning, we will be in South Bend and if you have an opportunity to join us, we'll be outside Legends Pub on the campus and Notre Dame Thursday and Friday. First come, first serve, standing room only. Parking is self directed there. And I'm not sure what the weather is. I didn't check. I just thought, okay, it'll be football weather in South Bend. Pauli as our resident meteorologist. What's it looking like on Thursday and Friday.

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Speaker 3: A little balmy, a little warm, almost high of sixty eight and partly cloudy.

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Speaker 4: That's not football weather. It might be football weather.

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Speaker 3: When we start our show, no, which is fifty five degrees as football.

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Speaker 2: Wee, but it can't be as cold as Las Vegas was when we were out there for the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: Weirdly cold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's We're up at four thirty in the morning and all of a sudden you go outside and you're like, oh, I hope those heat lamps are on. But it's a great atmosphere. Been out there for a few football games. The atmosphere is wonderful. And USC coming to town off a big win against Michigan. I was a big win. That might be Lincoln Riley's biggest win of his career at USC. Not a lot of coverage because USC not ranked in the top twenty five. They will be now the big news over the weekend as James Franklin got fired as the head coach at Penn State. And when you're the first team since nineteen seventy eight to lose consecutive games as a favor to twenty or more points, and you're already on a warm seat. They decided, I mean forty nine million dollars to go away. I wish somebody would do that. I don't want you around so much. Here, take this money and go away. But James Franklin, he'll get a job. If you look at his overall record, you go, dang, that's impressive. It isn't until you start looking at the meaningful games. And as I said last week, and I heard from the Penn State alumni, why are you picking? Why are you piling on? I'm only pointing out something. If you want to be a big time program, you have to have high standards. Michigan wouldn't have settled for that. Ohio State, Georgia Alabama, just to name a few. You don't lose those games. You don't lose that many games to top ten teams, and they did and it cost him. But we'll talk to Rick new Heiseel, the former coach who's been fired a couple of times. He works for CBS. He was out in Eugene for the Oregon game against Indiana, and Indiana Indiana dominated that game. That was a wonderful performance and I thought, boy, can they hold up in that environment against an Oregon team that I thought was just going to be too fast. This is different for Indiana Indiana. I didn't think Indiana was a playoff team last year. I certainly do this year. They got a quarterback, two receivers, the defense is really good, and you know, they could be talking about a bigger picture here by the end of the year. But we'll talk to Rick new Heeiseel. New Heeisel, the CBS crew is on the field, and he gave an oh by the way, that he didn't think Bill Belichick would be the head coach at North Carolina after this season. He'll talk about that. North Carolina had a bye week. Now they go out to cal and who knows what happens if they come back with a loss eight seven, seven to three. DP show email address TP at Danpatrick dot com, Twitter handle that DP show. I'm gonna be honest with you as I always am. I forgot there was baseball last night. I forgot that the Blue Jays and the Mariners played last night Game one of the ALCS. Big Dumper hit a home run, and here is the call of the game winning. Do we have this, Marvin?

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Speaker 5: Yep?

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Speaker 6: This is from Friday.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, yep.

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Speaker 2: Three two pits out of the way. Sayah drive, They said, right field, all right, bullock for the lock up single. He The Americas are gonna play for the America League.

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Speaker 1: Exam good ship.

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Speaker 2: The Marinis win the battle at Seattle at fifteen nights. The Marinis win it three to two, So fifteen innings on Friday they get into the ALCS. They have to go to Toronto. I think they had travel problems, playing issues, delays, but then they pick up the win last night. You have baseball today tonight. You got Dodgers Brewers Game one, and you have Mariners Blue Jays Game two. I couldn't help but think when the Brewers won and the first thing I thought of Vin Scully and Bob Buker. Don you imagine that showdown between those teams, but those broadcasters in the building first thing I thought of. But in memory of those great broadcasters, hopefully we get a great series. All right, Chiefs over the Lions. I guess everybody's back on the Chiefs banwagon. And they didn't have a penalty called last night on the Chiefs Navenia. Yeah, Chargers over the Dolphins. It's more than just one law the Dolphins that it's a bad situation and they could have won that game. It's where, Okay, you lost the game, you played pretty well. The Chargers did what you want them to do. They score. I just I was surprised at Miami with too a tongue of Iloa's comments after the game, because in a loss, I want to see what you do. I want to I want to hear what you're talking about. You know, Aaron Glenn, the Jets head coach, wasn't really recognizing the elephant in the room talking about Justin fields and how bad he played nine sacks minus ten yards passing. I'll give you that comment coming up in a moment. But here is too a tongue of Ioloa, who threw three interceptions, talking about his teammates.

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Speaker 7: I think it starts with the leadership in helping articulate that for the guys, and then what we're expecting out of the guys, right, we're expecting this?

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Speaker 5: Are we getting that?

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Speaker 2: Are we not getting that?

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Speaker 4: We have guys showing up to.

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Speaker 7: Player only meetings late, guys not showing up to player only meeting Like, there's a lot that goes into that. Do we have to make this mandatory? Do we not have to make this mandatory? So so it's it's a lot of it's a lot of things of that nature that we got to get cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if you're a leader, then why don't you handle this in house? Why did it get to a press conference? You're the quarterback? Why did it get to a press conference? You don't have to tell us everything, tell us what we need to know or you think we need to know. Now, all of a sudden, I'm questioning your quarterback, and I'm questioning your coach and the front office here and the players. Congratulations, you gave us the trifecta there, But when you throw three interceptions. That's when you have to go with your hat in your hand and say, hey, this starts with me, and I hope to get it together. I want all of us to meet and understand and air this out so how we can rectify this. We're one in five right now, and they are playing as if they want to get their coach fired, and they're talking as if they want to get their coach fired. Don't tell me. You don't have to. I mean, I'm in the content business. I love it. But if I'm a teammate or I'm a coach, shut up. Do what you need to do first, and then if you want to talk about other things, how about we talk as a group. But man, that felt like, man, this is leadership. Okay, maybe he is throwing himself under the bus, but it doesn't sound like that. You threw three picks. You were at home, you should have won the game. I don't think you should be calling people out. And hey, guys are showing up late to meetings. If you have player only meetings after six weeks, that says an awful lot about your team. Player only meeting after week two that says an awful lot, not only about the players, but also the coaches. All right, Seaton, what's the poll question today? Oh, by the way, here's Aaron Glenn. He's the head coach of the Jets and Justin Fields. Did he have a zero point zero zero quarterback rating?

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Speaker 4: You can't have a zero. You get like you can't.

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Speaker 3: I think you get like fifty two points just for showing up like the SATs.

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Speaker 4: Oh you get like seven hundred.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, here's the question to Aaron Glenn, the Jets head coach on Justin Fields for next week.

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Speaker 5: Just numbers knocking steam? You know you don't need to be your quarterback next week? Or come on, man, what kind of question is that?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 5: Your games?

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Speaker 7: There's a number of guys that you know, I mean, sometimes this league is like this and there are guys that have bad games.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't mean you just bench them. Come on, you know better than that. Okay, that's a fair question. It is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Aaron Glenn can act tough and about culture and whatever. You know what, that's a fair question because Justin Fields he was sacked nine times and I watch a lot of the game and a lot of those are because of him. Because you hold onto the ball or you don't get rid of it quick enough, or you try to make something happen with your legs. It feels like every week I talk about this, get the ball out or go down? Get the ball out or go down? First read right there go. Kurt Warner was talking about that, one of the greatest quarterbacks at reading quickly getting the ball out. Kurt Warner's saying, you got a guy open right there go. It's well, he's kind of you know, maybe I can know it's right there. And this is the difference between that quarterback who comes out of college into the NFL and I got to do all of this in college in high school to the guy two or three years later who understands I need to get the ball out quickly, read it and react. And Justin Fields was running around and I didn't think the Jets offensive line was that bad. But he threw for forty five yards and he was sacked nine times, so you could see you could feel Aaron Glenn's a little frosty that. How dare you ask me if Justin Fields off that performance is going to be my quarterback next week?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 2: Seaton Poll question, what are you thinking about?

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Speaker 8: Well, we normally start with who had the worst weekend? But this one I want to start. Before we can populate who had the worst weekend, we have to figure out if this person actually had a bad.

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Speaker 5: Weekend or not.

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Speaker 8: James Franklin, did he have a bad weekend? Got fired, lost another one, but is likely going to get picked up pretty soon by a probably pretty good program, and got a massive check for getting fired. Is that a bad weekend?

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Speaker 2: It's an embarrassing weekend. It's like, you know, you have you're a really good guy, but you had one night that you you know, you messed up and you're like, all right, that feels bad, and you wake up the next day and you go all right, and then further along it doesn't feel as bad. I think the embarrassing part of that, and but boy that it'll make you feel a whole lot better with that forty nine million dollars. So I would I would say it in the moment, had a bad night, bad weekend, lost his job. But bigger picture is you're going to get paid, and he'll coach someplace else next year.

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Speaker 8: Yes, he's going to get that, you know, forty nine million dollars, and then he's going to get hired at a place like Arkansas or something. Who's going to be like, holy crap, we got James Franklin. This is amazing, and he's going to be treated like a savior there. That's how he's going to land on his feet. For getting fired is crazy. I don't know that there is a more lucrative profession than being a failed college football coach. No doubt, it's the best gig in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll talk to Rick Neuheisel about that. You know, did they do the right thing because this is mid season and this is where you don't want somebody to win their way back, and he could have won his way back, and then now you have a real dilemma as well. Well, I mean, you can always fire him, but this is where this can't continue. But man, you have to ask the alumni in the boosters, Hey, we we have to pony up and pay this guy off. Somebody's got to write a check, yeah, Paul.

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Speaker 3: And this buyout for James Franklin goes back to twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty he was four and five. In twenty twenty one, he was seven and six and people were bailing on him. The current president gave him a ten year extension after a seven and six season, which is still being questioned by people in Penn State. But the next three years eleven wins, ten wins, thirteen wins.

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Speaker 2: Why a ten year deal.

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Speaker 4: After a seven and six season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even even if he was, you know, had eleven wins, like ten years, it's an eternity. And yes, you may lose your coach, but you gotta be damn sure if you're going to give him a ten year deal, you have to be sure. And I was never sure in it because he didn't win big games. And if that's what you want to be and you want to prove that you belong with Ohio State, in Michigan and Oregon in the Big ten, now Indiana and the big like, you have to you know, hey, we don't put up with this.

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Speaker 8: Yeah see, but I think that he I mean, he got a ten year deal because that's kind of the norm, isn't it. Like you could even go back to Charlie Weiss where he got a ten year deal, and then people they just get ten year deals with a monstrous buyout at the end of it, knowing that no one's ever going to see the the end of that contract, the life of that contract is.

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Speaker 2: I just don't understand ten years, even for baseball players, like we're giving them a fifteen year deal. Man, there's a lot that can go wrong in fifteen years, ten years with a coach five years, that's the max. Five years. Five years. Then you can establish your identity, you can get your players, we can find out how good you are. Then after that then we can discuss. But man, this is that's expensive divorce. Yeah, Pauline.

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Speaker 3: However, if you're Indiana University, you have to offer your coach Signetti a ten year contract now or someone else will in February.

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Speaker 2: But isn't five years enough.

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Speaker 3: It's like a game that's being played by the agents of college football and everyone's in on the joke. They all work together to get these monster extensions for each other because they know they'll get it elsewhere.

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Speaker 2: But I'm going to give you five but I'm going to pay you accordingly. Signetti, India is like the sixth highest paid coach in the Big Ten, Right, I'm going to pay you in accordance to what you're doing and what you've done with this program. I'm going to give you five years.

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Speaker 5: I don't need to give you ten.

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Speaker 2: Are you here for the bigger picture, because we're here for this at five years and he might say or his agent go, hey, why not ten? This guy got ten and that guy got ten.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 2: College football is changing too rapidly, and you can be really good and then really bad. And I think that's where you have to be careful with falling in love with somebody.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean you look Jimbo Fisher ten year contract, James Franklin obviously, Brian Kelly ten year deal, Kirby Smart ten year extension. They're all getting these ten year contracts to maximize whatever money they could get.

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Speaker 2: All right, your phone call says we always do every Monday, best and worst of the weekend. Up next next Rick Neuheisel, who talked about Bill Belichick over the weekend not coming back for another their year in his opinion, and did Penn State do the right thing and firing James Franklin. We're back after this.

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Speaker 2: Yea uh Rick Neuheisel, CBS sports college football analyst, and he was in you Gene for the big upset with Indiana and Oregon, which we'll talk about in a moment. We been spending a lot of time talking about Penn State. Did Penn State do the right thing? With James Franklin.

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Speaker 10: You know, it's hard to imagine a business saying it's the right thing when they're letting fifty million dollars go out the door and dead money, which is exactly what this is but I think, Dan, what we're in is an era where we're asking so much of our fan base to participate financially with nil you know, the collectives. I know we're doing it in house, but still that money's got to come from somewhere. And so I think what we've got is a bunch of kind of pseudo owners. And this is what happened with Jimbo Fisher at Texas A and m some rich oil guy said he's got to go, I'll write the check. And I'm sure something close to that happened at Penn State and Patcraft had to move.

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Speaker 2: You know, the record. If you just look at his record overall record, you go, that's pretty impressive and just about any university would sign up for that. But I said last week, there's there's the blue blood programs that wouldn't put up with that kind of one loss record to ranked teams. Ohio State, wo Michigan Wood and Alabama wouldn't, Georgia wouldn't. Penn State had to decide are we do we want to be in that group? Are we going to accept this? And I thought Franklin did a wonderful job in restoring you know, agreed some of the greatness to that program, But it's not a coincidence that he couldn't be, you know, ranked teams.

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Speaker 10: The number of games that went the other way make it no longer a coincidence. I agree with that there was something in the DNA that just didn't allow them to play free in those games, So I get it. I don't know that in the middle of the season it makes a lot of sense, but it does put them as the best job available. And if they're looking for a guy, I know Kurt Signetti's name is the one that everybody's using if they're looking for somebody.

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Speaker 6: It does allow the winels to start turning.

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Speaker 2: How do you get paid or how does the university pay you when you get fired?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 10: The Jimmy Sexton deal for Gus Malson was half of it was due in thirty days, so he had twenty one million coming at the end of that deal, and so Gus got.

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Speaker 6: Ten point eight ten point eight in thirty.

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Speaker 10: Days, and then over the life of the contract they paid the other ten point eight.

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Speaker 6: I penned the song did I Ever Tell You You're My Hero?

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Speaker 10: To Gus spouse, You're everything that I would like to be Bette Midler didn't sing it with as much emotion as I did.

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Speaker 2: I promise you the Indiana handling Oregon. You were at that game and it felt like Indiana buzz the better team and kind of took control of it. Was there a turning point for you in that game.

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Speaker 6: I think it was shocking.

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Speaker 10: I was thinking that the Oregon offense would be just too fast. I just had in my mind, you know, maybe you know the Midwestern farm Plotters would be on defense and it was just going to be lightning fast. Whether it be the pace or the speed of the players. They kept their edges.

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Speaker 6: All day long. That is a dang good.

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Speaker 10: Defense playing for Indiana, to go along with a rising star in Fernando Mendoza and two really good, probable NFL guys playing wide receiver. I just think that's a really good football team. And I think it was kind of shocking to Oregon that they could not use their speed to an advantage.

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Speaker 6: Give the Hoosiers all the credit in the world.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Rick new Heisl CBS Sports College football analysts, they were in Eugene for Indiana's win at Oregon. I'm watching the broadcast and you were very matter of factly saying Bill Belichick will be relieved of his duties at North Carolina or something similar to that at the end of the year.

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Speaker 10: I can't imagine this going much longer if what we're seeing continues, and what we're seeing is a very average to below average team on the field that doesn't look like they're having any fun, doesn't look inspired. The coach has taken, you know, breaks in the middle of the season. I asked a couple of guys that I know who played for Coach Belichick, would he ever take like little vacations in the middle of a bye week.

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Speaker 6: Says that car was parked in that parking lot twenty four to seven. That's where he lived.

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Speaker 10: I just don't see this as something that both sides are going to say can continue one for the legacy, especially if the money's right for Belichick. I see at the end of the season this going in a vastly different direction.

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Speaker 2: But does somebody hire him in the NFL, let's say the Dolphins job was open.

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Speaker 10: I can't imagine. I can't imagine somebody can go and get Bill Belichick at this age, and given what we just saw and the guy who said no distractions has been distraction with a capital D.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a big win for us, an impressive win to beat Michigan. I don't know how good Michigan is, and I'm not quite sure how good USC is, but you got to win that game knowing you got Notre Dame this weekend.

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Speaker 10: To me, it's the best win Lincoln Riley's had at SC because, as you point out, he has to be able to play with the bullies and Michigan had just run rough shot over Nebraska, not so much in the points, but in terms of just running the ball. For SC to hold up in the trenches and to find a way to win that game puts them in the contest. And now they've got a real banner game this week against the Irish, kind of a must win for both of them.

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Speaker 6: As it relates to.

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Speaker 2: CFP, any memories of South Bend were taking the show there later in the week.

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Speaker 10: You know, I've never been there for a game. I have been there for spring practice. I got to speak at a spring clinic for Brian Kelly. I have been there. Tony Alford used to be their running back coach. He was my running back coach at Washington, so he gave me the tour. The place is unbelievable. I mean it is unbelievable. You're in for a treat, but it's it's gonna be raucous for game day. And how about the Irish with just kind of presto chango. They're back right controlling their own destiny again with the two quality losses.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, Thanks for joining us, have a great week.

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Speaker 6: Always a pleasure, my friend.

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Speaker 2: John Smoltz, Hall of Famer baseball on Fox lead analyst and he was on the call with Joe Davis for the Alds, Blue Jays Yankees in the booth for the Mariners and Jays got underway last night first pitch tonight, Game two from Toronto at I think five oh three Eastern on Fox. Before I get to the baseball, we were just talking about respected bands, great bands that you don't like, and Seaton came up with the who Fritzy doesn't like Springsteen or Dylan and the Beatles. Marvin who was your pick, Jimmy Hendrick, Pauli, Pink Floyd, Pink Floyd, what about you, John respected band that you don't like.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not much of a I'm not much a follower of that of bands. You know.

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Speaker 11: I grew up, as you know, playing the accordion, take it or leave it? Weird Al Yankovich, you know, I mean, he's would make fun of the accordion.

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Speaker 5: He was brilliant, actually, But I don't know.

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Speaker 11: I hear a lot of people talk about black Eyed Peas, but I'm not a good guy to really.

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Speaker 5: Ask when it comes to bands.

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Speaker 2: I don't follow anybody, to be honest, when's the last time you played the accordion?

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Speaker 11: I tried to play it at my daughter's wedding in May. I was gonna we have a famous chicken dance song that we play every wedding. My daughter did a great job and running the she found in the court and you can't find him anymore. And the key was stuck so he couldn't play it. So it either saved me or but that would have been the last time.

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Speaker 5: It's been a long time.

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Speaker 2: Is that the no no no no no no no no no no no no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 5: That's the song we kind of grew up on.

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Speaker 2: Actually, all right, let's talk baseball here. Now you've seen Seattle in the in the Blue Jay. I was surprised Seattle won that game, considering fifteen innings, going cross country, traveled issues, and a Toronto team that seemed to be on fire. From what happened with the Yankees. What was the big difference do you think last night?

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Speaker 11: Well, the big difference was Toronto's offense didn't get on base a lot and other than the first inning, Bryce Miller had one of the greatest games I think you'll ever see a young man pitch given the circumstances. Look, this is a hard team to face, and especially at home. We saw the Yankees get absolutely obliterated on great pitching by the Yankees, just made it look like they'd never pitched before. So I was a little bit surprised that Seattle was able to hang in there on adrenaline alone. I've been part of those long eighteen inning game. Come back, try to play, you know, a day and a half later. It takes its toll. But as they said on the telecast, if they can hang in there, adrenaline gets you through the rest of that game. And Bryce Miller was a batter or two away from this being an ugly game, and it turned into an epic game because he had first pitch home run, then runners on first and second, one out, and that's when the crowd in Toronto and their offense gets going and they never got another run.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anyone could have predicted that.

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Speaker 2: When do you know to take out a pitcher if it's just mathematically with pitches or I mean, and how much is gut feeling talking to the catcher, you know, getting a sense of something more than just the analytics say I got to pull you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I think the biggest thing that gets overlooked is the swings the hitters are putting on the picture. I don't think they look at it as a direct response. They'll look at analytics, spin or velocity or just basically say third time through, I'm not even going to let him get there. And I think the managers that in this postseason have let their player have a moment is winning the games, meaning pictures that are going into the eighth inning are winning. Pictures that get taken out by fourth or fifth inning. You start rolling the dice, and I'll be honest, the Seattle Mariners are here because the greatest picture of our generation was only able to go six innings. If he goes seven innings, I don't think you can make an argument that Seattle would be here. So they benefited from all that work that they put in the file off pitches and get his pitch count up.

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Speaker 5: I was watching that game. I was shocked.

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Speaker 11: But based on the ear, he's never pitched over one hundred and five pitches. So Seattle is a benefactor from what Toronto does.

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Speaker 5: Very well and make your pitch count go way up.

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Speaker 2: The Dodgers have been relying on their starters, but it feels like they have to because of that bullpin.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, it's a total flip of the script. Last year they had no starters that they could count on, so they relied on their bullpens guys, and they used them and just really all of them got hurt. And now they've established such a depth that is working in their favor that you're seeing guys like Blake Snell first time ever ever getting into seventh inning.

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Speaker 5: In a postseeding game.

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Speaker 11: I mean that to me is like, shouldn't be a narrative, but it is, and I think now you're seeing again pitchers. At one point it was twelve and one. The pitcher that went longer than the other pitcher, they won the game. I know lately it has been a couple losses, but I think teams are going to have to trust their starters and know that they are having a moment and don't look. I'll give you one sixty two analytical reasoning and philosophy, I'll give it to you one sixty two. It doesn't apply in a best of five and a best of seven.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't.

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Speaker 11: It's just it doesn't work that way. And when you don't, when you don't deviate, you're really running the risk of that one sixty two model not working in a best of seven, because you never know if that one guy is going to be on that exceeds what he would do in the regular season, if you'd never give him that moment, I think you miss out.

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Speaker 2: What were your thoughts on Dave Roberts leaving Clayton Kershaw in or having him come back for that next inning?

00:29:40
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I saw it from afar. I thought that, you know, Clayton Kersall, what a moment. I just can't even imagine the adrenaline and the rush that he was going through. Knowing his careers over and he's had a couple of those weird innings in postseason in his history. It really is hard to explain. But I think for for Dave Roberts and everything that he believes and trusted his team, and that was a two to zero situation, right if it's two to one, I think the things are different. I know you say, oh, it's just one game, but in a short series that could mean the difference. I think he trusted what his team was capable of doing, even if that didn't go well, and it certainly didn't, and it approved that, you know, the next game they were able to handle and get that win.

00:30:27
Speaker 2: Do you think like there's certain trends and we've spoken about this, that you go in and throw as hard as you can for as long as you can, then next man up. That's basically pitching. But when it comes to hitting, are we going to find more teams with their best player leading off with success with Otani Kyle Schwarber, I don't know if you have other teams that come to mind that we're going to hit you right away I'm going to get more at bats with my guy.

00:30:55
Speaker 5: And that's where I kind of differ philosophically. One sixty two. I get it.

00:30:59
Speaker 11: You might get thirty five to forty more at bats and your best player, and that might win you one to two to three baseball games, which could be the difference for some teams in the postseason. I still don't get that because now you're not running the same models in a best best a seven series. How many more at bats is Otani gonna get it if it goes seven versus the second hitter?

00:31:19
Speaker 5: And is that going to be enough to help him win a game? Now?

00:31:22
Speaker 11: Otani's a freak. Let's leave him alone. He's the leadoff hitter. He can hit for power, he can steal. But I'm talking, let's just talk about Schwarber, you know, not getting him into RBI situations. You look at Toronto and how they're built. Guerrero bats in the three spot. It's perfect for him. Imagine if Guerrero their best hitter or Bulper Schett their best hitter, is leading off. Now, all of a sudden, you in a short series as a pitcher, I have an advantage I think over their best hitter. Because he's not going to come up with too many times with runners in scoring position. So one sixty two, again, I get it. I've never understood it in a best of five, but that's the thing. They never changed. So if you do it the whole regular season, you're going to do it in the postseason. And that's like splitting hairs a little bit for me. But I would you imagine Barry Bonds today, he would be leading off, thank you, thank you for a guy who gave up nine home runs, Thank you, lead off home run. I don't care like those are the kind of things that in the postseason when you're not giving your best hitter the chances to get with runners on over the course of the season. That's what that's my only argument about that. That narrative that works in the one sixty two. Like Aaron Judge batting second, he had a third a lot, But Aaron Judge is another great example of putting him in a spot to have fear factor for runners on.

00:32:40
Speaker 5: And I get it.

00:32:41
Speaker 11: You know, nine guys, you start your lineup the way you want and then it never works that way the rest of the game.

00:32:46
Speaker 5: I understand that.

00:32:48
Speaker 2: Has anybody ever asked you to autograph a ball that you gave up for a home run like the hitter as any you don't believe so so that that's no go you.

00:33:01
Speaker 5: I would have done it. Oh, I would have done it for sure.

00:33:03
Speaker 2: So Bond said, hey, you know, I hit this one off of you.

00:33:06
Speaker 6: Would you autograph this?

00:33:07
Speaker 5: Oh? Sure.

00:33:08
Speaker 11: Now I've seen the flip where Bond's at the All Star Game, some pitcher came to ask him for an autograph and he said, heck, no, you hit me twice. I at signing nothing. We're working on some Hall of Fame resumes. Dale Murphy, Steve Garvey, Don Maddingly, Yeah, anybody else, anybody else? Steve Garvey was a ten time All Star, Johnny, Yeah, no, Steve Garvey was. I mean when I think of the Dodgers, I think of Steve Garvey when I grew up watching, you know, the seventies and the early eighties. But they're all worthy, and you know, I'm I'm partial obviously to Dale Murphy and what he did and how he did it was such bad baseball teams, you know, I mean, that's one thing that people don't take into consideration. Then of course you got Andrew Jones coming up, who I think is surefire Hall of Fame player who's yet to get in. But but Don Mattingly is one of the guys that everybody who from New York talks about and how good he was and if he could have stayed healthier, the numbers he would have put up, he would have thrived in today's era. And that argument goes, I'll argue anybody that the Tony Gwinns, the guys who did not hit for power, could have thrived today because they don't swing, you know, from.

00:34:25
Speaker 5: Their dairy air, and they would get on base a lot.

00:34:27
Speaker 2: More, but they would be swinging differently John, because they would be brought up differently. Tony Gwyne brought up you got to swing hard, Wade Boggs, Rodkrue. Unfortunately, they would be told, hey, this is what the analytics say.

00:34:41
Speaker 11: True, unless they have the special gift like an arise like there are we're seeing a shift. It's slow. But the Toronto Blue Jays and the Milwaukee Brewers are not flukes. And why they're here. They put the ball in play, they don't strike out. If you look at the last twenty five World Series champions, you're not going to find three of them that are in the top ten in my memory that we're leading the league in strikeouts or in top ten of strikeouts. It's hard to do. I know, home runs are king and I get it. Like, but when you can combine the boat, which Toronto does and Milwaukee does, it changed. It changes how team plays against you. It changes the narrative of you're gonna have to work harder to get Toronto Blue Jays from eliminating them from the series.

00:35:22
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:35:22
Speaker 2: I've been saying that put the ball in play, get a walk, take an extra base, steal a bit, like all of these different things, and Milwaukee has done that. They don't have star power, but it feels like they're going to always be testing you and you're not. They're not waiting for a beginning. It's just we're gonna it's uh, death by water torture. It's going to be deep drip, drip, drip, drip.

00:35:46
Speaker 5: No doubt.

00:35:46
Speaker 11: And we've already seen a game and unfortunately the young you know, fitcher for Philadelphia. When you put the ball in play, you never know what's going to happen. But when you swing in this you know what's going to happen. And it's nothing, and and and again one sixty two. They don't care how many strikeouts there are. But in a postseason game, man, man on third, I've seen it. We've seen the fifteen inning game. Just make contact. Game over couldn't do it. And I think for Milwaukee that's what makes them special. And they run, they field, they have great arms, and they basically have drafted players that fit the Mint narrative of how they're going to play and that's why they Nobody, there is not one expert, not one baseball expert, said Milwaukee, you have the best record in baseball leaving spring training, not one.

00:36:28
Speaker 2: Did you cry at your daughter's wedding?

00:36:31
Speaker 5: I did not.

00:36:33
Speaker 11: I did not, but I tell you it was I had two of them this year, so one more coming up in November. But I definitely if I would have cried, if I'd have played the accordion probably See.

00:36:46
Speaker 2: I got three daughters. There is no way I can get through this without crying.

00:36:51
Speaker 6: No.

00:36:51
Speaker 11: Well, I've been very fortunate to have some really good sun in laws and that helps.

00:36:56
Speaker 2: And maybe you didn't care about your daughters as much as I care about mine, so you're kind of.

00:37:03
Speaker 5: That's a good part.

00:37:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, you're you were happy to get them out of the house. I get it. I understand it, John, I understand it. Hey have fun on the call. Tell Joe we said hello and thanks for joining us. Oh well, thanks Dan, all right, thanks John Smoltz.