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Ada Blackjack wants one thing: To make enough money to bring her son home from an orphanage. But good work is hard to find in 1920s Nome, Alaska, so when four strangers come to town, looking to hire someone for a secret yearlong expedition, Ada embarks on the trip—not knowing that she’ll be the only one of them to survive. 

This is the first episode of YWA correspondent Blair Braverman's new podcast, What to Carry, What to Burn. To hear the second half of Ada's story (also featuring Sarah Marshall!), visit the links below:

RSS feed: https://shows.acast.com/what-to-carry-what-to-burn

Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-to-carry-what-to-burn/id1896260781

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatToCarryPod

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4L7FCFQLcmG2NwPw7ayE1D

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What would you do for a desperation pie? Kitchen correspondent Sarah Archer is here to talk with Sarah about the American food trends that marked the 20th century and how they related to the political and cultural changes of a nation in need of constant culinary inventiveness. They discuss the specialties of the barren Depression Era, the food-related propaganda and rationing of the wartime years, the meteoric rise of post-war disposability, the premade mixes and “exotic” dishes of midcentury housewives, and the special tastes of Soviet Cold War diplomacy. Throughout the episode, they discuss the messages these eras transmitted to the women in charge of the kitchen and draw parallels to our new era of trad wife cooking and carnivore dieting. Digressions include the unique features of Star Trek aliens, why cottage cheese is the Cher of foods, and how ironing sheets can be a potent tool for procrastination.

More Sarah Archer:
https://www.sarah-archer.com/

Design for Dreaming 1956 appliance fantasy film: https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/design-for-dreaming-1956/

Midcentury Menu exhibition at the MFAH: https://www.mfah.org/art/exhibitions/midcentury-menu-dining-in-the-atomic-age

Meals with a Foreign Flair: https://archive.org/details/mealswithforeign00desm

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What would you do for a desperation pie? Kitchen correspondent Sarah Archer is here to talk with Sarah about the American food trends that marked the 20th century and how they related to the political and cultural changes of a nation in need of constant culinary inventiveness. They discuss the specialties of the barren Depression Era, the food-related propaganda and rationing of the wartime years, the meteoric rise of post-war disposability, the premade mixes and “exotic” dishes of midcentury housewives, and the special tastes of Soviet Cold War diplomacy. Throughout the episode, they discuss the messages these eras transmitted to the women in charge of the kitchen and draw parallels to our new era of trad wife cooking and carnivore dieting. Digressions include the unique features of Star Trek aliens, why cottage cheese is the Cher of foods, and how ironing sheets can be a potent tool for procrastination.

More Sarah Archer:
https://www.sarah-archer.com/

Design for Dreaming 1956 appliance fantasy film: https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/design-for-dreaming-1956/

Midcentury Menu exhibition at the MFAH: https://www.mfah.org/art/exhibitions/midcentury-menu-dining-in-the-atomic-age

Meals with a Foreign Flair: https://archive.org/details/mealswithforeign00desm

Edited + Produced by Miranda Zickler:
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Can you use the word in a sentence? For this episode, Spelling Correspondent Gabe Henry takes Sarah through the surprisingly rampageous (r-a-m-p-a-g-e-o-u-s) history of the Spelling Bee, a uniquely American phenomenon. From the earliest examples of late night “spelling matches,” to the rough-and-tumble contests of the early frontier, to the controversy of the first National spelling bee, it turns out that these mild-mannered academic flexes were once both raucous and revolutionary. Gabe also brings his own spelling bee to test the gifted child that still buzzes within Sarah Marshall. Digressions include Ben Franklin’s morning routine, why we need more statues of kids, and the Wolf Blitzer Hologram.

More Gabe Henry:

gabehenry.com

Gabe's book Enough is Enuf: Our Failed Attempts to Make English Easier to Spell 

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What do men really get up to at the pub? For this April Fools' Day episode, Sarah tells urban legend correspondent Chelsey Weber-Smith of American Hysteria the history and the mystery behind crop circles, those sophisticated patterns left imprinted in corn and wheat fields said to be made by alien beings. For years, no one could find a rational reason for their mysterious existence as they spread across various countries; that is, until a pair of surprising culprits finally came forward to reveal their master prank. Digressions include Ramona Quimby’s dad’s alma mater, sexy adaptations of costume drama novels, and the unrivaled power of shaky cam footage.

More Chelsey Weber-Smith:

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"Every Corn is a Glamorous Woman" is a semi-original song by Magpie Cinema Club (it's just "Rockabye")

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Free yourself. What does it take to get someone to leave a cult? What happens if the cult is all around us? In this episode, Ben Brock Johnson & Amory Sivertson of NPR’s Endless Thread podcast join Sarah for a discussion about the cultier aspects of our culture, politics, and history, from the surprising origin of the anti-vax movement to the online communities that conspiracy theories can provide to lonely seekers. Together they try to figure out if it is indeed possible to “deprogram” those who wander too far into conspiracies. Digressions include the TikTok Button Girl, chicken pox playtime, and the grave sin of sleep shaming.

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From the bonus vault!

What actually makes a movie “bad”? In this bonus episode, Paul Scheer and Amy Nicholson of the film podcast Unspooled tell Sarah the story of what many consider to be the worst film of all time: the 1987 adventure comedy Ishtar. From the movie’s chaotic production to its perplexing public ridicule, together they analyze whether Ishtar is as bad as people say or if our culture just loves to jump on a snarky bandwagon. Digressions include James Cameron schadenfreude, $19 AMC pretzels, and The Hangover for the AARP crowd.

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Do we ever finish surviving? Sarah tells Survival Correspondent Blair Braverman the incredible story of 11-year-old Terry Jo Duperrault, who was lost at sea for several days on a flimsy cork dinghy. She also explains the sinister truth behind the “accident” that set her adrift, her harrowing time on the open ocean, and what her life was like after she became a survivor. Along the way, Sarah and Blair discuss the tragedy of having your story silenced, the big things that help us pull through the impossible, and how, in Terry Jo’s case and in our own, survival is never really over. Digressions include: the iconic waterski teams of Green Bay, the usefulness of sled dog armpits, and whether or not we can trust handsome men.

Note: This episode is about surviving not just nature, but violent crime. This episode also involves suicide. Please listen with care.

Produced + edited by Miranda Zickler

More Blair Braverman:

Blair's new picture book, "The Day Leap Soared"

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Would you ride on the back of a random orca at the beach? For the final part of this series on Free Willy star Keiko, deep sea correspondent Brianna Bowman tells Sarah about his rewilding and return to the open ocean -- something that up until that point had never been done before. Digressions include introducing adult cats to each other, Fyre Fest, and the 27 club.

Produced + edited by Miranda Zickler

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Brianna's Website

Support Brianna's new podcast Rewilding Keiko on Patreon 

Submit a voicemail with your memories of Keiko at rewildingpodcast@outlook.com (Brianna's Note: yes, Outlook! I’m a weirdo)

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The movies freed Willy, but what about Keiko? For the second part of our trilogy on the biggest aquatic star of the 90s, deep sea correspondent Brianna Bowman takes Sarah through Keiko’s journey to the Oregon Coast Aquarium for rehabilitation and the developing plan to return him to the open ocean. But first, both marine scientists and rich benefactors have to try to teach a killer whale to be wild again. Digressions include the books of Jean Craighead George, the tragedy of the puns we missed, regurgitated meat influencers, and Star Trek IV. 

Produced + edited by Miranda Zickler

More Brianna Bowman:

Brianna's Website

Support Brianna's new podcast Rewilding Keiko on Patreon 

Submit a voicemail with your memories of Keiko at rewildingpodcast@outlook.com (Brianna's Note: yes, Outlook! I’m a weirdo)

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Can a killer whale really jump that high? For kids of the 90s, the adventure movie Free Willy introduced us to magic of the orca through its charismatic megafauna star, Keiko. In part one of our series, deep sea correspondent Brianna Bowman tells Sarah about his journey from free marine mammal to imprisoned entertainer to Hollywood royalty. Together they discuss what Keiko meant to them as kids, 1990s whale-related activism, and the follies of anthropomorphic projection. Digressions include the power of horse memoirs, the importance of cartoon eyebrows, and the uncommon honesty of the flea circus. 

Produced + edited by Miranda Zickler

More Brianna Bowman:

Brianna's Website

Support Brianna's new podcast Rewilding Keiko on Patreon 

Submit a voicemail with your memories of Keiko at rewildingpodcast@outlook.com (Brianna's Note: yes, Outlook! I’m a weirdo)

Linkedin (Brianna's Note: yes I am a double weirdo)

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“We’ve always been inventing and reinventing new worlds for taking care of each other. We just have to notice.”

We asked our subscribers to send us audio postcards to encapsulate where they live, what makes it special, and what people get wrong about the place that they call home. For this holiday season, we've woven together an aural tapestry from their answers to remind one another that no matter how far apart we are, no matter what people say about the places we come from, we still share small moments of beauty, connection, and hope.

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What happens when Santa trades his sleigh for a rocket ship? Christmas correspondent Sarah Archer tells Sarah about how the Cold War era affected the image of old Kris Kringle through the rampant consumerism and shiny new technology of a post-war economy. Digressions include Reagan’s girlypop diet, the Freudian aspects of the Nutcracker, and the thrilling history of aluminum. 

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Remember being a teen and coming up with “cool” ways of spelling common words? Well, just like the teenager it was, the United States in the 18th century was annoying their mom, England, with the hip words that were being edited and added to their lexicon. The antagonistic pair of nations on the brink of the Revolutionary War were always competing to prove their superiority and independence in small cultural battles, and words themselves were no different. 
Fellow word-nerd Gabe Henry, author of Enough Is Enuf: Our Failed Attempts to Make English Easier to Spell, joins Sarah as they chummily pun their way through the story of the 18th century Dictionary Wars, the story of the publishing battles fought between a handful of eccentric word-lovers in The US and England, all vying for the future supremacy of their own spellings. Digressions include crop circles from Unsolved Mysteries, dishonest detergent marketing, and old fashioned sock puppet accounts.

More Gabe Henry:

gabehenry.com

Enough Is Enuf: Our Failed Attempts to Make English Easier to Spell

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Listen now to the first episode of Sarah's new 8-part series with CBC Podcasts, The Devil You Know.

In the 1980s and 90s, Satan and his followers were accused of brainwashing children, sacrificing babies, and infiltrating North American society on a massive scale — yet these thousands of alleged Satanists were nowhere to be found. 

In this all new series, host Sarah Marshall explores the tangled web of the Satanic Panic, in a journey that will take you everywhere from Victoria, B.C. to rural Kentucky to San Antonio, Texas. This is a show about the people who experienced the panic in real-time — the believers, the skeptics, the bystanders, and the wrongfully-convicted. 

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What do you get when you combine a horror movie audience, a spiritualist séance, and a haunted house attraction? Beginning in the 1930s and lasting into the 1960s, midnight ghost shows were ghoulishly chaotic, wonderfully campy 4D theater performances that accompanied the scary movies of the era, beloved by a mostly-teenage audience who often became a part of the show themselves. Schlocky showman Chelsey Weber-Smith tells Sarah about how magicians-turned-ghostmasters used paranormal parlor tricks, gory skits, and marketing gimmicks to create a new form of vaudevillian dark comedy. As horror obsessives, Sarah and Chelsey muse about what it would have been like to attend one of these late night wacky fright fests that paved the way for the happily trashy theater camaraderie of The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Digressions include the resilience of the horseshoe crab, dollar store competition, and plot holes in the movie High Tension (2003).

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Original music in this episode is produced + performed by Magpie Cinema Club

(except for Harry Belafonte's Zombie Jamboree which is, in fact, from 1962.)

Listen to their cover of Season of the VVitch

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Are you a survival pessimist or a survival optimist? Blair Braverman surprises Sarah with a harrowing, heartening, and sometimes hilarious tale of love and endurance in the face of certain death, but you’ll have to listen to find out the seemingly impossible circumstances our subjects had to overcome. Digressions include Sarah’s flight simulation skills, David Goggins' morning routine, and the best way to design your character in The Oregon Trail computer game.

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Blair's new picture book, "The Day Leap Soared"

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Who really ended the Cold War, Ronald Reagan or a ten-year-old girl? Eighties correspondent Maris Kreizman joins us for a heartfelt conversation about America’s Youngest Ambassador, Samantha Smith, a child who wrote a letter to Soviet General Secretary Yuri Andropov in hopes of cooling nuclear tensions. Then, Andropov wrote back. Maris and Sarah discuss the burden we place on the youth to “change the world” while simultaneously scolding them for their naivety. Digressions include the millennial urge to cut up plastic soda can rings, Christina Applegate’s SNL infomercial, and an important lesson from the Golden Girls.

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Buy the book, I Want to Burn This Place Down

Subscribe to the newsletter, The Maris Review

Maris on Bluesky

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What do John Hinckley Jr. and a jazz age tuberculosis patient have in common? Legal correspondent ​​Mackenzie Joy Brennan takes Sarah through some of the strange cases that helped make—and break—the insanity defense in America. Our story includes a woman who carried her (alleged) victims’ bodies around in a suitcase, and the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan—carried out with the intention of impressing a young Jodie Foster.

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Can you find your way out of the maize? The corn maze has become an enduring attraction of the American autumnal experience, seen at touristy family farms next to pumpkin patches and haunted houses. But what are the historical roots of this iconic living puzzle? Sarah guides the eternally-lost Chelsey Weber-Smith through the twists and turns of the corn’s corridors and reveals the hidden architects that walk behind the rows.

More Chelsey Weber-Smith:

www.americanhysteriapodcast.com

Mr. Jeff's Labyrinth Typology Hand Out:

https://www.labyrinthos.net/Labyrinth%20Typology.pdf

The Labyrinthos Labyrinth and Maze Resource Photo Library and Archive:

https://www.labyrinthos.net/index.html

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In the second part of our series, pop culture historian Jamie Loftus takes us through the meteoric rise of Pee-wee Herman and the withering of Paul Reubens' world as dubious allegations surface that threaten to turn a beloved children’s character into a real life villain. Jamie tells us about his struggle to reconcile the character of Pee-wee with the real Paul Reubens, and how his longtime friendships became his sanctuary until the very end. 

Content Warning: This episode contains discussion of explicit materials involving minors 

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What’s today’s secret word? Paul Reubens spent years bringing to life one of America’s most beloved characters, Pee-wee Herman, an icon of joy for weirdos of all ages. In the first of this two part series, Pee-wee superfan-turned-historian Jamie Loftus lets us into the playhouse for a journey through Paul’s early life and art school days, his collaborations and relationships, and the beginnings of a kind of fame that would blur the line between character and creator.

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What happens when you’re just a little too good at forging the diaries of Adolf Hitler? And why did so many people want to read them? In 1983, the West German news magazine Stern bought sixty volumes of forged journals and held a press conference to announce their publication. This week, Adrian Daub of podcasts In Bed With the Right and The Feminist Present is here to tell us all about what would be the publishing hoax to end all hoaxes…if only the book in question wasn’t so boring. 

More about Adrian Daub:
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More about the Hitler Diaries (German language podcast):

https://www.stern.de/faking-hitler/

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Who is out there behind the howling midnight parties in the distance? For generations we have coexisted in varying degrees of rivalry, conflict, and admiration with the North American canine known as the coyote. From pre-colonization to our modern backyards, through the wild west and the streets of San Francisco, award-winning NPR science reporter and YWA Maligned Animal correspondent Lulu Miller takes our pack on a journey toward a better understanding of these resilient creatures.

*EDITOR'S NOTE: Lulu Miller would like to submit a correction to her statement that Ronald Reagan put a band on coyote poison, she actually meant Richard Nixon. Sarah would like to add that he grew up drinking raw milk and at least one of his brothers died of tuberculosis which really makes you think, doesn't it?

Terrestrials // “The Howler: The Dog Who Joined a Coyote Pack”
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab-kids/articles/the-howler-the-dog-who-joined-a-coyote-pack

More about Lulu Miller:
https://radiolab.org/team/lulu-miller

Visit Christine E. Wilkerson's website
https://scrappynaturalist.com/

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Where did all these teens come from? Harmony Colangelo, co-host of This Ends at Prom, is here to explain how, before Americans got to worry about what teenagers were up to, we first had to decide what they were—and how a boom in postwar educational films taught a generation of adolescents what not to do.

Skipper Learns a Lesson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8kJzBJrOkU
1950 Family Date: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8kJzBJrOkU

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Have you scrubbed down the top of your fridge lately? Home & garden correspondent Sarah Archer is here to tell us how and when we got so obsessed with the antiseptically clean house as a status symbol, and whether we really need to worry about every bit of dust on that baseboard.

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This week, flim flam correspondent and certified April Fool Chelsey Weber-Smith is here to talk about a fistful of fake memoirs, featuring girls raised by wolves; the chicken pox of James Frey; what poetry can give us that memoir can't; and Eugene, Oregon (twice!). 

Read more about it here:

The Smoking Gun's "A Million Little Lies" https://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/million-little-lies

Blake Eskin's "The Girl Who Cried Wolf" https://www.bostonmagazine.com/2008/08/18/the-girl-who-cried-wolf-a-holocaust-fairy-tale/

Michelle Dean's "Opal Whiteley's Riddles" https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/opal-whiteleys-riddles

Christopher L. Miller's Impostors https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/I/bo29203296.html


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At the end of our last episode, we asked you to call in and tell us what has been bringing you joy, connecting you to your community, and where you’ve been finding hope in these last few months. These are some of the responses we wanted to share in hopes that we can all find new ways to survive this world together. Thank you to all who sent us messages; though we couldn’t play them all, we felt inspired listening to each and every one.

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What do Lily Tomlin, Snow White, and Kenny Ortega have in common? They were all part of the 61st Academy Awards, a broadcast now remembered as the worst of all time, and masterminded by Allan Carr (lover of spectacle and producer of Grease). But awards season correspondent and New Yorker staff writer Michael Schulman is here to argue that the tackiest, most disastrous Oscars of all time might just be... unfairly maligned.

And to tell us what's bringing you joy and excitement right now, send us a voice memo (three minutes or shorter) at sloppyandalive (at) gmail (dot) com. We can't wait to hear from you.

Michael's book Oscar Wars

https://www.harpercollins.com/products/oscar-wars-michael-schulman?variant=41063519387682

Michael's New Yorker page

https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/michael-schulman

the video of the opening number

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mronRVvdmw

the video of Pee-wee and RoboCop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETFHeMSIMGc&t=63s

And the book Michael mentioned about Allan Carr, Party Animals, is here

https://www.dacapopress.com/titles/robert-hofler/party-animals/9780306818943/

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What is "emotional labor," and why is it probably not what your boyfriend accuses you of making him do when you want him to go to Ikea with you? Psychotherapist Ash Compton and journalist Rachel Monroe are here to tell the tale of how the term sociologist Arlie Russell Hochschild coined—in her 1983 book The Managed Heart—has come to mean, well, almost everything. How is the term still useful? How can we use therapy language as a tool for growth or an excuse for avoiding it? And whose job is it to do these dishes? Happy Valentine's Day from You're Wrong about and Bad Therapist.

Bad Therapist
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-therapist/id1780035004

Arlie Russell Hochschild
https://sociology.berkeley.edu/professor-emeritus/arlie-r-hochschild

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In County Kilkenny, Ireland, in an early year of a century not too long before our own, Alice Kyteler was accused of witchcraft. But the story doesn't end there. This week, Molly Aitken—author of BRIGHT I BURN—is here to tell us a tale where the more things* change, the more they stay the same. (*Men)

Read Molly's books:
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/2204198/molly-aitken/

This month's bonus episode on Peg Bracken's I Hate to Cook Book: https://www.patreon.com/posts/121131515?pr=true

LINKS! for fire relief and mutual aid:
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What would you do if you were pinned down by an 800-pound boulder, and no one knew where you were? In 2003, Aron Ralston had to answer that question. Today, our survival correspondent Blair Braverman is here to tell us the tale of the man, the myth, and the multitool.

Blair Braverman tells us how the legendary story of one good dog is actually a story of two good dogs. 

Read Blair’s book, Small Game:

https://www.indiebound.org/book/9780063066175

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There's one last present at the toe of our stocking, and it's a new album by producer Carolyn Kendrick. We'll be back with a regular episode next week, but for now, come listen to some music, and join us for a conversation about making art and community in uncertain times, and the new year's dreams that will sustain us in 2025.

Find Carolyn's songs, record, website, zine, and more here:

https://linktr.ee/carolynkendrick

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'Twas (the night before) the night before Christmas/ And all through the show/ We await Sarah Archer with eyes all aglow/ To blow the dust off some old books from the shelf/ And tell us the tale of a jolly old elf.

Where did he come from?/ Where is he going?/ We know you have questions/ So bundle up, if it's snowing/ And sing out your favorite holiday song/ (As ever, it was capitalism all along.) 

Sarah Archer's Website: 

https://www.sarah-archer.com/

The Santa files (containing images referenced in the show):

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Miles Klee can’t take it anymore. This week, a tale of corporate intrigue, world domination, and soda.

Read Miles Klee at Rolling Stone.

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"Our alleged serial killers deserve better than this." Was Elizabeth Báthory the most prolific serial killer of all time, or was she just in the wrong place at the wrong time? Do we even have the tools to know? And what about that bathing in the blood of virgins thing? Lizzie correspondent Princess Weekes is here with your election night distract-a-thon. 

Princess' YouTube Channel
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"Tall, Dark and Racially Ambiguous"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvg5nShcAOU

Find Princess on Bluesky
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Black cats and goblins and broomsticks and ghosts/ Covens of witches with all of their hosts/ You may think they scare me, you're probably right/ But American Hysteria's Chelsey Weber-Smith is on the show tonight. It's a tale of mischief, mayhem, and adults trying to keep their kids safe by nailing meat to the walls. What is Halloween? Can there be treats without tricks? And does it really count if no one's house gets egged?

If you liked this episode, consider attending A Massive Seance.

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I Was a Teenage Poltergeist
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What could possibly go wrong when two skeptical podcasters try to summon a ghost? Join Sarah and Chelsey Weber-Smith (of American Hysteria) for a historical, theatrical, ecstatic spectacular for the living and dead. Hold hands with your favorite disembodied voices for a spiritualist séance* featuring fireside conversation, mystifying tricks, special guests, and music from The Little Lies – the only Fleetwood Mac tribute band that may actually be ghosts. This winter, we will release the phantoms of the past year and make room for the spirit of the new.

Tickets are available here.

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DEC 3 + 4 | PORTLAND, OR | Aladdin Theater

DEC 11 | SEATTLE, WA | The Moore Theatre

JAN 11 | SAN FRANCISCO, CA | Palace of Fine Arts Theater

JAN 24 | LOS ANGELES, CA | The Regent Theater

Produced in collaboration with Woody Shticks + Miranda Zickler

*May contain exorcisms.

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Kellie Carter Jackson, author of We Refuse: A Forceful History of Black Resistance, is here to take us on a trip through American history where we learn about revolutions, change, and joy not from a few white men, but from generations of Black women.

Kellie Carter Jackson https://www.kelliecarterjackson.com/

Read We Refuse https://www.kelliecarterjackson.com/we-refuse

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"Times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress. As the Constitution endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom." 

— Justice Anthony Kennedy 

This week, Marcus McCann brings us to the end of our story of a few good men who challenged Texas' anti-sodomy law, and ended up changing the law of the land—and we ask what becomes of the people who bring the rest of us closer to freedom.

Dale Carpenter's book Flagrant Conduct: The Story of Lawrence v. Texas 

Marcus' book Park Cruising: What Happens When We Wander off the Path 

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Or, is it legal to have gay sex in your own home? This week, Marcus McCann takes us back to the 2003 Supreme Court case that challenged a Texas anti-sodomy law--with little stops along the way for Mexican food, the endowment of James Dean, and peevish police. (Part 2 coming next week!)

Dale Carpenter's book Flagrant Conduct: The Story of Lawrence v. Texas 

Marcus' book Park Cruising: What Happens When We Wander off the Path 

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"As long as the law is male, women must be outlaws." 

— Linnea Johnson 

This week, Moira Donegan takes us back to Chicago in 1969, when an underground feminist collective got fed up with doctors, and started providing abortions themselves. 

Moira's podcast In Bed with the Right
Moira in the Guardian
Moira on the tradwife

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This week we travel back to the 80s, when America’s parents decided to freak out over some kids rolling dice and drawing things on graph paper! Adrian Daub walks Sarah through the history of Dungeons & Dragons, and the panic it inspired. 

Content note: The story we're telling today also involves suicide; please listen with care. 

Find Adrian online here.

Buy his book The Cancel Culture Panic here. 

And check out this delightful 60 Minutes segment about the dangers of Dungeons & Dragons from 1985.

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Maggie Mertens tells us a tale of the first women who fought to run the marathon, and of one woman who decided to cut to the finish line.

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Find Maggie's book Better Faster Farther: How Running Changed Everything We Know About Women online here.

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What is “originalism,” and what does it have to do with all these bribes? Mackenzie Joy Brennan has some answers.

Find Mackenzie online here.

You can find Abortion Access Front online here.

"Anita Hill" episode of You're Wrong About.

The US supreme court just basically legalized bribery by Moira Donegan

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The city of Cleveland will not be made to apologize for its balloons. Harmony Colangelo defends the mistake on the lake.

You can find Harmony on This Ends at Prom. 

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This week, Taylor Lorenz fights our latest moral panic. Are phones really making kids anxious, or are kids just good at noticing what's going on? 

Listen to Taylor's podcast, Power User 

Read Taylor in the Washington Post 

...and her book, Extremely Online

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Alejandra Oliva, author of Rivermouth, came by to catch us up on the last few decades of American immigration policy--and to talk about how the world as we know it is not the world as it must be.

Alejandra's website:

olivalejandra.com

Read Rivermouth, out now in paperback:

https://bookshop.org/a/10832/9781662602672

Further Reading:

Greg Grandin The End of the Myth (2020)

Jonathan Blitzer Everyone Who is Gone is Here (2024) 

David Bacon The Right to Stay Home (2014) 

Dara Lind, "The disastrous, forgotten 1996 law that created today's immigration problem."  Vox, April 2016. 

Heather Timmons. "No one really knows what ICE is supposed to do. Politicians Love that." Quartz, July 2018. 

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https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/11515132/iirira-clinton-immigration
https://qz.com/1316098/what-is-ice-supposed-to-do-the-strange-history-of-us-immigration-and-customs-enforcement

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Sarah Archer came by to make an episode from scratch. What's the real history of the American housewife? Where did the tradwife come from, and why? Is she okay? Will we be okay? And who is she churning all that butter for? 

Sarah Archer's accompanying Substack post https://open.substack.com/pub/saraharcher/p/going-to-business

Sarah Archer's bibliography

Clips:

Mrs. Modern versus Mrs. Drudge from The Middleton Family at the 1939 New York World's Fair (produced by Westinghouse) https://youtu.be/vH2Lpl-UB64?si=vtVFAWhAvkDq-EOE

Design for Dreaming from General Motors 1956 Motorama featuring the Frigidaire “Kitchen of the Future” display https://youtu.be/4_ccAf82RQ8?si=mzVREYgY-d2yWcCl

“Total Electric Home,” Westinghouse, 1959 https://youtu.be/IRrMLaiiAGY?si=aoc-7PQfSQIEZW5r

The Frankfurt Kitchen at MoMA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T3EM872x-A

Articles Books and Pods:

Dolores Hayden, Grand Domestic Revolution: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262580557/the-grand-domestic-revolution/

Kathleen Belew, Bring the War Home: https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674286078

“Wife Sentences,” Moira Donegan https://www.bookforum.com/print/3004/lisa-selin-davis-s-confused-history-of-homemakers-25336

“Trad Wives,” In Bed with the Right https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-bed-with-the-right/id1696774612?i=1000651855063

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Today, Princess Weekes takes us to meet the real Rosa Parks.

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Princess’ video, “The 1920s Sex Scandal You’ve Never Heard of”

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Let's go outside in the sunshine. 

 An extended cut of this episode is available for Patreon and Apple Plus subscribers.

You can buy Marcus McCann's book, Park Cruising: What Happens When We Wander Off the Path, here.

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He turned a bright spark into a flame.

(Part 1 of 2!)

You can buy Marcus McCann's book, Park Cruising: What Happens When We Wander Off the Path, here.

Content warning: this episode briefly discusses suicide around minute 13.

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Sarah talks with Chelsey Weber-Smith, host of American Hysteria, about some of their favorite hoaxes—from the Loch Ness Monster to the Taco Liberty Bell—and ponder the value of pranks in a world of misinformation. 

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You can find American Hysteria here.

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Celebrity correspondent Eve Lindley came by to tell us about Britney Spears' memoir The Woman in Me. This is part one of a four-part saga we're currently releasing on Patreon and Apple Plus, and in this episode we get into Britney's family history, her childhood, her years of searching for stardom, and her life until the eve of "...Baby One More Time."

*A content warning—in this episode we talk about mental health struggles, and a part of the story around minute 22 involves suicide.

Eve Lindley on Instagram.

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In 1974, Robert Opel ran naked through the Academy Awards telecast, and into American history. Today, Michael Schulman, a staff writer at The New Yorker and the author of Oscar Wars, tells Sarah the story of gay history, art, and tragedy that happened after Robert’s fifteen minutes were over.

Read Michael’s work here.

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Blair Braverman tells us how the legendary story of one good dog is actually a story of two good dogs. 

Read Blair’s book, Small Game
Read Blair’s Patreon (and learn more about sled dogs!)

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This week, writer Miles Klee tells us why we have to take our shoes off at the airport.

Read Miles Klee at Rolling Stone.

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This week, Harmony Colangelo tiptoes through the tulips with us.
 
You can find Harmony at This Ends at Prom here!

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During what should’ve been Roe v. Wade’s 51st birthday week, Sarah and reproductive health policy reporter Megan Burbank take a look at the movement, decades in the making, to tear down abortion rights in America, starting with the hypocrisy at its root. Is what we know as the pro-life movement a religious effort or a political movement? And how did a veneer of sincere belief conceal a toxic combination of racism and fear of paying taxes? Join us as we take out the trash — and look for the helpers who are cleaning it up.

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Two recent pieces by Megan:

The Brand New Anti-Abortion Law That’s Steeped in an Old Moral Panic
Planned Parenthood awarded $110K after Spokane clinic protests

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Sarah teams up with writer and editor Julie Kliegman—author of the hotly anticipated book MIND GAME—to look back at tennis's Battle of the Sexes, between Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs (aka the Libber and the Lobber). No pigs were harmed in the making of this episode or in the Houston Astrodome on September 20, 1973.

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The Exorcist turns 50 this week, so we invited Marlena Williams, author of Night Mother: A Personal and Cultural History of the Exorcist, to come tell us about the little possession movie that changed America forever. Was the set cursed by Satan himself, or plain old 70s misogyny? What makes a country going through a cultural upheaval embrace stories about the Devil? And—the most critical question of all—do Ouija boards really cause possession? 

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“The creatures outside looked from influencer to human, and from human to influencer, and from human to influencer again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

Taylor Lorenz, author of Extremely Online, takes Sarah on a horror- and nostalgia-filled ride through the last twenty years of internet history. Then we try to make sense of what our internet future will be. 

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Mulder and Scully were busy this week, so Monroe and Marshall are on the case. Did UFOs really travel across the galaxy to experiment on American cows in the 1970s? And if so, why did they come back after fifty years?

You can find Rachel online here.
This episode was produced by Carolyn Kendrick.

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UFOs and a Horse Called Snippy
Mutilations of Cattle In Texas, Oklahoma Called Work of Cults
Six Cattle Found Dead in Texas With Their Tongues Missing
"UFO Secrecy extends to NASA; cattle mutilations confuse authorities"

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This week, celebrity correspondent Eve Lindley tells Sarah about why we should all be thankful for Amy Winehouse. Note: this episode depicts struggles with eating disorders, addiction and self harm. Please listen with care. We are thankful for you, too.

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This week, American Hysteria’s Chelsey Weber-Smith gives Sarah some exposure therapy.

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Forty whacks with a wet noodle, Bart! This week, Princess Weekes tells Sarah the true story of the crime of the century… the nineteenth century, that is.

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"What is it about the culture that has conditioned us to favor the wants and needs and desires, however horrible, of a serial murderer, as opposed to--most often--the women and girls that they harmed and killed?" This week, Sarah Weinman takes us on a backpacking trip through true crime history and American pop culture, and tells us about the myths and realities of criminal profiling—and why they're sometimes so hard to pull apart. And finally, we ask the ultimate taboo question: are serial killers boring?

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The Case of the Fake Sherlock
What lies beneath: the secrets of France’s top serial killer expert

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Here's one from our bonus vault: you sent in your stories about moments when you found yourselves changing your minds, and we listened. When do we do it? Why do we do it? What does it take? Here are some of your answers.

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Like so many other mostly imaginary topics, human trafficking is in the news again. Michael Hobbes—ever heard of him??—came by so Sarah could tell him about Sound of Freedom, a surprise hit summer movie that promises it can end child slavery, but only if you buy as many tickets as you can. Then, you can hear the episode we released on "human trafficking"—what it isn't, and what it is—back in 2019. 

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If Books Could Kill

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This week, Heather Radke brings us a tale of pageants, eugenics, and butts.

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You can see Norma/Norman here.

More on the Better Babies Pageants. 

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This week, Sarah tells her favorite kind of story to American Hysteria’s Chelsey Weber-Smith: one where two girls hoaxed the world without trying very hard.

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“Why don’t something happen?” Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow died in 1934, but their legend gets bigger every year. This week, Jamie Loftus brings us back to reality with a tale of prison breaks, FBI malfeasance, love, guitars, and hot dog breakfasts.

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This week, we bring you a re-release from our bonus vault as Sarah tells Carolyn Kendrick about the making of Fleetwood Mac’s Rumours. We learn about the worlds of songwriting and production, how the music business has changed since the 1970’s, and of course all the interpersonal relationships that make us love to love this band.

We will be back next week with a new episode.

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This week, Sports Illustrated’s Julie Kliegman volleys with Sarah about trans athlete Renée Richards’s fight for her right to play in the U.S. Open. They also dig into how the dialogue surrounding trans athletes has and hasn’t changed in the 40-plus years since. Plus, are tennis balls hollow? An investigation.

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Fly with us, lesbian seagull. This week Radiolab’s Lulu Miller brings us a story of queer nature and scientists in denial, featuring seagulls, penguins, rams, swans, dolphins, and—maybe the gayest animal of all—humans.

To learn more about the seagulls, and hear much more of Lulu’s story, check out Radiolab’s amazing new episode.

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“I felt that empathy like it was directed towards me, and it helped me feel like my unhappiness was enough.” On our fifth anniversary, we asked for your stories about what You’re Wrong About has meant to you. Here they are.

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“What if you were writing a profile on someone named Janet and I was your editor, and I was like, ‘I’m sorry, for balance, find someone who wants to kill Janet’?” This week, Tuck Woodstock, host of Gender Reveal, takes us on a journey through the New York Times’ coverage of trans issues—and in the end, he points the way to a better future.

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 In 1988, twenty-year-old American figure skater Debi Thomas headed to the Calgary Olympics to face off against East German juggernaut Katarina Witt. In the process, she became the first Black American in history to medal at a Winter Olympics. Then she disappeared from the sport. Where did she go, and who wasn’t there to catch her when she fell? This week, Leslie Gray Streeter tells Sarah about growing up watching Debi skate, where she is now, how her sport and her country failed her, and just how many people are missing from the stories we tell and the dreams we dream.

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Debi returns to the ice

Debi cover of TIME

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This week, we fight the real enemy with Allyson McCabe.
 
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You can find Allyson's book Why Sinéad O'Connor Matters here.

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This week, national treasure Amanda Knox talks with Sarah about what the American legal system claims to be for, what it’s actually doing, and what might be possible in the future. They entertain the most heretical ideas they can think of, which mostly seem to be about unconditional love and mercy. And at the end, Sarah’s ghost boyfriend Clarence Darrow turns up.
 
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This week, criminal justice correspondent Josie Duffy Rice dives into America’s obsession with prosecuting children. From 19th century houses of refuge to modern day detention centers, we comb through the tangled braids of juvenile incarceration, tough on crime fallacies, as well as criminality and its dark shadow of capitalism. Please take care while listening. 

Side bars include ice cream boats, Ronald Reagan, and Leonardo DiCaprio’s dating range.

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Unreformed: The Story of the Alabama Industrial School for Negro Childre

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This week, survival correspondent Blair Braverman tells Sarah the story of a Supertramp. In 1996, Jon Krakauer's book Into the Wild described a young man, Chris McCandless, who changed his name, walked into the Alaskan bush, and died after mistakenly eating a toxic plant. Or did he? Now, Sarah and Blair talk about the McCandless archive and its legacy in conversations around wilderness, Alaska, violence, and more.

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This week, a tale of two Shawns/Seans, their impossible dream, and the file sharing service that lived fast, died young, and helped create the internet as we know it. Plus, Metallica.

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Resources cited in the show introduction:

The Racial Roots Behind the Term "Nappy" on NPR's Code Switch
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/08/09/412886884/the-racial-roots-behind-the-term-nappy

The Complex History and Politicization of Black Hair in America, presented by Danielle Harvey
https://kisaradio.org/podcast-feature-the-complex-history-and-politicization-of-black-hair-in-america-presented-by-danielle-harvey/

Coiled by Leanne Aile
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/coiled/id1585408648

"The Other N-Word" by Shalwah Evans
https://www.essence.com/feature/is-nappy-negative-or-black-hair-empowerment/

"How Natural Black Hair at Work Became a Civil Rights Issue" by Chanté Griffin
https://daily.jstor.org/how-natural-black-hair-at-work-became-a-civil-rights-issue/

"The Natural Hair Movement" by Kamina Wilkerson
https://radar.auctr.edu/islandora/object/continuum:0001.008

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In this episode, Carolyn and Sarah follow Karen from the height of her fame through her struggle to find independence, her attempts at eating disorder recovery, and finally to her death on February 4, 1983, when she was just 32 years old. Then it's time to sing a song.

We extensively discuss eating disorders, disordered eating, and everything that goes with them in this episode. Please listen with care.

Additional CW: At 01:21:18 we use a term that evokes suicidal imagery. It is okay to pick back up at 01:21:21.

If you want to learn more, try Little Girl Blue by Randy L. Schmidt, our primary source for the information in this episode. 

Little Girl Blue: The Life of Karen Carpenter - Randy L. Schmidt - Google Books

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Long ago and oh so far away, Carolyn and Sarah fell in love with Karen Carpenter when they saw her drum. We examine her meteoric rise. 

CONTENT WARNING: Karen Carpenter died in 1983 of complications from an eating disorder. Most of our eating disorder discussion will take place in Part II, but we never quite get away from the topic here either. Please listen with care.

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On October 14, 1987, 18-month-old Jessica McClure fell down a well in Midland, Texas. This week, Sarah tells our survival correspondent, Blair Braverman, about the community that worked to rescue her, and the nation that watched.

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They’re winsome and soft and so fun to cuddle/ With one of Ty’s Beanie Babies, you could never go wrong/ But they were all born from a toxic puddle/ It really was capitalism all along.

This week, Jamie Loftus tells us the story of the greatest toy fad of the 90s, and liberates us from our tiny plastic boxes.
 
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Jamie's Website

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Put on your Docksiders for a stroll through history with Avery Trufelman, who shows us how Ivy style became “preppy,” and how preppy fashion escaped the campus and took over the world. We’re talking about clothing, class, race, and the American dream: you may be through with the polo shirt, but the polo shirt isn’t through with you.

Here's where to find Avery:

Articles of Interest on Substack
Articles of Interest podcast

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How did Poltergeist get that PG rating? Podcast legend Karina Longworth, host of You Must Remember This, takes us on a wild ride through a century or so of Hollywood history, and shows us what’s been left on the cutting room floor.

Here's where to find Karina:

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You Must Remember This

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Our survival correspondent Blair Braverman is here to tell us the story of Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571, which crashed in the Andes on October 13, 1972. Of the 45 people on board, 16 ultimately lived. Their survival made them heroes, until the way they survived shocked the world. This week, a story of glaciers, peanuts, and friendship.

Here's where to find Blair:

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Twitter
Small Game [book]

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“Abortion is healthcare and abortion is a human right. Abortion is racial justice. It’s economic justice. It’s at the intersection of every movement towards liberation. My abortion was a gift.” 

We asked you to share your abortion stories with us. Here they are. 

Contribute to the National Network of Abortion Funds here:

https://abortionfunds.org/donate/

What to do if you need an abortion:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/abortion

If you need help paying for an abortion:

 https://abortionfunds.org/need-abortion/

Shout Your Abortion is normalizing abortion and elevating safe paths to access, regardless of legality. SYA makes resources, campaigns, and media intended to arm existing activists, create new ones, and foster collective participation in abortion access all over the country.

https://shoutyourabortion.com/

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Why is it so hard to find the one thing you need? The Atlantic’s Amanda Mull is here to tell us the story of shopping, from the Silk Road to SHEIN hauls, and the story that emerges is one of workers turned against each other, and industrial byproducts reinvented as trends. 

Here's where to find Amanda:

The Atlantic
Twitter

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This week, Mike and Sarah reunite to hunt for serial killers, and try to figure out whether they’re really endangered. Digressions include crow funerals, Carrie Bradshaw, and how we feel about being called mom and dad.

An extended cut of this episode is also available for Patreon supporters and Apple + Podcast subscribers. 

Here's where to find Mike:

Newsletter
Twitter
Maintenance Phase 

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You may:

1. Travel on the established trail
2. Take the Hastings Cutoff

What is your choice?

Chelsey Weber-Smith (American Hysteria) tells Sarah about the Donner Party. 

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Website
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This week we’re taking the back roads with Rachel Monroe, who tells us how the most prolific serial killer in American history may have been something much more ordinary—and why we keep trying to make violent men seem much more powerful than they are. Digressions include Ann Rule, career burnout, and tires for serial killers.

Here's where to find Rachel:

Website
Twitter

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Here’s some money, go see a Porn War. This week we’re going on a field trip to Times Square with Nona Willis Aronowitz, author of Bad Sex, to learn about Deep Throat, “porno chic,” and the unresolved feminist battle over whether to eradicate pornography or make more of it. Digressions include Carol Clover, this discovery of the clitoris, and Harry Reems (Joel Reems’ distant cousin).

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Website
Bad Sex (book)

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This week, Eric Michael Garcia tells Sarah about America’s barely forgotten pastime, plus the Supreme Court’s long history of horrifying decisions. Digressions include due process, The Evil Dead, and what Hitler admired about the United States.

Here's where Eric:

Website
We're Not Broken: Changing the Autism Conversation

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Episode Resources:

https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-forgotten-lessons-of-the-american-eugenics-movement

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/reckoning-with-our-mistakes/

http://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/tree/512fa0d334c5399e2c000005#:~:text=Kellogg%20was%20a%20vocal%20eugenicist,hygiene%20(Kellogg%2C%201913)

https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-harvey-kellogg

http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/static/images/1013.html

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/274us200

https://eugenicsarchive.ca/discover/connections/530ba18176f0db569b00001b

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/adam-serwer-madison-grant-white-nationalism/583258/

Links:

http://www.ericmgarcia.net/
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This week Carmen and Sarah read the rest of Alice’s bitchin' diary, and ponder the truths that only lies can tell. Digressions include Pamela and Clarissa, sadistic switch hitters, and orange yeast rolls.

You can hear Part 1 here and Part 3 here. 

Here's where to find Carmen:

Website

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Sarah and Carmen complete their epic trilogy by meeting Rick Emerson on the edge of Mount Doom to discuss his book, Unmask Alice, and some of the story behind the diary that has captivated America—and informed its drug policy—for half a century. Digressions include multi-level marketing, Oceans Eleven, the Great Salt Lake.

You can hear Part 1 here and Part 2 here.

Here's where to find Rick and his book Unmask Alice: LSD, Satanic Panic, and the Imposter Behind the World's Most Notorious Diaries:

Website

Here's where to find Carmen:

Website

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This week we’re dishing up a mouthwatering feast of history, gossip, and white collar crime. Guest Sarah Archer tells the tale of Martha Stewart, a girl from New Jersey who achieved world domination by letting us look at her basket collection. Digressions include prairie dresses, condensed soups, and how to tell if your tween is reading Sunset Magazine.

Some Notes:

• K-Mart Commercial
• Early Martha Stewart Living TV show
• Martha on Letterman post-prison
• Snoop and Martha, 2008
• Martha's Princess Peony Announcement Part 1
• Martha's Princess Peony Announcement Part 2
• Martha and Snoop lighter ad
• SNL Martha / K-Mart bankruptcy 
• Everything Martha eats in a day

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Website
Twitter

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https://www.sarah-archer.com/
https://twitter.com/Sarcher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI7hGjIwRsY
https://youtu.be/6ko8WoHhmTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtZ2SZyJhgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ocre0kXgvg
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb5uPYlpZK7/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb5uPYlpZK7/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb5u2hqpHzW/
https://youtu.be/y8jAtLBF_Lk
https://youtu.be/Yme4gdvYi3U
https://youtu.be/lKh2IkbCbQo

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This week, Sarah tries to solve the mystery of the Dyatlov Pass Incident, in which nine experienced ski hikers fled their shelter and ran into the frigid night for reasons unknown. Digressions include yetis, snowmobiles, and Rachel Monroe. Sarah miraculous does not sing Rilo Kiley’s “Portions for Foxes.”

Some Notes:

• The New Yorker 
• The BBC
• Cracked
• Nature
• The Atlantic
• The New York Times

Here's where to find Blair:

Website
Twitter

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https://www.blairbraverman.com/
https://twitter.com/blairbraverman
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/17/has-an-old-soviet-mystery-at-last-been-solved
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/SoLiOdJyCK/mystery_of_dyatlov_pass
https://www.cracked.com/article_16671_6-famous-unsolved-mysteries-with-really-obvious-solutions.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00393-x?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_PRODUCT&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100094349&CJEVENT=89eb6401bf5311ec83a802f70a82b824
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/02/russia-dyatlov-pass-conspiracy-theory/605863/
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/02/russia-dyatlov-pass-conspiracy-theory/605863/
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https://www.teepublic.com/stores/youre-wrong-about
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Where did all these prisons come from? WBEZ’s Shannon Heffernan is here to give us part of the answer, which involves “small government” (of course), Lennie Briscoe (as always), the pink flowers of Alcatraz, and a prison sweepstakes that produced the actual worst song of the 80s.

Two quick corrections via Shannon:

"I said Illinois has potential plans to shrink one prison and close another. That was an error. Both plans are about shrinking facilities.  I said CO's have a life expectancy of 56 years, the stat I meant to quote is 59 but since our interview, I discovered that statistic (and the stat about divorce) to be from studies/sources that are considered very weak so I've stopped using them."

Here's where to find Shannon:

Website
Twitter
Motive (podcast)

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https://www.wbez.org/staff/288/shannon-heffernan
https://twitter.com/shannon_h
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This week we begin our journey into the totally true not at all made up diary that has been scaring America’s teens for fifty years. Digressions include Jell-O, magic mushrooms, and ironing your hair, and Sarah promises to trip with Carmen. “Button, Button” is by Richard Matheson.

You can hear Part 2 here and Part 3 here.

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Website

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We want to play a game. This week, Dana Schwartz stuffs us in an iron maiden and explains why the most famous Medieval torture devices are none of the above. Digressions include the Kings Cross Wax Museum, getting stabbed in the butt, and the pivot to video era.

Links to stuff discussed within:

5 Of The Most Gruesome Medieval Torture Devices [Buzzfeed]
Sutton hoo artifact [1]
Sutton hoo artifact [2]
Coat of shame [1]
Coat of shame [2]

Here's where to find Dana:

Noble Blood [podcast] and Anatomy, A Love Story [novel]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2Se3knPozM&ab_channel=BuzzFeedVideo
https://www.britishmuseum.org/sites/default/files/styles/uncropped_medium/public/2019-10/gold-belt-buckle-sutton-hoo-british-museum-1000-500.jpg?itok=Tz1nO2MR
https://www.britishmuseum.org/sites/default/files/styles/uncropped_medium/public/2019-10/Purse%20lid%20from%20the%20ship-burial%20at%20Sutton%20Hoo%2C%20British%20Musem.jpg?itok=Ggs9B9_Y
https://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/Coat-of-Shame.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/82/Spansk_kappe_%282%29.jpg/440px-Spansk_kappe_%282%29.jpg

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How did the information superhighway get so gridlocked? Guest Anne Helen Petersen tells Sarah the story of how email took over the world and our working lives, and what it would mean for us to get a little of our lost time back. Plus, a Kurt Loder cameo.

Here’s where to find Anne:

• Twitter
• Substack

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What do Chopin, Kylie Jenner, baby carrots, and the War of the Worlds all have in common? They’re all part of Sarah and Chelsey Weber-Smith’s speedrun  through common misconceptions—plus a little Satanic Panic, as a treat.

Here’s where to find Chelsey:

Chelsey + American Hysteria

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Sarah's other show, You Are Good
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Some links + ephemera referred to in this episode:

• Baby Carrots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzxwRmsCRb4
• War of the Worlds: https://slate.com/culture/2013/10/orson-welles-war-of-the-worlds-panic-myth-the-infamous-radio-broadcast-did-not-cause-a-nationwide-hysteria.html
• Juliet's Balcony: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/10/romeo-and-juliets-balcony-scene-doesnt-exist/381969/
• Is that a chicken: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UxxGOYmC1u0
  
  

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Laci Mosley (Scam Goddess) tells Sarah about Linda Taylor and the origins of the Welfare Queen myth ("the build the wall" of the 70s). They also discuss the origins of the Ronald Reagan myth, and how the latter used the former to become the "Beyoncé of the GOP."

Here’s where to find Laci:

Laci on Twitter
Laci's podcast Scam Goddess

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Some articles referred to in this episode:

• http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/12/linda_taylor_welfare_queen_ronald_reagan_made_her_a_notorious_american_villain.html
• https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/the-queen-linda-taylor-welfare-reagan-podcast.html
• https://www.littlebrown.com/titles/josh-levin/the-queen/9780316513272/
• https://www.earwolf.com/episode/the-welfare-queen-w-ayo-edebiri/
• https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen

 Links:
 
https://twitter.com/DivaLaci
https://www.earwolf.com/show/scam-goddess/
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What if there is no tomorrow? There wasn’t one today. Josh Gondelman is here to laugh and cry with us, and to unpack the heaps of big feelings in Groundhog Day. 

Subscribe to You Are Good here.

Josh Gondelman can be found on Twitter and right here.

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Josie Duffy Rice and Sarah discuss the role of junk science in the criminal justice system. It is a big turkey to carve up and Josie serves Sarah a bleakly empowering feast.
 
 Here’s where to find Josie

Josie on Twitter
Josie's website

Correction (February 22, 2022): The initial release of this episode included the suggestion that medical examiners do not need MDs. In the unedited conversation, Josie corrected herself on this point, but we inadvertently removed it in the edit. The episode has since been edited to remove any confusion regarding this point.

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• https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-forensic-science-commission-blood-spatter-evidence-testimony-murder-case-joe-bryan
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTa-PWdjX-Q
• https://features.propublica.org/blood-spatter/joe-bryan-conviction-blood-spatter-forensic-evidence/
• https://forensicdental.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/bitemark-analysis-problems-disclosed-10-years-ago-by-cbs-60-minutes/

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In this final installment of the Amityville Horror Winter Book Club, Sarah tells guest host Jamie Loftus about Jodie the Demon Pig's scary hooves, the catharsis of exorcism, and how the book kinda debunks itself.

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Willa Paskin (of Slate's Decoder Ring) brings Sarah back to 2005, when Tom Cruise jumping on a couch became the talk of the town.

We will return to Amityville (part 3 of 3) next time!
 
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Oprah episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=930BhfJxFxU

Tom Cruise Kills Oprah meme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRbhE3GRiUE

Amy Nicholson's revelatory piece reframing Tom Cruise and the couch jump: https://www.laweekly.com/how-youtube-and-internet-journalism-destroyed-tom-cruise-our-last-real-movie-star/

Rich Juzwiak piece on the meaning of the couch jump: https://www.gawker.com/5912665/gone-and-back-tom-cruises-couch-jumping-remembered

New York Times hand wringing about the event: 

• https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/02/movies/how-personal-is-too-personal-for-a-star-like-tom-cruise.html
• https://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/22/fashion/sundaystyles/i-love-you-with-all-my-hype.html
• https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/opinion/two-top-guns-shoot-blanks.html

A few other interesting, what it all meant pieces:

• https://www.laineygossip.com/looking-back-on-tom-cruise-maniacal-couch-jumping-on-oprah-fifteen-years-later/66337
• https://www.theringer.com/tv/2018/8/1/17631658/tom-cruise-oprah-couch-jump

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Jessica Chastain and Sarah discuss Tammy Faye Bakker. Chastain is the star and a producer of the new film The Eyes of Tammy Faye. 

After Jessica and Sarah’s chat, they introduce this episode about Tammy Faye Bakker and Jessica Hahn from the early days of You’re Wrong About.

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“She only said one thing her whole life”: Sarah tells Mike how two decent women became scapegoats for the actions of one terrible man. Digressions include Larry Flynt, NPR tote bags and Playboy back issues. This episode contains a detailed description of a sexual assault [01:02:40 - 01:17:05]

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Sarah continues telling guest host Jamie Loftus about the Amityville Horror, and the two touch on ghosts, fallen angels, poltergeists, the space race and intimidating pictures of Mandy Moore.
 
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Sarah tells guest host Jamie Loftus about the Amityville Horror, how it’s a Christmas story, and why buying murder furniture might not be such a great idea.
 
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Jamelle Bouie explains to Sarah what the Reconstruction era was, why it remains relevant today, and how this history lesson is one that could get some high school teachers into legal trouble due to passage of anti-CRT laws.

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Emma Berquist stops by to tell us about how true crime doesn't have to make us better people, and in fact may be more harmful to us than we realize—but we don't let her in, because we don't want to get KILLED!

Content advisory: This episode contains some brief descriptions of a violent knife attack.

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Special Guest Jamie Loftus tells Sarah about Ed and Lorraine Warren (of The Conjuring and Annabelle fame). Topics of interest include Connecticut as a locus of scary happenings, New England uncles, and psychic communication with a tearstained Bigfoot. 

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Special guest Dana Schwartz tells Sarah about Catherine the Great. Topics of interest include the very not great life of serfs, the accidental flattening of women via the girl-bossification of history, and a very solid Bertie Wooster reference.

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From our friends at Maintenance Phase, the story of how Nestlé executives, global health institutions and a very racist white lady seeded a nutritional myth we're still living with today.

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Mike tells Sarah how a tragic story became a national punchline and a decades-long moral panic. Digressions include a sympathetic psychic, a paternalistic principal and a manure mishap. Mike appears to be unaware of the difference between a cousin and a nephew.

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• The Beginning And The Possible End Of The Rise Of Modern American Tort Law
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• Blocking the Courthouse Door: How the Republican Party and Its Corporate Allies Are Taking Away Your Right to Sue

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This week, the defense hires Alan Dershowitz, Marcia Clark questions witnesses and Jill Shively tries to get a salad. Digressions include narcissism, "Hard Copy" and the dad from "The Wonder Years." Susan Herman, the voice of reason in our Charlie Rose clip, is the Ruth Bader Ginsburg Professor of Law at Brooklyn Law School.

This episode includes descriptions of domestic violence.

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This week we debunk Mike Warnke right out of his cabin and into the lake, using Cornerstone Magazine’s long overdue exposé as our guide. Digressions include "Star Trek," a classic New Yorker cover and Ariana Grande. We definitively conclude that the Bible endorses cancel culture.
This episode, we’re sorry to say, includes detailed descriptions of domestic abuse.

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We finish our San Bernardino joyride through Mike Warnke’s 1972 “memoir” with a hex, a horrible crime and a Satanic celebrity cameo. Digressions include digressions include Billie Eilish, wicker men and today’s completely new and not at all throwback panic over critical race theory.

This episode includes a wildly fake but nonetheless disturbing description of a sexual assault.

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We continue our journey through Mike Warnke's 1972 "memoir" about his rise through the ranks of Satan Inc.  This week, Mike gets a promotion, attends a regional conference and dabbles in some light human trafficking. Despite filling this book with his wildest imaginings, he cannot conceive of a non-patriarchal institution.

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Sarah and Mike return to Camp You're Wrong About for another Satanic Panic story hour. This time we're talking about Mike Warnke's 1972 "memoir" about joining a demonic cult and the California hedonism that made him do it. Digressions include thrift stores, "Firestarter" and unjust Best Picture winners.

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Mike and Sarah have big feelings about an enduring debate. Digressions include “Carrie,” party planning etiquette and Whole Foods cafeterias. Sarah’s sound quality changes midway through because she moves from a McDonald’s parking lot to a Hardee’s parking lot.

Special thanks to Meredith Clark and Allissa Richardson for helping us with the history section of this episode!

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• Natalie Wynn's "Canceling" 
• Drag Them: A brief etymology of so-called “cancel culture”
• The Long and Tortured History of Cancel Culture
• The strange journey of ‘cancel,’ from a Black-culture punchline to a White-grievance watchword
• Why Attacking ‘Cancel Culture’ And ‘Woke’ People Is Becoming The GOP’s New Political Strategy
• Tales From the Teenage Cancel Culture
• Generational Cycles in American Politics, 1952–2016
• It’s Not Callout Culture. It’s Accountability.
• An Incomplete (but growing) History of Harassment Campaigns since 2003
• The State of Online Harassment
• “Did We Create This Monster?” How Twitter Turned Toxic 
• Morally Motivated Networked Harassment as Normative Reinforcement
  
  

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Mike tells Sarah about an impending conflict, a dissident singer and America's first internet-enabled cancellation. Digressions include "Freedom Fries" and 1990s record company shenanigans. The co-hosts harmonize for the first time; Mike struggles not to call the Chicks by their former name.

Content note: This episode includes misogynistic, racist and fatphobic language.

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• Karen Pittelman's "Another Country"
• James Dickerson’s “Dixie Chicks: Down-Home and Backstage”
• Elites, Masses, and Media 
• Too Famous to Protest: Far-Right Online Community Bonding Over Collective Desecration of Colin Kaepernick, Fame, and Celebrity Activism
• Blacklists: The Dixie Chicks Controversy 
• Chicks in the Wilderness
• Chicks In the Line of Fire
• The Dixie Chicks Were Cancelled For Criticizing The President. Now, They’re Heroes.
• We’re Changing The Way We Do Business: A Critical Analysis Of The Dixie Chicks And The Country Music Industry
• The Country Connection: Country Music, 9/11, and the War on Terrorism
• Free Expression After September 11th: An Online Index
• Freedom Under Fire: Dissent in Post-9/11 America
• Exploring Iraq War News Coverage and a New Form of Censorship
• The LSE's analysis of the Freedom Fries controversy
• Destroying The Dixie Chicks – Ten Years After
• AOC’s Anti-Fans
• Racial Profiling And The War On Terror: Changing Trends And Perspectives
• Man Eats Dogs: The Hot Dog Stands of Chicago 

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Mike tells Sarah how liberal magazines turned a "kids these days" moral panic into a national crisis. Digressions include Law & Order, Dave Foley and swimming pool etiquette. This episode contains detailed descriptions of sexual assault, mass shootings and suicide.

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• Neil Gross’s Why Are Professors Liberal and Why Do Conservatives Care?
• Political Correctness: How The Right Invented A Phantom Enemy
• The Fraying Of America
• The Rising Hegemony of the Politically Correct
• Are You Telling Me That I'm Politically Correct?
• Are You Politically Correct?
• The Rising Hegemony of the Politically Correct
• There Is No Campus Free Speech Crisis: A Close Look at the Evidence

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Bob Shapiro is on a mission from God, F. Lee Bailey joins the Dream Team, and we get in our DeLorean to meet two of the most notorious Florida Men of the '60s: Carl Coppolino and Murph the Surf. Digressions include Linda Evangelista, Patty Hearst, "The Commitments" and the upside of peaking in your 50s.

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Special guest Cassie da Costa tells Mike and Sarah how Vanessa fell from grace and picked herself back up. Digressions include Stephen Sondheim, Rush Limbaugh and Joan Rivers. The tyranny of abs is discussed at length.

Here's Cassie's episode of You Must Remember This and her website!

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Mike reached new levels of rantiness on his other show and we wanted to make sure all our beloved debunkmates knew. PLUS: A special announcement!

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Mike tells Sarah how a 20-year-old singer, actress and French horn player became Miss America with less than six months of practice. Digressions include Ted Bundy, Stephen King’s “It” and a bonus debunking of the "bra-burning feminist" trope. We're sorry to say that this episode includes a description of child sexual abuse. 

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• Vanessa and Helen’s memoir, “You Have No Idea”
• Margot Mifflin’s “Looking for Miss America”
• Vanessa Williams, Whitney Houston and Hollywood’s Misogynoir Problem
• Vanessa Williams: A Beauty Queen’s Crown of Thorns
• Miss America--The Inside Story
• First Black Miss America Finds Unforeseen Issues
• Ain’t I a Beauty Queen?: Black Women, Beauty, and the Politics of Race 
• Life with Daughters: Watching the Miss America Pageant
• 'A Felony Just to Own': The Sleazy Story Behind Penthouse’s Most Controversial Issue
• There She Goes, Miss America
• Most Famous Miss America In History
• 1989 People magazine article
• In Black and White
• Putting on a Happy Face

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Sarah's other show has a special guest! Maintenance Phase co-host Aubrey Gordon visits Why Are Dads to talk about Christopher Nolan, trash masculinity and the dwindling number of non-problematic superheroes.

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To tell the story of the "dream team" we must begin by going back to the future. This week we learn why O.J. Simpson fired the man who defended John DeLorean and why a briefcase of cocaine isn’t always a smoking gun. Digressions include Bob’s Big Boy, Margaret Thatcher and the Fonz. 

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• The "better than gold" tape 
• John DeLorean Reinvented The Dream Car. Then He Totaled It.
• Delorean is Freed 
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Mike tells Sarah the real reason Congress called a bunch of rockers to Washington D.C. Digressions include cartoon violence, sleeveless tees and Trixie Mattel. Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" and Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" are dissected at length. 

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• The hearing transcript 
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• Running with the Devil: Power, Gender, and Madness in Heavy Metal Music
• Music-Evoked Emotions—Current Studies
•  Don’t Let The Man Get You Down: Rock and Roll and The Development of The Parents’ Music Resource Center
• Save the Children: The Parents’ Music Resource Center and Media Activism
• Highway to Hell: Laws, Lawsuits, and Moral Panic over Heavy Metal Music
• The Parents’ Music Resource Center: From Information to Censorship
• “Leer-Ics” or Lyrics: Teenage Impressions of Rock 'n' Roll
• Parental Advisory – Explicit Content: The Parents Music Resource Center, Conservative Music Censorship, and the Protection of Children
• Andrew Hartman’s A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars
• The Effects of Violent Music on Children and Adolescents
• A Comparative Historical Analysis of Post-war Moral Panics and the Construction of Youth from 1938 to 2010

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Mike tells Sarah how a congressional wife started a moral crusade. Digressions include Sheena Easton, Satanic rhymes and teen homicide statistics. Ozzy Osbourne's bat story is recounted in full.

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• Everything you need to know about Ozzy Osbourne biting the head off a bat in Des Moines
• Highway to Hell: Laws, Lawsuits, and Moral Panic over Heavy Metal Music, 
• The Emergence of Youth Suicide: An Epidemiologic Analysis and Public Health Perspective
• The Role of Gun Supply in 1980s and 1990s Youth Violence
• The Parents’ Music Resource Center: From Information to Censorship
• Parental Advisory – Explicit Content: The Parents Music Resource Center, Conservative Music Censorship, and the Protection of Children
• Andrew Hartman’s A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars
• Trends in Premarital Sex in the United States, 1954–2003
• 'I'd Sell You Suicide': Pop Music and Moral Panic in the Age of Marilyn Manson
• A Comparative Historical Analysis of Post-war Moral Panics and the Construction of Youth from 1938 to 2010
• “Children Having Children,” the 1985 moral panic article in Time

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Special guest Eric Michael Garcia tells Mike and Sarah about the deep roots of a pernicious modern myth. Digressions include Mary Tyler Moore, British place names and supermodel dating habits. Mike finally gets to talk about Swedish statistical methods.

Here's some of Eric's work on autism and here's his book!

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This week, we put on our suits and head back to the courtroom. O.J. Simpson pleads not guilty, Marcia Clark finishes questioning Kato Kaelin and Bob Shapiro continues to furrow his brow. Digressions include "Speed," the Kuleshov effect and the intentional boringness of American law. In the final ten minutes, we talk briefly about the crime scene and Marcia’s reaction to it.

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Mike tells Sarah how a troll-ish experiment turned a South Carolina teenager into one of the most maligned women of the 1990s. Digressions include Sally Ride, Anne Hathaway and, as usual, "Newsies." Mike struggles with the word "infirmary" throughout.

The pictures of Shannon we discuss in this episode are here.

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• Catherine Manegold's "In Glory's Shadow: Shannon Faulkner, the Citadel, and a Changing America"
• Susan Faludi’s “The Naked Citadel”
• Marching In Step: The Citadel And Post World War II America 
• A Judicial Blow for "Jane Crowism" at The Citadel in Faulkner v. Jones
• The Citadel's Lone Wolf, Shannon Faulkner
• Surviving the Company of Men
• Shannon Faulkner and The Citadel: The Effects of Using Litigation as an Instrument of Social Reform
• Saving The Males: The Sociological Implications of the Virginia Military Institute and the Citadel (since we recorded this episode we've learned that the author of this piece has been accused of sexual harassment. Apologies for not mentioning it on the show!)
• Single-Sex Education: New Perspectives and Evidence on a Continuing Controversy

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This week we talk about the early days of Paula and O.J.’s relationship and the celebrity cameos reach either a high or a low point. Digressions include date etiquette,  cat scams and room-temperature Diet Coke. Mike has his head in his hands for long periods. 

In this episode we discuss domestic abuse, including the violence Nicole Brown Simpson experienced and the circumstances of her 911 calls.

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This week we return to the  O.J. Simpson trial and learn what Paula Barbieri did after the Bronco chase. Digressions include fish, beef and grocery shopping while conventionally attractive. Neither co-host has a firm grasp on the meaning of the word "festive."

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• Paula on "Primetime Live" 
• The Time cover 

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Mike tells Sarah the complicated story of an over-simplified study. Digressions include Tonya Harding, "The Meg" and Kitty Genovese. The Milgram obedience studies and the "broken windows" theory of policing receive bonus debunkings.

Thanks to Thibault Le Texier for helping us with this episode! Here's his book, "The History of a Lie," and the English-language summary, "Debunking the Stanford Prison Experiment."

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• The Original Study
• Philip Zimbardo's "The Lucifer Effect"
• Zimbardo's 1973 NYT article
• David Jaffee’s precursor study at Toyon Hall
• Ben Blum's "The Lifespan of a Lie"
• The Stanford prison experiment in introductory psychology textbooks: A content analysis
• The Real Lesson of the Stanford Prison Experiment
• Revisiting the Stanford Prison Experiment: Could Participant Self-Selection Have Led to the Cruelty?
• Interpersonal Dynamics in a Simulated Prison: A Methodological Analysis
• The Obedience Alibi: Milgram's Account of the Holocaust Reconsidered
•  Obedience in Perspective: Psychology and the Holocaust
• Unchaining the Stanford Prison Experiment: Philip Zimbardo’s famous study falls under scrutiny
• The Secrets of Abu Ghraib Revealed: American Soldiers on Trial

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Mike tells Sarah what makes older Americans more vulnerable to misinformation — and who is delivering it to them. Digressions include "Supernatural," the Rachel and a fake university in Pennsylvania. We recorded this episode before the election but tried not to make it too obvious.

Here's the article Mike wrote with all the research he did for this episode: 

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Sarah tells Mike about the thrilling conclusion to a children’s labor action and an overlooked Disney musical. Digressions include cronuts, carrier pigeons and Sylvester Graham’s crackers.  Both hosts agree that they love saying the word "papes."

Most of the information in this episode comes from Sarah's two new favorite books, Vincent DiGirolamo’s “Crying the News” and David Nasaw’s “Children of the City.” And here's the link to the newsboy footage we watched: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gatfLuD-Do

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Sarah tells Mike about media history, labor organizing, century-old moral panics — and the unlikely Disney musical that introduced her to all three. Digressions include Sting, "The Princess Bride" and 19th century graphic design. Both co-hosts recount their extremely millennial work histories.

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Was Harvey Milk's killer really given a light sentence after claiming that junk food made him do it? Mike's spinoff podcast, Maintenance Phase, dives into the rumor and finds a very You're Wrong About twist. 

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Topical episode! Special guest Jamelle Bouie tells Sarah and Mike about his problematic Founding Father faves and the bewildering institution they handed down to us. Digressions include '70s lapels, "Reversal of Fortune" and the Eurovision Song Contest. The filibuster rule and the three-fifths compromise receive bonus debunkings.

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