Late-Round Perspectives: Derek Brown

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Speaker 1: Derek Brown is a senior fantasy football analyst at Fantasy Pros and a former FSWA DFS Writer of the Year finalists. He's a Texan, a dad, he's got an epic beard, and he's definitely not afraid to make bold claims based on his research. These are his Late Round perspectives. This episode is sponsored by Underdog Fantasy. I know a lot of you already play over there, but if you don't, you've got to check it out. They've got plenty of different fantasy focused games for you to try, including one of my favorites, best Ball. Bestball drafts are simple. You draft a team, which you can do in minutes, and that's it. There's no waiver wire, no trading, no team maintenance. Your lineup is set for you automatically each week based on player performance. Now, I've already started creating Bestball content for the summer, and there's more coming. Why not put that content to good use. Sign up over at Underdog Fantasy now by heading to Underdog Fantasy dot com or downloading the app. When you sign up, use promo code late Round for first time to posit offer up to two hundred and fifty dollars in bonus cash. That's promo code Late Round. Now back to the show. So I think the last time I saw you was when you were in my dadmobile over the summer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember. We had a bunch of people at the expo. People were trying not to vomit on the way to another bar to have fun. And hopefully your wife doesn't listen to this podcast, because it was an eventful night. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was, and for the record, everyone, I was the one driving. I was not drinking, and uh you were not to vomit either. So yeah, others others in the in the vehicle with me. I was trying to, you know, just be their their transportation from one spot to the next. But here, I mean, like this is the scene though, is that we had driven to Pittsburgh, so that the exposing Canton. We had driven to Pittsburgh because that weekend, my sister in law was getting married the following weekend. So we're like, let's just extend this trip. We'll make it, you know, ten days or whatever. Coming from Charlotte, where I live, we drive up to Pittsburgh. I dropped my family off there and then I go to Canton for the weekend because it's short drive from Pittsburgh to Canton. And so I have this vehicle, this SUV that we had driven up from here in Charlotte, that had two kids in it. One my son was only like eight months old at the time, my daughter being being five. And everyone literally like everyone piles in to get in this car, and everyone's giving me crap for how messy it was and how there are car seats in it. I'm like, guys, I didn't drive to Canton to d d you guys around. I drove to Canton because I went to this conference. I just so happened to be not drinking right now. I can take you to the bar. My goodness, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was so legendary because I remember, and I will admit I was not sober that night. So but I was not I was not the one. I want that on record. I was not the one possibly hurling around about the hurl in your car. But the best part of that entire car ride, outside of the other banter, was basically the end. The beginning and the end of it was if you vomit in this car, I swear to God I won't to even kill you. I think my wife might that was that was stick. I forget which because dude, we had it packed. We had the van was packed. I forget who was giving you so much crap.

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Speaker 1: I think it was I think it's Dagel. I think it was either.

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Speaker 2: Dagel or it was rich one of them. I know it was Harmon. One of them was giving you a ton of crap about the reality of how a car looks when you have kids. It's just it's real.

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Speaker 1: There's crumbs everywhere, there's toys on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that should have found halfy goldfish bags in the back like that. Well, it's not stale. It's good, right.

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Speaker 1: It was a It was a seven hour drive from Charlotte to Pittsburgh, Like, give me a break, guys. And then I come on, man, And then I had I had to put in yacht rock to to calm the nerves a little bit and calm people down in the back seat. My goodness. But I do think that was the last time that we I mean, obviously we've chatted plenty, just about like the draft class and such, but I haven't I haven't seen you in the flesh since since. So it's good to see it.

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Speaker 2: Man. Oh, it's good to catch up, buddy. And yeah, you know, you know the craziness when you're trying to balance all the life stuff and all the kids stuff between the content stuff. So we were having a night. Then I've been having a day trying to get ready for the show. It's been one thing after another, dude. But no, it's great to catch up, buddy. I know you've been deep in the Prospect weeds, just like me with the Prospect Guy, which you hammer every single year as somebody who tries to combine the analytics and the film for all these guys. And hell, I was writing up Udfa's freaking last week and stuff. I always looked at your guide as also kind of I don't want to say, like the measuring stick or the divine or rod, but it's kind of like if I'm I like too and vibe other intelligent opinions from around the community and stuff, and kind of see, Okay, I'm kind of low on this guy, but let me see because you come at it from a different perspective than I do as well, like what is your process in your model saying versus how how my process stacks up too? So I think when we align or when we differ on guys, like we talked running backs last year, it always creates good conversation and I always walk away from it with being like, all right, let me go back to the film or this on this or with this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you guys just did a UDFA episode, didn't you.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, four and I were Actually we went so in depth on the UDFA classes and we went through every single team that they had to cut the episode into two episodes, So it is legit two and a half hours of podcast on all thirty two UDFA teams, and we are going down some very deep Dynasty rabbit holes like Tanner, Mordecai and some other guys in this class where I'm like, well, I'm not drafting them, but you sure as he'll believe I'm gonna stash them. Want a Texas squad or two?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's some That's some DJN stuff right there. Man, going going into the going doing doing an episode on UDFs, because like my my approach is always that I'm just looking at guys who went to the combine for the write ups and stuff like that, and then obviously you're gonna get you know, probably ten or so running backs, ten to fifteen running backs, maybe ten to fifteen wide receivers who don't get drafted. And that's really like my subset of because I just I want some sort of contained sample to work off of, right, otherwise I'm gonna drive myself nuts and trying to like add these guys to the database and like find data from these small schools where you're you're trying to you're trying to people don't realize that the grind of the small school data and and and find it day don't.

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Speaker 2: They really don't know like some of these guys, Like when I was researching for that that episode with four, I'm trying to find data on Chris Collier, who people that don't know who Chris Collier is is a running back on the Baltimore Ravens squad who got signed put up big numbers that And it's like when you go to even that small schools, like even places like PFF and places where we get college data from, they don't even have film for it. So you're like, Okay, well let me see what I can find.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so much of the stuff that I that I have in there for some of these like small school guys, it's literal data entry on my end like that, like in in February, I'm putting in I'm looking at that stupid format. Someone could make millions of dollars by just normalizing the format of these smaller schools. I know that I'm speaking to like one hundred people here that are listening that can actually like like commiserate. But the way that these smaller schools have it listed, it's just like it's it's like a PDF essentially that just has like like like past attempts and pass completions and touchdowns and interceptions all in one line, and it just is not formatted or it's not clean at all. So a lot of it really is data entry at the end of the day. And that's honestly the most obnoxious and worst part of doing all this stuff by data. And obviously the UDFA is like you said, you're talking about someone who went to Lockhaven in these schools that no one's ever heard of.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Those are those are players that I would have to then do more data entry for. Uh, And I'm just not gonna be doing that, you know, Aside from the guys that went to the Combine, the Combine guys are enough. You get eighty profiles in there, prospect, it's enough.

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Speaker 2: And you get you get deep with those guys too, Like you'll even get like the jailen Cokers of Holy Cross and some other guys that come up, so you get deep. But you know, so you get the small school guys. And again, like we always have to like put the context around, like any of those udfas, even if they hit, they're gonna automatically be an outlier. So it's like how much you're gonna bettle on that, Like we're talking about legit, Like do I even add this player to a Dynasty Taxi squad because you might get cut in camp. So again, given context.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Well let's talk about landing spots a little bit, because you know, you're looking at these udfas seeing what kind of impact they might be able to make. But I'm curious with your process. You know, we we go through this talent evaluation for months and months and months, and then it's sort of like how we go through us analyzing redraft leagues and where to draft guys et cetera, et cetera, and who to draft for months and months and months, and then we don't pay enough attention necessarily about like how to manage your roster and what to do in season and stuff like that. Kind of feel a similar way with talent evaluation. We're going through this process of saying, this guy's good, this is what he can do well, this is the kind of role he can play in the NFL, and then they find their teams and then we kind of have our rookie drafts and we move on. How important is the landing spot element to your post draft evaluation of these players? How much does it change the way that you view these guys?

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Speaker 2: I think, and every guy falls in their own bucket. I think if you look this from an Eagle Live view, just a top down approach, I don't weigh it as much for the top, top end guys, like the guys that get the first and second round draft capital. We know that type of draft capital is going to allow them opportunity and you know, again like early opportunity and continued opportunity and chances for them to to succeed and fail. And I think that if and especially if you're looking at just cherry picking names out of this class, like Roma Dune's a Ricky Piersoll, the top end names of like, oh, or we worry that much about landing spot. We see so fast that even in season, whether it's injuries or trades or what have you, or players cut the next falling season. If we're looking at this from a dynasty angle and we're really playing this in that true two to three year window, things change so fast. Man. So it's like, I don't want to say that I fade landing spot. But for the top end guys with high draft capital, first second round draft capital, maybe running backs or even talking about a little bit of the third, but not as much. I think for the top end guys, I don't look at the landing spot as much because I'm like, if we really believe that, okay, for wide receivers tied in stuff like that, athleticism matters, targets are earned, you know, talent plays up a cream rise to the top. Well, these guys are going to cut their own path, and that's how it'll go for the top end guys that get draft capital. Now some of the lower end guys like going to the you know third, you know, whether it's running backs in the third or Day three guys, Do I look at the landing spots more for them. Yes, I mean I'll weigh some of that. Like some of the guys just talk about process here, like if we're talking about, you know, the clear runways for Jermaine Burton and Eric all in Cincinnati, some of these other guys in this class, or you go even further down Camanie Videll, like what do we think about his runway in that backfield? Then I start looking at landing spot being a little bit more specific the lower we go with draft capitol, because those guys have to OutKick their draft capital. They have to prove the teams that, look, you were wrong by not taking me in the second or third round. I have to get on the field and I have to show that to you. And then even if I show that to you in their rookie season, then I got to hope that the coaching staff doesn't change. And when I showed him a rookie season was enough for if the coaching staff stays the same, for me to get the same opportunity next year and defy next year's NFL draft, or if I get a new head coach or something that again, I proved enough in that spot that I can also be your guy going into the next season. So in a long just to wrap a boat around this, the high end of the draft capitol, round one, round two, I faded more. But when we get further down the board in the draft, and when we talked about play the round four, round three kind of draft capital game, I pay more attention to it with those guys because they need it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that makes a ton of sense. I think that this is similar to sort of what a lot of fantasy football is, which is kind of just looking at the edges and looking at the outliers and the extremes.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Because I agree with you, I think that it's a lot easier to look at day three guys and say, okay, Kamani Videl, you know, or look at like, I really liked Isaiah Davis pre draft rightep same Isaiah Davis goes to the Jets. I'm not a moron after them taking Braylen Allen, who they seem to probably like a little bit more just based on the talent and based on where they drafted him. Right, Because day three picks, they're gonna just get their guys, and so they're not gonna play like the market game necessarily, and so you know, they go out, they get Braylen Allen and then they get Isaiah Davis. Would I be shocked that Isaiah Davis is better than Braylen Allen. No, But at the same time, we now know that he's buried behind Breese Hall and possibly Braylan Allen as well. There's no reason if I liked Isaiah Davis more than Kamani videl Or in the same ballpark as by now pre draft, there's no reason for me to like him the same way post draft, because Fidell went to a team that obviously is gonna run the ball a lot, and his biggest competition is a guy coming off a major major injury along with a twenty nine year old bruiser who doesn't catch passes, right, So you know, it's easy to look at it from that perspective. And then I also think though, from like the early round guys, every once in a while, maybe once maybe twice a draft, you're gonna just see this like massive either fit that doesn't look good or perfect fit, where like last year Devon a chan Right goes to Miami. I mean, obviously that is like the quintessential perfect fit. For a guy like that this year, I don't know, maybe like a you know, brock Bowers, you could be a little bit scared of the fit and all of that. I understand that it's, you know, talent wise, it's obviously there, but they're they're you know, you'll get like one or two of those, but generally speaking, you know, the fits are are going to be fine enough because we know that the talent is there. The thing I do want to say though about landing Spot is that, like I always try to not that we're NFL players, because we're not. I mean, you and I are both very much dads.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, you know they've got the extra twenty pounds to prove it.

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Speaker 1: Trusting, yes, sure, But but I do try to put myself in the shoes of just a player and what an environment might be like. And I think you know, anyone listening to this, you and I, we've all had multiple jobs in our lives, right, We've gone to different workplaces, and we've thrive and done better or worse in different workplaces based on what that environment was like. Right, And so a player going to a team might find a team environment that they really can thrive in, and they can hit that flow state more often and they can find that fit. I don't think Pokinakua is pokin Aakua without falling to the rams. Do I think that he's very very good, And I'm speaking to one of the original the og truthers of pukuin Akua here. Do I think that he's good? Yeah, I mean, he had a lot of good markings last year from a from the analytical standpoint to be a great prospect. But I do think that it was a lot easier for someone like me who was like into Nakua, but not to this degree of like he's gonna be really really good. It's a lot easier for me to be like, I mean, Nakua and a Sean McVay offense when there's literally no one else in that offense. You could see that working out. Then all of a sudden, you can you can sort of snowball that into oh positive reports, oh late round dart throw. He's basically free in all these formats. Why not go for him? You know? And so I do think environment from from that perspective, you know, it has to matter to some degree, like idiot, it has to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, like and you would have taken Nakua and say he gets the same capital, but he goes to the forty nine ers. Okay, there's no chance he's seeing the field and playing over a lot of those guys like you know, not only like if you want to talk about twelve twenty one personnel, they don't even run a ton of eleven personnel, so it's like they're not going three wide. He's not even sniffing snaps. So it's like he wouldn't even have the opportunity, even though if we could have like rewind it and put him in a bunch of different landing spots. If he doesn't see the field with fifth round capital, he never even has the chance to prove whether he is good or he's not. And then we're just like, well, okay, well never mind, we burnt the round three draft pick that we pay you know for him in Dynasty Ricky drafts last year. I absolutely agree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of the forty nine ers, let's just jump to this really quick, because you're very high on Ricky Piersaw. I saw, and look, I like Pearsaw more than the market as well. I'll get that out of the way. I'm actually kind of shocked that of where he's going, especially in super flex drafts, it seems like there's a very very clear tier divide between like him and like a key on Coleman. When I think that, you know, it's fine, you know from from the from a standpoint of like getting that immediate production all of that, I can understand people going that direction. But I do think that he belongs in that tier from like a talent perspective and then the the fit perspective. But what are you seeing with Peersaw? And then I have a follow up to that, where right now Deebo Samuel and Brandon Ayuk are both in San Francisco. Okay, if we were to assume that one of them was out, I know that Peersaw's your wide receiver five. I believe uh if one of those guys were out, would Piersaw jump Xavier Worthy for you?

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Speaker 2: He? I would look at him and Worthy in a similar tier because I feel like both of them. Now if if one of those guys gets out, and I would say, he's probably gonna stay where he's ranked right now because because also with the Worthy situation, we're playing Rashi Rice. What happens with that? And what is how does that affect Worthy's rookie season. I think if we were to just like if Debo or I got traded, I'm probably bumping Piersaw over Worthy in my rookie ranks for this year and for you know how people are attacking rookie drafts, because then the path is a lot clearer. Yes, I mean you know one of those wide receivers is still there. Yes CMC is still there. Yes, Kittle is still there. But you know, depending on what that looks like, Kittle's still get he's aging, he's getting another year older. And I love how you set this up, JJ, because I've been smashing Ricky Piersall in every rooky draft, Like I feel like he's consistently falling because after those top like eight nine picks and super flex rookie drafts, then you kind of get into that tier of this long tier of wide receivers that were either drafted the back end of round one or round two, and it's like you kind of picking your favorite flavor out of that. And I feel like Piersaw goes after all those guys, and I feel like we're baking in or at least the drafts I've been. It's baking in too much the fact that Deebo and Ayuk are still there, and I'm like, why are we doing that? Because we just saw a team one of the best offensive mines in the NFL, best one of the best offenses in the NFL. Just invest first round capital into a player. And this also speaks to another point of just this class too. I feel like this class in itself is going to test a lot of processes, a lot of people's models, a lot of people's just approach to prospects because you have a big divide, and I don't feel like it's been It's been discussed some and you can correct me if I'm wrong with this, Jaja, because you're again I'm not a model guy. I know you are, and how we approach the rookies, but I don't feel like the divide in how both of those things are matching up for how this class is viewed. I feel like the blanket statement has been thrown out there the entirety of this class of Oh, it's so awesome, you know, the wide receiver so good, blah blah blah blah blah blah. And it's like depends on where you're coming from, because I think a lot of these guys like there are deeper metrics, and pierceau is a great, great example of this. If you look at his yards per out run, if you look at a lot of his volume metrics and how how people's models are built, he might not look great in your model. But then if you look at deeper metrics like per PFF eighty nine percent tile and receiving grade ninety first percent tile and receiving grade versus single coverage, you look at his film, he's fantastic. He tested really well, he gets open for days, he offers you some yactability, He's a really damn good route runner. And so it's like, if you marry the analytics versus the film and versus even deeper metrics, it's like, however your process stacks up, there are a lot of guys in this class that could go up up your ranks or down your ranks, depending on what that looks like. So I think this is going to be a really really awesome class to test our processes about how we look at certain players, how we look at prospects, and how we come to those conclusions. And when we look back on this class after a year of NFL data and seeing how guys performed. It's going to really, I'm not going to say shake up someplace some people's processes, but I think it's gonna lead a lot of us, maybe all of us, to go back to the drawing board and saying, Okay, how do I account for this, what does this look like? And how do I make whatever my process is even better going into the next class. So I think Pearsall should be talked about at the top end of that long tier of wide receivers. I've got him as my wide receiver five and my Superplex rankings. Overall, he is my eleventh overall player. So I think anywhere in that late first round conversation, like at the one ten all the way to the early second is where he should be, and he should be at the top end of that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Let me before I get into what you were just talking about, because I could, I do. I do wanna talk about that topic, because it's one that I very very much agree with you about. You do more film analysis than I do than others do, even in the space because a lot of people were obviously analytics heavy when you walked into this draft and after you were done doing your review of the wide receiver class, did you have the thought that this wide receiver class was as elite as others were talking about it.

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Speaker 2: As elite. No, in the sense of I saw a lot of guys that there was like the top three, and after that top three, it really became just pick your flavor and work at Deceived George Draft, Capital Goes and so many guys. Now, I will say when I first got into this class, and I remember having a conversation with Brett Whitefield over at Fantasy Points, we talked too much on a weekly basis about prospects, and I was like, I feel like I'm coming in lower on this wide receiver class than a lot of other people in the space, because again, like when I get into it, like I'm looking at the analytical profiles for guys. But then I do get into the film and there were a lot of wide receivers that I went back to the film on and I ended up higher than when I originally entered the process. So I think overall, I'm probably a little bit lower on this class than maybe some other people because a lot of my love list guys JJ the NFL said, I don't like those guys, like some of the deeper guys in this class, like the Johnny Wilson's, the Malik Washington's in the world were I was like, look, I've got a round three slash round four grade on you, and they tumbled to round six and I'm like, okay, well, congrats on being an outlier if you hit, because now the NFL said, no, we don't care about you, so which sucks. So I think, like, I like this class, but I looked at a lot of like the middle tier of this class that I was like, if they get round three round four capital, which didn't happen for a number of guys, I think overall, I'm probably going to be lower on this class, although I still do like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the reason I ask is because you know, you mentioned that we could see a lot of processes sort of flipped on it on their heads, you know, after this season, which which I agree with, because if you look at this class analytically, and I've written newsletters about it and I've talked about it on the show, especially when it comes to breakout score. So breakout score looks at yards per team pass attempt and looks at it's it's age adjusted looks at when these guys hit certain thresholds within that metric, and if you look at this class and the players who were drafted in the first couple of rounds, if you look at day, day one and Day two guys, the median and the average breakout scores for these players is significantly lower than most other classes since twenty eleven. Now, I don't know if that is simply due to them not being as good of prospects, or there are all these other factors that we have to now account for and deal with. Which is nil is one yep. Another is the COVID year, obviously because some of these guys just stayed in school longer. As a result of that, some of them didn't play enough games to register a breakout score that one year. But I I actually think one of the biggest things that is not talked about enough is transfer rule changes, where these guys now don't have to sit out a year, and so when you're sitting there and contemplating whether you want to be an early declarer, whether you want to go out go to the NFL or not, you don't only have an nil out, which is what I think a lot of people look at they say, oh, they're just going to stay in school because they can make some money. They have the transfer out right where they can say, Okay, maybe I won't be a first round pick, but what if I go to this SEC school and I could be a starter there and I don't have to wait a year to go do that, Then all of a sudden, I can improve my stock and stay in school at the same time and maybe even make some nil money too, right, And so I think there's a lot of sort of factors that go into that play into that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I say all that because one of the things that someone I saw someone bring up on Twitter over the last month or so was that this is the year that a lot of models are going to need the processes are going to need changed. And my response to that is, I don't think that a model that is properly weighing draft capital will be that destroyed by this.

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Speaker 2: Gust agree. I agree with that. I think that one that is, and you hit the nail on the head with which you just stated before, if your model was too heavily weight or more heavily weighted towards breakout age and dominant things like that were it comes down to the age factor or early declare status exactly. That's where I think people will be turned on their heads. Possibly, No, No, I agree.

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Speaker 1: The people who are going to be in trouble this year, I think are the people who are looking strictly at historical data and hits based on that historical data and saying things like non early declare first round wide receivers suck and only early declare first round wide receivers are good. And it's like, well, there's a lot more nuance to that, right, like yes, like Roma Dune say, yeah, it's it's unfortunate that he's not an early declare hypothetic ler technically, but like he's still you know, his breakout score was still fine. And really, what happened over the last ten to fifteen years in the NFL just so happened that all of the first round non early to clear wide receivers generally also had really bad production profiles. You know, you're looking at like Taevon Austen, like these guys who just like like they are, like like these players who didn't look that great on paper to begin with, and then you're tagging them with the non early declare status. But the other stuff is still what matters more.

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Speaker 2: And so to your point, that almost feels like we're just double counting anyway. Exactly, he wasn't gonna look good in your model anyway, so that part of his profile it's like, okay, just lumping in, like you're just again, I just feel like you're double counting.

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, you are, Yeah, you absolutely are, And that that's why I think like having you know, I've worked for years in testing this model at this point, right, and it's very very important to make sure that you're not double counting things and that you're not weighing things a particular way or you know, too heavily one way and not the other. And you're looking at a large enough sample size to really understand what the data is saying. And I look, I do think that objectively class, you know, looks a little bit worse in terms of how the masses view the class. But when you factor in draft capital, which is a very big weight in my model at least, because I think it needs to be based on the things that I've tested. Even if the players have you know, deficient areas in some places because their draft capital was still okay, I mean I think eleven guys got drafted round one and round two, which is one of the highest that we've seen over this, you know, since the twenty eleven time frame. Because we have that, because we have that draft capital. Their scores are still fine. At the end of the day, the prospect scores all that, it doesn't matter. They're I'm I'm not producing the prospect Guide to give you a breakout score. I'm producing the prospect Guide to give you a prospect score. And if the prospect score, you know, I hate ad and I Mitchell's prospect profile from a from an analytical standpoint.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so much.

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Speaker 1: There are so many red flags. The good part is is that he's an early declarer who played with really tough competition in college. And that's really the only thing that you can say and point to analytically for Ady Mitchell and say this guy is decent, right analytically.

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Speaker 2: And NaN's not far off of that either.

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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so. But but to that point though, he's still got decent enough draft capital. He does have the teammates score. He is an early declare. Okay, all of that can mind. He has a score of eighty three, which isn't like amazing for where he was drafted, but it could be way, way worse, right, And I think that the general point is that all of these things work together.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: We can sit here and pinpoint certain metrics like in yards per route run or certain yards perrout run against certain coverages and say this is what typically hits in the past. That's fine, but don't let that give you take lock at the end of the day. Don't don't allow that to overshadow the greater picture. And a guy like Piersall. The reason why my like a lot of analytical models is not like peer saw that much. No, And I understand why, I get, yeah, right right, But mine actually didn't mind him because it really likes versatile wide receivers who did stuff on the ground. And that's what it liked about Jayden Reid last year, and that's what it likes about Ricky Pearsall. Now now he goes to San Francisco, a team that, I mean, who do we trust more than Kyle Shanahan to be able to deploy uh these wide receivers in unique and and and in ways that will h you know, let their ability show h Kyle Shanahan's the guy for that, and to me, I think Pearsall would work work great with Ayuk if they were if they're able to maintain Ayuk and then he can kind of honestly, I mean, he's not debo by any means, uh, in terms of like what he'd be able to do out of the backfield. There's a lot of Jets sweeps and stuff that he could take though, a lot of a lot of interesting ground game work that he could steal in a Deebo esque type role, all while being just an incredible route runner. So overall, I know we started with Pearsall and we went on a little tangent here, but Piersaw Pearsaw, I'm with you. I think that he's an undervalue player because things can change very quickly and he has more than one out, which I like. Where you know, Deebo has the out next year with this contract, Ayuk obviously a free agent. Maybe something happens is or maybe it doesn't, But what are the odds, like, do you really think that that if one of those guys, because I would imagine one of those guys is going to leave at the end of twenty twenty four, they're not going to resign or keep both of them, right, well, and a ninety five percent chance that that that's the case, right, Obviously, anything's possible, But.

00:31:18
Speaker 2: No, I absolutely agree. And the one thing I wanted to add on the end of this JJ was that if you look at even Deebo's contract, I think the other thing that San Francisco is playing here, and I could be wrong with this, I have no source or whatever kind of like yeah, spots to but if you look just his contract, and we know that Brandon Ayuk wants to get paid, which preservedly so he's freaking awesome, is that if you look at Deepot's contract, if they trade him pre June first, they would have they would only save six point nine mil against the cap. You look after June first, they trade Debo after June first, they would save twenty two million against the cap. So basically you're saying, if we trade Deebo after June first, there you go about you here's your contract.

00:32:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like that could.

00:32:03
Speaker 2: Be the only thing that we're waiting for. And so while I'm in rookie drafts and you're trying to take your mind's eye and say, how does this play out? And I don't feel like the market is fully accounting for one of these players will be gone. Then Okay, well then fine, I'm just gonna either trade into the draft right now because he's fallen too far, or I'm gonna take him.

00:32:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you assume like a ninety five percent chance that one of those guys is gonna be gone in twenty twenty five, I don't think that Pearsall from like a market value standpoint, even if he does, like let's say Deebo and Aayuk are both there in twenty twenty four. Pearsaw doesn't get a lot of run. Maybe he has average route per route run efficiency like nothing, nothing crazy, right, He's not like Cedric Tillman bad, but he's not you know, like like does this monster like Dontavian Wis per route or something like that, leven, He's.

00:32:49
Speaker 2: Like Jordan Addison per route sure, you know, like which, which honestly was if you take the receiving touchdowns out of the equation. His rookie season was really overrated as far.

00:32:58
Speaker 1: As yeah, no, I agree, is yeah, totally totally. So let's just assume he has kind of an average peripheral type season. I don't think the market's gonna then all of a sudden be like, oh, we don't want Ricky Pearson when that opening is occurring, right when that agreed, when that hypothetical opening is happening. Because you know this system, you know that they seemingly have the quarterback like things are at least in place for Pearsaw to step in. So that's why I also think the market value aspect might be a little bit overrated. Really quick, we did mention Keon Coleman and ad and I Mitchell, you are very low on both of them, yep, So talk to me about those guys.

00:33:32
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm very low on them because whether you wouln't look at this from an analytical standpoint or a film standpoint, I wasn't enamored with either side of the aisle. Just I mean, starting with Keon Coleman, the way that I look at whether you look at this from a percentile or you look at the u SR per yards per route run and stuff like that, the way that I write up my primers. You know, like I said, it's a merriment of film and analytics. But Keon Coleman, even on paper, looks dreadful I mean, over the last two years in PFF receiving grades seventy ninth the one hundred and forty eighth yards per route run, he's one hundred and seventh and one hundred and seventy fifth. If you take his per route metrics and you stack him up against Johnny Wilson, who went in the freaking sixth round, Johnny Wilson beats him at almost everything. So it's like his teammate got drafted in the sixth round and he had better analytics than he did, and I can argue maybe even better film, and we believe that. Okay, well he got the second round draft capital. And the reason that I like, I don't even drop Keon and Adnai even further. And I haven't even gotten into Adnai yet. But like with Keon, the reason that I didn't drop him even further is because of the draft capital. Like maybe I should come up a little bit on him. But again, we're all taking stances and rookie drafts, and if people are following my ranks the way that I view Keon Coleman and ad Andy Mitchell, I'm taking the hard stance of if we're cherry picking guys out of this second and third tier of wide receivers and players in this draft class that I want to target. Keon Coleman's not at the top of the list. He's at the very bottom of the list. And you know, so it's like, whether you look at this from an analytics standpoint, you look at from a film standpoint. I don't think he's a great route runner. He was asked to run to space a lot versus his own way. They used him at Florida State even even deeper deeper analytics forty second percentile and receiving grade thirty ninth percentile against receiving grad versus single coverage. Like there's nothing that jumps off the page for me for Keon Coleman to say, well, maybe I'm wrong here. And the same thing with Adie Mitchell. I mean I could just tie a bow on this JJ and say, look at anything analytically, and Ady Mitchell is going to be at the bottom left of whatever data is that you got out there for him. It's just bad, Like his entire profile is bad. He didn't even even if you want to excuse away and say, and I'm not a Quinnviwers guy. So when we get to next year's draft cycle. If anybody's hyping up Quinn years, I'm gonna be out there to saying no, no, no, no, I'm going to di kembey a lot of people on that. But with Adni Mitchell, it's like, even if you want to excuse away some of the quarterback play, the analytics are dreadful. The deeper metrics on him are okay, but they're not amazing. It's like, I look at both of those guys. I think Kean Coleman is not going to be a high end target earner at the NFL level. I look at when Buffalo drafted him, it was we need to build a basketball team. Okay, we have the point guard, we have the small forward, we have the guy who can beat zone. We have our tight end who can do a lot of different things, beat man coverage and stuff. We need an X guy that we can use in the red zone. Somebody would size that we can use as a chess piece to fill that type of role. And with Adni Mitchell, I look at it the same way Shane Steikeen said, Okay, we need explosives in this offense. Alec Pierce couldn't do that for us. Last year. As athletic as he was, he's not a good route runner. It just it doesn't translate to the field. So they said, Okay, we need to go get another guy that can stretch the field and create explosives because that has been a state and Stikeen's offense. If you go back to Philly, what they do for Jalen Hurts in that offense, it's going to be the same thing for Anthony Richardson. So they're gonna have Pittman playing the X. They have you know, everybody else underneath as far as Josh Downs and the running backs taking care of his own coverage and tight ends. I know Mitchell's gonna be asked to stretch the field. And both of these guys, I don't look at them as having high end target earning potential or profiles like I think both of them are gonna live in that's seventeen to twenty maybe twenty one percent range, and that's kind of like the best case scenario for me. I just don't see them being high target chaer guys or high target per route run guys to where they're really gonna be demanding targets at a high enough clip to where they're burning me if I don't draft them in drafts.

00:37:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the weird things for me. I don't think I've shared this on the podcast. I've shared it in like the Discord and stuff like that, But I've been kind of surprised that people have been hyped about the eighty Mitchell landing spot with their be they they just extended Michael same so they just extend Michael Pittman. Josh Downs, I think is one of the better young slot players in the league.

00:38:08
Speaker 2: Uh.

00:38:09
Speaker 1: And then and then you have obviously a mobile quarterback who we don't even really know exactly what I mean. I love Anthony Richardson and I'm excited to draft in fantasy and all that, but like, like we we don't know exactly what we're getting yet. To me, the ady Mitchell move. And and by the way, it's very funny that the after night one of the draft, I tweeted out all these comps because like Xavier Worthies top comp my model was Marquise Brown, and uh, there there were a lot of of of comp like teams just doing the same thing over and over again, Like like zaber Lagett, one of his comps was Jonathan Mingo and and so and so there were there were there were these comps from these players that they had just drafted or just traded for whatever, or signed. And I said on Twitter, uh that the Colts were about to take Ady Mitchell because Alec Pierce was his top comp and and and in the model and so and then they and then they did because it's the most any Napolis Colt's pick of all time that Chris bout that he loves loves athletic wide receivers. He of course they were gonna get Adie Mitchell and so so I thought maybe there was a chance they were gonna go to Brian Thomas route, but you know, they go get Adie Mitchell. I think at the end of the day, the Mitchell move is just way better in real life to fit a need for them than it is in fantasy. Like you're saying, like I too agree that he's probably gonna max out or like be in that like eighteen percent target share range. Of course anything's possible, I understand that, but I think I think from a reasonable projection standpoint, like he'll get to that like eighteen percent target share range, especially with Michael Pittman there, who we know can gobble up a lot of targets and will gobble up a lot of targets, and it's it's it's not a pass heavy offense because of Anthony Richardson. It's not gonna be this massively past heavy offense. They do run at a good pace, which is gonna help volume. But that's my fear. With with Mitchell said it's a better real life thing. And then with key on Coleman, I think Coleman's a better prospect than Mitchell, but I do think that there are a lot of there is a lot of uncertainty with how they're going to deploy Hm because they want to deploy him as the e X. I talked a lot with Matt Harmon about him seeing Coleman Moore as like a big slot maybe play more of like that Michael Thomas role, and maybe that maybe he evolves in that way because I personally think that like a Curtis Samuel Khalil Shakir can play inside out, like I think both of them are that's true capable enough to not be locked into the slot. And so maybe as the season goes on and it evolves, you know, they don't just have him have key On Coleman locked in to that X role, but I do think there's a lot of volatility to both of those players, and to me, like Coleman, I am higher on partially because of the landing spot, partially because I just think he was a better prospect Mitchell. I. I mean, look, I might regret this in the year, who knows, but I have not drafted Mitchell yet in a rookie draft.

00:40:49
Speaker 2: Same of it. I have not drafted Ady Mitchell once, and we're we're in lockstep as far as the comps. My compon and my wide receiver primer was DJ Shark, and I think that he could have a very similar career arc. Not to get too galbrand here, but this is something I brought up on a show last night, and I think it's very interesting when we look at how these teams are even viewing the players that they've selected. Okay, and correct me if I'm wrong here, JJ, you remember last year how much how effusive Bean was and how all of the buzz that was coming out from the moment they selected him to the moment we got into training camp. About Dalton Kincaid, I don't know how many of the pressers and stuff for the bills of the quotes and stuff you've heard them talk about, like Kean Coleman what his rookie season could look like. They're probably gonna play him at the X and ease him in as he learns of the playbook. Like for me, if you stack up this team talking about skill players and not very differing draft capital and their outlook for what they could see both of these players as rookies, it is a much more tempered approach in conversation from Bean and the other coaches and stuff out of a buffalo right now for Keon Coleman than anything I heard last year coming out of the same camp about Dalton Kincaid.

00:42:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I think that's an interesting point to bring up. I also think that some might say, well, who else are they gonna play, which I can understand. But they can run a lot at twelve and they could do that. They could do that with Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir and still not necessarily have key On Coleman on the field, So there is that at play too. I think that's an interesting thing to add for sure. Another thing we got to talk about with your rookie rankings. Man, this is this is gonna ruffle some feathers, I feel. I'm sure. I'm sure feathers have been ruffled throughout your your mentions for the last two weeks since you've you've published these. But uh, your one on one in super Flex right now is Jaden Daniels, which I want to add before I go, Like, I talked to Jim Sonis before the draft, who does great work with quarterbacks and his model loved Jaden Daniels, And I asked him straight up, if Jayden and Daniels goes to Washington number two over, would you be okay with drafting him over Kayleb Williams, And he at the time said that he, I mean, it might have changed. I probably should have asked him before I started talking about him on this episode, but you know, like like he was okay with doing that. I think at the very least, he'd probably have them in the same tier. I have a separate tier between Kayleb Williams and Jane Daniels. But I get it, Like, I understand where your head is at with this, but talk to me a little bit more because it seems like you're also lower on Caleb Williams and Jet Maybe maybe it's just that you like because I'll just go to this next question. You have JJ McCarthy ahead of Kayleb Williams right now. I don't know if you still yeah, okay, so you have JJ McCarthy over Kayleb Williams. Is this a situation where you're low on Williams or are you just high on Daniels and McCarthy.

00:43:44
Speaker 2: So it's funny because before we recorded the first episode of the Fantasy Pros NFL Draft show, I called for the night before it and I was like, I don't know where you sit with all these guys because we were kind of keeping our take siloed to ourselves so we can give him on the show, you know. And I was like, dude, I think Jane Daniels is my QB one. JJ is gonna be my QB two. I love their games. I love their games, and I love their upsides. And I said, I know when we record this episode, people are going to box it and I'm going to immediately get all the replies and everything's gonna come at me about Oh you're a clown, Oh you're doing this for clicks, You're blah blah blah. You hate Caleb. I don't hate Caleb, just for the record, and for me with all of this is yes, like for me, I think I think we were in a really really interesting spot JJ with like with this year's top end of super flex drafts, it's like and a lot of this is team contexts specific to your roster. It's like, you can make the case for Marvin Harrison at one oh one if you were freaking stocked at quarterback. I think you can make the case for Jane Daniels at one oh one in the same breath at Caleb Williams and a lot of people don't look at it that way. But if we just just look at Jane Daniels the prospect, and people have lumped him in with a lot of like the pressure to sack rate stuff and things like that, as being in the same conversation or using him in the same breath as Justin Fields. If you look at justin Fields and say, okay, well, justin Fields, we knew we got the rushing utility, and people can say whatever they want to about the pass game stuff him being a terrible passer and what have you. We still got a quarterback over the last two seasons that produced QB five and QB nine Fantasy points per game numbers, regardless of whatever we want to talk about about him as a freaking passer. And this is a quarterback justin fields. When he came into the NFL as a prospect, wasn't even a rushing quarterback in college. We have a large or at least a sample of Jane Daniels being a good rushing quarterback in college. Now we talk about what can he do from the pocket, and he literally he lit it up last year as far as a passer, regardless of whatever metric I pull up when I talk about his deep ball pass when I talk about versus pressure, when I talk about his overall numbers, whether it's a just a completion rate, yards per attempt, big time throw rate, even if you want to go into deeper stuff of first or next read percentage, and we're talking about how does he get through progressions. Out of the top four quarterbacks in this class, JJ, Jane Daniels has the highest percentage of getting to his next read, higher than Caleb Williams, higher than Drake May, and higher than JJ McCarthy. So the way that I look at Jane Daniels is we are getting justin fields, but he is a better passer like hand and stuff like easily a better passer like anybody that still believes or ever believed in justin fields. The way that I look at Jane Daniels is you hope he becomes Jane Daniels it eventually in his career. So now we're gonna say he goes to Washington, he gets married with an offensive coordinator in a situation where they're going to ask him to do two things religiously, and he's really freaking good at them. And that's throw deep and the utilization of play action. Cliff Kingsbury at the height of his powers with Kyler Murray again, we're talking about go back to Kyler Murray and with the numbers he produced as a rookie on on a per play basis or a per game basis and fantasy and he was fantastic. And I think Jane Daniels is an even better prospect than Kyler Murray was coming out. So if we talk about all those parts of pieces, yeah, I think Jane Daniels looking at the rushing floor and everybody loves to talk about his rushing and oh, well, he could get heard, and he's slide and all these different things, and it's like, dude, come on, do we not believe that a guy can learn to slide instead of running into tackles that he should not be taken or we not believe that a guy has common sense and can learn how to run out of bounds. A lot of that is him pressing and saying I need to go make a play on a per play basis and saying, okay, I'm going to take off with him. Maybe it's not the best decision, Maybe I need to make more business decision in my life on the football field. I'm not gonna say that he can't make that. But that's also the other thing that everybody talks about or clowns about. And I'm like, okay, do we really not believe that a guy can learn how to slide on an NFL field or run out of bounds? Like? So I'm not that worried about it. So yeah, I think Jane Daniels, we're looking at a guy that if he starts in and this is reflected in my redraft rankings already, if he starts every single game this year, lock it in he's a top twelve quarterback. His rushing and the passing upside, he will be a top twelve quarterback. I said the same thing about Anthony Richardson last year he was on his way to doing that, yeah where he got hurt. And I'm just saying the same thing about Jane Daniels because it's the rushing ability, man like, regardless of whatever he does as a passer, and he's better than both of those guys as prospects as a passer.

00:48:48
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, if you have Daniels, I think McCarthy versus Caleb is the interesting thing when it comes to market value. Right, So I did a study this offseason talked about how quarterback value from year one to year two in super flex leagues, the guy has to really really suck froim the lose significant value like Bryce Young bad right, Like even justin Field, Zach Wilson, Kenny Pickett, they all like maintained value for the most part from year one to year two. Which is why I think going with Daniels is pretty intriguing because you get a look like if you think he's a more volatile passer, let's say, or what have like if you if someone believes that with Daniels versus Caleb, at least with Daniels, you know you're getting that rushing upset. You know that the ceiling is probably a little bit more intriguing from a fantasy perspective, not necessarily a real football perspective. So you could get like a free look year one because if he does not like you, can you have an out after the first year is over, after his rookie season's over. With McCarthy versus Williams, my question to you would be, what are you doing with the market, because the market clearly likes Caleb Williams more, and that's obviously a piece to dynasty building and roster construction, is you want to accumulate value on your team. So how would you parse that out? How would you sort of argue the McCarthy over Williams thing based on what the market's saying, because it seems like, you know, there's obviously less room for air with McCarthy year one than there would be for Caleb Williams.

00:50:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is less room, And I think in a lot of instances the way that I've approached that in rookie drafts where I've been up high enough that the one oh one of the one o two, and I've been in this situation a lot of spots. I've either said okay, and I have drafted Caleb Williams at the one oh two in a different spots because you know as well as I do, we're playing portfolios. You're playing in ten fifteen leagues. You want exposure to a lot of different guys, and you don't have the one oh ones, and you know you might play fifteen leagues and you don't have the one oh one only in one of those leagues. So it's like I want to draft him in one of these, you know, like we're having fun. And but I think in the in a lot of other spots where I've had the one O two and I have seen Marvin Harrison Junior go at the one oho and so Caleb's just staring at me. In a lot of instances, I've just tried to trade back because if I'm like okay, I like JJ a ton and with that ranking, because I want to give context with that ranking. The ranking that I have of Caleb Williams is I am acknowledging the range of outcomes for him as a player that I feel like a lot of other people are not acknowledging, Like he was amazing Superman in freaking twenty twenty two, but we cannot explain away some of the bad habits and some of the things on his tape and in his analytics in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty three happened. I get the surrounding cast stunk. I understand that. But then also we talk about, just from a play perspective, these bad habits that he's accrued and stuff over the last year. It's like some of that stuff when the game gets more complicated and the game speeds up and he goes to the NFL, do those things still continue to rear their ugly head? Does it not? Is he played with better within structure? Do these kind of like fall back to the wayside and we see nothing but twenty twenty two Caleb Williams. So for me, I think the range of outcomes for Caleb Williams is a lot wider than a player like JJ McCarthy, who I think he's the easiest projection out of any quarterback in this class, the easiest pro ready projection, and the other side of his game and the reason why I like him as much as Caleb Williams in this class and I have him ranked actually over is I think the projection is easier, and I think he offers just as much. And I know that people are gonna hate this, but he offers the same type of off script ability. He offers the same ability when the play breaks down, and I would charge anybody go watch and the box score numbers are not there. Definitively, I'm gonna say that to begin with this, the box score numbers are not there for JJ in terms of seeing that a ton as much as you saw it with Caleb Williams in the entirety of college. But if you go watch them versus Nebraska in twenty twenty three, same type of stuff you'll see offscript You'll see him making plays outside the pocket. You'll see And there's a few clips out on social where people like Danielvsky and other quarterback evaluators and stuff have shown clips of JJ making these awesome offscript ability plays and it's like, oh, well, they don't get the hype. If Caleb would have done the same thing, people would be tripping over themselves to tweet. But because JJ McCarthy did it, and oh, we're supposed to hate JJ McCarthy. We had not got to tweet that or give him his flowers when he does some of the same stuff. Did he do it to the regularity that Caleb Williams did? No? Can he still do it? I firmly believe that. And the other thing that gets undersold about JJ is he's athletic, is all get out, JJ like he he Okay, So there were rumors of him running four fours and four fives in practice, so that is not confirmed, but you want to know what has been confirmed. He ran the sixth fastest freaking three cone at the Combine amongst all the skill players. So that athleticism is there. And just because he wasn't asked to do this at Michigan as much as was asked to play superhero and put the cape on, I think that JJ can put the cape on just as much as is needed. And we're going to see a better NFL player because the per play metrics for him. If I were to just tell you, with taking the name of it out of it, that JJ McCarthy that we had a quarterback that people did not want to like in this process that if you even look at his per play numbers. He was tenth in PFF passing grade he was fourth, and adjust A completion rate he was eleventh yards per attempt, he was fourth in adjust A completion rate versus pressure. His third down numbers were amazing, and he was third in deep ball completion rate. If I took the name JJ McCarthy out of it, people would say, oh, those must be kayvib william numbers. They're not. They're JJ McCarthy numbers.

00:54:43
Speaker 1: Sounds like, sounds like you just think that McCarthy is a great Do you think he's like the best value in super flex right now because he goes general?

00:54:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he will go sometimes. I mean I've seen him fall all the way to the one ten, the one to eleven and some super flex and these are not like just Schmow leagues, these are industry leagues. Like he's falling to the one ten, and I'm like, that should not happen in super flex, Like that just shouldn't happen. He should be going at the one oh five, the one oh six right now. My super flex ranks like I've got him at the one oh four. But he's in that conversation where he should not get past the one oh six. So I'm I'm trading into drafts. I've drafted him, I've traded up from the one ten to get him, and stuff like at the one o eight the one oh nine, And I just feel that people have gotten so centered about their take lock, and I feel like that take lock has not only been centered around JJ McCarthy, but some of the running backs in this class that we're going to discuss here in a little bit, Yeah, to where it's like people have gotten so locked into these takes about JJ McCarthy sucks and this running back class sucks that they can't even see theirself. They can't even see the fours from the trees.

00:55:47
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, let's talk about that, because I think one of the most undervalued players in rookie drafts right now is Jonathan Brooks, which I did not I did not necessarily think that was gonna be the case going in because I didn't know kind of draft capital he would gain, and I was gonna play the game theory thing a little bit with the ACL and not knowing how his value would appreciate year over year. The fact that in super flex drafts you can sometimes get Jonathan Brooks in the early second is insanity to me. You know, in my prospect model, in the ZAP model, he comps from a score perspective, not stylistically or anything. He's literally right next to Kenneth Walker in score. Kenneth Walker was a very firm I know it's a different class and all of that, but very firm, mid first round pick and super flex. Whenever he came out, people were very very high on him. I don't know what it is. I think that you're right. I think that the sentiment around the running back class is part of the reason why people are not bullish enough on Brooks. But to me, Landing spot great, right, Like you get an environment where Tuba's gonna be gone extra not only are you know, I don't mind. I think Cuba there's a little bit of an anchoring bias with him based on what he did year because he was bad year one, like like legit bad, Well, then he's gotten better, Like he's not. He's not as bad and replaceable as I think some people believe. With that being said, Jonathan Brooks is a far superior player than you be Hubbard, and then Miles Sanders is Miles Sanders, So Brooks immediately Cannon should see work once he's healthy. But then you get Dave Canalis in the way that he used Rashad White right last year. You get an environment that should only get better hypothetically, and Brooks obviously can can be healthier, and he's a very very good prospect. I am assuming, given you were clapping when I said that Jonathan Brooks was an undervalued asset, you agree with me.

00:57:34
Speaker 2: Oh, I adamantly agree with you. I think that Jonathan Brooks should go no later than the one o eight. I think that he should be locked in as the one o eight in super flex rookie drafts. I think the fact of and this is ahead of Brock Powers. So put all the quarterbacks, put the top three wide receivers ahead. A M. That's fine, But I think Brooks should be the next name off of the board. And I mean, we're walking out of this rookie draft for everybody and all the crap that people heaped on this running back class, we are walking out of this running back class with a confirmed future possibly the end of this season. Bell cow like, we are getting Rashad White with draft capital.

00:58:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, like White, draft like he's not. It's so weird to me, Like he is actually a like like not only does the prospect model see him with a score of ninety four, which is really really good, that's also it does atcount for teammate gives him a teammate score based on him playing behind Roshan and Bijon at Texas. But at the same time, he would have scored better had the teammate score is not going to account for what he hypothetically could have done as a starter for his entire college career, right like he he could have looked even better within that model. And so to me, you know, even though even though teammate score is trying to account for all that, to me, we like we we we always are putting these elite running backs up on this pedestal and being like, we got to get this guy, we got to draft him because we know how good they are from a valuation standpoint in dynasty year over year, and how beneficial it is to have a true bell cow in fantasy football. And then we have one, and people are like, nah, I don't need.

00:59:08
Speaker 2: This, it's crazy, sauce. I honestly think it's absolutely ludicrous. And this is where I talked about people are just so affirm in that take lock. It's like they can't even see that we're getting a bell cowt. It's like they try to explain it away and they're like, oh, well, the ACL when it's like, okay, all right, I believe in modern medicine. Unlike you know, if you don't believe in modern medicine, that's fine, you know, but I believe in modern medicine. So the ACL is not the coffin nail. And we look at this backfield and you want to talk about, Yes, Dave canelis 're shot White was seventh in opportunity share. We're going to go back further. You talked about Kenneth Walker. Dave Canelis was on the sideline a Seattle's QB coach, and he watched Kenneth Walker get ranked thirteenth in opportunity share. Not only all of that, can we see from the outside looking in? Out of Dave Canellis's mouth and out of Dan Morgan's mouth has come we value the running back position, And I'm like, okay, that's great. I value the running back p psition too. With Jonathan Brooks, like I have him already ranked as a Dynasty RB one, he's inside of my top twelve.

01:00:05
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's my I think he's my RB nine right now and he is my RB.

01:00:09
Speaker 2: Uh. We might be handholding. I want to make sure like we I'm not lying to you about that right now. Jonathan my RB nine, he's my RB nine, right behind Kenneth Walker and Travis etn Y.

01:00:19
Speaker 1: Yeah. So so my my thing is if you were excused to not draft Jonathan Brooks at least in round one, let's say, or where he's going at adp uh, if your excuse is that you're worried about the A C L I can understand that a lot more than I'm worried about anything else, Like like, if you truly are worried about the fine that like like that's at least something that's that's tangible. Maybe you're worried about his value year over year and how that might manifest. But to me, he not that I would agree with that, But to.

01:00:48
Speaker 2: Me say, I don't agree with that too. Yeah, right, I thought you were with me on that.

01:00:52
Speaker 1: So to me, to me, though the player himself is very very good, would you say that within rookie drafts this year, you're biggest surprise is the way that people are looking at the running back position.

01:01:04
Speaker 2: I think it's twofold. I think the biggest surprise comes to how people are evaluating the running back position, and I think how people are evaluating the tight end position in rookie drafts, and it's specific around two different players, and I want to bring them up here because people are not high on this tight end class. And I'm not telling anybody that I'm high on this tight end class as a whole, but for the life of me, I do not understand why you're going to pay up for brock Bauers in a rookie draft when you can get Ben Sennet or you can get Eric all Way after they should be going in ADP. Like Ben sent It falls to the end of the second round, held the third round, and a lot of rookie drafts. Eric all Is in the third round, held the fourth round, a lot of rookie drafts, and to me, I'll look at those are absolutely wrong for a number of reasons. Like with Ben Sennett, it's just crazy, like he gets second round capital. You look at all the parts and pieces from an analytics point that we love JJ and it's like, okay, he was top ten in yards per out run and receiving grade. Last year he was fourth and miss tackles forced. He gets second round freaking capital. And I'm sorry if you think that the Washington Commanders just spent second round capital on a freaking full back, you need to go get your head examined, like that's not even the case. So looking at him, and then we look at eric All, and one of the things that I think is so interesting when we look at him, and going back to the injury stuff, is that people conflate hit, the back injury and the ACL. They talk about them in the same breath, and I feel like it's wrong. And the reason I feel like that's so wrong is because we've already seen him come back from the back injury he sustained. Then in twenty twenty two he came back and he was motoring along. And my take this entire time JJ is that if Eric All would have played all of the games, he never tore his ACL, he would have been the tight end two in this class, would have been hyped, people would have been excited to draft him. Because again going back to the analytics, it's like, if you look at a market share perspective when he was on the field at Iowa, fantastic. You look at deeper stuff. He was top ten in yards per route run in each of the last two seasons where he garnered at least twenty targets. Okay, he's checked all those boxes last year on a per target basis, amongst all guys at least ten man coverage targets. And this is something that I highlighted when I was so freaking high on Samuela portal last year. Eric Hall was eighth and PFF receiving great and first in yards per route run last year against man coverage. And we have tape to confirm that he was going to test and be a good athlete. And I've already tweeted that out. So I wanted to go down that rabbit hole. But with Eric All, it's like, Okay, he came back from the back injury, proved that the back injury was in his rear view mirror. He was on his way to smashing at Iowa, has a wonderful analytical profile, and he still got fourth round cap. And yet people are saying and the landing spot is freaking fantastic or Seattle I mean in Cincinnati, and yet people are like, nah, he sucks, Like I'm so worried about it. It's like I just like all those parts or pieces don't make any sense to me at all.

01:04:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, very interesting. Who do you think from this rookie class is gonna surprise us in Redraft this year?

01:04:26
Speaker 2: I think the low And again, I'm just living in Cincinnati with this. I think Jermaine Burton's the easy answer here. Yeah, I think that I love I loved him when I so. There's two players that when I watched their film this year and looked at their analytical profiles, I wasn't expecting to love as much as I love them. And one is Javon Baker and the other one is Jermaine Burton. And I think looking at both of those guys, they were mischaracterized and misused in college. Both of those guys were discussed as field stretchers, only I don't think that that's the case. I think both of those guys can get open and short, intermediate and deep. I think that both of them have good analytical profiles, especially in the case of Jermaine Burton. There are so many instances where you can go back to the film, and you could say, dude, if Jim and Milroe would have been at least a decent and average quarterback at throwing the football, Burton should have smashed. And if you go to all the deeper analytics top thirty yards per out run PFF receiving grade, he was massive against percentiles against single coverage like zone everything, and so not only that, he tests really good and he got third round capital outside of all the off field stuff which swirled everywhere, and everybody said he was gonna drop to the fifth or sixth round and he doesn't. And I'm like, Okay, well, one of these guys, Javon Baker, Jermaine Burton, one of them is gonna smash this year and everybody's gonna kind of like act surprised about it, and I don't think they should be.

01:05:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, Model definitely likes them a lot versus where they were drafted. You and I had talked about Burton a little bit via DM before the draft hit. You know, a little worried about the off the field stuff, but if he can, if he can stay on the field, it's a really really great spot for him. Let's move to best Ball a little bit. I know that you play Best Ball. I saw that you have Kyler Murray as hugely undervalued. I do as well, I think right now, of all quarterbacks in Best Ball. I mean, if you look at my pre draft stuff, he was by far my highest roster quarterback. Are you, like, do you think that this is gonna change? Do you think that because the quarterback position is as deep or deep enough, that Kyler's ADP is really gonna just hover where it's at right now, or do you think it's gonna rise.

01:06:39
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be stuck where he's at. Man, Like, I'm looking at Best Ball ADP on Underdog right now, I'm staring at this, and it's like, I feel like this top six, top seven quarterbacks like is locked in. Like maybe he hops Joe Burrow and he becomes the QB seven and that pushes him up into the high seventies, but that's really the cap. Like I don't see him getting above Anthony Richardson. I don't see him getting above C. J. Stroud. And so if that's the case, then what are we talking about at the very height of Probably if his ADP and he catches more steam, and what is he gonna be in the mid sixties, so okay, then maybe he's the going where Jalen Hurts was a few years ago. And it's like, okay, well, great, I'll take that. You're telling me I'm gonna give him the fifth round. And I could start just like either you know, going one running back and then hammering wide receivers or hammering wide receivers and getting to that point. I mean, I put it in the article that you're referencing. JJ. I said it in that article. My favorite best ball stack right now is Kyler Murray and Trey McBride. And I don't understand either what I understand Kyler's ADP. I have no freaking clue what the hell we're doing with Trey McBride's ADP, Like, what are we doing with titands just in general, I could use that as a blanket statement for a whole different episode. But Trey McBride going in the forties whenever he like legit was top three in everything for tight ends after week eight last year, makes absolutely zero freaking sense. And it's like, it's it's too cheap if you think that he could be a top two tight end or finish his tight end one overall, and you're getting the discount on Kyler Murray. It's like, I'm just gonna hammer this like I'm gonna have so much Kyler Murray and trayming Bride it's gonna be nauseating because I can pair them together and you're not playing paying the iron price that right now, Marvin Harrison Junior is is subtracting from you, Like he's a top fifteen player. You don't have to pay that for Trey McBride, and Trey McBride could honestly out target him this year.

01:08:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a group of tight ends who you wouldn't be shocked if they finished as a tight end one this year. I'm even gonna put like Mark Andrews in there. I think Andrews is undervalued. I don't think the gap between Laporta to McBride should be as wide as it currently is. And then Kelsey Kelsey's I mean, like, let's be real, like it's Travis Kelcey. We can't just discount Kelsey and assume that he's just gonna not be productive. I mean it's he can still absolutely be productive. I agree. It's really weird because I'm not always like the early round tight end guy, but I feel like their costs. I mean, we were just not seeing like the you know, the the top two round guys happened this year, so it's a lot easier to swallow that and get a guy in the fourth or the fifth. Even Kyle Pitts where he's going, I'm fine with, you know.

01:09:21
Speaker 2: It's like, it's crazy, man, It's like this year, it's like everybody said for years and years and years, the elite tight end matters so fricking much. Travis Kelce is deserving to go in the first round, Mark Andrews goes in the second round of almost how many years in a row do we do that? And then this year comes up and everybody's like, nah, yeah, I don't no, no, no, no, no no, And it's like, why, yeah, those points are still valid, but now you're you're not.

01:09:47
Speaker 1: You think like, yeah, I get it, I really don't get it. I think a lot of it has to probably do with like vorp right and the fact that we now have more of them. But my argument back to that is we don't have enough of them, so right, we're still not We're still not as like deep at tight end as we are quarterback, even though we have gotten a nice influx of you know, tight end talent, and we should feel good about that. Finally, it's still not to the point where you know, you can just wait and wait and wait forever, because there is a wall that you will hit, you know, within these within these best ball drafts where tight end gets really really rough. Regarding Kyler, something that I have that's going on a newsletter. By the time that this is out, this episode's out, maybe the newsletter will be out. I don't know. But Kyler has seen four point nine rushing points per game in every season of his career. He's been over five and four of his five seasons. Okay, that's that's that's just points with his legs, right. There's been thirty five quarterback seasons since twenty eleven where the quarterback hit five or more rushing points per game, hit that average while also having three hundred pass attempt so they were the starter for their team and they were hitting this five rushing points per game mark. Only four of those players were under eighteen points per game, and the lowest was seventeen point three points per game, which was Josh Allen during his rookie season where he was horrible, you know, through the air. So basically you're looking and by the way, an eighteen point per game average is basically a low ENQB one what we saw from a low ENQB one last year, So you're basically drafting Kyler Murray close to his floor and then obviously the ceiling is there if things really hit and mesh with Marvin Harrison, which I think we all kind of expect that to occur. Another thing I want to ask you about there are we know that underdog drafts, best ball drafts will skew wide receiver heavy, like we know it's gonna happen, But in these early drafts, it does seem like things are almost going a little bit too far. And I'm gonna be starting the Becoming a Best Ball bro podcast next week where I'm bringing on smart best ball players and some of the best in the world to ask them these questions as well. Do you think that people are going a little bit too far with with zero RB right now?

01:12:00
Speaker 2: I've honestly felt like that from the underdog perspective for the last like two years, two three years, and it's like we have such a young format with best Ball, and I feel like all of our takeaways looking at we're looking again, we always go back to we're looking at small samples and one season. If you're looking at from data points and building and structure, adding in all the context of injuries and how the year played out. One season, two seasons, it's still a small sample of like what's the best structure to draft and things like that. There's so much layering and context that goes into that. Yeah, I mean, I think like we've we've honestly gone a little bit too far on it, and I think we've pushed the running backs down to the point where it's like, I mean, because I know you stare at these drafts when you're in underdog drafts just like I do. It's like, Okay, what's the edge? If everybody is pushing this hard in one direction? How how how do you counteract that? Do you? I mean? You know, in some ways it's like, well you can't counteract the two much, or you get lost in the tidle way of a wide receivers and you look up and you emerge and you're like saying, Okay, well now it's round five and receivers are just whoof you know, So I think it's it's twofold. I think we have going a little bit too far with the running backs in the sense that the divide is too large from that like RB two RB three range and guys getting pushed that far down like I mean, and you know, we can talk a number of guys on here JJ where it's like crazy good volume projections and you're getting running backs in the seventies and eighties the hundreds that can outpace that that. If we're building best ball rosters, it's like, yeah, like they're really good, But are we going to get the difference maker guys at the top like the CMCs and looking at advanced rates and what it can be gen B the true bell cows of Breas and stuff like that. So I do think we've gotten a little bit out over our skis about all of the running back eight.

01:13:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of interesting because you have to play the game right on underdogged, like like you can't just be like, oh you, oh yeah, these running back the values are so great, So I'm just gonna keep gobbling up running well, then you're gonna be You're gonna look pretty rough at wide receiver because people aren't stopping at wide receiver, you know, and like our in your in your managed leagues and stuff, you're drafting, and you can kind of do that where you're going, You're you're doing the opposite, if you will, shout out Paul Paul Charchon who who uh you know did that years and years ago and created that or or and I think it was charged who did that. But yeah, like like the the idea that you could just gobble up a bunch of wide receivers instead of running backs while everyone's gobbling up running backs. That's fine because eventually in your home leagues and in managed leagues, teams will start to take the other position more because you have limited bench spots and you need to you you need to fill that. In best ball, you can go with a ton of wide receivers and get away with it and be okay with it and have a pretty fragile uh lineup and and have four or five running backs and and get away with that if things sort of break your way and you you're going with like a higher variance. Look, the thing that I see though, is that there's two guys in particular who I think are not being looked at as bell Cow's at all when I think they kind of are, and that one of them's Rashad White, who is currently going in like the early fifth round, and a lot of these drafts where like I don't really see a big difference at all between like a Rashad White and a Josh Jacobs. If anything, you could argue that Marshawn Lloyd is a much much bigger threat to Jacobs than Bucky Irving is to Rashad White. I know situation is a little bit different and all that, but to me, I just don't see why I don't I don't understand why there's a gap between that. And then Isaiah Pacheco's interesting to me too because we saw him get more receiving work last year. They didn't really do much either at the running back position, and so where's that competition going to like what's changing for p Checko? To me, those guys should be like those two guys in particular, should be like three four turn players versus the four or five turn guys that they are, And that is one of the more glaring like that's where the market probably has this a little bit wrong. But then you get into the ambiguous backfields and such, and that's where there's just a lot of value there, right And like you don't want to draft them much earlier because you can get this value late and you still need to get your wide receivers. But there's a lot of interesting ambiguous backfields that are out there that you can target right now. Do you have any favorites that you know, guys that are sort of in that, like that teammates together in that like RB twenty to RB forty range.

01:16:25
Speaker 2: I do. And to add on top of your last point too, I adamantly agree with you about Rashad White. I'll also add Joe Mixon, who is going right next to him as to say he should not be he should be going in the thirties, if if both of those guys should be going in the thirties. So I very much agree with that take. But yes, as far as the biggest backfields, I mean looking at where these backfields could sift out, Like I don't understand kind of what we're doing with Zamir White, Like he's in the seventies, but they didn't add anybody like he legit was averaging over twenty touches per game. He was and I know it was only a four game sample, so again like you know, the full season pay stuff, but I have a hard time believing. It's like, does he not get three hundred touches in this offense considering what he did last year and really did nothing changed, Like Demon Lobby, We really worried that much about Demon Lobby who went in the round six, who probably is not even the preferred passing down back in that depth chart. That's probably a mirror Adullah who still didn't even get on the field last year when Zamir White was the guy. But targeting's like looking at and he's the low hanging fruit because he's at RB twenty one. But I want to bring him up because I think he's undervalue. But as far as the other ambiguous backfield's like why are we letting Jamin Wright go all the way to in the one forty fives? Like it takes one injury to either like his out is just one injury, his out is one injury or things change for Raheem Oster or devine a Chan right if if one thing happens in a domino falls and he's the number two back in that backfield. We just saw this play out last year mostered in a Chan both eight, So why is he slipping to RB forty four in the one forty fives? That makes absolutely zero sense? And I can carve out the same guy that And I know you've talked about him on Dynasty pods and stuff, but talk about ambiguous backfields and nobody wants him. Why is Julia mcglofflin being left for dead? Denver did nothing to address that backfield outside of grabbing Audric Estimay, who profiles on early downs. So really, what he's the wrecked handcuffed to Javonte Williams And Javonte Williams last year was not the tackle breaking stud we have come to love in fantasy and just as a prospect over years and years and years. So why do we hate Jelu McLoughlin, Like, why is he being left in the RB fifties for a player that he is legit? And I said this early in the offseason, Jj, and do you tell me taught me off the ledge? Tell me I'm crazy here? But what is the big difference like in Julia McLoughlin and Devon a Chan Like he's to me, yes, offensive environment, but you're looking at similar archetypes you're looking at, you're buying into rbbcs, and there's a lot of context around the offense and the scoring potential, but super super freaking efficient. Like every metric that you pull up for McLoughlin. Last year he was top fifteen and everything. He's fifth and miss tackles, force per attempt, he was fourth in yards of the contact per attempt and yards per route run. We've seen previous iterations of Sean Payton offenses where he doesn't give a crap about the size of a guy. He's gonna use him in the passing game. And now we have a quarterback that's set to start now that is going to pepper the short and intermediate, and yet Jelum McLoughlin, in this ambiguous backfield is being left in the RB fifty range for dead, like he's some low hanging handcuff that doesn't even matter. And I don't really understand that. So I think there's a lot of different ways to go as well as I'll bring up one or two other guys here. Devin Singletary at RB thirty five with his volume expectations. I don't even care if you hate the giants that that is just crazy sauce to me, like he's gonna play all all the snaps unless he gets hurt. He's going to outpace that. Like legit, we could be talking about this year's Rashad White and that is.

01:20:13
Speaker 1: Yea's go ahead, j J. Well, No, the thing with Singletary that I think is interesting is that you could even because I I think Singletary is great to target and go after as like an RB three type for sure, but you could even not on the same team, but you could go after Tyrone Tracy if you want to too, just to because it's not that the cost isn't significant at all. Tracy. Tracy's going way way late, even still post draft, and so it's one of those things where like, you know, don't capture backfields in the same team, but you know, if you want to, if you're into Singletary, you can easily hedge that, very easily hedge that if you're doing a whole lot of drafts with with going with a guy like Tyrone Tracy. Let me ask you this the Tennessee backfield. Do you have a favorite in the Tennessee backfield?

01:20:57
Speaker 2: I don't, and I know it's probably wrong. I feel like with so many of these really juicy, ambiguous backfields, I feel like I'm avoiding the Tennessee backfield right now based off of cost and based off of I don't feel like I have a really good read on that backfield at all, because I feel like if Tony Pollard bounces back from what we saw, or hell, even if he's just the guy we saw down to the back end of last season, he's going to be better than what people think. As well as Taja Spears on a per touch basis was freaking awesome. Now, all Tennessee did was say, Okay, maybe the knee stuff and things like that, he's still gonna be involved too. Is like he's probably gonnaet one hundred and fifty, maybe he gets two hundred touches in this backfield, And that's one of the backfields I'm probably just avoiding right now because I look at where both of them are going in drafts, and I'm like, I can make the fade bet on other players, or I can feel like I can get similar volume maybe better offensive situations by going with Marshawn Lloyd at RB forty five and making the bet against Josh Jacobs, And what is going to be. I mean, I don't think it's anything crazy to say the Green Bay I think on a perp, you know they're gonna score more points this year than Tennessee or going with Jerome Ford, which it's like, do we know if Nick Chubb's gonna play a snap this year and he's being left hardy to.

01:22:15
Speaker 1: Like, very hard to draft Nick Chubb.

01:22:16
Speaker 2: He's being left at Jerome Ford is an rb Ford in drafts, and everybody's making the assumption that Nick Chubb even plays this season. I don't even know if we see that. So it's like when I'm looking at all of those other situations and then I'll look at Tennessee, I'm just like, eh, crap, I'll just take the value elsewhere.

01:22:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see him. I mean Cincinnati intriguing to you with with Moss and Brown or is that another one where you're or is the environment good enough where you're cool with with targeting that.

01:22:45
Speaker 2: I'm good with targeting them. I think that becomes a situation of they have to slip past their ADP, like like if I can get them, you know, six seven picks around after maybe where they go, or they slip in a draft where you know people just aren't looking at it, and you know, Zach Law falls or Chase Brown goes. That's where I think I'll get exposure to bout those guys in a situation where I think if Cincinnati really keeps, if they keep T Higgins and he's also not a guy that gets traded, we could just see Cincinnati, you know, finally or continued. However, when you want to look at it, continue to lean into the passing game and maybe have even better returns because Tyler Boyd has been a player who his his efficiency has been dipping off and cratering for the last few seasons. So now we get three wide receiver sets that are going to feature Jamar Chase, Jermaine Burton, and T Higgins, And in that kind of ilk, I think we hit a lot of Chase in the slot this year. I'm more likely to just invest in the area attack in Cincinnati more.

01:23:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, before I let you go, give me give me a couple other guys that you're targeting right now in these drafts.

01:23:49
Speaker 2: Oh best ball? I mean, I said, like, look, my favorite stack right now is Kyler Murray and Trey McBride. Some other guys that are percolating. I mean I mentioned Jade Daniels a few different times. Flowers again, I have to bring up a wide receiver here, because with how high wide receivers are going in drafts, it's almost you're kind of playing the game of I mean, he's wide receiver twenty five or thirty, but he's still going in the fifties. So it's like he's not that great a value. But I am very enamored in z Flowers. Again, I just think that this is an easy, strong bet to make. I mean, if he's going in the forties, that's fine. I think he can outpace it at wide receiver twenty five. Like looking at again, if even if you knew nothing else, JJ and you said, I just want to make a bet on a sophomore wide receivers, and sophomore wide receivers that had the draft capital flash in their first season are really strong bets to make. You could just take that and walk away from this and say I'm gonna draft a ton of eight Flowers. But if you also look at what happened last year, like whenever Andrews was on the field, he had he was eighteenth in target chare. He didn't get any end zone or red zone usage. And that's why it's like he wasn't scoring a lot of points. So when Andrews was out last season, so Week's eleven, through the rest of the season, including the playoffs, we saw Save Flowers in the first ten weeks get one freaking end zone target. After Andrews was out after Week eleven, he got six. So I think this year, as well as talking about Odell Beckham Junior is gone. Now we're talking about Okay, 're Sean Bateman's gonna be in the starting lineup, probably a full time player. If he's not, then we're go to be looking at Nelson Agalore or tes Walker. They're not target demanding guys. So does this passing attack now with Todd Munkin dialing up some more passing volume because the pace has gone up a ton in Baltimore, you're telling me that maybe this passing attack just truly condenses around Mark Andrews and Zay Flowers and say Flowers is just eating a twenty five twenty six percent targets here. Yeah, on a weekly basis. Okay, then he is being massively, massively undervalued.

01:25:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that call a lot man. Debro it was a pleasure as all. Why don't you let everyone know where they can find you and your work?

01:26:03
Speaker 2: Oh man, everything has been and still remains over Fantasy Pros. All my rookie stuff is already out. I've got Dynasty outlooks that have been added to over. I've got eighty plus skill players written up even UDFA guys, all the Dynasty positional primers are live on the site right now. Four and I talking about just putting a bow on this draft cycle. We just produced a two and a half hour cut into two episodes on two and a half hours straight on UDFA, So everybody go check that out if you're looking to fill all your Dynasty taxi squads and JJ. You know I greatly respect your work man. Anytime we get to chop it up and it's an awesome time. So thanks for having me.

01:26:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I really appreciate you in the time that you gave perspectives. As usual, you can find my workover on lateround dot com. Prospect Guide All done, I'm not touching that thing again until next year. And then also the Late Round Draft Guide will be ready for pre order soon and then next week we have becoming a best Ball bro starting. It's a lot of fun stuff. And then also I did release my redraft rankings on Patreon this week, which includes bestball rankings. You can get that CSV and upload it over to Underdog but everyone, thank you so much, and thank you as always for tuning in.