Hour 2 – Kyle Whittingham, NIL Madness

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio Our two.

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Speaker 2: On this Tuesday, we'll talk to the new Michigan head coach, Kyle Whittingham. He'll join us in twenty minutes from now. He got good news yesterday. Bryce Underwood is quarterback apparently staying. What a weird situation where you go, hey, you know if your quarterback is staying? I don't know, and then all of a sudden you get word that, yes, he is staying. I guess there was thought that he could go to lsu In and everybody. But we'll talk to Kyle. He'll join us. We had a conversation with him yesterday after the show. Reggie Miller will stop by as well. Your phone calls always welcome eight seven to seven three. DP Show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP show. Good morning if you're watching on Peacock and our radio affiliates around the country, including iHeartRadio, Fox Sports Radio. Stat of the Day is always brought to you by Benini America, the official trading cards of the program. We'll get to your phone calls. Operator is sitting by. He'll take your calls. Seaton, would you give us an update on the poll question from the first hour and what we're looking at hour two of this award nominated program.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're actually doing the poll question a little differently today. So if you go to Dan Patrick dot com, you can see there's a thing in the picture right there that has the.

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Speaker 2: Link in it.

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Speaker 3: Click on that link and we'll have you rank the current NFL head coaching openings. So you click that link and then you can basically slide one up to the top for the best, slide one down to the bottom for the worst.

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Speaker 2: It's also on our Instagram page. Click those results pending. Okay, we had Mike Tannenbaum on. He was a former front office executive for two franchises and it's not a report, but he did bring up the possibility of what about Kurt Signetti and Fernando Mendoza package deal to the Raiders, And I thought I'd be shocked, but you know, you start to think about it. If you're the Raiders, why not? Why not? If you're Tom Brady, swing away, go for it. See if you've got somebody you have to believe that Kurt Signetti is that guy, because, as Mike Tanebaum also said in the same breath. College coaches don't do well when they go into the NFL. Well, you're asking a guy who's certainly set in his ways, who's in his what mid sixties, and you know, with a magical season here. I don't know if it's one of those, Hey, if he wins the national title type situations, would he be interested in something like that? You know, it's like Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame. The Giants reportedly were interested in him. Now, do I see him as an NFL head coach at some point? Yeah? Probably so. But it's hard to pass up the money that's being spent in college football right now. And you're getting deals that are seven, eight, nine years. You're getting one hundred million dollar deals, and yes, is it a chaotic time with NIO and transfer portals and collectives. You know the fact that you're spending upwards of forty million dollars with some of these programs. And I gave you this information yesterday from my source who said, you kind of have to that's your ballpark figure. Now I thought it was like twenty million. That was, you know, the money that you were going to get for each school. Then there's nil the collectives and see, none of this makes any sense to me or a difference, because, as I've said for years, I kept thinking that if I'm T Boom Pickings when he was alive at Oklahoma State, and I just say, I'm a billionaire, what kind of money do you want? How about I give you forty million, thirty million, do whatever you want? Get me the best team. Well that's what's going on now. All it takes is one guy Texas Tech. One guy goes, you know what, We're going to have a damn good football team here. And they're spending five million dollars reportedly on a quarterback to trans from Cincinnati to Texas Tech. Oh, it's wild. And that's why the so called blue bloods aren't blue bloods anymore. Even in basketball. And this may come as a shock, but players got paid to go to some of these schools. Yeah, believe it or not. Marvin what, Yes, the thought, Yes, now you don't have to pay somebody under the table, but you still can. It's still going on. It's like, Nope, that's the amount of money that you get. Uh what about that money over there? Sh that's where you get to forty and the fifty million dollars and if the players are going to get this, good for them, they have every right to this. Yeah, Ston, there are.

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Speaker 3: Certain topics that we in sports media just can't resist. They're just too delicious, even though they are never the chances of them happening, it's probably ninety nine point nine percent it's never going to happen. And one of our favorites in this business the last like five to ten years is package deal. Coach and quarterback both go together, they both make the jump together. Huh can't you see Lincoln Riley, Caleb Williams?

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Speaker 2: What could go wrong?

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Speaker 3: What could go wrong? It's perfect, It's perfect. We God, we love that story. We can't resist, even it's never gonna happen. We do it every single year. There's a package deal.

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Speaker 2: That, Oh we love it. Yeah, but sports media is about hypotheticals.

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Speaker 3: Sports media is about a calendar and what are the topics that happened this time every single year? And package deal is one that happens every single time this year. Yes, Marvin, even the ones that don't make sense. Nick Saban arch Manning.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know in Cleveland people ran with that, and I go first of all, arch isn't coming out. Who wouldn't want that? Second of all, Saban is not crazy enough that he would want to go back into coaching. I got some unfinished business with the Cleveland Browns. But you know it was thrown out there by somebody reputable and then people ran with it. Yes, Paul, well it's going to happen today.

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Speaker 4: Someone's going to take the Mike Tannabaum topic and turn it into is this a possibility as opposed to just Mike Tannabam'm saying this is what I do if I ran the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: It will be a topic bar because and Pauli's right, sometimes when something comes up on the show and then we say, oh well, let's talk about that possibility and it's not a report. Mike Tannebaum was saying, Hey, what about That's all he's saying. He didn't say you know what I heard from or there's a chance he didn't say that. But that doesn't that won't stop people from running with this. If you're running the Raiders, you're a Raiders fan, or you're hosting a show and you want to throw something out there, you're going to get people's attention with this. But it is not a report. It was just Mike saying why not?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Ton, and do you even want to be that guy who had this great thing at Indiana and maybe a national championship, maybe building on that, maybe a multiple championships.

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Speaker 6: You're the guy.

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Speaker 5: Forever in Indiana and you go six and eleven or seven ten as the Raiders coach?

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Speaker 6: Do you you know?

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Speaker 5: I don't know what his ego is that we'd like to try his hand at being a successful NFL coach. Is that worth it to him and his legacy to not stay where he just built something great? What do you think I think you should stay in Indiana and certainly not going to the Raiders. They're not They got to chase their broncos and charges and even the Chiefs aren't going to stay down very long.

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Speaker 2: All right, It's a long haul.

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Speaker 5: To me to take over the Raiders round.

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Speaker 6: I don't care how great a coach you are on Colum.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know what owner GM combo in the world is gonna sign up for. Let's hire this head coach that we don't know if he can coach at this level, and even better, let's have him bring his current quarterback up to this level too, because we don't know if he could play at this level either. Let's just put them both together and give it three years, see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but look at all the dumb things the Raiders have done before in the last twenty five years. It's fair, but that might be the dumbest.

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Speaker 7: Hmmm, a lot of stupid game years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the worst thing the Raiders did in the last ten to fifteen years is.

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Speaker 2: Who was the coach that they had just fired? Somebody?

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Speaker 3: They had an interim head coach that everybody loved, Rich Yes, yeah, right, give him the job, the job, damn it.

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Speaker 2: Well they did that before, you know, somebody. This is always the danger of an interim head coach when you go on a run and then all of a sudden we go yeah, mean you got to give him the job. I mean, come on, Antonio Pierce, you got to give him the job. And then all of a sudden, you give him the job. Nel, why do we give him the job? Drod Mayo, Man, you got to give him the job. He's been waiting. Uh not good? Yeah, pulling well with the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: Rich Pisacia not getting the job in twenty twenty one was so criticized that they gave Antonio Pierce the job two years later as a compensation for not doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Dylan in Orlando, Hi Dylan, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Dan?

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Speaker 8: Are you doing lay to son to talk about the foam connection?

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Speaker 2: Is not very good there, Dylan, Try again, Michael and Fort Wayne. Hi, Mike, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Dan?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 9: Hey, listen, the Winter Olympics are coming up real soon, and I think we all want to know, as a former Olympian, who do you like to stay from the Golden cross country scheme this year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm apparently a former baseball player now an Olympian. Thank you, Michael. Yeah, I got to check my Wikipedia page because it might be a little bit more full than it needs to be. Chris and Syracuse, Hi Chris, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Thanks?

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Speaker 5: Dan?

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Speaker 9: Hey, I have a couple of items to throw at you. And this day in sports history. You know, in the last two years teams will buy in college football playoffs are one and seven. It seems like having to buy in the three plus week later that comes with it isn't really an advantage. And I can't wait till they go with a sixteen team playoff, There'll be no reason to have buys. Just go straight to a nice four round playoff. And as Polly said, gosh, it was probably fifteen sixteen years ago college football would own the month of December. And Andy Reid says he'll be back next year, but Mahomes is out to start the year. You're not in a good salary cap position. And a couple assistants said left in fact once related to the Michigan head coach, and he's head Ann Arbor and Ellie and Denver a on the rise and the Biggie Casey's facing pretty much a rebuild. And at this stage Andy Reid's career, why would he want to sign up for a rebuild? I mean, he's won super Bowls and yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Andy Reid is not coaching next ball. And this day in sports history, thirty two years ago, Nancy Kerrigan was clubbed on her knees, which led directly to you Dan being falsely accused of making a skeptical of Time's career.

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Speaker 2: I know I did, thank you, Thank you, Chris. What a wild story that was, Nancy Kerrigan, Tanya Harding my girl, and then we had her on and yeah. You know, sometimes I can give myself credit for having a good idea, and then other times where I'm doing an interview and I go, but it's a bad idea. While I'm doing the interview, I know it's a bad idea, but it did live on. It lives on and show infamy of Tanya Harding, and God love her. I hope she's happy doing a triple Shaukal or whatever they do and figure skating right now.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that was the nineteen ninety four Winter Olympics. You talk about a story that crossed over everyone worldwide.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, then they have I mean the fact that they had a movie it Tanya like Margo Robbie, it's a big time actress, and she pulled it off too. But you know, I'm thinking, all right, a movie about Tanya Harding, and then all of a sudden I'm watching had helped that Margot Robbie was Tanya Harding. Yeah, Margot Robbie could hit me in the shin with a club, any fine. Aspired to that Tea Bucks in Texas, Hey, Tea Bucks.

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Speaker 8: Hey, how are you dp good? I got a quick like fuck Mike t brought it up and the whole thing with Andrew Berry still being there as the dam of the Browns. First off, I have no idea how he kept it. But if there's a coach out there, say like at Clint Kubiak or someone that's hot, why wouldn't they bring them in and get rid of Andrew Berry if that's what they want A lah Liam Cohen. And then one other quick thing about Kevin Savanski being a great coach or a good coach. I've never seen a coach two weeks in a row towards the end of the season only challenge a play in the first minute of the game, but lose both of them.

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Speaker 2: He's going to get a job. I mean, you can say what you want about Stefanski. He's held in high regard. He is. And the fact that the guy you don't want is going to interview probably with three of these teams, it says a lot about maybe the organization and about Kevin Stefanski. Now, did he do a good job with shad Or Sanders and Dylan Gabriel If you're saying, hey, he's supposed to be developing these quarterbacks, No, he didn't. But neither should have been playing this year, and they'll be. There'll be a story that comes out eventually about this whole quarterbacking situation, how they got to this point because they had too many quarterbacks and then all of a sudden, you have two quarterbacks, and then do you really have one quarterback? Here is the Browns general manager Andrew Barry. Coming into the season.

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Speaker 10: We were realistic that, you know, we were a team and a roster in transition, and ultimately this decision is born from the fact that we've ultimately felt like we did not see enough progress in areas that were controllable independent of certain game outcomes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you also put a fifth round draft pick in there. If I take the name away from should or Sanders, he's you know, Jim Smith. People aren't infatuating with the Browns. People aren't overrating the Browns. People aren't looking at Kevin Stefanski and saying you're the problem here. It was a fifth round draft pick who had some success, uh, but wasn't refined to be starting in the NFL. There's a reason why he dropped. Now you can have revisionist history and people say I'm a second round draft pick. You know, second round, third round at word, Okay, he still dropped. I think there's more to the story of drafting him and putting him in that position. Now, am I glad that he got a chance to give us a sample size? Yes, but he was really non threatening. He had a couple of moments. But he should have a couple of moments. I mean, he's the starting quarterback at Colorado and Jackson State and played really well. But the NFL is just different. That's when you go to the line of scrimmage, what do I got?

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Speaker 10: Like that?

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Speaker 2: It feels like that's the position. Now go to the line of scrimmage and you go, all right, what do we got? I got two plays? What am I gonna call? Can you do that? And it's it's something that has to be learned. That's why when you talk to quarterbacks and they'll say, you know, my second third year started to the game slowed down. Well, it slowed down because you knew what you were doing. You slowed it down in your mind instead of oh my god, wait is that guy coming off to what's my coverage? Wait? Are they under two? That you can't have that kind of frenetic feel when you go to the line of scrimmage, and Dylan Gabriel was non threatening as well, wonderful college quarterback. But you got to be able to throw. You got to throw in the flats. Can you throw out? You know, to the the numbers. Can you process all of this? And that's why it was unfair to really expect that much. And maybe they bring in another quarterback. Maybe, you know, Shador and Dylan get a chance to be backup quarterbacks. You know, maybe they'll be starting quarterbacks. Kobe Brissett's been bouncing around for a long time. Tyler Huntley, you can have a job. I just don't know if I would be pinning all my hopes if I'm the Browns on Shador Sanders. Yeah, Paul, you could make the case.

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Speaker 4: At the Browns, they had the twelfth ranked defense in the league and the best defensive player this year. The offense was ranked thirty first. If they would have been aggressive and had gone after some like Sam Darnold or Daniel Jones and I had a B level quarterback, they won five games with basically no quarterback play. They could have won nine. But they can't do that at quarterback because all their money is tied up in a healthy scratch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and you know he got Andrew Berry talking about you know, the team. Now they should have traded Miles Garrett. I mean, he's great, but he doesn't play in playoff games. That's why when people say, oh, greatest defensive player of all time, Reggie White, Lawrence Taylor, they played in big games, they played in Super Bowls. That's what I wish we would get with Miles Garrett, where he get to play on him. He should be playing this weekend. That's the unfortunate part of this. Michael Strahan played in big games. T J. Watt playing in big games, Aaron Donald in big games. You can have maybe one of the greatest defensive players of all time and he's not going to play in really many meaningful games. It's like having Mike Trout and you're only playing in a couple of playoff games.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Marvin, Unfortunately, he's gonna be the defensive version of Joe Thomas first First Ball Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no playoff success. We'll take a break. Kyle Winningham, the Michigan head coach, will join us next here on The Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: Check us out on YouTube and subscribe. He's the new head coach at Michigan, Kyle Winningham, former Utah head coach Tuton pac twelve Coach of the Year and went ten and two at Utah this year and then was going to go into an advisory role and be paid to stay on at Utah at least that was the report. And then all of a sudden Michigan, that job opened up and Kyle Whittingham was there to take the phone call. We spoke to him yesterday and I started off by asking him, is he having a midlife crisis?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well good question. But you know, I had a really good run at Utah. It was a great experience. Thirty two years in all, twenty one years as the head coach. I figured I'd done pretty much all I could do there, and I'm still not that old, sixty six. I guess that's, you know, not that old. But I thought when I stepped down, first of all, I didn't want to be that guy that over state is welcome, you know, I don't, you know, I've seen that happen too many times where guys stayed too long get run out of town. So didn't want to be that guy. But just felt like, Okay, there's been a good run. Let's leave on a positive note. And when I did step down, I had an inclination in my mind that if there was about you know, you count on one hand the amount of schools that if they would have called, I would have been receptive. And just so happens. About two or three days later, I had some contact with Michigan and they were on that list, and one thing led to another about a weaker. Ten days later it was a done deal.

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Speaker 2: You contact them or they contact you.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's my agent, and I'm not sure how the initial thing went. Of course, there's a search committee guy, the head of the search committee. I don't know who was contacted who first, but that's how that's how it went.

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Speaker 2: What kind of questions do you have going into a situation. We all know how great the job is, but man feels like there's a little bit of a mess to clean up, you know, for the next year or so.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's the place doesn't need a rebuild, it needs a reboot of trust and get rid of the drama and and just get back to playing Michigan football without all the distractions. You know. The one thing is it didn't come from the players. You know, the players were not involved. It wasn't some player you know issue it was. It was, you know, just the peripheral. And so guys here have a great attitude. I met with every single one of them at the bull site last week. Just quality young men, care about academics, excited to be at Michigan. But they've dealt with a lot over the last years, and so that's where they're at.

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Speaker 2: What did you need to hear.

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Speaker 6: I needed to hear that they were having a good experience here exclusive of the of the distractions.

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Speaker 2: The athletic director and the you know, the the higher ups. What did you need to hear from them?

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Speaker 6: Well, I need to hear that Michigan was what I thought it was, you know, a top five program, which I don't think there's any doubt about that. It's a special place. They're committed to winning here. You know, we do have some challenges with entrance requirements. There is there is a little bit of a hurdle there. But you know, you talk about athletes, resources, tradition, it's all here at Michigan.

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Speaker 2: You haven't been out of Utah or Idaho.

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Speaker 6: I don't think you're right, right, how as a coach, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you need to learn about, you know, being in Michigan, in the Big ten, in hating Ohio state. Now you've got to deal with Indiana.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, well we would transfer our moving leagues. Is no, no, nothing new to me or where I was at. And you went from the WHAC to the Mountain West, to the Pac twelve to the Big twelve and I was there through it all, and so I know exactly how to how to you know, navigate that. You know, we've had a pretty good track record against Big ten schools while I was at Utah. In fact, against Michigan. We're three and oh, so that didn't hurt my cause during the during the process, the hiring process. But but uh, football is football then, and and it's ex's and o's. They don't change. Certainly, the you know, the level of competition is increased, but it's relative. I mean, we're good players here, so so it's uh, I think it's a good situation.

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Speaker 2: JU hate Ohio State.

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Speaker 6: Don't I have to? Yeah, I think I have to. But but uh.

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Speaker 2: Seminar that there, and I know Urban Urban was helping you. Uh wasn't.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely. I've been close with Urban ever since. We worked together, uh back in uh O two and O three, and I was his defensive coordinator. I was on the staff staff got let go, Urban got the job. I was the only holdover and uh Riddy developed a great relationship with him and have maintained it ever since. And yeah, he absolutely helped me. Uh along the way.

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Speaker 2: Here Kyle Whittingham, Michigan head football coach, joining us. I'm trying to figure out this transfer portal, so am I. But I'm also trying to figure out the collective and nil dollar. I mean, somebody just told me over the weekend that some of these programs are getting to forty million dollar budgets, forty million plus. Absolutely, I mean it doesn't feel sustainable, Kyle, It's not.

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Speaker 6: It's not sustainable. There's no question about that. Something has got to give. And I think it's you know, within a two to two to four five year window here, you're going to see a major overhaul Division one football. I think it's going to become more of a minor league NFL model. I think you're going to see a solar cap, collective bargaining, uh, players as employees. I think all that's coming because you're exactly right, we can't maintain this pace. It's impossible.

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Speaker 2: Can we have a commissioner?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I would love one. I think that's I think that's in the cards as well.

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Speaker 2: But is everybody going to listen? Is the SEC going to listen or the big ten?

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Speaker 6: I mean they have to, they have to. And I think if we get you know, ultimately aligned with the super conferences and uh, you know, get things commission you know, have a commissioner that runs it all and put some teeth into it, I think that's the only way to survive. And so and you're already seeing private equity starting to end the Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Where are we going with the playoffs? It's probably going to sixteen next year, but where are we going?

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Speaker 6: Well to sixteen? First of all, and I kind of agree with coach Dan Landing at the Oregon it would be nice to have the season wrapped up by January first, especially the way the portal window is right now. I mean, it's chaos, and so I think there needs to be revamping, not only if of the system itself, but at least immediately the calendar. The calendar needs to be tweaked.

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Speaker 2: What kind of money are we talking about? What's a top end quarterback costing now? In the portal?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 6: I heard today that one university in the state of Texas is paying five million dollars for a starting quarterback for this year, and so I think that might be the the That's the most I've heard of, and I you know, basketball players, some basketball player are making more than that from what you hear. But the starting quarterback now apparently the price is five million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Is Bryce Underwood staying?

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Speaker 6: We hope?

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Speaker 10: So?

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Speaker 6: I think he's had he's got a got a good vibe. Uh, you don't know, Well, you don't know anything yet. I mean, shoot, it's a it's the wild wild West here, Dan. And so we think we think we're in a good place with Bryce. He's a terrific young man. I've sat down with him and and uh he is the really the heart and soul of this football team. And uh, I think we're making good progress towards that end.

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Speaker 2: We're curious if we could have your old Utah gear.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can have a shift out to you. It's all xcel. You got one size to choose from.

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Speaker 2: But uh, boy, that's that's a big color change for you.

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Speaker 6: It is it is, You're right, Yeah, red to blue and blue was our was our rival. You know, it was a Utah for years and so now I got to get used to saying go blue.

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Speaker 2: But I tell them, okay, but did you hate b Yu as much as you're gonna hate?

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Speaker 6: Okay, hate a strong word. But how about an intense, very intense rivalry? And uh it was very uh in the state of Utah. I mean it's the biggest single sporting event.

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Speaker 2: That was an unbelievable rivalry though very underrated. But but you know, having two daughters who lived in Salt Lake and it's like you did. Yeah. No, they both they both left, they both came back home. Yeah, they loved it, they loved Salt Lake. But they said, uh that that rivalry, you don't understand it until you go to it, exactly.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 2: So because I grew up Ohio State Michigan, right, and I always think that there's no better rivalry. But there there are ones. When you go to them, you understand the importance. It's just not national magnitude like Ohio State and Michigan are.

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Speaker 6: Doesn't have the national bandwidth that uh, that we have in this rivalry. But it is every bit is intense and every bit as uh. You know that the animosity in the in the state and you're either red or blue in that state, and it's pretty well split. I mean, it's almost an even division there.

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Speaker 2: Could you take Ryan Day when you were younger, when I was younger, or could you take him now so he's forty six? Yeah? Could you take Ryan Day right now in the octagon.

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Speaker 6: In an acting on Well, there's one way to find out.

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Speaker 8: I guess.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I like Ryan I got a lot of respect for him. We played him in the in the Rose Bowl, a couple of years back. Well, I guess it's been him three or four years now, so excellent football coach.

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Speaker 2: I don't have to say nice things anymore, man, it's best that you don't.

00:28:37
Speaker 6: Okay, I know, I'll probably put my foot in my mouth right there.

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Speaker 2: Uh, congrats, good luck, Appreciate.

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Speaker 6: You, us appreciate you, dun thank you.

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Speaker 2: We taped that yesterday. Five hours later, Bryce Underwood tweeted that he was staying at Michigan. But you could hear it in his voice when he said is your quarterback going to be staying? He's like, uh, hope. So he didn't know. Yeah, do you think he didn't know? Well, if he knew, then why wouldn't he say.

00:29:04
Speaker 3: Well, I mean maybe he wanted the player to announce it. I mean that's kind of the way things work now, you know. The player announces they're leaving, the player announces they're staying. I wonder if he really had no idea.

00:29:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paulie, I would.

00:29:18
Speaker 4: Speculate that these days there was probably a renegotiation of his contract at Michigan and it was not signed yet, and that when we spoke to him, it was there was not ink on the page yet.

00:29:28
Speaker 2: I believe that. Yeah, yeah, because it feels like everybody who's in the transfer portal, or the potential for every player to be in the transfer portal, because you know, you want to you want to at least find out what the market is for you, or have somebody find that out for you. And you know, as Kyle was saying, Cincinnati's quarterback is getting five million dollars to go to Texas Tech. Now that's that's changed as far as the price, because as I told told you, I think before the holiday break, I was told that the going rate for a quarterback transferring was three to four million dollars. And now all of a sudden, you get Cincinnati's quarterback. I don't know his name. Let me see, have you seen his name? I should have that, but I know that he was obviously a very good quarterback and he's going to Texas Tech and getting five million dollars. So yes, Marvin Brandon Soresby, Okay, all right, yeah, five million dollars. And you know, as I told you that source said there was a high school tight end and there were two major college programs that were paying him and he was still in high school. But it's basically, hey, we're going to give you the money. We're giving you the money before you even you know, get to college. We're going to give you the money in high school. And he a decorated player and he was getting paid while I mean that's where they're starting. I mean the same thing. Look at the shoe industry, it's we're not waiting for you to get to the NBA. We're not waiting for you to get to college. We're not waiting for you to get to high school. We're going aau. We're going as early as possible to get you in our shoes, to get you in the program, get your free gear. This is the same thing. It's like you're grooming to get them to go to your school. What's it going to take and when do you start? This is what's going on right now. They and even as coach said, this isn't sustainable that you have programs who are going to be spending forty to fifty million dollars a year. Now some can, but you know you're and you can't say, well, Congress, you guys fix this because we can't. And really that's almost the mindset. It feels like, hey, nothing, what can do? Maybe Congress can help us. I think Congress has other things they're probably working on, but you know we can check the docket. Yes, Marvin, are.

00:32:04
Speaker 7: You're gonna see a lot more mid season changes like you did this season because they're paying all this money. They're like, we're not seeing results, so you gotta go.

00:32:13
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean we see this in the NFL, where you get you get two years. It feels like two years is a coach, two years is a quarterback. Before we you know, rubber stamp you as your franchise quarterback or you're our coach, or you're a bust or you should be just a coordinator not a head coach. I mean that's it's getting quicker and quicker because the money is getting bigger and bigger, and you want to know right away that is that our guy? If not, we got to move on.

00:32:42
Speaker 8: Yeah.

00:32:43
Speaker 6: So, I I.

00:32:45
Speaker 3: Know that the money in college football and how much players are being paid as a controversial issue, but like, take someone like Brandon Swordsby you're just talking about he is going to make more money than shirdor Sanders is going to make. I kind of like the idea that the money that these kids are gonna make keeps them in college football longer, so they actually develop more. And that then maybe the players that are supposed to make it to the NFL do go to the NFL, and the ones that aren't still have a good chunk of change, but they probably aren't gonna eventually get there. The developed ones will be more apparent.

00:33:24
Speaker 2: Well, but you have to stay three years in college football, so you have a built in system that protects college football from the standpoint of these names may bounce around, but they stay. College basketball doesn't have that, so you don't have any familiarity with college basketball, at least with football. You go, oh, that guy used to be and you're right. You might stay for your senior year is instead of coming out after your junior year in college football, but you're already locked in for three years. Where college basketball, I'm one and done. I mean, all of these guys we looked at and we go, that guy's one and done. All the marquee players one and done. Even the money that you could make and Cooper Flagg reportedly was making around two point six million dollars at Duke. He was the highest paid player two point six Now what would he be worth if he came back? What five million dollars, maybe more than that. He wants to get into that second contract in the NBA when he's gonna get sixty or seventy million dollars a year.

00:34:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe even still just staying for that extra year of development. There's not the I get the rush to the second contract. I definitely get that. However, there is something I think there's something to be said about another year of development rather than being pushed too early. You know, I they if you're leaving college football with a couple million dollars in your pocket, there really isn't that same rush to get there.

00:34:46
Speaker 2: It's like Ty Simpson and Alabama. You know, greg Or was some of the who is it? McCarran said, Hey, I would tell him to stay and you know, you need another year. He might be in the transfer portal. He got hurt in that game against Indiana, maybe a cracked rib, but it looked like he might have been getting benched as well. And is he going to transfer? Does he does he want to go into the NFL? And I think mccaren said he would probably be a fifth or sixth round quarterback, but that he should stay. And not everybody has guidance though now we think that, Oh man, you know somebody, there's a lot of people with a lot of agendas, who hey, I'd go pro because people helping you with that decision might be getting money from you with that decision. Yeah, palling.

00:35:35
Speaker 4: Another great example is Carson Beck, who's a hot property a year and a half ago. Then he really cooled off as a draft prospect, you know, and parlayed a big payday from Miami.

00:35:44
Speaker 2: Well, Quinn ewers as well. I mean, it's it's working out for Quinn, but Texas didn't want him to stay another year. I think he wanted to stay another year. Like, no, I think we're good.

00:35:57
Speaker 8: Arch.

00:35:57
Speaker 2: It's it's Arch's term. All right, more phone calls coming up. We'll take a break. We're back after this.

00:36:02
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to listen live. Texas Tech has added again there spending money. Uh you know, they signed multiple players in the portal for over seven million dollars in twenty twenty five. Now they just spend five million dollars on their quarterback. Reportedly, he is Brendan Soorsby who was at Cincinnati, got these guys who are making more money than starting quarterbacks in the NFL and making more, well, not making more than cam Ward. Is he making more than Tyler Shuck with the New Orleans Saints? Probably? So, you know, Tyler Shuck had a pretty good year.

00:36:48
Speaker 2: Nobody noticed, but he had a pretty good year for the Saints, made them competitive, had some pretty good numbers there, and uh, you know, they kind of threw him in and he survived. So and I think a lot of people thought he might be the most quarterback ready because of his age and experienced number of games when he played in college. Jackson dard I thought was a first round draft pick and proved to be at the end of the first round. But Tyler Shuck was probably ready to go, maybe sooner than any of the other quarterbacks. All right, Oh, Paulie wants to play the guess that firing game? Oh okay, Now we usually.

00:37:29
Speaker 4: Play this on a Monday after the football season. A rare Guess that firing on a Tuesday.

00:37:34
Speaker 2: That's messed up? Then, why come on, what are you doing that on Tuesday?

00:37:39
Speaker 10: For?

00:37:40
Speaker 3: This is what we spent like the whole first home you can. This is supposed to be I think I made a Tuesday. Yes, not Wow, sucks to be you Tuesday.

00:37:47
Speaker 4: Okay, see, and you're right on because the hint is in your complaint. What would a which team would maybe do it on a Tuesday so they could garner more attention than other teams?

00:37:58
Speaker 8: Wait?

00:37:58
Speaker 2: You want to stand out for this team?

00:38:00
Speaker 8: Does?

00:38:00
Speaker 2: Being Cowboys?

00:38:02
Speaker 4: The Dallas Cowboys of fire defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus. They are now answer their fourth defensive coordinator.

00:38:07
Speaker 2: In four season.

00:38:08
Speaker 4: Okay, the Cowboys could have easily done this yesterday.

00:38:11
Speaker 2: They teased it last week. Well, who are they bringing in? Like anybody but Matt Abra No, but I saw where they were bringing in somebody. It's already been a name attached to this. Yes, Todd, do you do that?

00:38:25
Speaker 6: Do you fire the head coaches Monday than the coordinators?

00:38:27
Speaker 5: They are more of a midweek Tuesday Wednesday?

00:38:29
Speaker 2: Yeah they're not They're not Monday worthy. Yeah, you got to wait a couple day. Yeah Tuesday. Ashton in Vegas, Hey, Ashton, what's on your mind today?

00:38:41
Speaker 6: Yeah?

00:38:42
Speaker 11: Just first time, long time, thanks for taking my call. Uh, curious to see if you guys have heard anything, but come across my social media a couple of times where Geno Smith is reportedly surprised and frustrated that they let Pete Carroll go, and it's like, well, if you wanted him to, they maybe throw to your own team.

00:39:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you have? Seventeen interceptions? I think this year. I guess there's a little bit of surprise with that. I mean the surprise was they hired him at his age with that team, and it's and it's it was going to take a few years. I don't I now, I had higher expectations for them, but they were lofty expectations because I was thinking, you know what, they got a running back, quarterback, tight end, and they got a you know, impact edge rusher. Okay, challenging division, yes, but maybe you can win eight or nine games, yes, Pauling.

00:39:38
Speaker 4: Going back to the signing of Geno Smith by the Raiders, a lot of people liked it at the time. It was a friendly contract. Financially, he just went ten and seven as the Seattle quarterback with twenty one touchdowns.

00:39:47
Speaker 2: It was considered a nice move.

00:39:49
Speaker 8: Yeah.

00:39:49
Speaker 2: I didn't have a problem with you know Smith because it looked like he had, you know, kind of had that renaissance that we see with a lot of these quarterbacks. Yes, how many of those were rcis Yeah, Well, I don't know.

00:40:00
Speaker 3: This is a classic instance of why we need that stat receiver calls to interception or every weekend. Yeah, and they go on your docket.

00:40:08
Speaker 2: Well not every weekend with the Jets, no weekends. They didn't have one where the receiver went the wrong way and the quarterback threw and somebody got an interception. Unbelievable. Yes, Mark.

00:40:24
Speaker 7: The sad part is Sauce Gardener probably wouldn't help that either, because he was an intercepting ball like that either.

00:40:29
Speaker 2: No, man, you forget about that move that the Colts made and you're thinking, man, they're all in and then all of a sudden they're all out.

00:40:40
Speaker 7: Yes, Marv Jonathan Taylor was an MVP candidate.

00:40:43
Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, because I was making him an MVP candidate. But you know I did preface that by saying they won't give it to a running back. But at the time, through what eight games, he was a big deal. But you wonder about that. They got to get a quarterback, Danny Dimes. I'm not gonna be ready to start the season, Anthony richardson his future, Riley Leonard Maybe one hour left to Go, Reggie Aloisius Miller Junior The Third More of Your Phone Calls as well Dan and The Dan Edge Dan Patrick Show