A Look Back: The Jed Wyatt Interview

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Speaker 1: Hey guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm Rachel and I'm Allie and welcome you guys to a very special edition of Bachelor Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: Very special edition.

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Speaker 3: It is Ali because normally when we bring you a new podcast, we bring it to you every week, but sometimes if something big happens, which is what we promised you when we have breaking news, we will bring it to you, and that's what we're bringing to you right now in this extra special edition.

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Speaker 4: Rachel is in New York, so she's calling in.

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Speaker 1: Hey Rachel, Yeah, Alie, I could not miss this.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, we really knew that you all have so many questions about Jed and the Hannah situation, and we wanted to get answers for you guys, so we decided instead of waiting until next week for our podcast, and we were going to have this special I guess we'd like to say emergency edition of a Bachelor Happy Hour, so you guys can get your questions answered. Jed flew in last night to Los Angeles and he is coming. He's sitting down with us. Actually he's sitting right across from you right now, so let me not talk about him like he's in the third person. Jed welcome to our podcast. Thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 5: Thank you all so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we know you're tired, we know you're exhausted.

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Speaker 3: We don't want to take up a whole lot of your time, but we definitely just want to get right to it.

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Speaker 6: Right Ali, Yes, all right, Okay, So I think first, just to start it off, what do you want people to know right now?

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Speaker 7: I think the main thing really is just how how sorry I am.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've just.

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Speaker 7: Really had time to think about the things that have happened and how Hannah has felt, and you know, I'm very remorseful and ultimately just want to become a better person because of all this, and that's really my main thing right now.

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Speaker 3: But Jed, you know, we we I saw your interview on GMA, we watched it. We saw you on AFR where you apologized, and I feel like that.

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Speaker 1: That's what we've gotten from you.

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Speaker 3: You seem very sincere, you seem very remorseful about the whole situation and how it went down, and we understand that absolutely. I feel like there's more to it. We've heard you apologize, but we haven't heard your side of the story, and we really want to give you a chance for you to just speak freely and tell your side of what happened, because I don't think anybody's heard it to this point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Jed too.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, like, I want you to feel comfortable in this situation because I feel for you, Oh my goodness, like you have been like I what you did obviously is wrong.

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Speaker 4: You know that, right.

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Speaker 2: You apologize for it very sincerely, I believe, And I don't even fault you.

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Speaker 4: For going on the show for your music.

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Speaker 2: I've been very vocal about this since the notion that people go on the show because they want to have a good time. Nobody goes on the show thinking they're going to fall in love and then they do and they're like, oh my gosh, this works.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe it works. So I don't fault you.

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Speaker 2: If I had a music career now in the Bachelor asked me to come on, I'd be like to my husband, Hey, can you just hang tight because I'm gonna.

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Speaker 4: Go on a Bachelor. So I don't even fault you for that. But that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: I think, Like, like, where do you feel like it kind of all really messed up, really got messed up for you, like, just talk us through all of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So, like I like I told Hannah, you know I did. I did show up because I knew it was a platform.

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Speaker 5: I knew that.

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Speaker 7: It had a lot of opportunities for adventure. And then coming out of it, you know, all the people that I've seen seem like they have like a pretty amazing life. So that was all very intriguing to me. I was reached out to to do the show, I didn't sign up, and I just really felt like it was something I was supposed to do. It just landed in my lap. And you know, once I was there and I saw how emotional Hannah was and how passionate she was about the whole thing, it kind of hit me. I was like, I can remember it. I believe it was like within the second week that you know, this is real, This is a this is a real person. Though I don't know her that well, we haven't had much time to talk, I can see that her heart really.

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Speaker 5: Is in this.

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Speaker 7: And that was kind of the turning point for me that I was like, you know what, I want to really investigate this more, and you know, going forward, I could feel myself falling so I wanted to be honest with her, and if that meant her sitting me home immediately, then so be it. But I wanted her to know the honest truth as to why I showed up. And you know, going forward, you know, people ask me now, like, you know, you were so honest about that, why weren't too honest about the whole Haley situation? And in my head, you know, I had more closure than Haley. I felt like, you know, we had a conversation on the phone once I landed in LA and we knew that I was stepping into a very unforeseen future that anything could happen. We had talked about all the variables and you know, be that like if they wanted me to be a bachelor or something, or paradise or anything falling in love, like it was all discussed and understood that you know, who knows, right?

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Speaker 2: So was that's a great, great question. I love that you just shared that, because then let's look at the I love you right before? So was that like a goodbye I love you?

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Speaker 3: It was?

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I really did care for Haley. You know, we we had a great time together. Obviously, going on the show, there was not stable ground to actually commit to an exclusive relationship together like we just we never did that. So I mean I did love her, I did care for her. She's a great person. I will not talk bad about her. There's nothing bad to be said. But in my head, we had more closure than I think she did. I felt like we had more closure than I guess she did. So, you know, going into the journey, it wasn't crossing my mind because you know, I felt like we understood that anything could happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously, go ahead, Rachel.

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Speaker 3: Well, I just want to ask you this just piggybacking on what you mentioned before.

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Speaker 1: When you left that note to Haley and you make.

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Speaker 3: Comments that are like you know where my heart will be and I'll see you at the dock. That sounds like you're trying to you plan on returning to her. So if that's how you left her, how do you explain that? What does that mean?

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Speaker 7: I think actually, I know I was just really kind of talking out of my ass. I don't really know why I would say something like that when you know, I didn't know what I was getting into at all. Like I had not watched collectively, I've probably seen maybe three episodes of the show in my life. I had no idea what I was getting into, and you know, just I thought I was showing up for a platform, and then I met Hannah and completely fell in love and I was like, you know, wow, this is like completely unexpected.

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Speaker 1: So but Jed, yeah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: So I'll just preface this by saying I don't agree with Ali.

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Speaker 1: I have a different view of how I.

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Speaker 3: Interpret the situation. Sure, and so when you say I too as well. Did not watch the show before I was on it, But I understood that the concept of the show, which I'm I'm sure you did too as well, right, I understood that how the show works.

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Speaker 7: For the for the most part, I thought I understood. But you know, it's one of those things that want even even if you think you get it, once you're there, it's a completely different situation.

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Speaker 4: And I get that.

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Speaker 3: I know the show is about people are finding love at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: You did know that, right, yep?

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Speaker 7: Go ahead, Jed, Yeah, absolutely, Like I could see that entirely. But it's like I had no idea that it would actually be possible in that setting, like it just would you when even with watching like I didn't watch the show much because to me, it didn't seem real. Like when you watch the edits and you see how people act and react, it looks like it looks fake. And I had people in my ear prior to the show telling me it's scripted, that there's going to be people coming at you trying to fight you. On night one, like, I had all these variables going through my head and I had literally no idea what I was getting into.

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Speaker 5: So I'm and I.

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Speaker 2: Think that's fair Jed, Like I will say, and you know that I went on the show thinking it was BS like I didn't think that I was actually I mean, I did fall in love with Jason Mesnick' story again this is way back in the day, but like, again.

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Speaker 4: Did not.

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Speaker 2: I think most people don't go on the show for love, and that's the truth.

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Speaker 4: That's my opinion.

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Speaker 2: So I truly don't fault you for it. And I think that's interesting. I think a lot of viewers watched the show and wonder is it scripted?

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Speaker 4: Is it fake? And it's not.

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Speaker 2: But you don't realize that until you get there. You don't realize that the emotions are real, the feelings are real. So I feel that I think jed for me like I have been, and maybe people get mad at me for this, I've actually been quite a cheerleader for you, you like, in terms of I don't blame you for going on the show for music. When you came out with that information to Hannah, I was like, heck, yes, finally somebody says the truth. They didn't come on the.

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Speaker 4: Show for love.

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Speaker 2: So I actually really appreciated that. I think for me where all sort of fell apart was I know you say you didn't want to tell Hannah out of fear, but when you had to have realized when the information came out at that point, the fear is kind of out the window. I mean, so why then still were you sort of not being completely because even when you sat down with her, not after the final rows, before that, I feel like you were trying to talk your way.

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Speaker 7: Aroun That was one of the hardest conversations I've had in my life. And if it seemed like I was dancing around anything, it was simply because there were cameras in my face and I'm sitting there with someone that I wanted to spend the rest of my life with, feeling like it's falling apart and not knowing how to handle it.

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Speaker 5: It was just so much.

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Speaker 4: Did you not watch it?

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Speaker 7: I've I couldn't. To be honest, I couldn't do it. I mean this has all been so much, and especially going into you know, it was first aired when you know, right before I went to after the Final Rose, and I was in my trailer, so I couldn't watch it live, so I just walked in there kind of blind.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean I think we saw some emotion.

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Speaker 2: You know, you said I don't want to cry, and we saw a few tears, but I think what we really wanted to see, like as a viewer, was your fighting for the woman that you love in that point. Do you feel you gave it your all to say that relationship?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

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Speaker 7: I mean I had let her know that I would you do anything. I would come to LA to Alabama. I would have done like literally anything to sit down and have a conversation with her. And this is you know, prior to or this is after the where she broke the engagement. Leading up to that point, she didn't want to talk. She needed space and I understood that. So I mean I would have done literally anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did did your family your family had to have known about Haley, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean they knew exactly what we were and they knew that it was not a relationship.

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Speaker 5: They knew they knew like every bit of it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, because I assume maybe when during your hometown that the reason they were hesitant is because they're like, well, wait, he was just in another relationship. Like did your sister, your mom, or anybody off camera say, hey, whoa, you were just in a relationship. No.

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Speaker 7: The only thing they were saying to me off camera was is this real? Do you really feel this way? They were just skeptical to the whole, Like there's cameras around, there's lights, there's people running around our house. I walk in with a girl I'm filling head over heels about and they were just totally blown away. It wasn't like when I watched back on that, especially with the whole Haley thing coming out, I can see where people would say they knew or it felt like they were acting the way they did because of that, and that was not the case at all. Like I talked to them after, I was like, be honest with me, was any of this because of that situation?

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Speaker 3: And it just wasn't well, then, Jed, why did Hannah say when she was sitting with you in the house and you all were discussing the People magazine and Haley and everything with that, Why did Hannah say, no, wonder your family was acting like that? Because obviously it's something that she felt as well.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, I think it was just the to the moment and that discussion, because like I said, it was the hardest conversation that we have ever had and.

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Speaker 5: The weight of it.

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Speaker 7: I can see where she would be led to feel that way, but I know for a fact that that wasn't the case.

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Speaker 1: Jed.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, and I'm going to go back a bit because I told you, Ali and I have differing views on how this whole thing played out. When I am like you, I came onto the show skeptical, didn't believe it could work out, but was open to whatever opportunity presented itself, whether that be love, whether that be friendship, whether that be a platform after this, like you said, and I think that's how most people come on the show. I think what gets me about the way you came on the show, coupled with the messages that we saw from Haley, is that you admit that you came on the show with different motives. You came on the show technically to deceive Hannah, right, You just happened to fall in love with her as the show went on, and you were pleasantly surprised. So I guess my question, and maybe this is a burning question for a lot of people out there, how did you envision this going?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 3: How far were you willing to take it to grow your platform? Because that was your initial intention to come on the show.

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Speaker 7: What I had told a lot of people prior to going on this show, like all my friends, was you know that I am open, like you said, to anything that could happen, and if it was love, I just I would tell everyone I just don't see that happening. There's no way that that could happen in that setting. I was open to the idea, though, And were you Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean, did Haley know that?

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Speaker 3: Because I just feel like everything that you've said has been I came on for the platform. I've never heard you say that you were open to finding love on the show.

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Speaker 1: So I just want to be clear.

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Speaker 7: Right, Well, God knows if it's still there or not. But when I had my interviews in Nashville when they kind of did like my hometown.

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Speaker 5: Piece think.

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Speaker 7: When I was interviewed there, I can remember being asked if or if I thought that it would be possible to fall in love there, and I remember being just like, you know, I'm open to it. I just I doubt it. I just I didn't believe in it. I didn't think it was going to be possible, and my heart was open to it, and I talked to multiple people and said that I was open to the idea of it. I just didn't feel like it was feasible.

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Speaker 3: So and I think another question that people want to know is if you came on the show for a platform, why didn't you just go on American Idol or the voice I have?

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Speaker 7: You know, I was it just landed in my lap. I mean, like I said, it wasn't like I was out scouting for TV shows to go onto. I was, you know, I was happy, I was living life and I was reached out to to do it and it just kind of landed in my lap. So I felt like it was kind of a god thing and I just ran with it.

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Speaker 2: That's fair, do you My one thing I've really been wondering because I really think about Haley and this, right she it seems like her.

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Speaker 4: Heart was broken in this. Absolutely have you talked to her.

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Speaker 7: We have ran into each other and passing and talked briefly, but I haven't had the chance to like really go into any of this.

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Speaker 4: I want, where where did you see each other?

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Speaker 5: We ran into each other at a bar and.

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Speaker 4: What like what was said? Because it was this before after she gave her story.

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Speaker 5: This was before she gave her story. Oh right, So.

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Speaker 7: She came up to me and you know, we're surrounded by people. This is like right when I got back from the show. I believe one episode had played at this point, and people were like videoing me standing there. I was trying to have some conversation with my friends, and she walked right up to me and she was like, you know, you weren't going to call you weren't going to like say anything, And I just told her that I didn't feel like this was the time or place to have this conversation. And after that I kind of discussed with Hannah that she had been I had heard that she was throwing fits at bars and like throwing beer bottles and like making a scene, so I knew she was obviously pissed and rightfully so, and I felt like that was the point where I wanted to like say something, and.

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Speaker 4: So Hannah to Haley.

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Speaker 7: So I discussed with Hannah that I think that I should have this conversation with her. And Hannah was, you know, kind of brushing it off and making jokes about it. But we came to terms that I should just give her a call. So I did give Haley a call, and she ignored it and never called me back.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, So I guess my question is, then, at that point, were you afraid that you heard that.

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Speaker 1: Haley was causing a scene, you know, in Nashville.

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Speaker 3: Were you afraid at that point that maybe she might do something bigger?

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Speaker 1: Did you think she might go to the press?

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Speaker 7: I really honestly didn't think. So.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you said that you talked to Hannah prior to.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I think and correct me if I have the timeline wrong.

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Speaker 3: But maybe a couple of days after the proposal you told Hannah about this girl Haley.

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Speaker 7: No, actually I told her the morning after our engagement, and we were laying in bed and we started disgusting or disgusting talking about our past relationships and I ran her through literally everything that I have done, like my mistakes, this the stages of just like sleeping around the people I loved, thought I love like. We talked about everything. I'd never been honestly so open about my past as someone ever felt like I even could. I was just I felt like I could be completely open. So we talked about that and when we talked about Hailey, but I really gave more so my perspective on our relationship. And I could see now, like I can see now that I was not being mindful to how Haley was feeling. I was giving my side, my closure, my idea, but without thinking about how she might.

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Speaker 5: Have been feeling in the situation.

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Speaker 7: And you know now I see that she was hurt and that you know my behavior and words at times we're misleading. But like I said, in my head, I felt like we had said our goodbyes and known that or knew that I was going to step into this unforeseen future.

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Speaker 2: I think the hard part is with that is and this is the thing. You're twenty five, right, You're twenty five. You're a musician. You know in Nashville when I was twenty five, I mean, when I was twenty.

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Speaker 4: Five, I was the bechel Ritte. But right before that, you know, I'm going out, I'm partying, I'm dating guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm dating multiple guys, like you know, I think Rachel's actually talked about this.

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Speaker 4: Why we think that, maybe.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's the age on the show should be a higher age because at that age you're still kind of stall having fun, right, So I get all of that completely.

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Speaker 4: I think what the hard part.

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Speaker 2: Is to understand is the saying like I'll wait for you to meet you at the dock or I remember what you said, and then thinking that that was and then going and telling Hannah you know you thought that it was over right, Like, I don't understand. I can't connect those two things, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And I think a lot of.

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Speaker 2: People listening are and I think that same thing. So I want to give you the opportunity to sort of explain that, right.

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Speaker 7: I would really like to touch on the dock. And a lot of people will probably not believe this, but if you went to Haley and even asked her, she would tell you the truth on this, I would hope. But the doc is a metaphorical think for meditation that I taught her.

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Speaker 5: That's what it was.

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Speaker 7: It was not a physical doc, and to the public eye, it's going to look like an actual doc. And when I read that note back, I was like, damn it, that looks like I'm saying, let's meet at this dock. But I practiced meditation. I'm passionate about it. It was something that I taught her to do to go to this dock in her mind and to like sit there and be at peace.

00:21:52
Speaker 5: And that's that's what that was.

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Speaker 4: It's so funny.

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Speaker 2: I wish you came out and said that right away, because that's so interesting, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: I think I just like, when I read it back, I was like, there's no way anyone would ever believe me on this, but it's the truth.

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Speaker 5: Like it's the truth.

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Speaker 7: I would take a light detector test, like I would do anything like to say or to prove that that is true. And I know that Haley, you know, despite all this and her anger and being hurt, I know she would tell the truth and say that that was a metaphor.

00:22:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually believe you. I'm looking at you, staring.

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Speaker 2: You directly in the eyes, and I can tell you're telling the truth. Right now, So I a one hundred percent believe you, and I think that does make it different. Like I think I'm glad you're getting the opportunity to share that because I think saying you've been very clear that you loved her, or at least what you thought was love at the time, and saying I'll meet you at the dock, and seeing that's a meditation point like that, I can see that as almost like a goodbye.

00:22:44
Speaker 4: I'm kind of doing this unknown, like I don't know what's going to happen for us.

00:22:47
Speaker 2: I see that now, But what I didn't I didn't see it when I thought you were literally meeting her at.

00:22:53
Speaker 5: A doc I know.

00:22:54
Speaker 7: And that's what like when I read the note back, I was like God, like, literally everyone is going to think this and not.

00:23:00
Speaker 1: Believe this, But well, sorry, Jed, go ahead, no, go ahead.

00:23:06
Speaker 3: You have to understand that. The first sentence before that is you know where my heart will be?

00:23:10
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you owe Haley an apology? And are you going to talk to her?

00:23:15
Speaker 7: I really just need time to digest everything that has happened. Obviously, it's been a lot. It's been a lot for Hannah. It's been a lot for our famili has been a lot for me, and you know, I would like to say my piece to.

00:23:31
Speaker 5: Her, but it would just take time. I just need time.

00:23:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, Once you proposed to Hannah and then the next day you told Hannah about Hailey, then you went home, were you like, oh god, what like I have to tell Haley something like why.

00:23:51
Speaker 1: Did you decide to ghost her?

00:23:53
Speaker 3: I guess I'm more thinking, did you ever think at some point I have to confront Haley again?

00:24:00
Speaker 7: I felt like I had closure. It's like, it's clear to me that she did not at all. Obviously, but due to our discussions about me stepping into this unforeseen future and that anything could happen, I really and honestly assumed that, you know, it was understood that whatever happens happens, and we wanted the best for one another.

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Speaker 3: So you truly felt like I just want to be clear that when you since you whatever happens happened, and what happened was so you were engaged to Hannah. You felt like the door was closed with Haley at that point and you didn't know her an explanation.

00:24:42
Speaker 7: Like I said, again, we had closure over the phone. I kind of thought that that was what it was like. We knew that anything could happen, and we wanted the best for each other, and not out of disrespect, not out of like hate or anger. We just understood that, you know, anything could happen. And I mean, I now see that I was, you know, well, I wasn't like wrong for feeling how I felt because I cared about her and I told her that and I was clearly open about that to her. But I can see how she's hurt. Like I understand all of that.

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Speaker 2: Jedda, I believe you, and I guess the reason I just I feel so much for you in the situation is because I could have been in your situation because I have been very open that I had a boyfriend before I went on the show. He treated me like dirt and cheated on me like every weekend. But I couldn't get out of the relationship, so I went on The Bachelor to get out of that relationship to help me move on. I think the last text I sent before I went on the show was I love you to him. I'm actually pretty sure it was. So I think people are going to have a hard time understanding and I don't because again, I've been in your shoes kind of, but people are still and I feel like I'm trying to put words in your mouth, but I feel like I understand that, whereas people listening are going to be like, I still don't get it. You don't say I love you, and you know what I said before, I'll meet you at the dock or whatever something else, you know where my heart, my heart.

00:26:14
Speaker 3: Will be at the dock, Like, well, where was the text message that said whatever happens happens.

00:26:19
Speaker 1: Where was the text? I think that's where people get lost.

00:26:22
Speaker 3: Where's the text message that says, you know, I'm open to whatever.

00:26:26
Speaker 1: We have an understanding.

00:26:28
Speaker 3: That's what's lacking, right, And I think that's what's hard for people to understand.

00:26:34
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I doubt you, Jed.

00:26:36
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that, you know, when it comes to the hard facts and the evidence, we only see lawyer Rachel that Hale oh yeah, side that Hailey's bringing. But I will say that I truly do believe that you fell in love with Hannah on the show, and I think Ali and I both agree with that.

00:26:55
Speaker 1: I believe you fell in love with her.

00:26:57
Speaker 3: I believe that you got scared when when you know by the love that you were feeling, and then by knowing what you had left at home, and you just kind of it seems like you just panicked and thought, I don't know, maybe it'll all just disappear, right.

00:27:13
Speaker 7: I'll say this, I don't think you have to be in a labeled relationship to love someone.

00:27:21
Speaker 5: I really don't. And that was the case.

00:27:23
Speaker 7: And I'm also confused as to why everyone thinks that has to be in text for it to have been a conversation. We had conversation, face to face, conversation about what could happen, and just because it's not out there in a text message doesn't mean that that wasn't the case.

00:27:43
Speaker 2: So have you thought about reaching out to Haley and being like, hey, like you, can you come forward with the truth, because what you're saying is necessarily not you know, Can you say these conversations? Can you let people know that we had these conversations? You've thought about just asking her that because you're obviously being very.

00:28:03
Speaker 4: Nice about her. You say she's a great girl.

00:28:05
Speaker 2: You're not going to say anything bad. So I'm guessing she's pretty pissed at you. But have you considered just being like, hey, do you mind sharing that other side of the story. I get that you were hurt when you saw I went on the show and actually did, because she's probably hurt that you did fall in love. I'm sure she didn't think you would and she thought you were coming home to her. That seems like that's the scenario here. So have you thought about reaching out to her about that?

00:28:29
Speaker 7: I think that was in her mind the best case scenario, and I honestly have not. I didn't consider reaching out because my relationship with Hannah was my number one priority.

00:28:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a question for you, Jed. I personally am not as sympathetic to Haley, just to be honest, because if you guys had this understanding, she knew exactly what you were going on the show to do as well, and so at the same time, she's kind of at fault as well to a point, right, Like, I get that there weren't truths that were told. I understand all that, but she agreed for you to go on this show and to do what you were doing. So I'm not one hundred percent sympathetic towards.

00:29:15
Speaker 2: Some people think she didn't agree, like some people think that her heart was like broken and off he was going.

00:29:20
Speaker 5: She was very supportive about it.

00:29:22
Speaker 4: Oh exactly, Yeah.

00:29:23
Speaker 1: That says something about her.

00:29:24
Speaker 3: She knew he was going on this show, she knew that he was going to use the show initially as a platform for his music, and she was okay with it. Why is nobody saying that that's a character Faull? I'm sorry it is. So here's my question to you, Jed. Do you think that Haley came out because she was Do you think that Haley came out to speak to the press because she was hurt, or do you think she came out to use it as a platform for her own music.

00:29:52
Speaker 7: I know that she's hurt, but I know also that there's a good chance that she was seizing the opportunity as well.

00:30:03
Speaker 1: And of course she was.

00:30:04
Speaker 4: Yet I mean, and you can't really falter for it because you did it too.

00:30:07
Speaker 7: And I and I yeah, And another thing I don't understand is like she waited till I had like two hundred and fifty thousand followers to come out and say this, So like, I think it was intended to obviously hurt me. And what I don't understand is if you know, if you really do love someone, no matter how promising they've made it seem. If they're going on a dating show, regardless of why they're going on a dating show, why would you stay with them? And like why if for me, if I was in a relationship, I would not have gone onto a dating show.

00:30:40
Speaker 5: That's just me.

00:30:41
Speaker 7: I'm I'm not a cheater. And you know, and with my time with Haley, I did hang out with other people.

00:30:46
Speaker 5: I did.

00:30:47
Speaker 7: I did date other people. I slept with other people, like I.

00:30:50
Speaker 5: We were not in an exclusive relationship.

00:30:52
Speaker 1: Does she know that? Did she know you were sleeping with other people?

00:30:56
Speaker 7: No, because there was no We'd never had conversation, you know, saying this was this? You know, we we had never committed to being in an exclusive relationship. She's rightfully hurt, and I see that. I understand that. But the facts are the facts, whether she wants to come forward with it or not, there was conversation and clarity on my on my palf.

00:31:20
Speaker 3: What about these reports that once you got back from filming you were hooking up and flirting with other women while you were still engaged to Hannah.

00:31:31
Speaker 1: Is any of that true?

00:31:32
Speaker 5: Absolutely not?

00:31:36
Speaker 1: Is it?

00:31:36
Speaker 3: Is it maybe the case that y'all had already broken up, because according to Hannah, you guys broke up June eighteenth, so or ended the engagement. I should say you guys ended the engagement June eighteenth. Is there any truth that after that maybe you decided, Okay, well we're done. Maybe I'll just, you know, see what else is out there.

00:31:55
Speaker 5: My heart was broken?

00:31:56
Speaker 2: No, okay, yeah, I can see the look on your face, and that that's factual.

00:32:05
Speaker 3: I want to ask you this question too, before we get into things that happened after AFR. And I'm thinking of burning questions, and I'm thinking of things that people have wondered about you, and now you have your chance to talk about and like Allie and I said at the beginning, we want to give you that space to do that. Once you told Hannah that you initially came on the show for your music, why at that point did you continue to play your music and showcase it throughout the show.

00:32:35
Speaker 5: I am so glad that you asked this question.

00:32:37
Speaker 1: Good.

00:32:39
Speaker 7: So, when I brought my guitar to the show, I actually had no idea that I was going to be able to play as much as I did. I brought it to have something to do in my downtime. Obviously, it's my passion.

00:32:50
Speaker 5: I love it.

00:32:51
Speaker 7: I knew that I would be writing in my downtime, and there's you know, there's times that I would be like writing a song for Hannah, and you know, someone from production would hear it.

00:33:04
Speaker 5: I would play it for them.

00:33:04
Speaker 7: They're like, you should play that for her, And then I was lucky enough to get to do that on multiple occasions. I never would have dreamed that I got to do it as much as I did. And I can see where people are like, you're showcasing. You're showcasing your showcasing, when really it was me being given the opportunity.

00:33:21
Speaker 1: Given the opportunity to do to play.

00:33:23
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess, can't you understand how, you know what I just told this girl that I came on this show to use my music, to use this platform to showcase my music, and now here you are showcasing your music every opportunity that you can get, at least what we saw in watching it. I mean all the way from the very beginning of stepping out of the limo to the proposal at the end, So you can understand, how did it never cross your mind?

00:33:49
Speaker 1: You know? What maybe I have to just put the guitar down and talk to her.

00:33:53
Speaker 7: Prior to me telling Hannah to about how I came from music, she told me that when I when I showed up, she was skeptical about the fact that, you know, I played guitar for a night one and that she kind of felt like, oh, this is just another guy here for music. But up to this point, I can tell that you're here for me, and that was edited out and that was before I even told her anything, and I was like, Wow, it's crazy that you just said that, because then I told her my piece why I showed up, so she could tell that my emotion had completely flipped and that I was there for her at this point, and on that date.

00:34:30
Speaker 5: I was unaware of it.

00:34:31
Speaker 7: But they brought my guitar and they put it in another room and Hannah, after we had talked and she gave me the rose, led me into this room where my guitar was and she wanted me to play her a song. And I happened to have wrote a song the night before, so she she liked when I played and wanted me to play. And even after the show when we were engaged, she was very encouraging and wanted me to bring my guitar and wanted me to play for her. And you know that mail lot to me something.

00:35:00
Speaker 4: I love It was your love language.

00:35:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it is your love language. Well, love language is that, Well, it's how he expresses himself. I mean, you're a writer, because honestly, I think you express yourself. I think watching back sometimes I'd be like, Chad, I just want to see more emotion out of you, and you're a very like kind of chill guy, and I mean I don't want to put words in your mouth, but the way I saw it, it was like, that's how you express yourself.

00:35:28
Speaker 7: Right, I mean, yeah, it's been like that since I was little. I've been I started on piano when I was just like five years old. That's just always been Yeah, it's great outlet.

00:35:39
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you bring up that Hannah like asked you to play for her, like she like enjoyed that, So I'm sure that encouraged you to do it more, knowing that it's something that she really liked that you did.

00:35:50
Speaker 5: Absolutely.

00:35:51
Speaker 7: Yeah, And there was times that like I didn't want to play because I was like, I don't want her to feel like this. I don't want her to feel like this, and her and I had conversations. She never felt that way. You never felt like I was showcasing. I can see where the world would would say that, because it's like almost every episode I came walking up with that guitar, and I saw so many memes like here comes to Jet with that damn guitar.

00:36:10
Speaker 4: I actually got a guitar, many guitar to the podcast with me. But no, I'm in look out there.

00:36:18
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are just gonna I feel for you, like in a lot of the situation, I definitely think you mess like dub And I've said this already at the beginning.

00:36:26
Speaker 4: I'm you messed up with not being super honest about Haley. And I know you kind of.

00:36:29
Speaker 2: Think you were, but you weren't, you know, And I understand that that came from fear. But I don't blame you for the guitar, soft for any of that other stuff. Like I said, But one thing I do want to discuss is are you mad at Hannah? Like do you have anger towards her at this point?

00:36:45
Speaker 7: You know, I'm not angry at all. I think more than anything, I'm just really sad. I just feel, you know that, and just like I know she's sad and hurt too, and I know that she now has her closure and we'll move on and that's that's that's great.

00:37:01
Speaker 2: But the reason I asked, and this is why I ask, because people are gonna be like, what do you mean why would he be mad at Hannah? And the reason I asked that is because you did like some comments on Instagram of people saying she slept with you know, a bunch of guys.

00:37:14
Speaker 4: Two guys, Why did you do that?

00:37:17
Speaker 7: I tapped the comment to go see if he was replying to someone, and I liked it.

00:37:23
Speaker 1: You tapped the comment to see if who was replying.

00:37:26
Speaker 7: The comment rolled into my notifications. I tapped it. Wherever I tapped it, it liked it.

00:37:32
Speaker 5: Period.

00:37:33
Speaker 4: Did you not realize that?

00:37:34
Speaker 7: Or I had no idea until someone sent me an article to be like. They were like, why did you do that? And I was like, oh shit, Like I didn't mean to do that, wasn't I don't want to feel that way. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's like not easy to hear the things that I've heard watching back on the season. You know, it's like a really weird thing to see someone that you love so much be so open about other people.

00:37:57
Speaker 1: Are you referring to the windmill?

00:37:59
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yeah, it's like it's it's hard to hear.

00:38:02
Speaker 7: I know that's the name of the game, that's the show, but it's not easy to hear when it's so. That was a mistake, but I'll own it. I did like it.

00:38:13
Speaker 3: How many comments did you like like that? Was that the only one?

00:38:18
Speaker 5: I don't know?

00:38:22
Speaker 4: I don't know.

00:38:24
Speaker 7: I mean, that's the only one I'm aware of. That's the only article I've seen.

00:38:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I get that that could be a mistake. I mean, but I also get and the reason I thought maybe he did like it is I understand how hurtful that would be, you know, I being a past specheler, I can say that if my who cares about my story. But if my top three guy hadn't left me, I would have slept with more than one person in the fantasy suite.

00:38:55
Speaker 4: I would have.

00:38:56
Speaker 2: I didn't because my guy left me, but I would have because I know how important physical intimacy is on the show, And if you're about to get engaged with someone, you probably want to know, like, do you have a physical connection. Yeah, but I also putting myself in the other people shoes because I left Top four when I was a contestant. That has got to sting. And I get that you have a lot of wrongs and you know, but it's still your human being and that's got to hurt too. Like, what did you did you feel anything when she's talking about two times in the windmill?

00:39:29
Speaker 5: Right? Well, it was actually four times.

00:39:31
Speaker 4: Well, but she said two times, you guys are already broken up. When she said four times, you'd already.

00:39:36
Speaker 2: Split up, but you are engaged when the two times thing? Or had you already split up? We had been split up at that point, So how did you feel?

00:39:47
Speaker 7: It was just, you know, I knew about Peter at that point. I didn't know the details. I didn't care to know the details because you know, I just don't really love to hear about that kind of thing.

00:39:59
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's just weird, you know, it's weird.

00:40:04
Speaker 7: I think it would be weird for just about anyone to see someone that you care about a lot be open and talk about sleeping with someone else. And you know, that's her role and this was her journey and she's not wrong for doing it like there's nothing really wrong with it, but it does stink, you know. Just there's not really anything you can do to prepare yourself to watch someone you care about be open about that.

00:40:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, Allie asks you if you were angry at Hannah, But I guess my question is, can you blame Hannah for the way that she's reacted since finding out everything she did about Hayley?

00:40:52
Speaker 7: Absolutely not. She was very straightforward about how she wanted honesty and openness from the very beginning, from night one, she was open about that, so I can see entirely how and why she feels the way she feels right now or felt.

00:41:11
Speaker 1: I want to follow up on something you said on GMA.

00:41:14
Speaker 3: You know, when you were talking to Michael Strahan, you said to him that you had discussed.

00:41:20
Speaker 1: With Hannah Hayley.

00:41:22
Speaker 3: But did your discussions mirror the article that came out in People magazine.

00:41:27
Speaker 7: There was details in the article that, like I said before, I wasn't even considering her side or her feelings. I told her pretty much from my perspective what we were and what it felt like, without considering how she was feeling. And that's my fault, and I'll own up to it.

00:41:45
Speaker 3: I want to give you an opportunity to clear things up, because this is the first time you've really been able to just talk freely. You know, it's not a TV segment, it's an open conversation, and so I guess i'd also ask you, is there something yet that we haven't addressed that you want to clear up? Because everyone's been asking or assuming certain things.

00:42:06
Speaker 2: I think at this point you can assume that if there's a sick eleton in your closet, it's going to come out.

00:42:11
Speaker 7: At this point, absolutely, there's no I mean, I feel like We've touched a lot of the points that I've ever wanted to make that I've kept quiet over because all I wanted to do is mend the relationship with Hannah. I didn't come out and defend myself immediately.

00:42:26
Speaker 5: I could have.

00:42:27
Speaker 7: I could have came out and did any I could have defended myself off the bat with the Haley situation and spoke just on behalf of that. But what was important to me was Hannah and trying to fix that.

00:42:41
Speaker 5: And that's that's just it.

00:42:44
Speaker 2: Have you guys spoken since after the final rows at all? Or is your contact completely cut off?

00:42:48
Speaker 7: We haven't spoken, and you know, I feel like down the road we could have friendship. I mean, she's great and we have always got along, we have a great time. I think she's an amazing woman. She's strong, she killed her role at this. I mean, you can't ask for someone to be more passionate, more open, and she did everything in my opinion.

00:43:19
Speaker 5: Great.

00:43:20
Speaker 7: She did great, and I just I hope down the road that we can be friends.

00:43:27
Speaker 2: Do you think her and Tyler are going to end up together? How do you feel about that situation?

00:43:30
Speaker 3: Uh?

00:43:31
Speaker 7: Kind of, Like I said on Good Morning America, I just had a weird feeling going into after the final rows that something like that could happen. Tyler's an amazing guy. I don't fault her for saying what she did or asking him.

00:43:46
Speaker 2: Or has your relationship with any of the guys changed with all this coming out or have they been supportive? Because do you talk to the guys.

00:43:53
Speaker 7: I could not have asked for, honestly, a better group of people to go into this with. They've been supportive and high to me and you know, obviously offering their opinions on the situation, and you know, telling me things that you know are helpful and they've I mean they've they're great friends. I mean, obviously there's a couple that I don't talk to you as much.

00:44:19
Speaker 4: But yeah, assuming you don't talk to Luke.

00:44:23
Speaker 2: So, like, did any of the guys like call you out and say, hey, Jed, what the heck?

00:44:30
Speaker 4: Or were they like what did they say?

00:44:34
Speaker 7: No one called me out. It was it was more so just Nick Vile. None of the guys on my season has said anything.

00:44:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, because Nicholas, let's expect on that. I don't even know what you're talking about. What is Nick vild been?

00:44:49
Speaker 1: So let's talk about it. How do you Okay?

00:44:52
Speaker 3: So, I think it's great that you have received support from the guys from your season. And I'll be honest, I've talked to several guys for in your season, and they all have great things to say about you.

00:45:04
Speaker 1: Even when I tried to dig and tried to say but okay, yeah.

00:45:07
Speaker 4: Peter, he had great things to say about you.

00:45:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're like, okay, but maybe this No, They're like we were.

00:45:14
Speaker 1: We lived with Jed. He's actually a really great guy. We understand what you've seen in the media.

00:45:18
Speaker 3: We understand, you know, certain things that have popped up but Jed is really a good person.

00:45:22
Speaker 1: Even Hannah said.

00:45:24
Speaker 3: You know, she fell in love with with the goodness, the good part of you. She knows it's in there for you and maybe this whole situation will prepare you for the next person, so she acknowledges it as well.

00:45:34
Speaker 1: But since you brought up Nick Vile, what what do you because that's whose season I was on.

00:45:40
Speaker 3: What what do you think about past contestants or past leads offering their opinion opinion in such a way, because you obviously feel strongly about things that he has said.

00:45:54
Speaker 2: And I think you know, obviously Rachel and I have this podcast and we are giving our opinion, so we're our opinion as alumni too. I think the difference is there's a way to be respectful about it.

00:46:05
Speaker 7: Yeah, totally, and you guys do that perfectly in my opinion. I mean, everyone's entitled their opinion, and with social media, people are very quick to jump on what's the most popular thing happening and how they can either use it to benefit themselves, get retweets, to get retweets.

00:46:26
Speaker 5: To get likes.

00:46:26
Speaker 7: And I understand that I've been as of recently, the talk of the town, so I see why people are doing doing that. But it's like, get to know me before you talk shit. And if you come with my family, like, don't do that.

00:46:42
Speaker 4: Did he do that?

00:46:43
Speaker 7: I've seen him say some some slurs and stuff on Twitter and it's just, you know, it's like have some respect.

00:46:51
Speaker 1: So you feel like he's doing it to try to stay relevant.

00:46:55
Speaker 7: Absolutely, are you kidding me? That's what he thrives off.

00:46:59
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I mean I'm with you. I uh, I mean, not with the knick thing. But I think people are not just social or not just past Bachelor contestants in general, people have this screen up when they're on the Internet and feel like they can.

00:47:14
Speaker 4: Say whatever they want.

00:47:15
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm so happy that you're here, Jed, is because not only have all the guys said great things about you, Hannah has said great things about you, despite how hurt she is. I'm you know, we're sitting here talking to you. We can see that you're a good person. Of course you're a good person. You just really fucked up.

00:47:32
Speaker 4: You did. I mean, can you say that right now that I messed up big time?

00:47:38
Speaker 7: I can see all my faults and like I said, I'm going to grow from it and it is going to make me a better person. It just it's crazy when it's in the public eye that you have to go through something.

00:47:49
Speaker 5: Like this and.

00:47:51
Speaker 7: Be open to everyone's opinions and judgment. But you know, absolutely, I can see all my faults.

00:47:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jed, I think that you learn the hardest lesson on the biggest stage and it'll be something that you grow from at the end of the day. Like we talk about Hannah's strength and everything that she went through, and she did go through a lot, but at the same time, you have to be really strong on your end, and.

00:48:17
Speaker 1: She gave that to you.

00:48:17
Speaker 7: You know.

00:48:18
Speaker 3: When she talked about Grace on the stage, she said, I know that you have a lot of critics. I have them too, but I know people are coming down on you, and I'll even be honest. When when she was on straight hand and Sarah, she said, I don't want to say anything about him because so many people are already coming at him.

00:48:33
Speaker 1: So it takes a lot of.

00:48:34
Speaker 3: Strength for you to be able to come sit with us have these tough conversations. But we thank you for it, and we thank you for being, you know, strong enough to tell your side of the story. I do want to ask you, though, what's next for you? I think a lot of people want to know what do you want to do now? Paradise just kidding.

00:49:01
Speaker 7: You know, Really, I just want to take the next bit and just focus on my spiritual and mental health.

00:49:09
Speaker 5: That's it.

00:49:09
Speaker 7: I mean, the weight of all this has been insane, and you know, I just want to surround myself with good people and really just work on my soul.

00:49:22
Speaker 4: And I'm glad you brought up mental health. Yeah.

00:49:24
Speaker 2: I think people out there, anyone listening to this right now who maybe still feels angry with you, is that we need to think about people's mental health in this because I cannot imagine how you are feeling and how you've been feeling and having millions of people just judging you and saying terrible things about you. That is so hurtful. And we really need to think about mental health and what that can do to a person, because I know you're a strong guy, but that can break anybody.

00:49:56
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I like to think that I am very you know, mentally strong, like in a lot of situations, and this has been extremely heavy, and you know, I want to talk for a second about like other people going through this. You know, I know that the Blake guy, he's fucked up and done some shit, and you know, I just think people need to, like, even though they don't agree with it or think it's terrible, just have a little grace because at the end of the day, like we're humans. I mean, same for Luke. I don't agree with him, not that, not the slightest bit do I agree with him, But we're humans where we have this this thing where it's easy to get caught up in what people are saying. And sure you can say that you're not going to look at it or that you ignore it, but that only goes for so long, and people need to realize how much words actually can affect someone's mental health and respect.

00:50:56
Speaker 4: That do you feel for Luke in this situation.

00:50:59
Speaker 7: Now that I've gone through the hate that I've gone through, you know, like even before I did, like I I it was just constant memes, constant shots, and you know, I've even taken some shots at him obviously, Like I didn't agree with the guy at all. But now that I have this perspective, I think people just need to have a little grace for everyone.

00:51:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you cannot like somebody that's totally okay.

00:51:21
Speaker 2: Like, and you can say I don't understand why this person is here, but saying like they should jump off a bridge on social media is not okay.

00:51:28
Speaker 5: It's not okay.

00:51:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a bit too far.

00:51:31
Speaker 7: So like that, you know that being said, Hannah has been, you know, being drilled the entire time, the entire season.

00:51:42
Speaker 5: Like yeah, yeah, Luke got it.

00:51:44
Speaker 7: Bad, I got it bad later. But she's had this judgment the entire time. Yeah, And I don't think there's anyone in this world that could have handled it the way she did. She was strong, she held true to herself, and you can't ask for more than that from someone.

00:51:58
Speaker 2: And I will say I have not agreed with a lot of the things Hannah has done throughout the season. I write a blog and on it, I have been extremely critical of some of the things that she has done throughout the season, but always in a respectful way, always in a way of I am behind her. I don't agree with the way she did this, but I know she's growing from this, And I think that's the difference.

00:52:16
Speaker 4: You don't have to like everybody, you don't have to agree with that.

00:52:18
Speaker 2: I do like Hannah, but You don't have to agree with what everybody's doing, but you just have to be realize they're real human beings like Rachel and I have been there. I mean, obviously not to the extent that you have experienced it, but honestly, I was a little hesitant to do this podcast. And the reason I was is because I was a bachelor I almost.

00:52:35
Speaker 4: Ten years ago.

00:52:36
Speaker 2: But I remember sitting at my computer and seeing the terrible things people were saying about me and crying my eyes out because yes, I'm strong, I've been strong my whole life, but oh my gosh, one person.

00:52:48
Speaker 4: Can only take so much.

00:52:50
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to do this podcast at first because I thought, oh my gosh, I'm putting myself back out there to be judged again by Bachelor Nation, which Bacheloration is incredible, but there's a handful of weeds among the flowers.

00:53:03
Speaker 1: That really a lot of weeds to dig.

00:53:06
Speaker 4: Would you say, Rachel, there's a lot of weeds? Is that what you said?

00:53:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of weeds.

00:53:10
Speaker 6: Yeah.

00:53:11
Speaker 4: So I mean, Rachel, how do you like? How is what do you care about?

00:53:15
Speaker 7: So?

00:53:15
Speaker 3: I am a very strong person, but at the same time, I absolutely have my moments where sometimes this becomes too much and it gets to me. And I think it's important to talk about because a lot of times people do just see me as strong, but this being in this world has affected me at the same time. And you know, like Ali said, we've both as leads have definitely been subject to a lot of criticism. And for me being the first black bachelorette, I was being criticized for things that I can't change.

00:53:49
Speaker 1: You know, I'm black. I can't change that.

00:53:51
Speaker 3: You know, I was born that way, and a lot of the criticism that came to me it was because of the way that I looked, or stereotype for because of the way I look that people place on black people. So it was I knew I would get it, but as much as you prepare yourself for it, you never are ready for it. And at the same time, it's like when people are praising you one second, you're also going to have.

00:54:15
Speaker 1: The flipping of people criticizing you.

00:54:18
Speaker 3: And it's a hard balance to have and the strongest person is affected by it. So I think it's really important. You know that we're having this conversation now and we're sharing our experiences at how tough. It is. I'm tough on people too. I'm tough, Jed. I think you handled this interview quite well.

00:54:35
Speaker 4: I was nervous for you, Jed, because of Rachel.

00:54:37
Speaker 3: I'm very I'm very direct, and I get that sometimes I fall victim of, you know, going after people without understanding it or realizing, Hey, Rachel, you know what it's like to be in that person's shoes and have people criticizing you for things they don't know or they don't know the whole story. So I think that it's important for hello, I'm talking to you, to realize that these people are We're human, and we mess up and we make mistakes, and we're making them on the biggest stage. So at times, give us a break.

00:55:14
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, I mean I.

00:55:17
Speaker 2: Do see sometimes I will say, I mean I haven't read any of Nick's tweets, but people do kind of jump on the bandwagon of like whatever Bachelor Nation's feeling and to you know, just kind of follow along with that. I don't do that, Like if I'm going to tweet or put something on Instagram, I feel like I'll do it as Again, I don't agree with this, but I massage it a little bit. I realize that the person I'm talking about is me just like me, you know, like because I've been there, so it's it's hard for me sometimes when past contestants are so ruthless because they've been there totally and they know how.

00:55:51
Speaker 5: Much it hurts totally.

00:55:52
Speaker 7: And like I've taken shots at Luke on Twitter and it's like it's just like an easy thing to do, but it's not right.

00:55:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's not always right.

00:56:00
Speaker 3: I definitely say some very blunt things, but I think.

00:56:06
Speaker 1: As long as you're funny, it softens enough.

00:56:12
Speaker 5: Yeah.

00:56:12
Speaker 2: See, I'm like again, I always go back to I'm the mom of this podcast, Like I'm just like, oh, I always think of that person my son or my daughter, you know.

00:56:20
Speaker 4: But none of us are perfect. I'm sure at some point for sure.

00:56:23
Speaker 2: Definitely past seasons, I've said some things that were mean, you know, if I had an opinion, and.

00:56:28
Speaker 4: I think you just learned, like you said, I mean, the whole.

00:56:30
Speaker 2: Point of this, I mean, I think your story, Jed is that nobody is perfect and we all mess up, all of us. Just you know, we have millions of people to let us know when.

00:56:40
Speaker 4: We did it. Absolutely, and your mistake you exactly.

00:56:44
Speaker 7: Everyone can change, everyone can grow, and you got to just focus on that.

00:56:48
Speaker 2: Well. I hope people listening to this know that your mistakes do not define you. And I can say that sitting with you right now, I can tell and feel the good energy from you, and I see what Hannah saw on you stup. But you're human and you've admitted it. That's what else can you do. And I can say confidently, I think that whoever you do end up with is going to be a very lucky girl, because I think you're going to be pretty dang and honest with that person.

00:57:14
Speaker 4: You're going to be like it is I just like I looked at another girl and I saw her cleavage. I had to tell you because I don't want you to think I'm lying, like you're going to be really honest.

00:57:24
Speaker 2: Jed.

00:57:24
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for being here.

00:57:26
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's not easy to do what you're doing right now, and we really appreciate you telling your story here.

00:57:31
Speaker 4: First.

00:57:32
Speaker 5: Absolutely, thank you all for having me.

00:57:33
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's been heavy on my heart to be able to kind of open up about everything, and I appreciate you all giving me the opportunity to do that.

00:57:41
Speaker 1: Here absolutely, Thank you Jed.

00:57:43
Speaker 3: We definitely wish you the very best in the future, and we'll see you at the dock.

00:57:52
Speaker 4: I love meditation too, so I love that you do that.

00:57:54
Speaker 2: And I will say to all of you guys listening, thank you so much for tuning into this very special edition of a Bachelor Happy Hour. And actually we're gonna be back with our regular podcast next week and we have Demi and Caylen from Bachelor in Paradise on the show. We're gonna talk to Demi about her groundbit breaking Paradise journey, which is very cool, and how her family reacted to her telling the world that she had been dating a woman prior to coming to Paradise.

00:58:20
Speaker 1: And also, you.

00:58:21
Speaker 3: Guys, Caylen will be here, and from the looks of it, she got all caught up in the Blake drama that is all the talk in Paradise, and we're going to talk about that with her.

00:58:30
Speaker 2: Yes, we're gonna we're gonna have grace for Blake, but we're also gonna call him a jerk and you'll find out why.

00:58:37
Speaker 4: So in the meantime.

00:58:40
Speaker 2: In the meantime, guys, you can get all the latest Bachelor Nation news on Bachelornation dot com right now and follow us on social media because actually, Jed, before we came into this interview, I like pulled my followers and asked them what questions we should ask you. So some of those questions came from my followers.

00:58:55
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you brought that up, Alli, because we want to hear from you guys, and we want you to tell us what we like and what you don't like about the show. So tell us more of that.

00:59:04
Speaker 1: We want to hear it.

00:59:05
Speaker 3: You can email us at happy Hour at bachelornation dot com, or you can visit us at bachelornation dot com and click podcasts.

00:59:13
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely do that. Send us all the emails we want. We want all of them.

00:59:17
Speaker 4: So thank you so much for listening.

00:59:18
Speaker 2: This was really really great, Jed, thank you again, and don't forget to subscribe to our podcast, Bachelor Happy Hour. You can subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you're listening to this right now