180 - Fire Fundamentals pt. 12 - Pressurization systems

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Hello and welcome to the Fire Science Show, session 180 and the 12th episode of the Fire Science Fundamentals.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We've not had the Fire Science Fundamentals for a while, so I thought it's a good idea to create a new episode for this series and since I'm here alone, I'm going to be talking about stuff that, let's say, I am somewhat knowledgeable of, and that is building systems, automation and smoke control.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>In this episode we'll be covering pressurization systems, so that's a very interesting subject to a lot of people.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>A lot of people believe they do not work and they have their reasons for that that I will try to debunk in this episode.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>A lot of people are a little bit clueless in how to apply those systems and they're making quite a big career, at least in here in Poland.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They are very, very important part of our life, safety strategies for buildings, especially high rise, and we've learned to deal with them quite well, to be honest, and we've learned to trust them, which is perhaps the most shocking for many of our colleagues outside of Poland.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So in this episode I'm going to try to give you some of that mine or ours experience with the pressurization systems as a part of a fire safety strategy, but more from a perspective of the scientific understanding of what the system is supposed to be delivering.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>How does it operate?

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>What are the physical phenomena related to the operation of the system is supposed to be delivering?

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>How does it operate?

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>What are the physical phenomena related to the operation of the system, and how exactly is this system keeping smoke away from our staircases, vestibules and spaces in which we do not want to have smoke?

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I believe that once you learn the fundamentals, once you understand the physical conditions in which this system really thrives, you'll very quickly understand the principles of design of the systems and will be able to apply successful pressurization systems in your projects as well.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And this episode can be also quite valuable to other people dealing with fire science, compartment fire experiments, especially because, of course, pressurization pressure effects on openings and flow paths that establish in the building are highly relevant to any type of building fire strategy.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now I wonder if I made a good job doing this introduction.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I hope I made the pressurization attractive enough for you to stay with me and listen to this podcast episode.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>These systems are definitely attractive enough for me to talk about them, so let's spin the intro and let's try it out.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Let's learn about the pressurization systems.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Actually, you've just heard the OFR intro, the sponsors of this and I had an interesting story with OFR and pressurization because in the past, one of the founders of OFR, Simon, had very strong opinions on pressurization systems in the UK and he even wrote a paper that pressurization systems do not work and pose a threat to life.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That was quite an interesting read actually.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>In many regards it stays actual for the type of systems that he had to deal with and I've tried to convince him that actually they do work and they are not a threat to life.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And eventually I've invited him to Poland.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I've shown him the lab, I've taken him to some high-rise buildings in Poland, We've shown him the factories of the vendors who are producing those systems and I think Simon was quite convinced and I believe he changed his opinion in that regard.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Anyway, my best wishes to Simon and I hope that I can change mind on pressurization systems for many others through this podcast episode.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So why do we want pressurization in our buildings?

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The principle is super simple you want to keep smoke away from spaces in which you'll have some vulnerable people or some other things that you wish to protect from smoke.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>There are two ways you can keep smoke away you can extract it or you can prevent the smoke from coming to that space, and pressurization, of course, acts on this second layer, which means it prevents smoke from accessing a particular volume or a compartment in your building.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That compartment could be usually a lobby or a vestibule, whatever you call them.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You could do it for an elevator, lift or any shaft in your building.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Sometimes it could be a corridor, but technically it can be any any space that you want in your building to be protected against smoke.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's one of the tools in our toolbox that allows us to split our building in compartments and just make sure that within that compartment we're not going to have anything, Just like your fire doors, just like your walls, just like any other dampers In this case they just operate on air, of course.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Like any other dampers In this case they just operate on air, of course.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So this idea has been attractive for a long time, especially when you think about protecting staircases.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Because what's a staircase?

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>A staircase is a natural chimney in your building and if you have some sort of a high-rise development and a fire breaks out in any compartment, some sort of a flow path will establish between that compartment and the exterior of the building.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The flow path may occur at the window, Of course.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's going to occur at the window.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>As the fire breaks out the windows, the smoke is going to start flowing outside the compartment through that opening and kind of ventilate itself to some extent.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But you also have doors.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You have doors to your compartments which will be opened by people escaping, which can be opened by firefighters entering the compartment, which can be destroyed by the fire, providing a new pathway for the smoke to go.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And in this case the smoke ventilates itself to spaces which you would like to have secure.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It ventilates to corridors and from those corridors it can penetrate the staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And that becomes an issue when it does that, because a staircase, as a vertical space, is a perfect place for smoke to rise, so it acts as a natural chimney.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And you could, actually, if you have an opening at the top of a staircase and you often do because of the smoke control strategy you don't want the smoke to accumulate in the staircase in case it entered there, so you would ventilate the staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You can create a very, very efficient chimney, even more efficient than just ventilating flames and smoke through your windows, which would mean that your smoke goes from your compartment to your corridor to your staircase and just continues to do so throughout the fire.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That obviously is quite a risky thing that you do not want to have, so you have to break it.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now, if you think about modern buildings for a second, because I put this image into your head that windows will break.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But if you think about modern buildings with multi-layered glass and very, very strong windows that act as the facade of the building, the chances that the window is going to break very early in the fire are not that high, to be honest.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I mean, we don't even know what they would be.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I had an episode with Yi Wang on modern glass some episodes ago and it's very challenging to actually predict the breakage of glass, especially at the early stages of the fire.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Today Ruben Van Coyle, in his ERC grant, is battling with the same problem.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So we don't know if the windows will break.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If the windows do not break, then literally the only flow path the smoke has is through your corridors and your staircases, which means in those buildings in which the fallout of the window or breakage of the window is not very likely, an early phase of fire you will have smoke in your corridor, you will have smoke in your staircase and you really don't want to have that.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So now the idea comes up let's perhaps create pressure difference between the staircase and the spaces surrounding it, in a way that the pressure in the staircase is higher staircase and the spaces surrounding it in a way that the pressure in the staircase is higher than in the spaces surrounding it.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's a brilliant, simple idea.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>What creates a flow of air?

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The pressure difference creates a flow of air.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The air flows from space which is at a higher pressure to a space that is at the lower pressure.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's a very simple physical principle that you cannot break.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The air will always fly in the direction from higher pressure to lower pressure.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So if your staircase is at a higher pressure and the smoke is a fluid, it cannot ignore this principle and it cannot enter the staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Simple as that.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If a pressure difference is present, the staircase seems safe, and here I need to put this in.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's a theoretical thing.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>However, in practice, the staircase is not at uniform, one single pressure value and it's not one unified space.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's a volume.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The fluid inside is continuous, but there's a lot of things happening in the staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So if you not design it correctly, you'll not have this effect, because parts of the staircase may be at different pressure and may not provide the safety you want.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And that's probably one of the reasons why those systems were deemed not fit in the early days, because the way how the pressurization was executed was through some steady state volumetric flow pushed into the staircase with some, perhaps mechanical dampers that would release too much of the pressure, the excess pressure, and those systems would sometimes fail.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They would fail due to weather, due to static effect.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They would fail due to their mechanical or electrical reliability.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They would fail due to failures of establishing good fire safety strategy.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They could fail because too many doors were opened, and that's a common thing when the firefighters enter the scene, they have to open some doors to take their hoses through it and there's a dynamic process of evacuation and rescue happening in the building.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You cannot expect that people will seal down the staircase because the mighty pressurization has to work.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So there are reasons for those systems to fail and, what's interesting, the new developments that we have in the space of pressurization systems.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So we have the fundamentals sorted.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We want the pressure difference between space A versus space B.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We understand how to create this pressure difference.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We understand the flows through the openings.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now we are developing systems that reduce those downsides, that reduce the risk of the over-pressurization or the risk of not having sufficient amount of air in the staircase, that allow us to combat the stack effect, that allow us to control what's happening in the staircase when there's five-heightest movement inside.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>These are the new generation, I would call them, of systems that we employ, and the better those systems get, the more trust to using them in our projects we have.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Actually, I have a lot of trust to those systems in my projects, but that goes back to me being a fire testing laboratory which actually tests their systems, and I've tested a lot of them and, yeah, I've built my confidence, which I will be sharing with you shortly Now.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I briefly mentioned the types of the system, so the old systems and the new systems.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So let me put a maybe more precise distinction between what I would consider the previous generation of systems and what I would consider the new generation of systems.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So the old type of systems is basically a fan that's plugged into your staircase, a mechanical fan that blows a lot of air into your staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The amount of air depends on how many doors you would like to have open when the pressurization system operates.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you have some sort of idea about how much air you need to push through all the open doors in the staircase so that the smoke doesn't go in through open doors when people evacuate, when firefighters respond.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>This gives you the base idea of the volumetric flow that you need for this project.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now, because the system also has to operate when the doors are closed.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The system has no idea whether the doors are open or closed.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It will pump the same amount of air when the doors are closed.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now, in this scenario, the only flow path through the staircase is through its leakages.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Every building has leakages, every compartment has leakages, staircases have leakages, and a lot of them actually.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But the flows through those leakages will be significantly lower than the flows that you will have through your doors, the one that you designed for.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So in this case, you're pumping the staircase with tremendous amount of air.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That leads to increase of the pressure that could increase technically close to the operating pressure point of your fan, which is a lot, usually probably hundreds and hundreds of pascals.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So that's way, way, way too much for a staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Why you cannot have that?

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Because the pressure will also act on every surface in that staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That includes the leaves of the doors.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So if you have a few hundred pascals acting on the leaf of a door and you press the door handle, two things can happen.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If the door opens outwards, you will be hit with a tremendous force by the leaf of the door, and if the door opens inwards, you will be hit with a tremendous force by the leaf of the door, and if the door opens inwards you will simply not be able to open it at all.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So we want people to be able to access the staircase and we don't want people to be hurt by the staircase itself.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You cannot go too crazy with the pressure, because then you create situations in which the staircase is useless, Because then you create situations in which the staircase is useless.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>There is a sweet point at which the system must operate, which is enough to keep the smoke away, but not enough to create harm at the doors by exerting static pressure on them.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So to control that state we actually put another device in the staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We put a relief damper.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>A relief damper in this case is basically a hatch on some sort of spring and it's mounted in such a way that if there is a pressure exceeding, let's say, 30, 50, 80 pascal whatever you set the value to, the hatch is going to open and it's going to release the excess air from the staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And when the pressure goes down again below some specific threshold value, then the hatch will close and you will keep the high pressure in your staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And this hatch, this relief valve, will help regulate the pressure inside the staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>This relief valve will help regulate the pressure inside the staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now this sounds, let's say, to some extent reliable or smart, but this brings a lot of challenges into the design, Because if you have a very tall building, the pressure at the hatch and the pressure at your doors 10 floors lower will be completely different pressures due to the hydrostatic pressure, due to stack effect, whatever else.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>There is a lot of phenomena that affect it.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So the fact that you have 30, 50, 80 Pascal at your valve does not guarantee you that you will have this value of pressure along your staircase, and this makes the design very challenging.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>This is why, in many countries, you would have to cut the staircase into multiple smaller staircases that connect to each other at some transition floors to not exceed a specific height, because you simply cannot maintain correct pressure when you have just one relief and one inlet to your staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now the other system, the new generation of the systems, as I would call them, are systems which are controlled through some sort of fire automation.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>In this case, you would have a fan that supplies air to the staircase again, but you would not usually have relief damper.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Well, okay, in many modern systems you actually have the relief dampers, but that's for different reasons.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>In many modern systems you actually have the relief dampers, but that's for different reasons.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Anyway, you would have the fan that can blow enough air to your staircase to make sure that the flow through your openings is established.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But also, at different levels of your building you will measure the pressure difference between your staircase and the space that you are protecting.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now, why do we measure pressure?

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If you design the system to maintain, let's say, 50 pascal, 80 pascal pressure difference and you know that the fire is at the 17th floor, you tap into the measurement system of the 17th floor and you know that at this particular time the pressure is, let's say, 20 Pascal.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So the fan ramps up until it reaches a value of 50, let's say that's your design value and at this level the flow is cut off, it's blocked.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you only deliver this much air to provide 50 Pascal at this particular part of your building.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's the beauty of the system it knows where it's delivering the air, it knows where the pressure difference is required and delivers this much air that is needed for that part of the building to be at correct pressure.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now someone opens the door to the staircase, releases the air from the staircase into another space, which means the pressure dramatically drops down.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You release the air, so you release the pressure as well, and the pressure sensor again picks this up, that there's a drop in the pressure, which means the fan is ramped up, usually to its maximum power, at which the fan achieves some sort of flow condition at the doors and stays at that, that providing that flow through the doors.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Then the doors close, pressure starts to ramp up again in your staircase and when it reaches, let's say, those 50 pascals, another signal is issued to the fan to lower the flow and establish new baseline conditions in the staircase.

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<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And this happens continuously every time someone opens the door, any time a pressure changes in the building and it.

00:19:05.209 --> 00:19:09.999
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>This happens continuously every time someone opens the door, any time a pressure changes in the building, and it happens in quite a dynamic manner.

00:19:09.999 --> 00:19:21.540
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So this type of system actually responds to the state at which the doors and the staircase is in your building and provides the optimum parameters of the pressure and flow for that particular point of time.

00:19:21.540 --> 00:19:27.251
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So I've promised you some fundamental physics that will help you design those systems and understand those systems better.

00:19:27.251 --> 00:19:37.392
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So let's talk about what physics says about those parameters of pressure and flow that are the optimum for the different points in time that the system has to operate.

00:19:37.900 --> 00:19:53.373
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The most fundamental thing is that you have two states of operation One, when the staircase is to some extent sealed, when most of the doors or all of the doors are closed and you have this maximum pressure difference that you can create in that space.

00:19:53.373 --> 00:19:59.521
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And the state number two when the doors to the compartment where the fire is present are open.

00:19:59.521 --> 00:20:08.909
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So there's a potentially direct flow path from the compartment to your staircase, and in this case you obviously cannot do 50 Pascal difference.

00:20:08.909 --> 00:20:15.829
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You have to do some difference and you create this difference through exerting the flow through that opening.

00:20:15.829 --> 00:20:24.243
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Two most fundamental states for the pressurization systems that we need to understand and pretty much the same physical phenomenon that drives them.

00:20:24.243 --> 00:20:32.588
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That is again the pressure difference between the staircase or space that's pressurized versus space that is non-pressurized.

00:20:32.588 --> 00:20:35.173
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But why does that make sense?

00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:50.113
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So, first of all, when there's an orifice, an opening in a wall between two spaces, at different pressures, a flow will establish through that orifice and that flow is directly related to the pressure difference.

00:20:50.113 --> 00:21:04.523
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So we have those two types of pressures that we talk about in fluid dynamics the static pressure, which is basically the force that the fluid exerts on the surfaces, and a dynamic pressure, that's the pressure related to the flow.

00:21:04.523 --> 00:21:09.017
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You could simplify it to how much force there is within the flow itself.

00:21:09.017 --> 00:21:24.942
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So when there's an opening, the pressure, the force that was acting on the wall is now acting on the opening and creating a flow with the force that you would act on your wall, flow with the force that you would act on your wall.

00:21:24.942 --> 00:21:25.884
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Pretty much the formula is very easy.

00:21:25.884 --> 00:21:29.090
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So the dynamic pressure is half of the density times the velocity squared.

00:21:29.090 --> 00:21:30.961
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So that's a very easy formula.

00:21:30.961 --> 00:21:33.386
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You can memorize it and it's very useful.

00:21:33.386 --> 00:21:41.289
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And if you want to know the velocity, that's the square root of two pressures divided by the density.

00:21:41.289 --> 00:21:42.633
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Very easy formula again.

00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:53.992
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And this relation between static and dynamic pressure at an orifice, at an opening, is what tells you how fast the fluid will flow through an opening.

00:21:53.992 --> 00:21:58.711
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So how does this relate to the state of doors closed and states of doors open?

00:21:58.711 --> 00:22:01.105
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>In one you have no opening.

00:22:01.105 --> 00:22:04.969
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>In the other you have opening, but in fact, in both cases you have openings.

00:22:04.969 --> 00:22:09.688
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's just that when the doors are closed your openings are extremely small.

00:22:09.688 --> 00:22:12.147
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That are all of your leakages.

00:22:12.147 --> 00:22:17.092
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The leakages can be through narrow gaps at fitting the doors.

00:22:17.092 --> 00:22:21.211
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They can be at imperfections in the structure of the staircase.

00:22:21.211 --> 00:22:23.887
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They can even be through porous medium.

00:22:23.887 --> 00:22:28.171
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Most of the building materials are porous to some extent, even concrete.

00:22:28.171 --> 00:22:34.019
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you would have some losses not very much losses, but some losses through those spaces.

00:22:34.019 --> 00:22:44.134
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And when you have something like a gap between the doors and the floor, you'll have a flow that's got quite significant velocity in that gap.

00:22:44.134 --> 00:22:48.592
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That comes out of this pressure difference that you have in the staircase.

00:22:48.592 --> 00:22:54.490
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So no matter if your doors are closed or opened, the same phenomena are playing a role.

00:22:54.490 --> 00:22:58.859
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's just at different times the scale of that flow is different.

00:22:58.859 --> 00:23:08.240
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>When you have doors open, that's obviously a completely different flow than when you have a small orifice or a small gap in the joint between the doors and the staircase.

00:23:08.981 --> 00:23:10.926
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now, that's the the staircase side.

00:23:10.926 --> 00:23:15.605
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Let's discuss the compartment side, because you have to have the pressure difference between the staircase and the compartment.

00:23:15.605 --> 00:23:29.413
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So let's brainstorm how much the pressure can rise in the compartment, and that's's a different story If you have a very airtight building and that was a trend at least in European Union some years ago.

00:23:29.413 --> 00:23:36.222
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now I think we're also working with passive housing with some heat exchangers that actually seals the building quite well.

00:23:36.222 --> 00:23:44.510
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you could expect in a very tight building you could expect a very significant pressure rise during a fire.

00:23:44.510 --> 00:23:50.472
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I think my colleagues from VTT in Finland measured even 1800 pascal difference.

00:23:50.472 --> 00:23:58.814
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I think they came to a number I cannot cross-reference it from my head right now, but I remember a really absurdly high number.

00:23:58.814 --> 00:24:03.028
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But that's a very, very sealed compartment.

00:24:03.028 --> 00:24:11.273
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If you open your doors to your corridor you've created some leakages and obviously this value will be much lower.

00:24:11.273 --> 00:24:17.292
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Anyway, if you have a tight compartment you can expect the pressure rise to be quite high.

00:24:17.800 --> 00:24:25.458
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I would say 20-25 Pascal in a fire would be something you could actually expect between compartments in normal conditions.

00:24:25.458 --> 00:24:36.887
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If your windows fall off, if the fire is fully developed probably that's the value you could also be looking at from just the temperature expansion of gases, but perhaps not much higher than that.

00:24:36.887 --> 00:24:43.973
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So 20, 25 pascal, that's the overpressure you could expect in your compartment.

00:24:43.973 --> 00:24:46.368
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Of course there could be additional effects to that.

00:24:46.368 --> 00:25:01.471
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You could have wind acting on the facade at which your compartment is, and then some of the dynamic pressure from the wind will transition into flows inside of your building and that could add to the pressure increase of the fire.

00:25:01.471 --> 00:25:03.207
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So that's a challenging aspect for sure.

00:25:03.207 --> 00:25:08.932
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But in general you're looking at a few dozens of pascals maximum on the fire side.

00:25:08.932 --> 00:25:18.734
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So on the staircase side you probably would design for values that would be somewhere between 20 and 80 pascal.

00:25:18.734 --> 00:25:21.468
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Depends on which standard, depends on which approach you go.

00:25:21.468 --> 00:25:22.854
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The sweet number some time ago in Europe was the 50 pascal.

00:25:22.854 --> 00:25:24.097
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Depends on which standard, depends on which approach you go.

00:25:24.097 --> 00:25:26.807
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The sweet number some time ago in europe was the 50 pascal.

00:25:26.807 --> 00:25:48.810
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I personally prefer systems that are designed for 30 pascal because that lowers some of the dynamic effects, but anything between 20 and 80 usually would be sufficient to provide you safety for your space, given you of course have a way to establish the flow path from your air supply, which is another thing we'll be talking in a second.

00:25:49.432 --> 00:26:05.034
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>One more thing that I wanted to cover is that when you understand how static pressure and dynamic pressure interact, you start to understand that flow and pressure on your opening are pretty much the same thing.

00:26:05.034 --> 00:26:16.209
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>One is so directly linked to another that it's just a measure of a phenomenon and they're kind of inter-exchangeable and that creates a very interesting dynamic.

00:26:16.209 --> 00:26:32.872
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So if you open your doors and you have one meter per second flow in that door, that pressure difference is definitely less than a pascal, perhaps two pascal, because then when you have those flows through large openings you will also have some effects of the aerodynamic discharge coefficients.

00:26:32.872 --> 00:26:36.686
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So it's not a direct correlation but roughly few pascals.

00:26:36.686 --> 00:26:42.664
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If the flow is 10 meters per second it means that there's more than 50 pascal at the other side of the door.

00:26:42.664 --> 00:26:47.512
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So the flow and pressure are interchangeable things.

00:26:47.653 --> 00:26:50.644
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And sometime ago we had this funny thing in a European standard.

00:26:50.644 --> 00:27:04.865
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You had the requirement that you provide two meters per second at your doors, which roughly corresponds to something like two and a half Pascal, maybe five at best if you include all the orifice effects into that.

00:27:04.865 --> 00:27:09.781
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And at the same time you were supposed to maintain 10 pascal in the staircase.

00:27:09.781 --> 00:27:17.953
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So how ridiculous is that you're being told to maintain two meters per second and 10 pascal at the same time, which is technically impossible.

00:27:17.953 --> 00:27:20.323
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You cannot have two meters per second at 10 pascal.

00:27:20.323 --> 00:27:24.105
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>10 pas Pascal will give you so much more velocity in your doorway.

00:27:24.105 --> 00:27:29.885
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That was a funny thing and it just shown that someone did not completely understand physics.

00:27:29.885 --> 00:27:32.154
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They had some good reasons to provide that.

00:27:32.154 --> 00:27:37.929
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They wanted to have some residual pressure difference at the staircase to protect it at different levels.

00:27:37.929 --> 00:27:47.409
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But they created the requirement that that's physically impossible to meet, to have two meters per second and 10 Pascal at the same time.

00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:50.650
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now one more thing about flow establishing through doorway.

00:27:50.650 --> 00:28:02.512
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If you have a very small pressure difference between the both sides of the doors, let's say a few Pascal, it's very hard to make the doors act as a uniform, let's say boundary condition.

00:28:02.512 --> 00:28:07.813
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's very hard to create a uniform flow through such a big opening, especially at low velocities.

00:28:07.813 --> 00:28:22.152
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So it is technically possible that you have a higher pressure on the left side of the door ceiling, the ceiling jet.

00:28:22.152 --> 00:28:28.057
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You can realize that in a ceiling jet, locally the pressure can be a little bit higher because of the velocity of the ceiling jet.

00:28:28.057 --> 00:28:51.936
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Again, that's a dynamic pressure, right, the velocity of the jet on the doorway, which means that even though on averages you have more pressure on the staircase side and less pressure on the compartment side in the ceiling jet where you have smoke, you could technically penetrate that staircase and introduce smoke to the staircase.

00:28:51.936 --> 00:28:56.930
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's quite challenging, and this is why controlling the flow path is critical.

00:28:56.930 --> 00:28:58.799
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So, yeah, maybe let's move to that.

00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:01.364
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>What do I mean by controlling the flow path?

00:29:01.364 --> 00:29:23.402
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So if you supply air to your staircase and you expect that air to flow from the fan to your staircase, then through the doors, into some sort of corridor, and you want to be 100% certain that this is the direction of flow on every single opening along the way, what happens with the air at the end?

00:29:23.402 --> 00:29:24.708
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Where does it go?

00:29:24.708 --> 00:29:28.521
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You cannot just pump it indefinitely, because you're just going to increase the pressure.

00:29:28.521 --> 00:29:30.826
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If you pump it, it has to go somewhere.

00:29:30.826 --> 00:29:53.970
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And if there's no relief, if there's no opening at the end, if I am pumping this air to a completely airtight volume in which a fire is actually happening, what I'm ending up is over-pressurizing that space, creating even pressure between the staircase and the compartment that I'm trying to protect, and I don't have any pressure difference anymore.

00:29:53.970 --> 00:29:55.019
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I don't have any protection anymore.

00:29:55.019 --> 00:30:12.682
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So I need to be sure, absolutely sure, that when the air goes into the final place where I want it to be, which is usually the corridor, it has a way out, and we establish that through smoke extraction in that space.

00:30:12.682 --> 00:30:16.871
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You can establish that through some relief openings in that space.

00:30:16.871 --> 00:30:30.276
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You can establish it and that's perhaps the least reliable but still works through opening windows in that space, maybe even windows in compartments that are in fire, just to enforce a specific pathway that you have.

00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:41.789
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The best strategy from my point of view is to have the pressurization be designed as a part of the smoke control solution in your compartment.

00:30:41.789 --> 00:30:57.083
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you have a corridor, you have extraction from that corridor, you extract, let's say, five cubic meters per second of air from that volume and you would want some amount of that smoke that you extract to come from your pressurization system.

00:30:57.083 --> 00:31:05.640
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you can build additional sets of dampers that will transfer the air from the staircase to the corridor when your doors are closed.

00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:28.642
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>There are some even very fancy solutions that automatically will decide where the air goes Does it go to the staircase, Does it go to the compartment, and what relation goes where, to maintain the correct pressure difference and to make sure that sufficient amount of air is getting into your smoke control system, because your smoke control system also relies on the fact that you have air supply.

00:31:28.642 --> 00:31:38.395
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If you don't have sufficient air supply, you're going to under-pressurize the compartment and create an even larger pressure difference between the staircase and your corridor, which is not good either.

00:31:38.395 --> 00:31:45.278
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you need to design the system as a part of the complete smoke control strategy in your building.

00:31:45.278 --> 00:31:46.301
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's the only way.

00:31:46.869 --> 00:32:08.211
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I actually have a book chapter in a handbook of autonomous system by Nasser, Like four years ago we've published that and in that book chapter we go in depth into those strategies that allow you establishing this flow path accurately, that make sure that you have control over where the air is going and how those different solutions play.

00:32:08.211 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So that's a very detailed description of how those systems operate.

00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:26.455
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I'm going to drop the link in the show notes and if you have challenges accessing that, drop me an email and I'll send you my authoscopy and you can read about that, because that's a little bit higher level considerations than this podcast episode.

00:32:26.455 --> 00:32:34.321
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I want this podcast episode to be a baseline for everyone and if you want to know more, there are more detailed resources than you can access to.

00:32:34.321 --> 00:32:51.579
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But basically, the important thing is when you supply air to your staircase, where you supply air to some part of your building, you need to know where that air will go and you need to assure that this air will be extracted at the space, because only then you can establish a flow path.

00:32:51.579 --> 00:32:59.483
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And if you establish a flow path, a beautiful thing happens you will not have smoke even come remotely close to your staircase.

00:32:59.483 --> 00:33:05.002
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Maybe some smoke, but definitely not a ceiling jet that could even penetrate the staircase.

00:33:05.002 --> 00:33:15.659
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You are creating a very robust, resilient strategy for your building by establishing a flow path that makes sure that the danger is far away from spaces that you want to protect.

00:33:15.659 --> 00:33:22.930
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's much more value than just creating a pressure difference between the staircase and the space that is under fire.

00:33:23.490 --> 00:33:37.973
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now there is one more thing, and that's perhaps the secret about why systems in Poland work so well and why a lot of systems around the world are deemed not working and perhaps a threat to life.

00:33:37.973 --> 00:33:39.478
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So the pressure is rising.

00:33:39.478 --> 00:33:40.160
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>What's the secret?

00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:40.740
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>What's the secret?

00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.653
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Is it some sort of Polish magic?

00:33:42.653 --> 00:33:44.777
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>No, it's the lobby.

00:33:44.777 --> 00:33:52.395
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The lobby is the secret Lobby or vestibule or whatever you call the small room that connects your staircase to your corridors.

00:33:52.395 --> 00:33:55.903
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If you pressurize that little space, you win.

00:33:55.903 --> 00:34:12.121
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you can create a robust strategy that relies purely on pressurizing the staircase, creating a flow path to your corridor, extracting smoke from your corridor yes, that can work, and that can work actually quite well.

00:34:12.121 --> 00:34:28.704
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But if you add an additional element to this strategy, which is an additional small space between your staircase and your corridor, the lobby, and you pressurize this space with a separate system, you create such a resilient machine.

00:34:29.570 --> 00:34:33.161
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's unbelievable how difficult it is to break that system.

00:34:33.161 --> 00:34:37.581
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So many things would have to go wrong to have smoke penetrate your staircase.

00:34:37.581 --> 00:34:38.889
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's almost impossible.

00:34:38.889 --> 00:34:45.503
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You'd have to have a massive, massive, total failure of the automation systems in your buildings to fail this resilient strategy for the automation systems in your buildings to fail this resilient strategy.

00:34:46.610 --> 00:34:47.231
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And what's best?

00:34:47.231 --> 00:34:54.264
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>When you pressurize the lobby, the scale of the system that is required because you have a very tiny space.

00:34:54.264 --> 00:34:57.619
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>In Poland that would be 1.4 meters squared.

00:34:57.619 --> 00:34:59.315
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's not a very big space.

00:34:59.315 --> 00:35:01.217
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's barely enough to open the doors inside.

00:35:01.217 --> 00:35:10.019
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you need a very little amount of air to create overpressure in that space and you can design it for, let's say, one meter per second on your doors.

00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:15.463
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So in the end you're pushing maybe two and a half cubic meters of air into that space.

00:35:15.463 --> 00:35:17.577
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It requires a very small shaft.

00:35:18.250 --> 00:35:41.445
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Okay, there are some challenges with the transfer of the air, but you can create that lobby in a way that it acts as your main air inlet for your smoke extraction system and you have all pieces of your smoke control strategy in place in such a way that the smoke is extracted from your corridor and the staircase is absolutely protected from any hazard.

00:35:41.445 --> 00:35:50.336
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I've done studies and simulations in which we would even turn off the staircase pressurization system and just rely on the lobby, and it worked.

00:35:50.336 --> 00:35:52.001
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's how resilient it is.

00:35:52.001 --> 00:35:56.940
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So if you want to win, you add the lobby to your system and it becomes beautiful.

00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:03.206
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Of course, you need to have a gradual pressure difference between your staircase, lobby and the corridor.

00:36:03.206 --> 00:36:19.208
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We would usually design it such that in the staircase I have 50 pascal overpressure, in my lobby I have 45, and then there's the compartment to which we blow the air and from which we extract the smoke, which is the corridor, and that's like, let's say, zero.

00:36:19.208 --> 00:36:23.442
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Because we're talking about the pressure differences between the corridor, lobby and the staircase.

00:36:23.730 --> 00:36:25.860
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It also requires you some more automation.

00:36:25.860 --> 00:36:31.358
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You need to measure the pressure difference between the lobby and the corridor, between the lobby and the staircase.

00:36:31.358 --> 00:36:38.929
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It also requires quite a spectacular active system to control the amount of air you push into the lobby.

00:36:38.929 --> 00:36:44.530
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's such a small space, it responds almost immediately to any air that goes into that space.

00:36:44.530 --> 00:36:51.818
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So you have to have a system that can control the amount of air versus the pressure gain extremely fast.

00:36:51.818 --> 00:36:57.795
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Actually, in the standards that we test for that response has to be shorter than three seconds.

00:36:57.795 --> 00:37:02.472
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It's really almost immediate response to opening or closing the doors to your lobby.

00:37:02.472 --> 00:37:05.057
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But there are systems that have that.

00:37:05.057 --> 00:37:14.443
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>There are systems that exist that provide this capability and create this beautiful, super safe strategy for your pressurization systems.

00:37:15.090 --> 00:37:20.282
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So I have many more things on my list, so let's briefly talk about the stack effect.

00:37:20.282 --> 00:37:25.601
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So one thing that we've always battled with pressurization systems is the stack effect.

00:37:25.601 --> 00:37:30.795
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Always battled with with pressurization systems is the stack effect.

00:37:30.795 --> 00:37:34.804
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That stack effect is basically you have this hydrostatic pressure in any body fluid, which is the atmosphere of the earth.

00:37:34.804 --> 00:37:42.032
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So with every meter you have additional kilograms of air that put pressure on the surface at the bottom.

00:37:42.032 --> 00:37:48.014
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The higher the stack, the more the pressure you have, which also means the higher you get, the less pressure you have.

00:37:48.876 --> 00:37:51.922
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now the pressure is also dependent on the temperature.

00:37:51.922 --> 00:38:06.364
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So if you have minus 20 degrees outside and plus 20 degrees Celsius inside, there is actually quite a significant density difference between the exterior of the building, the air outside of your building and the air inside of your building the gravity is the same.

00:38:06.364 --> 00:38:08.974
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The height of the building, the air outside of your building and the air inside of your building the gravity is the same.

00:38:08.974 --> 00:38:28.003
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The height is the same because it's building height, but the densities are completely different, which means in winter the air outside would weigh more than the air inside of the compartment, which means the hot air inside, when you establish a flow flow path, will fly up like a hot balloon.

00:38:28.003 --> 00:38:30.597
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>In the summer, that would be reversed.

00:38:30.597 --> 00:38:36.282
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>However, it's usually more profound in the winter and in countries in which the winter is strong, such as Poland.

00:38:36.282 --> 00:38:40.701
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So this stack effect can be actually overwhelmingly powerful.

00:38:40.701 --> 00:38:44.159
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It can create hundreds of pascal of pressure on its own.

00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.976
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So we have to combat it.

00:38:45.976 --> 00:38:46.592
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Now.

00:38:46.652 --> 00:39:01.324
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The way, how you can battle it and this is something that was invented in Poland, and I had an episode with Grzegorz Sypek on this before in the podcast is that you can create an extraction point at the end of your staircase.

00:39:01.324 --> 00:39:09.134
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So your system is not only mechanically supporting air, but it's also mechanically extracting air from your staircase.

00:39:09.134 --> 00:39:11.384
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You can release it with natural means.

00:39:11.384 --> 00:39:13.893
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You can release it with pressure relief dampers as well.

00:39:13.893 --> 00:39:22.681
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The point is that you release air so that this additional pressure increase that would come from the stack effect is neutralized.

00:39:22.681 --> 00:39:37.802
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The technical, the scientific explanation for that is that it's compensated by the resistance of your staircase acting as a duct, so you basically create a flow that counter affects the stack and it actually works brilliantly.

00:39:38.224 --> 00:39:46.672
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We have measurements from 200 meter tall buildings in Poland with continuous staircases which show that this stack effect could be countermeasured with this solution.

00:39:46.672 --> 00:40:11.356
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I've myself done CFD for the tallest skyscraper in European Union, the Varso Tower in here, which had, I believe, 240 meters of continuous staircase, something like that, with six independent systems for pressurization at that staircase, working at unison to provide the pressurization of that monstrous, at unison to provide the pressurization of that monstrous, monstrous staircase, and we succeeded.

00:40:11.356 --> 00:40:13.742
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Yeah, it's quite a successful system.

00:40:13.742 --> 00:40:14.242
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It works.

00:40:14.242 --> 00:40:18.559
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It worked brilliantly in the simulations and we've commissioned it.

00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.112
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>It worked brilliantly on the building as well.

00:40:21.112 --> 00:40:23.918
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So it's not that I only based this on cfd.

00:40:23.918 --> 00:40:33.101
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We we also measured that on a real building afterwards and we've done that for I don't know a dozen skyscrapers in Poland from 100 to 200 meters tall.

00:40:33.101 --> 00:40:41.114
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>In each of them we've managed to countermeasure the stack effect and have a really well-working solution provided for those buildings.

00:40:41.114 --> 00:40:46.090
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Again, stack effect is a little bit higher complexity than this podcast episode.

00:40:46.090 --> 00:40:55.682
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If you want to learn more, there's the episode with Grzegorz Supek and there's the book chapter that I wrote where I go much more in-depth into the problem and the solution.

00:40:56.170 --> 00:41:00.829
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The final thing that I wanted to talk about in this podcast episode is the assurance.

00:41:00.829 --> 00:41:03.760
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I just had an episode with Abishek on assurance.

00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:08.961
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So how are we sure that the systems delivered to the buildings are the ones that we expect them to be?

00:41:08.961 --> 00:41:12.699
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And for pressurization we have standards in Europe.

00:41:12.699 --> 00:41:15.818
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's EN 12101, Part 6 and 13.

00:41:15.818 --> 00:41:26.130
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Part 6 defines how do we test the systems and since that was a project many, many years ago, we've built a rig following the project of that standard.

00:41:26.130 --> 00:41:31.902
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And yeah, we've tested at least 10 different pressurization systems in my laboratory.

00:41:31.902 --> 00:41:37.900
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I was personally involved in doing those tests, so I'm pretty sure that the systems work.

00:41:37.900 --> 00:41:42.161
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I give you my guarantee by the means of the technical reports I've issued.

00:41:42.610 --> 00:41:48.362
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Anyway, the test rig is a 100 cubic meter volume that's connected with a smaller volume.

00:41:48.362 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Between them we have some fast dampers that open and the big room simulates the staircase.

00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:57.239
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>The smaller room simulates the corridor.

00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:02.342
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We open and close a fast damper between them to simulate the door openings.

00:42:02.342 --> 00:42:06.742
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So basically we run the system as it would operate on a building.

00:42:06.742 --> 00:42:12.523
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We very quickly open the damper so the system has to establish this flow path, establish high volume.

00:42:12.523 --> 00:42:16.780
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Then we rapidly close the damper so the system has to go back to 50 pascal.

00:42:16.780 --> 00:42:19.978
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We call that a dynamic behavior cycle, DBC.

00:42:19.978 --> 00:42:24.300
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's one test six seconds of maintained pressure.

00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:28.492
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Then we open the damper, six seconds of flow, then we close the damper.

00:42:28.492 --> 00:42:38.452
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Then that's one dBc cycle and within those cycles we measure how quick the system responds to the change, to the change in the state of the damper, which has to be faster than three seconds.

00:42:38.452 --> 00:42:42.802
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We also repeat this test 10,000 times.

00:42:42.802 --> 00:42:46.976
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>10,000 times that's 44 hours of continuous operation of the rig.

00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.355
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>This is the reliability test and durability test.

00:42:50.355 --> 00:42:55.751
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>You need to make sure that the system can operate and operate and operate and will not break.

00:42:55.751 --> 00:42:58.318
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So that's what's being tested at the rig.

00:42:58.318 --> 00:43:00.422
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We also test oscillatory behavior.

00:43:00.422 --> 00:43:05.197
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So we open the damper in consecutive open-close, open-close cycles.

00:43:05.197 --> 00:43:10.704
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Sometimes some systems with faulty automatic will die on this test.

00:43:10.704 --> 00:43:19.936
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So we make sure the system doesn't get into oscillations and we do this test for the largest for the smallest pressurization system offered by a vendor.

00:43:20.329 --> 00:43:24.001
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We tie it up to a specific set of automatics.

00:43:24.001 --> 00:43:32.097
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So we tie it to a specific frequency inverter that they use the specific steering panel, specific pressure sensors.

00:43:32.097 --> 00:43:42.032
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Those things have to be sourced from reliable sources and during the certification phase and factory inspections this is checked out to give them a certificate.

00:43:42.032 --> 00:43:50.300
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So we know where the pieces come from and we know that the parts that are used in real buildings are exactly the same as from, and we know that the parts that are used in real buildings are exactly the same as the ones that we've tested.

00:43:50.300 --> 00:44:00.081
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And, what's also interesting, we also do electromagnetic compatibility and environmental resilience tests for the electronics of the system.

00:44:00.081 --> 00:44:05.061
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So the control panel, cabinets, the pressure sensor, this goes through electromagnetic tests.

00:44:05.061 --> 00:44:12.534
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Maybe I should do an episode on electromagnetic compliance that could be interesting for you, because that's another of my personalities.

00:44:12.534 --> 00:44:16.030
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We also have an electromagnetic lab under my supervision.

00:44:16.030 --> 00:44:20.621
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So in this lab we test how the pieces of electronic work together.

00:44:20.621 --> 00:44:28.655
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Do they break in specific electrical scenarios such as the surges in the electrical input line, electrostatic discharges and such on.

00:44:28.655 --> 00:44:35.076
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And the environmental reliability means that you can put this on the roof of your building and it's not going to break pretty much.

00:44:35.076 --> 00:44:46.221
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So it goes a very, very specific and robust set of tests before it is approved to the market and, as I said, we are doing that since 2015.

00:44:46.992 --> 00:44:50.592
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I know there are only two rigs in laboratories in europe.

00:44:50.592 --> 00:44:52.456
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Maybe there's more, but there's only two.

00:44:52.456 --> 00:44:55.402
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I know about mine and one more in germany.

00:44:55.402 --> 00:44:59.625
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I think we've done more tests, if that's that's something to brag on.

00:44:59.625 --> 00:45:12.800
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I know some manufacturers would have their own rigs, but you cannot certify products on that, so there's not that many sources where you can get certified and assured products from and you can usually tie them back to my lab.

00:45:13.289 --> 00:45:15.679
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We do not have accreditation for the new standard for this.

00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:21.358
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>This is a question I have to answer a lot because at the final end of the standard they made differences to the standard.

00:45:21.358 --> 00:45:25.621
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That means my rig is not 100% compliant with the standard.

00:45:25.621 --> 00:45:32.079
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>They basically changed the frequency of the data sampling from 10 to 20 hertz and I have a 10 hertz system.

00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.496
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's the difference and it annoys the hell out of me, but it's a problem.

00:45:35.496 --> 00:45:48.322
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>We'll probably fix it in the future, but so far, we are providing reliable testing for our business partners, based on the Polish path to implement the things on the market through national assessment.

00:45:48.322 --> 00:45:52.340
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>If you are interested in that, send me an email.

00:45:52.429 --> 00:45:54.478
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That's definitely not the subject for the podcast.

00:45:54.478 --> 00:46:01.596
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>This goes way too far into the assurance regimes, which are quite interesting, as you've learned from the previous episode with Abishek.

00:46:01.596 --> 00:46:04.880
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Anyway, for this short episode, that would be it.

00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:11.802
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I didn't cover everything that I wanted and I certainly did not speak in depth on many aspects of the pressurization systems.

00:46:11.802 --> 00:46:15.425
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>But thankfully there's another episode with Grzegorz Sypek a long time ago.

00:46:15.425 --> 00:46:30.869
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Many of you have not heard about that episode so I would send you there, because Grzegorz talks more about the technicalities, about how they discovered the countermeasures for stack effect, about how to design the systems properly, about how they operate from the technical perspective.

00:46:30.869 --> 00:46:33.679
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I talked more about fundamental principles in physics.

00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.318
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Grzegorz talks more about technicalities.

00:46:36.318 --> 00:46:40.021
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So it's a good companion to this podcast episode to go there.

00:46:40.471 --> 00:46:43.380
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I believe that was episode 46 or 47, somewhere around there.

00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:45.378
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I'll double check and put that in the show notes.

00:46:45.378 --> 00:46:48.496
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>And there's also the papers from myself that you can read.

00:46:48.496 --> 00:46:54.777
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Send me an email if you cannot access them, because there's much more technical, specific knowledge in that paper.

00:46:54.777 --> 00:46:59.217
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>That will answer many of the questions you may have after this podcast episode.

00:46:59.818 --> 00:47:03.451
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I hope I've empowered you to design good pressurization systems.

00:47:03.451 --> 00:47:08.603
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>I hope I convinced you that we can design good pressurization systems.

00:47:08.603 --> 00:47:40.534
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Fundamentally, it's a brilliant strategy to provide smoke-free spaces in your buildings, and if you execute it properly, if you use good technology, if you understand what you are doing, if you understand the fundamental principles behind the system, if you create a robust, resilient air path and you add additional measures to your system that increase the resiliency of it, such as the lobby with independent pressurization, you are going to have a very safe building with very good pressurization system in it.

00:47:40.534 --> 00:47:48.967
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>So that would be it for today's podcast episode, and I am looking forward to meet you up here again next Wednesday.

00:47:48.967 --> 00:47:52.150
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Another great 5-Centure content going your way.

00:47:52.150 --> 00:48:20.139
<v Wojciech Wegrzynski>Cheers Bye, Thank you.