Kosta Hantzis & Lisa Loveland - Founders of Lynx Club NFT and hosts of Becoming Podcast

 He came to me one day and he said I've got this great idea and it was NFTs and I said it sounds great, but what's an NFT you and everybody else
 Difficult it is to wrap your head around this concept. I think what we're seeing as a trend right now is it's taking people a little bit more time
 Too mint because they are the the space is requiring more of a utility
 Not just this flash in the pan. Let me take a picture of me on a yacht and here's some cool artwork
 That's a big thing too with like the scams like there's a ton of scams with like the board eight people are like oh, I got scams and stuff like that
 It's like well, you didn't really get scammed you actually just didn't actually buy a board eight because you didn't click the legitimate link
 You got to do your research, too
 So anybody can come along and create a identical board eight NFT or identical Louis bag NFT
 But if it's not tied to Louis Vuitton's actual smart contract address, then that thing's not real
 And
 You're listening to the radcast if it's radical we cover it
 Here's your host Ryan allford
 Hey guys, what's up welcome to the latest edition of the radcast
 We're talking NFT used today. We're talking web 3
 We're going down the virtual pipeline with Lisa Loveland and Costa Hansis. What's up guys?
 Hey, Ryan
 Hey, I dialed up the energy there. I was excited for the NFT talk
 It's an exciting topic crazy topic exciting. It is. It's like oh my head explodes
 But at the same time it gets excited
 How are we guys doing both coming from Boston? I know
 Yes complaints
 I just got back from Florida and it's definitely not Florida weather here, but I'll take it
 I think this weekend supposed to be like 85 in Boston or something like that
 So it's going from 40 to 85 in the spend up five days. So that should be interesting
 Yeah, we're in South Carolina and we've had the strangest weather. It's like 85 one day and 65 or
 You know, it's all positive, you know, it's warm-ish, but it's been some ups and downs. So can relate to that
 The
 But it's good. I will know we're going to get into both co-founders of
 Links club NFT, which we'll we'll talk in detail about
 Maybe we just start down that path, you know, Lisa. I'll start with you
 You know, let's talk professional journeys. I know you've been in real estate. You know, you've done a lot of things
 This is a detour of sorts. I know you're venturing out, but maybe let's start with you know since we got two of you
 We won't have we won't do our I'm sure we both could to do the 30-minute professional journeys for both
 But maybe a little bit of that journey and kind of what brought you here today
 It's a great question. I'd love to talk about it. So
 Yes, I've been in real estate for a long time. I was in corporate America prior to that and
 I'll try to make it as condensed as possible because I could sometimes have a problem landing that plane, but
 um, you know, I didn't I fortunate that I have a successful career
 So I'm not coming to this with oh, I wish I had um, but I really didn't have mentorship
 I learned a lot based on what I wouldn't do and there was an awful lot of politics and awful lot of things
 It just weren't fair. It's it's um, you know, it's a tough women
 Whether you believe it or not have it. It's it's a tough road up there for us to to make it in the business world
 So I'm here. I I love what I do work is not work to me. It's a hobby
 and um, and I'm at a place where I want to give back and I want to
 help people that want to make the you know become
 Get to their next level of success personally and professionally and um, when I was I could see how real estate was changing and it
 It's not really a group. It's it's just me, but I was missing out on business because I wasn't a group
 And so I just kind of changed the way that we we branded it and then doing that
 I wanted to bring the creativity in house
 And um, I met Costa on a
 Uh, on a showing and he was I was so impressed with him
 He was really well put together. We had kind of a complicated deal
 And he handled it really well on the other side and um, he actually reminded me of myself at his age
 And I was like wow, you know, I hate to see people like that their wings get clipped
 So after the process I told him that and I said if he ever wanted to get into into actually selling to let me know
 So in 2020 of course at the start of the pandemic um, he did reach out and we came and he he came on board
 We did again. We rebranded a bit. We did more with video. We did he we started a podcast of our own
 And in that mix, you know, one of the ways to kind of get business in real estate is to start your own
 You know referral groups of people that are in similar businesses and that are like minded and he's very talented in
 and media and and um
 Photography and all of that stuff and he's just an entrepreneur at heart
 So he and his friends got together and started a masterminds that he can talk about um and as you find out
 Doing that that it's hard to stay top of mind. It's hard to get logistically to get everyone together and um
 We always were thinking you know always thinking of ways to make money the ways to make money as you find problems and you solve them
 So though these are the conversations he and I have all the time
 And he came to be one day and it's awesome. I mean our age difference is there
 But my god, you wouldn't think there was an age difference. It's just a it's a I'm I'm grateful for um this partnership
 And he's so fun to mentor and coach
 So he came to me one day and he said I've got this great idea and it was
 The NFTs and doing a masterminds and having an NFT be the way that you get access to it and I said it sounds great
 What's an NFT
 You and everybody helped
 What difficult it is to wrap your head around this concept, but trust me to all your viewers who don't understand it
 I didn't either and I am completely obsessed with it right now
 so um
 He did a wonderful job of explaining it to me and then I became like oh my god
 This is amazing and we've taken it from there. So with that
 I'll cost to tell his side of that and how he how it how he got the idea and how we because it's his brainchild
 Yeah, I know I think you did a great job touching on all the bit uh points there
 NFTs really I think the iteration right now we see is just so one side because everybody you think about it
 NFTs everybody's like oh
 Board apes and monkeys and all this stuff. I don't really get it too
 But at the end of the day
 NFTs is a technology too and I'm I'm sure we'll probably go into detail a little bit later about
 What NFTs actually are
 But I think it's important before you even talk about the club what the NFT does like to explain what an NFT even is versus like a
 For those who don't know NFC stands for non-fungible token meaning that you can't exchange it for something else
 The classic example is like the Mona Lisa the Mona Lisa is a non-fungible token
 You can't exchange the Mona Lisa for another Mona Lisa
 But if you look at a fungible token like USD if you have a hundred dollars
 You can do a hundred dollars a bunch of different ways it's one hundred dollar bills five 20s
 Whatever it is currency is fungible, but what NFTs do is give you that proof of ownership to verify that you actually own
 Something too. So there are a bunch of use cases for NFTs for ours with the links club
 We're using the NFT as the membership pass to prove that you have admission into links club
 So what links club is to touch real brief on like the general scope of links club
 But what we're doing is building a creative collective for artists entrepreneurs musicians filmmakers overall entrepreneurs from different fields and creators from different fields
 Because we feel that true collaboration really comes when you bring in those entrepreneur of people and you bring in those creative people
 It's tough to for example real estate
 There's a lot of real estate networking groups mastermind groups in real estate too
 But there's only so much collaboration real estate agents can do especially if they're in the same city
 It's very competitive if you know the real estate market and there's low inventory
 And those groups are great too, but true collaboration comes when you're maybe a real estate agents parting with a
 Person that does video production so they can start shooting content for themselves
 If you want to do a podcast needed a partner with a creator that knows audio production
 They need some graphics for social media. They need to get in touch with an artist
 So there's so much collaboration to be had and we really want to sense
 Kind of have this
 Collaboration within our community as we're calling it a digital playground source
 We're fostering this true sense of collaboration
 Through a variety of different events like workshops private mastermind speakers talent spotlights job boards a lot of cool stuff that we can get into to later
 I love that um
 So
 You know, I'm going to take it another level like deeper is it
 I get the the NFT portion is is it sort of
 So tokenization to
 Pay your way into the club
 And my my understanding that correctly, you know like this is it
 An exclusive club of creators where the some of the parts greater the whole
 everyone's adding
 to the collective
 But to get in the club it's the token to get in is that am I understanding that correct?
 So it the token think of it as the the ticket to membership
 Yep ticket to membership and the so that that but the difference is so
 It's it adds value
 It creates value and it's tradable
 So if you were to join a masterminds group or a networking group and there was a you know like a B&I group for example
 And it's that's a number of dollars a year for the membership
 That's it you never get that money back. It it's year after year
 With us
 When you buy the NFT and it's less money than it would be to join any one of these group other groups
 most likely um
 You can you can keep that you can buy multiple so you can keep as they'll say by three
 You keep one so you always have access to the group and the benefits of the group
 And then you take your other two when you could trade them you can sell them on open seas
 It's like the stock exchange for NFTs so to say
 And so you can gain value
 Well, there's scarcity to do as well to that for the like the limited collection part of it like for example with links club
 We're gonna do five thousand five hundred and fifty five and that is the supply of original links club NFTs
 So if we do a great job with link and this is repeatable across any other business if we do a great job
 We provide value the value of your NFT can go up and now you can sell on reason like Lisa said is benefit to owning three
 If you get into NFTs and buy it's usually great to buy multiple ones so you can keep one and then hopefully make profit off the other ones
 If the community does a great job too, so
 It's that scarcity of wanting to be in a group
 But there's only a limited amount of spots so you better
 Mint and NFT and for those who don't know minting is just like the public sale the initial launch
 You want to go the website and mint the NFT and get the pass essentially to the group
 Is so when we talk about you know buying three is it buying three
 memberships
 That you can then sell memberships for people to join the club or is it just the actual token itself
 It's just the actual token themselves people like to buy three just uh, maybe they like the artwork a lot
 There's actually going to be benefits to holding multiple tokens as well
 Communities do this in different ways too one example for us is if you're going to be holding multiple NFTs
 You get special access to maybe VIP question sessions when we have speakers or links conference you can touch later upon is our conference
 If you own multiple NFTs there will be certain privileges for those people that own
 Higher shares essentially of links club
 How do you vet? I mean, you know like B&I groups and networking groups and even masterminds
 For the some do some don't but I think there is some amount of vetting right so that you're building the community the way
 You want with the like-mindedness and getting the types of people in there
 What's going to be I mean is there going to be a vetting process for that for you guys
 The the vetting process is actually in how we market it um it's a tough process to actually vet
 um
 Just because of the way that web3 is set up um however
 If somebody doesn't really want to
 Be involved in what our utility is offering um
 They probably wouldn't join the club anyway
 Um so yeah, it's kind of hard to vet now we can take that a step further
 So let's say you know we sell up this project and what where we will that is into different categories within the community
 So you can get to a VIP status for different types of
 workshops and speakers and
 That will have to be via interviews. You'll have to be fully doxed for those that don't know fully doxed is
 You know, we know your name. We see your face. You know, you would have a a call of zoom meeting because we're global
 And we would actually know who who these people were what their true intentions were what their goals were
 We we really want to have a very hands-on approach to this because we are serious about helping people get to their next level
 And we can't do that unless we have individual um, you know
 Conversations with people as to as far as what they need
 So that would come as a as a as a level two
 Yep is I mean, I think we're some of the
 I don't have disengagedments the right word
 Maybe it's the
 The rolling of the eyes club with NFTs
 I'm a practical. I'm a practical person right
 Like it's like I can make it complicated or you I can just say it like it is
 I think with the NFT stuff like this makes sense to me because of
 The mastermind and the group and the like the bringing like mine is together
 the board ape stuff the the
 scarcity or
 You know man you factored scarcity of the art of the
 Sometimes really bad digital art is where I think people are getting a little disenfranchised with the whole NFT thing
 Right, I mean, I I call spade a spade right and I know a lot of people made a lot of money and I'm not knocking it
 but you know
 The $10,000 here and just we're throwing around numbers that just aren't sustainable in my mind
 I
 agree and I think that that you see you see that with anything that's new right? It's like the Wild West. It's like the gold rush
 It's and and and the largest percent I don't know the numbers cost you probably know the numbers
 But I think it's like you know 95% of projects don't don't work don't don't work they fail right and even the ones that are out there we don't have enough
 Market stats we haven't been around long enough to see who can what what what who's going to stay around
 You know, I mean when you when the when the the audience in the space is looking for a project to quote mint in two months
 I mean what in and what real world is that even possible?
 You know, so you could do it
 But you haven't thought out enough to figure out how you're actually going to add value for the remainder of those years
 So I think what we're seeing as a trend right now is it's taking people a little bit more time to mint
 Because they are the the space is requiring more of a utility
 Not just this flash in the pan. Let me take a picture of me on a yacht and here's some cool artwork
 That was great, right?
 cash grab but
 Not now where are we and I think that's why we see you know
 We can talk about this later, but everyone's an advisor in this space
 Well, but they're not really giving you a solution and back in you know in real business if we ever went out with with advisory
 Information without a solution to implement
 We would never be hired. Yeah
 The spaces is is very immature. It's very new, but it's changing
 And I think projects like us and some of the people that we're partnering with have a wonderful opportunity to have a direct impact
 And direction of where this space needs to go and it's going to the the cream is going to rise quickly
 Because these other projects are that aren't providing the utility in a plan and the value are going to be uncovered pretty quickly
 Yeah, you know, it's interesting on the accountability front. I'll tell a very short story
 But it's I think we had a client come to us and they wanted us to get involved and as we know we talked pre-show
 You know, there's no playbook for this stuff really. There's the stuff. Yeah, set up a discord get involved in Twitter
 You know get some influencer right there's some there's some stuff that are coming up as established ways to
 Hopefully guarantee
 Quotes success of these things some some amount of things in the playbook and
 The client came to us to do it and I said sure we'll do it and I mean I'm as connected as anyone and
 Know what we could attempt to do, but they didn't like the budget that we came back with because I said well
 Yeah, I'll be accountable to it
 But if you if you think you can throw
 $3 to $5,000 a month at this thing and it work
 No, thank you, you know like it's just not going to happen and so I think it's interesting to see where
 That accountability kind of plays out and the people that become
 You know the mainstay is in kind of living breathing this because you really got attached yourself to the right
 People that know how to make this stuff work, right?
 That's absolutely true because
 You do have to throw a lot of money at edit and if you aren't doing your homework
 They're going to be throwing your money at a lot of things
 That's all hype and doesn't work so that's what I mean when I say you know going back to kind of the you know the
 The organic what really works in in business whether it's web 2 web 3 or whatever it is
 You've got those principles have withstood the test of time
 For a reason, you know marketing, you know, you have to figure out who you can't just market to the at least in our project
 We can't just market to you know and get you know
 20,000 people in our discord and you know 30,000 people in Twitter they may not be
 Have any interest in the utility that we're offering so we've had to take a much more granular look at
 What we're doing how we're doing it and who we're targeting yeah
 Toss that does your opinion on you know like
 Web 3 and how all these things interact and you know not using your crystal ball
 But you guys are so close to some of these technologies and things like that
 um
 I'd love to enlighten our audience with your perspective on uh web 3 and what that means
 Yeah
 Web 3 is going to take over
 The entire world
 It's just the new iteration of the web where you can really own what you're putting out there in terms of content music
 Filmmaking there's no the classic example is like the record-alabel example in music
 For example, I think this summer especially music it is going to see a lot of technology and a lot of innovation around NFTs
 Where an artist could go to their fan base and say hey, I'm going to release
 5,000 NFTs that have a certain percentage of revenue from my new album like they're like hey
 I want to do this album
 5,000 NFTs for this album and one percent or however many percentage of revenue splits
 They actually give back to those people that that own the NFTs and then they could say hey if you own one of our NFTs
 You actually get a zoom call with me once a month whatever it is you get access to my discord
 You get access to sneak peaks of music so before I I drop a song like you actually get to see a little preview or snippet
 Some behind the scene stuff you can keep adding value
 And that's the beauty of NFTs and then those NFTs after can get traded
 So somebody's like you know what I don't want this musician's NFT
 I'm not really too into his music anymore
 Then you could trade it to somebody else and whatever a society deems that NFTs
 Has value just like art societies deeming whatever it is the value. There's no like hey. This is the price
 It's it's tradable like anything else
 I think creators are gonna have more and more chances to really own their work and earn royalties
 So for example when that NFT that musician has an NFT that they they put out there somebody buys it and that person that bought it sells it to somebody else
 There's a thing in a smart contract with a royalty that you can have a certain percentage usually it's anywhere from
 1 to 10 percent so 10 percent of that sale you can actually go back to that original mentor that artist who actually created that NFT
 So just picture that
 Replicated across a bunch of different industries. I think for the the podcast is a great example too
 If like you turn the the radcast into a gated
 Podcast where you have to own one of our radcast NFTs to actually listen to our podcasts
 And if you have great guests on the show and people like oh Ryan just had whoever on the show that talked about this
 Then the value of the NFT will go up
 So it's another way that you can
 Have access and exclusivity and then some of the the big thing too is with the wallets like your wallet is pretty much going to be your
 Your Instagram or your Twitter. It's in a show like what you own. I'm just saying maybe I'll have an NFT in my wallet
 That should I went to a post Malone concert then it shows I went to a Tony Robbins seminar or shows I want to
 Floor it on vacation stayed at this hotel now everybody can go see in your wallet. Okay cool
 A cost is into this stuff. He really liked post Malone as an artist. I like post Malone too. So it's another form of social media
 Yeah, interesting there and you know there the
 The tokenization that the radcast has crossed my mind. I mean I expect at least to sell 10 tokens
 For having Lisa Lovlin and Casa Hansa's on the show right now. All right, at least you know
 Please net when uh links club NFT blows up the world, you know, we're gonna remind everyone. We're uh
 We're things really blew up here on the radcast right next to great cardone the uh
 He's going your way. I love it. He is blowing up, but uh
 Talk to me
 You know is interesting the smart contract is part of this thing is really interesting
 So I'm gonna go Lisa with you here with this one real estate. I mean damn
 Titling of houses is so freaking complicated. Why the hell can't we just make smart contracts to track all this shit
 Oh my god. What yeah, we should but try to get that past the government of the registry
 I know
 Can we get to that point though like is that where you know, yeah
 I think we can and I think you're gonna see a lot of that because um it's actually a very simple
 It's a very simple contract that could be put together because you know
 Each each stage in a real estate transaction is signed off on and then this smart contract can kick into its next gear
 And you don't have to have all this running around and you know
 Maling of signatures and original signatures all this stuff. It's it's it's an absolutely
 Perfect example of where NFTs could really create some
 Wonderful efficiencies. I know. I'm hopeful. That's where it's all headed
 You know, I think back to the utility. I think utilities are really strong
 Keyword with all this stuff. I mean, it's one thing, you know, and everybody I love art is much city one Mona Lisa
 I get it a little Monet whatever, you know
 but and you know that board ape doesn't do a damn thing for me
 But you know, I get it the scarcity in the art part
 But like we got to get to that utility right the utility factor is
 Where this is going and I think we've got to simplify it like because right now
 There's so many buzzwords and so many layers to this thing
 It's like if you get outside of your own bubble
 Like and I'll even throw myself in there like people don't know what the hell this shit is like it's just like
 They are confused by all the terminology and in the stuff
 I think they want to engage
 But I think it's just it's it's complicated
 Yeah, I mean at the end of the day
 NFTs are a piece of technology. They're not a gorilla or monkey or stuff like that
 That's just one use case for that
 So I think as soon as we get away from that whole idea of board apes going for hundreds of thousands of dollars
 And that's just essentially they're doing great things regardless of that too
 It is like a flex. It's say oh, I own a board ape just like you're flexing that you on a Rolex
 We're whatever that may be your car
 As soon as we get away from that whole idea that anything can be an NFT or any proof of ownership or proof of authenticity
 Can be an NFT so then we can see that if you claim that
 And interesting them thing that we're talking about is like courses if for example or education
 Like usually when you talk about taking a course at the college or a course online
 They'll usually spit out a PDF or something like that too
 But what if we can now use an NFT as the technology through the blockchain are the digital ledger to actually show that you truly did
 Do what you say there you truly do own whatever digital asset you're talking about the blockchain the consumer blockchain
 Especially is really going to take over where it's going to always be people that are still faking it too
 But it'll be a lot harder to fake when you can actually say okay cool show me the blockchain address
 That you actually do own that's piece of digital digital assets a lot of people are going to be a scared and not wanting to do that
 Cause are you saying that
 These people that I say with the fake Louis Vuitton handbags
 They're not going to be able to get a fake Louis in the the metaverse. Is that what I just heard you say
 And they might be able to
 Unless they're bugged the fake Louis
 They can buy this fake right and then you'll show us fake
 That's a big thing too with like the scams like there's a ton of scams with like the board apes and the stuff like that too
 Where people are like oh, I got scammed and stuff like that
 It's like well, you didn't really get scammed you actually just didn't actually buy a board aid
 Because you didn't click the legitimate link you got to do your research too
 Anybody can come along and create a
 Identical board ape NFT or identical Louis bag NFT
 But if it's not tied to Louis Vuitton's actual smart contract address from their website then that thing's not real
 So they'll always find me I got a damn ADD ape I got to sleep me ape and not the board ape
 Oh shit
 This happens so many times it's funny
 Oh man, let's talk a little bit more about lease club
 So talk to me about who is the perfect audience for this like I know it's the creators and all that
 But I want to dig into a little bit more the target
 What like do we have firm costs for what it's going to cost to get in
 I know there's going to be mastermind type material and things and all that but
 Talked a little bit more about that target and a little bit more about you know, maybe cost of entry
 Sure, so our NFTs we actually decided on a final mint price yet
 But look for anywhere between 350 to $500 USD
 And then of course that converted into whatever it is in a theorem at that time too
 So our target in the in terms of our target audience again yet artist creators entrepreneurs
 Overall people that want success in their relative fields whatever success is to them
 And wants to be in an environment with other people that are essentially doing cool things and want to improve themselves
 The example I like to give is you go to a Tony Robbins seminar too
 You're probably not going to become best friends with Tony Robbins
 But everybody sitting next to you in those seats are all in a probably a similar place than that you are
 They might not be in the same industry, but they're going there to better themselves
 So we really want to foster the sense of collaboration and not only creating a community of people that are all interested in the same thing too
 But actually providing them utility the value by bringing speakers and really listening to what the community wants
 Having the workshops links con is a huge thing too
 Me and Lisa are both from Boston as we talked about earlier in Boston has a great tech presence
 Has a lot of great schools
 But nobody's came into Boston and said hey, here's Boston's flagship NFT web3 conference
 And we're looking to do just that there's been an NFT NYC Miami LA wherever it is Colorado even too
 But Boston has a lot of potential. So
 With links con what is what it's called is to come to that conference
 If you own a links club NFT you actually get access to that conference
 We'll also be selling public tickets as well
 But the NFT will give you admission into that conference
 We're partnering with a really big entertainment agency. We actually haven't finalized the details yet
 So can't really drop that yet too
 But it's a really big entertainment agency in Boston that
 We're just so fired up. It's been the whole entire process of the NFTs of containing not saying stuff about the project because we haven't at least did it
 I've heard there might be some good speakers at that thing
 I really do
 Wonder if you're gonna be one of them. Yeah, I think I already told you who with the entertainment company was too
 Yeah, so I'm saying anything
 But yours truly might just be making a drop-in. Oh, yeah
 Cool might be I had a few speaking engagements here coming up towards end of the year. So I'm honored and pleased to be a part of that
 I think it's cool. Do you see links club is kind of being like the umbrella brand
 And then you know like if you get these different, you know, whether it's entrepreneurs or creators or artists
 You see they're almost being like I don't know sub segments underneath that is the umbrella or is it all one?
 No, that's so that's so perfect. That's exactly right. You nailed it. Yeah
 So so we have to have the umbrella if we're true to our mission right we want to bring everybody in but then
 It's not our agenda pass that point
 So the breakoffs will come after we have these conversations, you know, and it will be something like
 How amazing would this be? I would have loved this in my career that somebody cared enough to put this all together like this digital collaborative playground and actually ask me
 Who do you want to meet
 Right, so you kind of who do you want to meet and we'll go find them if it's not that exact person
 We'll find somebody that is doing what that exact person
 Is doing that could be beneficial to the person in our community
 You guys might be beaten linked into the club, you know
 I know you're thinking about it a little differently than just that but that professional aspect and the
 the
 Utility that keep coming back to that word. That's kind of wrong true with me the utility of being involved in the these groups and these clubs
 um and the additive nature of them
 I think you know
 Social media networks are trying to do that and I am you're certainly getting knowledge
 You've got inputs and outputs of knowledge and information
 But it kind of stops at that, you know, it doesn't seem to transcend the knowledge input output
 Uh, and this feels like the next evolution
 100% we have a lot of conversations about linked into people have brought that up about the similarities too
 And it's like we have a lot of big plans for links club as we've talked about here too, but
 um as you're an entrepreneur yourself you get it that we have to execute on the ground level things first
 Do what we're going to say to do like sure we can have that long-term vision which we do we want to build a brand
 But to get to that level we can just jump from here to there. We have to execute on the workshops the speakers
 We're working on with our developers right now and some sort of platform
 Um, which would be more of the longer term thing for the project
 But there are a lot of things especially with linked in and a lot of similarities that I don't know if lintens working on some sort of technology with NFTs
 They should be I'll talk like a a brief example out there too and um
 It's like when you go on lintin and you see your profile you got a bunch of experiences on lintin
 It shows I want to I took this course. I went to this college. I want to
 Here and participated in whatever it may be, but there's no actual
 Proof to say that you did what you did there is maybe if a job interviewer comes is like okay
 Let me see like I'm going to call your references too
 But for the most part there's not any sort of validation
 So I won't get into too much detail about that idea
 But the blockchain is a way to kind of prove authentic uh prove that you actually authentically took that course
 So for example with a workshop within links club
 We're working on developing where if you attend one of our workshops. Let's say um, it's fun to use the lintin example
 Because we're we're talking about a lintin workshop
 But say we did a workshop on digital marketing and we brought brought in you Ryan to teach a course at the end of it
 When you took that and you were attended that workshop
 We could actually have you mint an NFT to say that you took the links club NFT workshop with Ryan Alfred
 And here's your NFT to prove it so you can go put that on lintin
 You go put it anywhere else people can look in your wall and be like okay
 Yeah, you actually did take that so now I actually know you're not full of it for for lack of better words
 I like that. I like a proof in the pudding and I having like the record of those things
 I think it's good for everybody that transparency. I mean, it's not just
 You know anyone that kind of fights that isn't real, you know, there you go
 So yeah, I don't know real recognizes real
 But damn, I like I like to trust but I love to validate, you know
 I don't know too. I always say what do I say Kasa? I'm all about the truth. I'm a truth seeker once I find the truth
 I can I can deal with whatever that truth is
 But I want to know what the real deal is yeah, there's always something
 Kind of hiding behind there is
 It's interesting so you guys all the channels. I mean so building a discord community. I imagine
 How how's all that going as far as kind of community building getting the words out there and you know
 What are kind of your approaches as far as marketing so far
 Yeah, we're about to especially with our new partner right now
 We actually haven't public announced this either yet
 But our new partner is gonna be helping out with our growth and marketing who's had success in the space before is really gonna
 We like to say that our true true marketing is really gonna pick up this week next week in the weeks to come of really really pushing out
 What we're doing because it takes time to build it takes time to work out the kinks team stuff
 Making sure everything's in synergistically working together. I mean community buildings is a is a very
 Overused buzzword, but it's one of the most important things in NFTs and
 The example we like to give and talk about is like you have to pitch your your discord as a
 A party say you're hosting a party and it's like you invite a bunch of people to the party
 They come to that states a new person at that party you have to be like greet them at the door
 They hey welcome to links club for example the whatever it's a party
 Here's I go check out this place. This is where you can do this. This is where you do that
 Like so happy you came here too. It's like oh by the way like I you're into music right because I've seen your profiles music
 Oh, we actually have a music section here and this person over there is into music as well. Maybe you should meet them
 So it's like you're doing that for every new member building that true sense of like you're there for that person
 But you want to get to a point where that new person that came to in the discord is actually having their own conversation
 So then you can actually go to the new member and do the same thing introduce them. Hey, thanks for coming here's what you can do here
 Here's what this let me know if there are any questions and then you can't forget to periodically check into the people that are already at the party
 You have to say hey you guys have everything you need so
 The event slash party is a great example to describe like how you should really treat treat your community
 And making sure people are having a good time and people actually want to stay at your party
 But they have to understand the party not just everybody's standing in quarters talking to themselves
 You really have to foster that and curate really cool
 Dialogue between members. I think that's an interesting way to talk about it
 Because like I feel like the biggest thing the digs disconnect for brands and companies that don't kind of
 Do well in that community building. They're lacking like the master of ceremonies the MC
 They're kind of like when you think about a party and you use it as a great example cost
 I'd never really crystallize it till you just talked about it
 But it's having that MC the MC of the party doesn't just play the music
 They say oh there's Barbara who should get to know Jill and they connect them
 They say oh Jim who likes you know the Beatles needs to talk to Roger who knows the Eagles or whatever
 You know dating myself a little bit here with my musical references, but
 Uh, I think you get it, but it's like who's the MC who's bringing that all together
 And I think that's the key to building community right yeah, that's right because then you then you're then you're because if the community needs us so much
 That's that isn't the right balance right, but we need to be the MCs and our mods and our and our community managers need to be the MCs
 and then that
 Cross talk and vibe needs to happen
 So now the community is doing that on their own because we've showed them what to do
 We've made the connections people people can be shy or nervous or awkward
 Um and not even not really understand how to use discord so getting them all together
 And then they start on their own freeze custom I up to go and continue to add value to the community
 Totally I love it. I love it. I love it. Well as we're winding down here. I uh
 Any uh, you know kind of final thoughts. How how can everybody kind of keep up with where everything you guys are doing get involved with links club and ft
 etc
 We're working on our our final v2 website
 We have a temporary website up right now and in the url is links club nft.com
 It has some videos there as well as a bunch of pictures to our our links
 So for example our discord definitely join our discord. There's a link on our website
 Follow us on twitter. It's just at links club nft again all links will be on our website
 That's a great place to start and we'll be keep pushing out more information on both of those channels
 And then as we grow and as we grow we'll keep expanding to different mediums whether that different channels and discourse different platforms
 But for right now during this this building phase as we like to call it definitely discord is the main kind of party
 Asper say is where everything is really going to be happening right now and twitter is that
 That initial billboard per se where you can find out a little bit about the party
 To learn more about the different tweets get a feel and then if you want actually want to enter the party come and join our discord
 And you know what we should have people if they've heard about us through your podcast we should say
 Have them announce that when they come into discord
 Yeah, great idea. Yeah, perfect
 So mention the rad cast you can say we love Ryan. Yes
 Say we love Ryan
 So I'm looking forward to staying in touch with you guys and being involved in
 The event towards the end of the year. Yeah, we're really excited to have you
 Yeah, man, it's gonna be fun and
 So Lisa Costa spend a pleasure. Thank you so much for coming on all right
 Thanks for having us. Thank you
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