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The Vergecast is the flagship podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, hosts Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And every Tuesday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.
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The Vergecast is the flagship podcast from The Verge about small gadgets, Big Tech, and everything in between. Every Friday, hosts Nilay Patel and David Pierce hang out and make sense of the week’s most important technology news. And every Tuesday, David leads a selection of The Verge’s expert staffers in an exploration of how gadgets and software affect our lives – and which ones you should bring into yours.
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On this week’s Vergecast interview, Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to finance professor and an economist at the NYU stern school of business Thomas Philippon. Thomas just wrote a book called The Great Reversal: How America Gave Up on Free Markets all about competition and consolidation in different markets.

When Thomas moved to the United States from France in the 90s, he noticed everything from laptops to internet access was cheaper in America, but over time has gotten more and more expensive. In the interview Nilay and Thomas discuss why that is — unsurprisingly the answer is consolidation in a lot of our markets.

Thomas makes a point that in some places, concentrations are actually good and creates value for the consumers, but in some markets like healthcare, technology, and airtravel, that consolidation has resulted in way higher prices for Americans. Since the prices go up slowly, we don’t actually notice.

If you have been listening to The Vergecast and been paying attention to our big conversations about whether or not we should be breaking up big tech companies, whether we should regulate them, or whether tech companies with network effects like Google and Facebook are different than companies like AT&T and GE, this conversation is up your alley. Below is lightly edited except of the conversation.

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On this week’s Vergecast interview, Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to finance professor and an economist at the NYU stern school of business Thomas Philippon. Thomas just wrote a book called The Great Reversal: How America Gave Up on Free Markets all about competition and consolidation in different markets.

When Thomas moved to the United States from France in the 90s, he noticed everything from laptops to internet access was cheaper in America, but over time has gotten more and more expensive. In the interview Nilay and Thomas discuss why that is — unsurprisingly the answer is consolidation in a lot of our markets.

Thomas makes a point that in some places, concentrations are actually good and creates value for the consumers, but in some markets like healthcare, technology, and airtravel, that consolidation has resulted in way higher prices for Americans. Since the prices go up slowly, we don’t actually notice.

If you have been listening to The Vergecast and been paying attention to our big conversations about whether or not we should be breaking up big tech companies, whether we should regulate them, or whether tech companies with network effects like Google and Facebook are different than companies like AT&T and GE, this conversation is up your alley. Below is lightly edited except of the conversation.

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This week on The Vergecast, everything that happened at Adobe Max 2019, reviews for the Microsoft Surface Pro X and AirPods Pro, and missed text messages from Valentines Day.

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This week on The Vergecast, Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks with Jeremy Singer-Vine, the data editor for the BuzzFeed News investigative unit, about his story that was published recently regarding the fake comments on the Federal Communications Commission’s online net neutrality debate.

If you haven’t read the piece, you should. The investigation details where all of the fake comments in the FCC’s net neutrality process came from, including dead people leaving comments and shady political operatives involved in the scam.

It’s not really a story about net neutrality; rather, it’s about how systems designed for public participation in the government are so easily scammed, and what the challenges are for preventing such scams from happening.

Nilay and Jeremy discuss why it happened, how it happened, and what happens next if we want to use the internet to encourage open access participation in government without corruption.

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This week on The Vergecast, Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks with Jeremy Singer-Vine, the data editor for the BuzzFeed News investigative unit, about his story that was published recently regarding the fake comments on the Federal Communications Commission’s online net neutrality debate.

If you haven’t read the piece, you should. The investigation details where all of the fake comments in the FCC’s net neutrality process came from, including dead people leaving comments and shady political operatives involved in the scam.

It’s not really a story about net neutrality; rather, it’s about how systems designed for public participation in the government are so easily scammed, and what the challenges are for preventing such scams from happening.

Nilay and Jeremy discuss why it happened, how it happened, and what happens next if we want to use the internet to encourage open access participation in government without corruption.

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Live at The Glass Room in San Francisco, Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Ashley Carman are joined by Google Pixel camera product manager Isaac Reynolds and Instagram head of product Robby Stein to talk about how the photos we share influence the photos we take — and vice versa.

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Live at The Glass Room in San Francisco, Nilay Patel, Dieter Bohn, and Ashley Carman are joined by Google Pixel camera product manager Isaac Reynolds and Instagram head of product Robby Stein to talk about how the photos we share influence the photos we take — and vice versa.

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel interviews cryptocurrency expert Amber Baldet, co-founder of Clovyr and on the board of the Zcash foundation. Nilay and Amber discuss where cryptocurrencies on the blockchain are going, the potential of Facebook's Libra project, and how the blockchain can revive our trust in putting our data online.

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Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel interviews cryptocurrency expert Amber Baldet, co-founder of Clovyr and on the board of the Zcash foundation. Nilay and Amber discuss where cryptocurrencies on the blockchain are going, the potential of Facebook's Libra project, and how the blockchain can revive our trust in putting our data online.

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This week for our interview series on The Vergecast, host and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Gigi Sohn, a distinguished fellow at Georgetown Law’s Institute for Technology Law and Policy. We’ve had Gigi on the show before to talk about the ramifications following the repeal of net neutrality.

This time, we brought her back to talk about some recent developments in the tech policy world, including lawmakers in states like California introducing net neutrality bills.

We also talk to Gigi about the Sprint and T-Mobile merger and the issues surrounding how that merger will seemingly go through unless it’s stopped by a lawsuit from several states. Can Dish become a fourth mobile carrier?

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This week for our interview series on The Vergecast, host and Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to Gigi Sohn, a distinguished fellow at Georgetown Law’s Institute for Technology Law and Policy. We’ve had Gigi on the show before to talk about the ramifications following the repeal of net neutrality.

This time, we brought her back to talk about some recent developments in the tech policy world, including lawmakers in states like California introducing net neutrality bills.

We also talk to Gigi about the Sprint and T-Mobile merger and the issues surrounding how that merger will seemingly go through unless it’s stopped by a lawsuit from several states. Can Dish become a fourth mobile carrier?

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Vergecast hosts Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn attended Google's hardware event on Tuesday and sat down with SVP of Devices & Services Rick Osterloh to discuss Google's new products: the Pixel 4, the Pixelbook Go, the Nest Mini, and the Pixel Buds 2.

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Vergecast hosts Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn attended Google's hardware event on Tuesday and sat down with SVP of Devices & Services Rick Osterloh to discuss Google's new products: the Pixel 4, the Pixelbook Go, the Nest Mini, and the Pixel Buds 2.

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Twitter’s head of product Kayvon Beykpour sits down with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and Silicon Valley editor Casey Newton to talk about how Twitter juggles its policy with trust and safety, the state of verification, the future of video in your feed, and how tweets can become more ephemeral. 

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Twitter’s head of product Kayvon Beykpour sits down with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel and Silicon Valley editor Casey Newton to talk about how Twitter juggles its policy with trust and safety, the state of verification, the future of video in your feed, and how tweets can become more ephemeral. 

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This week on The Vergecast interview series, Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel speaks to current CEO of Logitech Bracken Darrell.

Logitech has acquired a couple of companies over the past few years, notably Blue Microphones and Ultimate Ears. Recently, Logitech acquired their first software company Streamlabs, a streaming software company used by almost half of all streamers on platforms like Twitch and YouTube.

Nilay and Bracken talk about how acquiring this software company makes sense for Logitech, its own hardware that works with Streamlabs, and what it’s like making hardware for big companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Google.

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This week on The Vergecast interview series, Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel speaks to current CEO of Logitech Bracken Darrell.

Logitech has acquired a couple of companies over the past few years, notably Blue Microphones and Ultimate Ears. Recently, Logitech acquired their first software company Streamlabs, a streaming software company used by almost half of all streamers on platforms like Twitch and YouTube.

Nilay and Bracken talk about how acquiring this software company makes sense for Logitech, its own hardware that works with Streamlabs, and what it’s like making hardware for big companies like Apple, Microsoft, and Google.

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Stories this week: Mark Zuckerberg leaked audioRead the full transcript of Mark Zuckerberg's leaked internal Facebook meetingsElizabeth Warren: companies like Facebook ‘repeatedly fumble their responsibility to protect our democracy’Microsoft is building a phone   again, it’s called the Surface DuoWindows 10X is Microsoft’s latest stab at a ‘Lite’ operating system, exclusively for dual-screensMicrosoft announces dual-screen Surface Neo, coming next holidayMicrosoft’s future is built on Google’s codeMicrosoft doesn’t think Windows is important anymoreA first look at Surface Duo, Microsoft’s foldable Android phoneMicrosoft Surface Neo first look: the future of Windows 10X is dual-screenInside Microsoft’s new custom Surface processors with AMD and QualcommMicrosoft announces Surface Pro 7 with long-awaited USB-C portThe Surface Pro X and Surface Laptop 3 are upgradable, but only a littleMicrosoft’s Surface Laptop 3 comes in two sizes and with two different processorsMicrosoft Surface Pro X and Surface Pro 7 hands-on: It’s ARM vs. IntelMicrosoft Surface Earbuds first listen: live transcribe your lifePolitical Operatives Are Faking Voter Outrage With Millions Of Made-Up Comments To Benefit The Rich and PowerfulThe FCC can repeal net neutrality, but it can’t block state laws, says court  iOS 13.1.1 now available with fixes for battery drain, third-party keyboard bug, and moreApple is fixing iOS 13’s bugs at a breakneck pace with another new update today

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Stories this week: Mark Zuckerberg leaked audioRead the full transcript of Mark Zuckerberg's leaked internal Facebook meetingsElizabeth Warren: companies like Facebook ‘repeatedly fumble their responsibility to protect our democracy’Microsoft is building a phone   again, it’s called the Surface DuoWindows 10X is Microsoft’s latest stab at a ‘Lite’ operating system, exclusively for dual-screensMicrosoft announces dual-screen Surface Neo, coming next holidayMicrosoft’s future is built on Google’s codeMicrosoft doesn’t think Windows is important anymoreA first look at Surface Duo, Microsoft’s foldable Android phoneMicrosoft Surface Neo first look: the future of Windows 10X is dual-screenInside Microsoft’s new custom Surface processors with AMD and QualcommMicrosoft announces Surface Pro 7 with long-awaited USB-C portThe Surface Pro X and Surface Laptop 3 are upgradable, but only a littleMicrosoft’s Surface Laptop 3 comes in two sizes and with two different processorsMicrosoft Surface Pro X and Surface Pro 7 hands-on: It’s ARM vs. IntelMicrosoft Surface Earbuds first listen: live transcribe your lifePolitical Operatives Are Faking Voter Outrage With Millions Of Made-Up Comments To Benefit The Rich and PowerfulThe FCC can repeal net neutrality, but it can’t block state laws, says court  iOS 13.1.1 now available with fixes for battery drain, third-party keyboard bug, and moreApple is fixing iOS 13’s bugs at a breakneck pace with another new update today

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Chief Product Officer of Microsoft Panos Panay joins editor-in-chief of The Verge Nilay Patel and senior editor Tom Warren hours after Microsoft’s Surface hardware event to talk about the new Surface lineup — including the debut of their foldable devices. 

Mr. Panay also talks about why Microsoft is using Android for their Duo device, their relationship with Google, and the future of dual-screen form factors. Below is a lightly edited transcript of the conversation. 

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Chief Product Officer of Microsoft Panos Panay joins editor-in-chief of The Verge Nilay Patel and senior editor Tom Warren hours after Microsoft’s Surface hardware event to talk about the new Surface lineup — including the debut of their foldable devices. 

Mr. Panay also talks about why Microsoft is using Android for their Duo device, their relationship with Google, and the future of dual-screen form factors. Below is a lightly edited transcript of the conversation. 

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This week on our Vergecast interview series, editor-in-chief of The Verge Nilay Patel chats with filmmaker Davis Guggenheim on his new documentary “Inside Bill’s Brain: Decoding Bill Gates” on Netflix.

Davis talks about how he got Bill Gates to participate in the film, the structure for the documentary, the most surprising thing he’s learned about Bill, and more.

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This week on our Vergecast interview series, editor-in-chief of The Verge Nilay Patel chats with filmmaker Davis Guggenheim on his new documentary “Inside Bill’s Brain: Decoding Bill Gates” on Netflix.

Davis talks about how he got Bill Gates to participate in the film, the structure for the documentary, the most surprising thing he’s learned about Bill, and more.

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Stories this week: Amazon pushes Alexa privacy with new delete optionsAmazon’s new Echo Studio sounds like the future of smart speakersThe top 8 Echo products Amazon announced todayHere are all of the other new Echo and Ring products announced todayAmazon announces third-generation Echo smart speakerAmazon’s new $59 Echo Dot with Clock includes an LED displayAmazon’s Echo Buds sound good and are great at noise reductionUsing Amazon’s Echo Loop ring is like whispering a secret to AlexaAmazon Echo Frames preview: trying on the Alexa smart glassesAmazon’s new Echo Loop puts Alexa in a discreet smart ringAmazon follows up its Alexa microwave with a new Alexa Smart OvenAmazon is simplifying device setup with ‘Certified for Humans’ programAmazon announces Fetch pet tracker that uses new Sidewalk networkingAmazon’s new Echo Flex lets you put Alexa everywhere in your homeAmazon’s Echo Glow is a $29 lamp for Alexa dance parties and bedtime storiesAll the new features coming to Alexa, including a new voice, frustration mode, and Samuel L. JacksonJeff Bezos says Amazon is writing its own facial recognition laws to pitch to lawmakersFacebook says it will build AR glasses and map the worldOculus will add new social features powered by FacebookOculus Link will let you plug your Quest headset into a gaming PC to play Rift gamesOculus is launching hand tracking on Quest next yearFacebook acquires neural interface startup CTRL-Labs for its mind-reading wristbandOculus CTO John Carmack says ‘we missed an opportunity’ as the Gear VR diesXiaomi’s Mi Mix Alpha is almost entirely made of screenThe OnePlus TV is finally here7 good and 3 bad things in iPadOSSamsung will let Galaxy Fold owners replace their screens once for $149

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Stories this week: Amazon pushes Alexa privacy with new delete optionsAmazon’s new Echo Studio sounds like the future of smart speakersThe top 8 Echo products Amazon announced todayHere are all of the other new Echo and Ring products announced todayAmazon announces third-generation Echo smart speakerAmazon’s new $59 Echo Dot with Clock includes an LED displayAmazon’s Echo Buds sound good and are great at noise reductionUsing Amazon’s Echo Loop ring is like whispering a secret to AlexaAmazon Echo Frames preview: trying on the Alexa smart glassesAmazon’s new Echo Loop puts Alexa in a discreet smart ringAmazon follows up its Alexa microwave with a new Alexa Smart OvenAmazon is simplifying device setup with ‘Certified for Humans’ programAmazon announces Fetch pet tracker that uses new Sidewalk networkingAmazon’s new Echo Flex lets you put Alexa everywhere in your homeAmazon’s Echo Glow is a $29 lamp for Alexa dance parties and bedtime storiesAll the new features coming to Alexa, including a new voice, frustration mode, and Samuel L. JacksonJeff Bezos says Amazon is writing its own facial recognition laws to pitch to lawmakersFacebook says it will build AR glasses and map the worldOculus will add new social features powered by FacebookOculus Link will let you plug your Quest headset into a gaming PC to play Rift gamesOculus is launching hand tracking on Quest next yearFacebook acquires neural interface startup CTRL-Labs for its mind-reading wristbandOculus CTO John Carmack says ‘we missed an opportunity’ as the Gear VR diesXiaomi’s Mi Mix Alpha is almost entirely made of screenThe OnePlus TV is finally here7 good and 3 bad things in iPadOSSamsung will let Galaxy Fold owners replace their screens once for $149

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John Gruber of Daring Fireball joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel for the annual iPhone review week to compare notes on Apple's new iPhone 11 and 11 Pro.

John and Nilay also get into their approach for reviewing tech products in 2019.

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John Gruber of Daring Fireball joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel for the annual iPhone review week to compare notes on Apple's new iPhone 11 and 11 Pro.

John and Nilay also get into their approach for reviewing tech products in 2019.

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This week on The Vergecast interview, Nilay Patel talks to music reporter and host of the The Verge video series Future of MusicDani Deahl.

Dani walks Nilay through two episodes of the brand new season — one about how music sampling has changed the way people are writing music, and the other about how the music streaming platforms are re-shaping the music industry.

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This week on The Vergecast interview, Nilay Patel talks to music reporter and host of the The Verge video series Future of MusicDani Deahl.

Dani walks Nilay through two episodes of the brand new season — one about how music sampling has changed the way people are writing music, and the other about how the music streaming platforms are re-shaping the music industry.

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Stories from this week: iPhone 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max: hands-on with Apple’s new flagship phonesApple’s new iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro cameras: what they doWith the iPhone 11 Pro, what does it even mean for a phone to be ‘pro’? Apple’s new iPhone finally sacrifices thinness for battery lifeThe 3 best and worst features of the iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro MaxThe iPhone 11 Pro comes with a USB-C 18W wall charger and USB-C to Lightning cableiPhone 11 improves on the XR in every wayiPhone 11: a first look at Apple’s new default iPhoneThe iPhone 11, Pro, and Pro Max will cost $699, $999, and $1,099, respectivelyAirDrop on the iPhone 11 will let you point at people to share photosApple’s iPhone 11 doesn’t have 5G because 5G isn’t ready for the iPhoneWhat we’re still waiting for after Apple’s iPhone 11 eventApple Watch Series 5: hands-on with the new generation smartwatchThe upgraded seventh-gen iPad has a 10.2-inch displayiPad 10.2-inch: hands-on with Apple’s new 7th-gen tabletApple Arcade is launching on September 19th for $4.99 a monthApple TV Plus one-year trial comes with every Apple device purchasHere’s Apple TV Plus’ launch lineupApple TV Plus launches on November 1st for $4.99 per monthGoogle takes one tiny step closer to the world beneath the worldGoogle Pixel 4 XL leaked in extensive hands-on videos …Leak reveals how the Pixel 4’s new face unlock setup differs …Leaked Google Pixel 4 photos show orange color variant …Leaked Google Pixel 4 promo video includes gestures …Latest Pixel 4 rumors claim 8x zoom, improved Night Sight …Leaked Google Pixel 4 XL pictures show off the giant top ...

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Stories from this week: iPhone 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max: hands-on with Apple’s new flagship phonesApple’s new iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro cameras: what they doWith the iPhone 11 Pro, what does it even mean for a phone to be ‘pro’? Apple’s new iPhone finally sacrifices thinness for battery lifeThe 3 best and worst features of the iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro MaxThe iPhone 11 Pro comes with a USB-C 18W wall charger and USB-C to Lightning cableiPhone 11 improves on the XR in every wayiPhone 11: a first look at Apple’s new default iPhoneThe iPhone 11, Pro, and Pro Max will cost $699, $999, and $1,099, respectivelyAirDrop on the iPhone 11 will let you point at people to share photosApple’s iPhone 11 doesn’t have 5G because 5G isn’t ready for the iPhoneWhat we’re still waiting for after Apple’s iPhone 11 eventApple Watch Series 5: hands-on with the new generation smartwatchThe upgraded seventh-gen iPad has a 10.2-inch displayiPad 10.2-inch: hands-on with Apple’s new 7th-gen tabletApple Arcade is launching on September 19th for $4.99 a monthApple TV Plus one-year trial comes with every Apple device purchasHere’s Apple TV Plus’ launch lineupApple TV Plus launches on November 1st for $4.99 per monthGoogle takes one tiny step closer to the world beneath the worldGoogle Pixel 4 XL leaked in extensive hands-on videos …Leak reveals how the Pixel 4’s new face unlock setup differs …Leaked Google Pixel 4 photos show orange color variant …Leaked Google Pixel 4 promo video includes gestures …Latest Pixel 4 rumors claim 8x zoom, improved Night Sight …Leaked Google Pixel 4 XL pictures show off the giant top ...

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On this week’ interview episode of The Vergecast, editor-in-chief of The Verge Nilay Patel sits down with New York Times reporter Mike Isaac. Isaac has been reporting on the ride-sharing company Uber for over five years now and just released a book all about Uber and the stories surrounding it called Super Pumped: The Battle for Uber.  

Nilay and Mike talk about how Uber got to where it is today, Uber’s interactions with companies like Apple and Google, and whether or not you have to be a “jerk” to start a company that changes the world. 

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On this week’ interview episode of The Vergecast, editor-in-chief of The Verge Nilay Patel sits down with New York Times reporter Mike Isaac. Isaac has been reporting on the ride-sharing company Uber for over five years now and just released a book all about Uber and the stories surrounding it called Super Pumped: The Battle for Uber.  

Nilay and Mike talk about how Uber got to where it is today, Uber’s interactions with companies like Apple and Google, and whether or not you have to be a “jerk” to start a company that changes the world. 

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CEO of Sonos Patrick Spence sat down with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel for The Vergecast once again, this time immediately after a Sonos press event in New York City. Sonos had just announced a few new products, notably their first Bluetooth speaker — the Sonos Move — so Spence answered some questions about those new products, what it took to finally bring Bluetooth to a Sonos device, and if Apple’s Siri will be coming to their speakers. 

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CEO of Sonos Patrick Spence sat down with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel for The Vergecast once again, this time immediately after a Sonos press event in New York City. Sonos had just announced a few new products, notably their first Bluetooth speaker — the Sonos Move — so Spence answered some questions about those new products, what it took to finally bring Bluetooth to a Sonos device, and if Apple’s Siri will be coming to their speakers. 

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Nilay Patel interviews Alex Stamos, director of Stanford's Internet Observatory and former chief security officer for Facebook. Nilay and Alex talk about how Cambridge Analytica changed Facebook, the tradeoffs big tech companies make with working with law enforcement and keeping users secure, and how prepared Facebook is for the next presidential election. 

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Nilay Patel interviews Alex Stamos, director of Stanford's Internet Observatory and former chief security officer for Facebook. Nilay and Alex talk about how Cambridge Analytica changed Facebook, the tradeoffs big tech companies make with working with law enforcement and keeping users secure, and how prepared Facebook is for the next presidential election. 

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The Verge's Makena Kelly and Nilay Patel sit down with senator and presidential candidate Michael Bennet to discuss his new book "Dividing America"

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Automattic just bought Tumblr from Verizon for reportedly 3 million dollars. CEO of Automattic Matt Mullenweg sits down with The Verge's Julia Alexander and Nilay Patel for this emergency episode of the Vergecast to share what his plans are for the micro-blogging platform. 

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Automattic just bought Tumblr from Verizon for reportedly 3 million dollars. CEO of Automattic Matt Mullenweg sits down with The Verge's Julia Alexander and Nilay Patel for this emergency episode of the Vergecast to share what his plans are for the micro-blogging platform. 

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This week on the Vergecast interview series, The Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel sits down with Berin Szóka, the president of TechFreedom. TechFreedom is a tech policy think tank based in Washington, DC that “digs deep into the hard policy and legal questions raised by technological change.”

Berin and Nilay have differed on a few issues regarding tech policy, like net neutrality, but what they do agree on is the state of the tech policy conversation — it’s bad. Szóka says Republicans he has previously worked with are now getting important topics like Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wrong, and bad-faith politicians are misinterpreting it to try to score points and pass policy in their favor.

Hear Berin talk about what’s happening now with legislation like Sen. Josh Hawley’s platform moderation bills, why it’s weird for conservatives to want to directly regulate speech on the internet, and how this might play out in the future. Below is a lightly edited excerpt of the conversation.

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This week on the Vergecast interview series, The Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel sits down with Berin Szóka, the president of TechFreedom. TechFreedom is a tech policy think tank based in Washington, DC that “digs deep into the hard policy and legal questions raised by technological change.”

Berin and Nilay have differed on a few issues regarding tech policy, like net neutrality, but what they do agree on is the state of the tech policy conversation — it’s bad. Szóka says Republicans he has previously worked with are now getting important topics like Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wrong, and bad-faith politicians are misinterpreting it to try to score points and pass policy in their favor.

Hear Berin talk about what’s happening now with legislation like Sen. Josh Hawley’s platform moderation bills, why it’s weird for conservatives to want to directly regulate speech on the internet, and how this might play out in the future. Below is a lightly edited excerpt of the conversation.

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Published 2019-08-06

Being hopeful about the web with Paul Ford

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This week on the interview episode of The Vergecast, editor of cheif of The Verge Nilay Patel sits down with CEO of Postlight Paul Ford.

Paul Ford co-founded Postlight in 2015 and is a writer, product strategist, educator, programmer, and software consultant.

If you read a lot of tech writing, you probably know Paul’s name. In 2015, Ford wrote an entire issue of Bloomberg’s Business Week titled “What is code?”  which colorfully explained how programming works on the web for people who don’t do it. Recently, he wrote a piece in Wired about how we should still be hopeful and excited about tech and what it can still do for us.

Theres a lot of negative conversation about tech lately — regulating huge companies, what Facebook and Amazon are doing wrong — but from someone who builds things for the web, Paul brings an optimistic look at how tech can positively and creatively impact our lives in a fun and exciting way.

Paul comes in to talk about his hopefulness, his piece in Wired, the state of building stuff for the web, and  how people think about tech today. 

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This week on the interview episode of The Vergecast, editor of cheif of The Verge Nilay Patel sits down with CEO of Postlight Paul Ford.

Paul Ford co-founded Postlight in 2015 and is a writer, product strategist, educator, programmer, and software consultant.

If you read a lot of tech writing, you probably know Paul’s name. In 2015, Ford wrote an entire issue of Bloomberg’s Business Week titled “What is code?”  which colorfully explained how programming works on the web for people who don’t do it. Recently, he wrote a piece in Wired about how we should still be hopeful and excited about tech and what it can still do for us.

Theres a lot of negative conversation about tech lately — regulating huge companies, what Facebook and Amazon are doing wrong — but from someone who builds things for the web, Paul brings an optimistic look at how tech can positively and creatively impact our lives in a fun and exciting way.

Paul comes in to talk about his hopefulness, his piece in Wired, the state of building stuff for the web, and  how people think about tech today. 

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Billionaire businessman Mark Cuban stops by to discuss his views on artificial intelligence, net neutrality, breaking up Big Tech, investment opportunities he’s excited about, and why he thinks Facebook’s Libra is dangerous. 

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Billionaire businessman Mark Cuban stops by to discuss his views on artificial intelligence, net neutrality, breaking up Big Tech, investment opportunities he’s excited about, and why he thinks Facebook’s Libra is dangerous. 

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Vox Senior Correspondent and host of The Weeds Matt Yglesias joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel in this special crossover episode to explain what Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which allows platforms to circumnavigate liability for user content, really means. They also discuss Elizabeth Warren’s proposal to break up big tech platforms, and how it may or may not fix anything.

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Vox Senior Correspondent and host of The Weeds Matt Yglesias joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel in this special crossover episode to explain what Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which allows platforms to circumnavigate liability for user content, really means. They also discuss Elizabeth Warren’s proposal to break up big tech platforms, and how it may or may not fix anything.

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Everything is too complicated. Asurion CEO Tony Detter joins Verge editor-in-chief, Nilay Patel to discuss simplifying our experience with tech products, the problems with closed eco-systems and why an insurance company like Asurion got involved with tech support.

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Everything is too complicated. Asurion CEO Tony Detter joins Verge editor-in-chief, Nilay Patel to discuss simplifying our experience with tech products, the problems with closed eco-systems and why an insurance company like Asurion got involved with tech support.

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It's been a year since net neutrality was repealed. Gigi Sohn, a distinguished fellow at Georgetown Law's Institute for Technology Law and Policy, chats with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about what's happened since by explaining the ripple effect of harmful policy decisions and more.

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It's been a year since net neutrality was repealed. Gigi Sohn, a distinguished fellow at Georgetown Law's Institute for Technology Law and Policy, chats with Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel about what's happened since by explaining the ripple effect of harmful policy decisions and more.

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What happens when your robot friend dies? Ashley Carman and Kaitlyn Tiffany of Why'd You Push That Button? explore the grieving community surrounding the short-lived social robot Jibo.

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What happens when your robot friend dies? Ashley Carman and Kaitlyn Tiffany of Why'd You Push That Button? explore the grieving community surrounding the short-lived social robot Jibo.

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Behind the screen: content moderation in the shadows of social media author Sarah T Roberts joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss the business and dark side of content moderation while pondering future solutions. 

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Behind the screen: content moderation in the shadows of social media author Sarah T Roberts joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss the business and dark side of content moderation while pondering future solutions. 

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Recode editor-at-large Kara Swisher joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss the possibilities of breaking up big tech companies like Google, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon. Kara also explains how the dominance of these four giant companies harms competition and innovation in Silicon Valley and why tech companies should be doing more to help.

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Recode editor-at-large Kara Swisher joins Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel to discuss the possibilities of breaking up big tech companies like Google, Apple, Facebook, and Amazon. Kara also explains how the dominance of these four giant companies harms competition and innovation in Silicon Valley and why tech companies should be doing more to help.

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Earlier this year, The Verge’s Casey Newton broke the story about the working conditions of Facebook moderators at a campus in Phoenix, AZ In his feature, “The Trauma Floor,” In his follow-up reporting “Bodies in Seats,” he discovered that the pattern of severe workplace conditions extends to a second campus. Nilay Patel and Casey Newton discuss a workplace in Tampa, FL plagued by fear and anxiety and worse.

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Earlier this year, The Verge’s Casey Newton broke the story about the working conditions of Facebook moderators at a campus in Phoenix, AZ In his feature, “The Trauma Floor,” In his follow-up reporting “Bodies in Seats,” he discovered that the pattern of severe workplace conditions extends to a second campus. Nilay Patel and Casey Newton discuss a workplace in Tampa, FL plagued by fear and anxiety and worse.

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Facebook executives Adam Mosseri and Andrew Bosworth sit down with The Verge’s Casey Newton at Code Conference to discuss antitrust and the prospect of breaking up Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp. They also discuss Facebook Portal, and how the company is adopting new approaches to privacy, content moderation, and more.

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Facebook executives Adam Mosseri and Andrew Bosworth sit down with The Verge’s Casey Newton at Code Conference to discuss antitrust and the prospect of breaking up Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp. They also discuss Facebook Portal, and how the company is adopting new approaches to privacy, content moderation, and more.

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Published 2019-06-15

Introducing Nice Try! Utopian

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Nice Try! is a new podcast from Curbed and the Vox Media Podcast Network that explores stories of people who have tried to design a better world, and what happens when those designs don't go according to plan. Season one, Utopian, follows Avery Trufelman on her quest to understand the perpetual search for the perfect place. Enjoy this special preview of the first episode, Jamestown: Utopian for Whom, and subscribe to Nice Try! for free in your favorite podcast app.

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Nice Try! is a new podcast from Curbed and the Vox Media Podcast Network that explores stories of people who have tried to design a better world, and what happens when those designs don't go according to plan. Season one, Utopian, follows Avery Trufelman on her quest to understand the perpetual search for the perfect place. Enjoy this special preview of the first episode, Jamestown: Utopian for Whom, and subscribe to Nice Try! for free in your favorite podcast app.

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Fresh off of Code Conference, Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki’s apology and difficult week, and consider whether there’s any viable alternative to Youtube. They also discuss the leaked photo of the upcoming Pixel 4. And later, a recap of what happened at E3 includes video game and hardware updates.

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Fresh off of Code Conference, Nilay, Dieter, and Paul discuss YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki’s apology and difficult week, and consider whether there’s any viable alternative to Youtube. They also discuss the leaked photo of the upcoming Pixel 4. And later, a recap of what happened at E3 includes video game and hardware updates.

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