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Published 2026-05-17

#37 Molly Seidel - Marathons to Trails, Western States 100 miler, How to keep running fun

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Olympic marathon medalist turned trail runner, Molly Seidel, talks about her path from the roads to the trails. From the pavement to trail races to the high-altitude training that supports her quest for Western States, she shares behind-the-scenes insights you won’t hear anywhere else.

Perfect for marathoners curious about trail running, road runners exploring ultra distances, or endurance athletes seeking fresh perspective—this episode opens a window into the future of multi-disciplinary excellence.

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Published 2026-05-10

#36 - How to taper for a Marathon and How to Recover After | Shakeout Podcast with John Gay

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How to taper for a marathon, How to recover after a marathon & much more, on The Shakeout Podcast with John Gay ahead of his marathon debut.

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Published 2026-05-03

#35 Between Reps - London Marathon, 2:05 in Ohio, Has the marathon changed forever? Listener Questions!

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We try to make sense of the London Marathon, compare it to the Boston Marathon, Talk about the crazy 2:05 in Toledo Ohio and then follow up with some listener questions. Enjoy!

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Published 2026-04-23

#34 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Reflection after running 2:06 and 2:09, What a weekend!

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Published 2026-04-19

#33 Ben Rosario - Running Industry Insider, Professional Coach and Founder of NAZ Elite, Race Director, Running Store Owner

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We sat down with Ben Rosario to chat about his life in the running world. From owning running stores, founding a professional running team NAZ elite, driving sponsorship into the team with Hoka, owning and running The Marathon Project, his best coaching memories and more. Ben shares his thoughts and opinions on how to make the sport continue to grow and tells us what his blowing his mind about the current current boom.

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Published 2026-04-12

#32 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Edition, Deep Dive into our Boston Builds, Will the World Champs Marathon be Successful? How Hard is it to Make Multiple US Olympic Marathon Teams?

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Published 2026-04-05

#31 - Listener Call In Show, We answer your marathon questions and discuss all the hot takes.

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This week we have a Listener Call In Show, which is a new take on our mailbag episodes. 6 guest appear to throw us their questions and takes for discussion. Please join our newsletter and check out our YouTube Channels as well. The podcast will also be on YouTube as well as our normal podcast services going forward! Let us know what you think in the comments.

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Published 2026-03-29

#30 Ed Eyestone - From being an Olympian to Coaching Them, Elite Marathon Training Philosophy, What's Difference in Today's Era of Running and Training

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Today we are joined by the legend Ed Eyestone. Coach Eyestone has seen ever era of running from amateurism to super shoes. We talk about his running career, his transition to coaching, how he coaches the marathon, today's NCAA ever changing landscape, what makes Utah produce such good runners, and we also answer some great listener questions about his training philosophy.

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Published 2026-03-22

#29 Phil Sesemann - London Marathon Training, Linking up with Alex Yee and Emile Cairess, Achieving the Olympic Dream + a NYC Half Marathon Debrief from Jacob and Rory

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In this two-part episode, Rory and Jacob recap the NYC United Airlines Half Marathon, breaking down their race performances, key takeaways, and how it impacts their build toward the Boston Marathon.

Then, we’re joined by elite British marathoner and Olympian Dr. Phil Sesemann. Phil has already run 2:07 twice in 2025 and is aiming for a top 10 finish at the London Marathon for the 4th time in his career.

In this conversation, we dive into elite marathon training, periodization, race strategy, and what it takes to perform at the highest level of the sport. Phil shares insights on marathon preparation, pacing tactics, and how he balances professional running with family life.

We also go behind the scenes of training with some of the best athletes in the world, including Olympic gold medalist Alex Yee and 2:06 marathoner Emile Cairess, who finished 4th at the Olympic Marathon.

If you’re interested in marathon training, Boston Marathon prep, elite running insights, or learning how the pros approach race day, this episode is packed with value.

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Published 2026-03-15

#28 Conner Mantz - Lessons from Injury, Boston Build, Training Insights

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Today we are joined by American Record Holder Conner Mantz. We talk about the lessons he has learned from the biggest injury in his career, his Boston build up so far, and about his teammates and training environment with coaching legend Ed Eyestone in Provo, UT.

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Published 2026-03-08

#27 Between Reps - Ethan Shuley's Training Deep Dive, Grant Fisher’s Half Debut, USATF Half Marathon Disaster, Boston Marathon Training Updates

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Published 2026-03-01

#26 Dakotah Popehn - Boston Marathon, Minnesota Distance Elite, Overdistance Long Runs

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In this episode, pro marathoner Dakotah discusses her training strategies, altitude training in Utah, race tactics for Heart Break Hill, and insights into the Boston Marathon course. She shares practical tips for marathon preparation and the importance of mental resilience in marathon training. We also talk about her coach, Chris Lundstrom, his training philosophy, and what he has been able to do with the MN Distance Elite Team, even without a corporate sponsor.

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Published 2026-02-22

#25 Jess Tonn McClain - Boston Marathon, Marathon Fueling, Bicarb for Long Races, Keeping Training Fun, Lower Mileage Approach to the Marathon

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Today we sit down with Jess Tonn McClain who was the top American at the 2025 Boston Marathon, 8th place at the 2025 World Championships Marathon, 4th place at the 2024 Olympic Trials Marathon. She will be on the start line with Jacob & Rory at the 2026 Boston Marathon as well.

We chat about her Boston Marathon specific training, about stepping away from pro running, and then finding her groove in the marathon post covid. She shares how she enjoys life outside of training and keeps professional running fun.

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Published 2026-02-14

#24 Between Reps - Pacing the AR attempt, Upcoming races, Marathon Myths, Does the treadmill count?

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In this episode of the Out and Back Podcast, Jacob and Rory discuss their current training experiences, including Jacob's time in Barcelona where he is pacing for an American record attempt, while Rory races the Mesa Half Marathon. They also share insights from their recent podcast with Brady Homer, updates on upcoming races, and the importance of joining Sandy Boy Productions. The conversation touches on marathon myths, the effectiveness of treadmill workouts, and how to manage health and illness during training. They wrap up with a discussion on listener engagement and future guests.

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Published 2026-02-08

#23 Brady Holmer - What really matters when it comes to sleep, caffeine, ketones, lactate training

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We welcomed back our first-ever returning guest, Brady Holmer, for a wide-ranging conversation on performance, recovery, and the details that actually move the needle.

We cover everything from Diet Coke and caffeine’s role in performance to what truly matters for sleep and recovery—including optimal sleep routines, practical sleep hygiene tips, and simple adjustments athletes can make right away. Brady breaks down key recovery and readiness metrics like HRV, respiratory rate, and resting heart rate, and how to interpret them in real training contexts.

We also dive into lactate clearance, training adaptations, and supplement strategies, including when (and when not) to use ketones, sodium bicarbonate, and Nomio. Throughout the episode, we focus on science-backed, practical approaches to optimizing endurance performance without overcomplicating the process.

If you’re interested in training smarter, recovering better, and understanding the “why” behind the data, this one’s for you.

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Published 2026-02-01

#22 - Mailbag, Boston Marathon Fields, Training Updates

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Please give the podcast a follow, a 5 star review, and share with a friend with you enjoyed today's episde. Today Rory and Jacob break down the Boston Marathon elite fields, give an update on their training, and answer some loyal listener questions.

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Published 2026-01-25

#21 Eric Floberg - Floberg Runs, Dad Strength, Discipline, Authenticity in Content Creation, Marathon Training in Chicago

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In this episode, Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson sit down with Eric Floberg, a unique figure in the running community known for his engaging YouTube content and inspiring journey in the sport. They discuss Eric's late start in running, his experiences with marathons, the intersection of running and business, and the importance of family in his life. The conversation also touches on Eric's approach to content creation, his recent philanthropic efforts through running, and his training focus as he prepares for upcoming races, including the Boston Marathon.

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Published 2026-01-18

#20 Josh Hoey - Indoor 600 World Record, New Training, New Balance Grand Prix, Wanamaker Mile, Bicarb, and Favorite War Movies

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In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, host Jacob Thomson and co-host Chris Striegel welcome elite 800-meter runner Josh Hoey. They discuss Josh's recent world record in the 600 meters, his training methods, and the importance of speed endurance. Josh shares insights into his upcoming races, adjustments to his training schedule, and the significance of altitude training in Flagstaff. The conversation also touches on the evolution of racing strategies in the 800 meters, the impact of technology on training, and advice for aspiring young athletes.

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Published 2026-01-13

#19 - Canadian Record, Rory runs 59:49 at the Houston Half Marathon

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In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, Rory Linkletter shares his experience of breaking the Canadian half marathon record. He discusses the immediate aftermath of the race, including drug testing and media obligations, and reflects on the race dynamics, training strategies, and the importance of competition. Rory emphasizes the significance of community support in running and shares his future goals and plans for upcoming races. The conversation highlights the impact of young athletes in the sport and the importance of maintaining a healthy mindset in training and competition.

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Published 2026-01-07

#18 - Houston Marathon Preview, What's in & What's out for 2026

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Published 2026-01-01

#17 JP Flavin - Marathon Project Champion, Brooks Hansons Distance Project, in collaboration with John Gay from the Shakeout Podcast

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We're kicking off 2026 with a special New Year's Day episode featuring guest host John Gay from the Shakeout Podcast for a conversation with recently crowned The Marathon Project champion JP Flavin, fresh off his win and new lifetime best of 2:09:18. The pros-only event was held in Chandler, Arizona last week.

Flavin, a member of the Michigan-based Brooks Hansons Original Distance Project team, discusses his build up for his most recent event and his year-over-year progression in the marathon, with a personal best in each of his last five showings. In addition, JP talks about his decision to move up to the event right out of university, and whether other young distance runners should consider making the jump earlier in their careers. The crew also talks training, fuelling and marathon peaking, while laying out the biggest storylines heading into the new year.

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Published 2025-12-21

#16 Between Reps with Chris - Training Updates, most Overrated, Underrated, and Misunderstood things in Running, How much Volume is too much?

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Join Jacob, Rory, and Chris as they dive into a good ole banter style episode that feels like a run with friends. From debating the most overrated running trends to sharing outrageous hot takes, this episode is packed with laughs and unexpected insights. Don't miss out on the fun—tune in and let us know if you agree with our spicy opinions!

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Published 2025-12-14

#15 Joe Whelan - 6 marathons in 1 year, 2:09 at CIM

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Published 2025-12-09

#14 Johannes Motschmann - 140 mile weeks, 2:10 Marathon, Best Training Camps

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Published 2025-12-01

#13 - CIM & US Champs Preview, Taper Time, Key Workouts in the Build, Fuel Plan

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Today we discuss the upcoming California International Marathon (CIM), which is also the USATF Marathon Championships. Go through Jacob's build up, race strategy, and expectations for the competition. We delve into tapering, carb loading, and fueling strategies. We also talk about the rest of the competitive field at CIM. The conversation highlights the excitement surrounding marathon racing and the camaraderie among athletes as they prepare for race day.

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Published 2025-11-23

#12 Mica Rivera Wood - Building Instagram and Youtube to 100k, Marathon Debut, Training with Ed Eyestone's group

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Mica Rivera Wood discusses balancing being a creator and an elite runner, her decision to transition from track to marathon running. She reflects on her initial fears and the excitement she feels about taking on this new challenge. Mica shares her thoughts on her potential in both track and marathon running, emphasizing the joy of embracing new experiences in her athletic journey.

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Published 2025-11-17

#11 Brady Holmer - Vo2 Max, How to Increase Volume Safely, Heat Training for Performance, Sub 2:20 at CIM.

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Please give us a follow at the links below and share with a friend. Today we chat with Brady Holmer. This was a very science heavy episode. We cover Vo2 Max training in marathons, how to increase volume, marathon fueling, heat training for performance, Brady's personal goals for the upcoming CIM race and more.

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Published 2025-11-09

#10 Ran to Japan - Why is Japan so deep in the marathon? Running Youtube, 2:38 to 2:13 Marathon, Olympic Dreams, Building a Community

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Today are joined by Jake Bearclough, better know as Ran to Japan. We explore the cultural differences in running training between Japanese and American runners, find our why Japan is so good at the marathon, highlight the differences in training. We also dive into the world of Running Youtube and hear a very cool story about Jake moving from the UK to the US to Japan to chase his running dreams.

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Published 2025-11-01

#9 - Biya Simbassa, 2:06 Marathoner, Top American Seed at New York City Marathon

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Biya is a former teammate and training partner of both Jacob and Rory. We got to chat with Biya about his new coaching set up with Ian Carter and the workouts that lead to his 2:06 Marathon in Valencia last year. We touch on his fueling and race strategies. We chat about the competition in New York City Marathon and what Biya has done to prepare for the course.

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Published 2025-10-26

#8 - Reed Fischer - Tinman Elite's new focus, New York City Marathon, World Championships

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Today on the Out and Back podcast, we sat down with professional marathon runner Reed Fischer. We talked about Reed bouncing off the World Championships to race the New York City Marathon. We covered how he is preparing for multiple marathons in a season, his experience at the World Championships, and his preparation for the upcoming New York City Marathon.

We dove into the evolution of the Tin Man Elite team and the challenges of professional running. Reed shares insights on the competitive landscape of marathon running and his personal goals for the future.

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Published 2025-10-15

#7 - Chicago Marathon War Stories, Rory runs 2:06, Way to early 2028 Olympic Trials discussion

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Published 2025-10-09

#6 - Chicago Marathon Preview, The Record Chase is ON, Your guide to race day!

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We discuss the upcoming Chicago Marathon, focusing on Rory's training, Canadian record attempts, and the competitive landscape of elite marathon running. They delve into the importance of consistency in training, pre-race preparations, and the dynamics of race day. Chicago Marathon Trivia Questions. The conversation also touches on the elite fields for both men and women, highlighting key athletes and their potential performances. And lastly, we offer some tips for runners participating in the event.

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00:00 Race Week Anticipation

03:07 Training Insights and Record Attempts

05:53 The Importance of Mental Preparation

08:56 Race Week Logistics and Media Obligations

12:09 The Competitive Landscape of the Chicago Marathon

14:55 Interactions with Fellow Athletes

17:51 Marathon Progression and Personal Growth

26:04 The Evolution of a Marathoner

29:12 Preparing for the Chicago Marathon

31:37 Trivia and Insights on the Chicago Marathon

37:20 Analyzing the Men's Field

46:01 Final Thoughts and Race Day Tips

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Published 2025-10-01

#5 Mike Arishita - CEO & Founder of Blanks Nutrition, How to fuel for a marathon

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In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, Rory and Jacob welcome Michael Arashida, CEO and founder of Blanks Sports Nutrition. They delve into the complexities of sports nutrition, emphasizing the importance of individualized fueling strategies for athletes at all levels. Mike shares insights on the art and science of nutrition, the challenges of running a sports nutrition company, and common mistakes made by amateur athletes. The conversation highlights the necessity of practice and experimentation in finding the right fueling methods, as well as the balance between high performance and health.

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00:00 Introduction to Blanks Sports Nutrition

01:44 The Importance of Customization in Sports Nutrition

05:00 Art and Science of Fueling for Performance

08:08 Trial and Error in Finding the Right Fuel

12:06 High Performance vs. Health

13:17 Functional vs. Optimal Performance

15:53 Training the Gut for Endurance

19:59 Front-Loading Fueling Strategies

21:30 Understanding Race Day Nerves and Nutrition

30:23 The Art of Fueling: Gels vs. Liquids

34:56 Navigating the Challenges of Running a Nutrition Business

39:11 Common Mistakes Amateur Athletes Make

43:41 Final Thoughts on Nutrition and Performance

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Published 2025-09-26

#4 Julia Paternain - World Championship Medalist, Phone calls from Paula Radcliffe and the Uruguayan President

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In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, hosts Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter welcome Julia Paternain, a bronze medalist at the Tokyo World Championships in the marathon. Julia shares her unique journey from a competitive swimming background to becoming a marathon runner, detailing her experiences in college athletics, her training in Flagstaff, and her preparation for the Tokyo marathon. She discusses the challenges she faced, her strategies for success, and the surreal experience of winning a medal for Uruguay. The conversation highlights the importance of community, the emotional aspects of competition, and Julia's plans for the future as she navigates her newfound success.

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00:00 Introduction to Julia Paternine

02:40 Julia's Unique Background and Journey

11:54 Transition to Flagstaff and Training

17:24 Tokyo World Championships Experience

22:37 The Surreal Experience of Success

24:34 Whirlwind Aftermath of the Race

28:22 Deciding the Next Steps

31:34 Preparing for the Tokyo Marathon

42:20 Momentum and Strategy During the Race

44:30 The Thrill of Finishing in a Stadium

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Published 2025-09-19

#3 - Cow Harbor 10k Preview, Flagstaff Medal in the Marathon, World Championships talk, Hocker DQ, Jakob 5k Revenge

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In this episode of the Out and Back podcast, hosts Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter discuss the excitement of the fall marathon season, including the upcoming Cow Harbor 10K and the importance of training strategies like fatigue resistance. They recap the recent world championships, highlighting thrilling finishes in both the men's and women's marathons, and celebrate Julia Paternain's historic bronze medal. The conversation also touches on the drama of the 1500m final, predictions for the upcoming 5K races, and the potential for more stadium finishes in road racing, emphasizing the blend of preparation, luck, and the electric atmosphere that championship races bring.

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00:00 Introduction and Fall Racing Season

02:04 Race Preparations and Expectations

05:34 Training Philosophy: Fatigue Resistance

12:13 Championship Marathons: Insights from Recent Races

20:33 Highlighting Underdogs: Julia Paternan's Journey

22:54 Dramatic Events: The 1500m Final Recap

23:38 The Blunt Truth of Performance

24:50 Controversy in Competition: The DQ Debate

26:51 Finals and Surprises: The 1500m Race

28:27 The 10K Upset: Gressier's Victory

31:49 Kijelcha's Transition: From Track to Road

33:08 5K Predictions: A Competitive Landscape

36:39 Dark Horse Picks: Surprises in the 5K

40:10 Women's 1500m: Kipjegon and Rising Stars

42:16 Marathon Finishes: The Stadium Experience

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Published 2025-09-19

#2 Jon Green - Coaching an Olympic Medalist, Indicator Workouts, Verde Track Club Future

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In this episode of Out and Back, hosts Jacob Thomson and Rory Linkletter welcome their first guest, John Green, head coach of the Verde Track Club. The conversation explores John's journey from a successful high school and collegiate runner to a professional coach, discussing his coaching philosophy, the impact of COVID-19 on training, and the importance of athlete engagement. They delve into the challenges of competing on a global stage, the lessons learned from coaching, and the strategies for building a successful team. The episode wraps up with insights on favorite workouts and future aspirations in the world of running.

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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

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00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

02:51 John Green's Journey as a Runner and Coach

05:57 Transitioning from Athlete to Coach

09:06 Coaching Philosophy and Athlete Engagement

12:06 The Impact of COVID-19 on Training and Competitions

14:48 Building a Successful Coaching Team

17:56 Competing on the Global Stage

20:48 Lessons Learned from Coaching and Injuries

24:01 Favorite Workouts and Training Strategies

26:42 Looking Ahead: Goals and Aspirations

29:38 Final Thoughts and Wrap-Up

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Published 2025-09-19

#1 - Pilot Episode, Why a Podcast, Marathon is for Everyone

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In the inaugural episode of the Out and Back podcast, hosts Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson discuss their backgrounds in running, current training regimens, and upcoming marathon goals. They delve into the importance of consistency in training, the challenges of medium long runs, and the debate between taking days off versus running every day. The conversation also covers strategies for racing the Chicago Marathon, emphasizing the mental and physical aspects of marathon preparation. The hosts invite listeners to engage with the podcast and share their experiences in the running community.

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Rory Linkletter and Jacob Thomson are professional marathoners chasing fast times and big goals on the roads. Training out of Flagstaff, Arizona, they’ve got plenty of stories from the grind of big mileage, the chaos of race travel, the highs and lows of racing on the world stage and the random stuff that happens between workouts. With a passion for storytelling, running culture, and building community, Rory and Jacob bring listeners behind the scenes of the marathon lifestyle. Training talk with a few detours.

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00:00 Introduction to the Out and Back Podcast

01:12 The Mission Behind the Podcast

04:44 Hosts' Backgrounds and Running Journeys

07:25 Life Changes and Training Updates

09:26 Goals for Upcoming Marathons