2025 NCAA Women's Volleyball Championship Rounds 1 & 2, Power 4 Conference Awards
In this episode of Volley Talk, we talk about some of the highlights (and low points) from rounds 1 and 2 of the 2025 NCAA Women's Volleyball Championship. The fact that there are zero perfect brackets anywhere goes to show just how unpredictable some of the results were.
We also discuss the conference awards given out by the Power 4 conferences. While we agreed with most of them, there were a couple that definitely had us scratching our heads.
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Hi, volleyball fans, and welcome back to Volley Talk, the podcast created for volleyball lovers who want to dig deep into what is going on in NCAA and international volleyball. I'm your host, Sarah Pavan. I'm an Olympian, beach volleyball world champion, former Nebraska Cornhusker, and longtime pro, both indoor and on the beat. And I'm Adam Schultz, former indoor player, international volleyball coach, and the show's resident stat guy. It is the greatest time of year. Agreed. If you're an NCAA volleyball fan. This week delivered. Some surprises, some wild stuff. Some bracket busters. You think you understand what's going on, and then the universe says, no, you don't. Very exciting time. Lots of messages. Adam's bracket is up and running. We got the whole works. People are engaged. You'll love to see it. Obviously, the next few weeks are going to be focused on the NCAA volleyball tournament. And because people have been asking, the winter will be more focused on men's NCAA and professional volleyball with a bit more Europe mixed in because we have had a lot of requests for European pro volleyball. So a lot of stuff coming down the pipeline. Until Christmas, we got to see the NCAA season out. We are very excited to talk about what has been going on this week. So let's get started. There wasn't much to talk about in the weekly highlights. So we are jumping right in to... the conference awards that were announced this week we are going to talk about the power four conferences because that is predominantly what we watch and predominantly what we focus on do you have any thoughts right off the bat i do have thoughts right off the bat i'm confused when they say conference team awards a team generally denoting six people seven if you include libero and our award lists are double digits it's outrageous there shouldn't be 15 first team 25 first team in my opinion it diminishes the quality of the award you should give out seven period first team make it meaningful ladies and gentlemen keep in mind adam is new ncaa volleyball all american lists have never even been six players we can break this down conference by conference my point stands is that there's too many people getting awards it waters down i don't disagree with you there are too many people getting awards period like i said a couple weeks ago this setter of the year defensive player of the year you know we don't need that just give me player of the year give me freshman of the year and let's call it a campaign. We don't need to break it down by position. You're either the best player in the conference, the best newcomer in a conference, or you're not. And after that, like, we don't need to give an award for everybody, okay? First team, sometimes it gets a little wacky. I think, you know, more than seven makes sense to me. Like, I don't think it just needs to be capped at seven, but we can disagree on that. We'll start with the ACC. Let's see how many awards they gave out. First team, 15, due to a tie in voting. Outrageous. So I'm guessing they typically give 14, which is the number of first -team All -Americans there are. I can get behind this number. Here's how I would do it if I were to pick. I would go one person of each position. You have to pick one outside, one center, one middle, one libero, one opposite, so that you get positions represented. So you get five. And then you can pick the next five best players to put on the list. 10 max. Because there's a lot of teams. There's a lot of conferences. I get it. But 10 max. Any more than that just seems wild to me. Let me just run through the names real fast. We don't need to dive super deep into this. Just let me know any surprises, any question marks. Okay. First team All -ACC. Nialis Cabello, Chloe Chacon, Kira Cressy. Louisville. Heredia Colon and Rodriguez, Miami. Safi Hampton, North Carolina. Morgan Girt. No idea if that's how you say it. Notre Dame. Babcock, Bree Kelly, Brooke Mosher from Pitt. Avery Carlson and Malaya Jones from SMU. Lizzie Andrews, Spencer Etzler, and Elia Rubin from Stanford. I think there's three setters on that list. I think there's four setters on that list. Cabello, Rodriguez, Mosher, Carlson. Okay, four setters. My question is, if you're going to pick a Stanford freshman to put on the first team, why the heck are you picking Etzler? Erica Sayre did really well. Logan Parks did really well. I understand Parks is also a setter, so maybe that is what pushed her to second team. Who the heck knows? But of all of... You're picking the libero of all the Stanford freshmen you could pick. I just look at this and I think... Babcock is in an air of her own. She shouldn't be included in this list. This is how Adam gets around the 15 person limit. Just take her off the list. Does Safi Hampton, does she belong on the list with Olivia Babcock? I have no idea. I don't know. That's my point. Do any of these people belong on the list with Olivia Babcock? No. So what is it? Just a one person award now? No, I get that. But my point is, I think this is a little watered down. Who do you think were the best two setters on that list? I would probably say Cabello and Carlson. Yeah, that's fair. That's who I would agree with. I don't know how they pick these. But I'm like, what makes you pick Chloe Chacon over Peyton Peterson when Peterson was the highest scorer on the team for Louisville all season? Yeah, those are the things. We're going name recognition here at this point because Chloe Chacon, to me, didn't have a better season than Brooke Mosher. Should she be on it? I don't think so. I don't think so either. Everybody else, I think you could make a case. I think I could get behind everybody else. That's how we see it, okay? I think the best two players who had outstanding seasons for me, though, would be Heredia Colon and Olivia Babcock. I think those were the two standout seasons. Excellent seasons. Ruben had a great season. Yeah, that's fair. Malia Jones had a great season. You know what? I can get behind all these people. My question marks are Chacoin. I don't know enough about Hampton. Don't know enough about Gert and Etzler. Those are my question marks from that list. Sure. Okay, major awards for the ACC. Player of the Year, Olivia Babcock. Yes. Defensive Player of the Year, Bree Kelly. Setter of the Year, Avery Carlson. Freshman of the Year, Kalissa Blackshear from Louisville. And Coach of the Year, Kevin Hambly from Stanford. Olivia Babcock, yes. Coach of the Year, yes. Freshman of the Year, I'm a little surprised she got it. to be honest. Well, my thing is you have a freshman on the first team ACC in Edsler. Blackshear's not on the first team. So if you're going to give a freshman first team, how is she not freshman of the year? How do they pick these? Is this a vote from the coaches in the ACC? And do the teams have to nominate who can be eligible? I don't know. I don't know how that part works. If somebody knows, tell me, because some of this feels political to me. I feel like, Coaches put certain players forward. So that would explain. And then they are voted upon. But don't quote me on that. I really have no idea. Well, because if that's the case, then that's why you get a Chacon over a Peterson. My question mark, freshman of the year. She should be a first. There shouldn't be a freshman on the first team all ACC list if you're going to give it to her. I'm obviously player of the year. Yes, I can get behind the setter of the year. I can get coach of the year 100%. He had like freshmen. Everybody thought that they were going to tank. I'm fine with all of these except my question mark as freshman of the year. I don't know who else I would give defensive player to the year. Bree Kelly's a good blocker. Maybe Cressy, but... I mean, Louisville was like leading the country almost in blocks per set. Yeah. So that would be the other person that I would say maybe should have gotten a nod there. I don't think any of the Liberos were standout in that division. No, the only Libero that made the first team list is the Sanford one. Yeah. No. Brie Kelly or Cressy. That's fair. Yeah. I could have taken it either way, but yeah, I only have one question mark with this one too. Okay. Let's move on to the big tent. I'm boycotting this out of principle because there are 25 first team all conference, whatever they're calling them. That's ridiculous. Like it's basically like if you start for your team, congratulations, you're going to get a first team honor at the end of the season. That's four full teams. That's ridiculous. You were mad about 15 people. It doesn't mean anything. 25 people. 25 on the first team, 17 on the second team, and then they give out sportsmanship awards. What does that mean? I don't even know who these people are. You step on the court, you get an award. This has become a participation award. If you're on the team, congratulations, we will find an award for you. Unbelievable. How many were there when you played? It was too long ago. Nobody can remember, me included. Maybe 12? I don't remember because I was always on the list. Not 25, let me tell you. You know what? I don't even want to go through this list. No, no, we won't go. It's ridiculous. Give me, off the top of your head, your top 7 to 10 players in the Big Ten. Oh, yikes. Kennedy Martin. Yeah. Mimi Collier. Yeah. Bergen Riley. Andy Jackson. You're going to put Waller on that list? Yeah, she did a good job. Kenna Wallard. Are you putting Harper Murray on the list? She probably should be on the list. Charlie Furbringer. Julia Hansen. Julia Hansen did a good job this year. Honestly, I liked Alana Clemente. I don't know if she's in that conversation yet. She's who I would have given freshman of the year to, which I think she did win. I mean, Rebecca Alec had a great season. Okay, that's enough. Let's keep it at that. First team, there. Done. Simple, easy peasy. I'm not even going to go through, like I said, I'm not going through this list because it's just basically taking attendance at an elementary school. Big 10 postseason honors, the major ones. Player of the Year, Bergen Riley. Setter of the Year, Bergen Riley. Libero, Jillian Grimes from Penn State. Freshman of the Year, Alana Clemente from Oregon. And Coach of the Year, Danny Busboom Kelly. I don't have any issues with any of that. I have an issue with the Libero of the Year. This is another case that is like name recognition. Lola Schumacher crushed the digs per set statistical category in the Big Ten. Nobody was even close to Lola Schumacher defensively in the Big Ten, and I think you're just giving it to Jillian Grimes because... Because nobody paid attention to what UCLA was doing? Maybe. Yeah, I mean, Penn State finished one place above UCLA. With a tied record. I don't agree with that one, but the rest of them... Yes, I think going undefeated from a coaching standpoint needs to be recognized. I think we've talked about this before. I think it could have gone to a few people. Dave Shundell and Steve Aird. I can get behind the rest. To keep your team motivated and the way that they went about not even dropping sets, Danny had that team humming. It's impressive. I can get behind that. Yeah, I mean, you go undefeated, you have to recognize it. That is the Big Ten. Okay, let's dive into the SEC. More reasonable than the Big Ten. Similar to ACC. 16 players on the first team. Do you want to go over them all? Almost seems like they gave one to each team. Texas A &M got more than anybody. Texas only got two, and Kentucky only got three. I'm confused. Yeah, I don't understand. You're giving first team... To Kari Spears. Let me ask you this. Give me your top six in this conference. Eva Hudson, Brooklyn Delay, Tori Stafford. Agreed on all three of those. Honestly, I would say Kendall Storrs, Afena Kosakpala, and Jayla Auguste. I wouldn't even give it to Lednicki. There's a hot take for you. Come at me. And again, I think like Kari Spears started really well, but I don't think she finished well enough down the stretch. to be included in that. I mean, again, she was impressive at the beginning. Totally agree, but she kind of fell off. I don't, I'm not loving these lists that we're seeing today. They seem like they don't want to offend anybody. Lauren Dreeves, Auburn, Jayla Gust, Florida, Brianna Monecki, Georgia, Delay Hudson, O 'Brien, Kentucky, Journey Robinson from LSU, Alexis Shelton, Oklahoma, Caroline Kerr and Hayden Kubik from Tennessee. Kari Spears, Tori Stafford from Texas, Kossak Paula, Lednicki, Stowers, and Wack from Texas A &M. I would give it to Vanderwall over Spears for Texas. I would too, down the stretch. I don't think I would keep Wack on there. She led the country in assists per set, so that probably helped her a lot. I just don't love how they go about doing this. It doesn't make any... sense to me if you're gonna put some comparison of positions or how are you picking who who is it who has the most impact is it who has the most stats did you why did you get four from a and m like they finished the regular season second and then lost in the semis how do you justify four players from that team Two from Kentucky and Texas. No, three from Kentucky. That doesn't add up to me. Yeah. All right. Well, the SEC mixes things up a little bit here. I kind of like this actually. With their big awards. So, Player of the Year, Eva Hudson. Fair. Earned. Libero of the Year, Maya Sands from Missouri. What do you think about that? I feel like the SEC probably has the best liberos out of any conference. Agreed. I think Molly Tuzzo plays good defense. We all know what I think about her setting. And I think Emma Halter had a pretty good year as well. She did. Better than last year. I didn't watch Missouri play a ton. She was good last year. Those three would be fighting for that spot for me. But then we've also got a newcomer of the year in Eva Hudson. Shocker. Freshman of the year. Cassie O 'Brien from Kentucky. Fair. A scholar athlete of the year. Jackie Moore from Vanderbilt. And coach of the year was Craig Skinner from Kentucky. I agree with that as well. His team is playing well. Why do we need a newcomer? I mean, in this case, it's Eva gets both. I don't mind having the newcomer. I kind of like that. If you come to the conference, if it's with all the transfer portals, if you come and make an impact, I'm okay with that. I will say for Cassie O 'Brien. No setter of the year in this conference. They do have a libero though. I was going to say, I thought Cassie. struggled at the beginning of the year she was a kind of a one -trick pony and just setting the left sides but to her credit and to the credit of Craig Skinner and their staff she has run a much more balanced offense leading into the tournament which is good to see I think she's improved a ton so I can get behind that I have no issues with any of these picks. Okay, let's wrap this up with the Big 12. Their first team had 18 people on it. Big 12 main awards. Player of the Year, Noemi Glover from Arizona State. I thought she was outstanding this year. She was fun to watch. She performed. A little adversity with injury at the beginning of the season. No, she was good. And Arizona State was pretty dominant. I agree with that. So I'm fine with this. Libero of the Year, Rachel Van Gorp, Iowa State. Setter of the Year, Morgan Brandt. Iowa State. Freshman of the year, Suli Davis from BYU. Coach of the year, J .J. Van Neal from Arizona State. And scholar athlete of the year, Ava Armour, Central Florida. You know what? I like that as academic institutions, in air quotes for sports, that they're still giving out a scholar award. That's nice. They don't even talk about the majors of these athletes anymore. I don't think they have any. I watched Iowa State play in the tournament. A couple of their matches. Other than that, I didn't see them play much during the season, but I liked a couple of their pieces. I can get behind. I thought the setter did a decent job. I thought the libero played well in a couple of their matches. I mean, they only played two that I watched, but if you asked me who was the best setter in that conference, I'm not sure anybody. I can get behind player of the year, freshman of the year, coach of the year. If you look at the first team list for the four conferences and you were to put a roster together. For each conference, who do you think would win? Dropping this question? I'm dropping it. I was thinking about it. I was looking at these lists. I think Big 12 would be at the bottom. Yeah, Big 12 is at the bottom. Because like Big 10, you've got like a Bergen -Riley, Kennedy -Martin, Mimi Collier, Andy Jackson, and Rebecca Al - Big 10 could be solid. ACC would be Avery Carlson, Olivia Babcock. Brie Kelly. Brie Kelly, Keira Cressy. And then the left sides would be... That's where they would struggle. Elia Rubin. They would not struggle with Elia. Dude, these would be good. And then... SEC would be... Well, you'd have... Like Cassie O 'Brien with... The left sides in the SEC, who do you pick? Tori Stafford and Eva Hudson? Yeah. Delay is your third option. And then you'd have a good libero in the SEC. But you wouldn't have a right side. Lednicki, who I took off of the first team list. Goodbye. The middles, Kossak, Paula, and... Jayla Auguste? Yeah. Dude, let's put a conference match together. Just take the Big 12 out of it. Yeah, that would be, I think that would be interesting. I'm curious what other people think. I think this is an interesting exercise. Post your lists on YouTube. I'm curious to see. We're just kind of throwing this out here without much thought. Adam just completely caught me unaware with that question. I was just thinking about it. It's an interesting question. Catch yourself on the back for that one. Anyway, let us know what you think. Okay, those are the major awards. For the Power 4 conferences. Honestly, though, I said what I said. Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year, Coach of the Year. Let's cap it at that. I don't need all the other stuff. 10 to 12 athletes max, first team. 10 to 12 max, please. Nobody wants to make a hard decision. Make the hard decision. Make it worth something. These awards should mean something. You know what? If you're giving it out to everybody, who cares? You fielded six teams in the Big Ten. Half. Half of the people got awards. Yeah, stop it. Outrageous. Just stop it. So, yeah, let us know what you think. People are probably going to be like, stop it. There should be 50 people on the list. I don't know. I think people are going to agree with us. I don't think you should hand it cheapens the awards. I think it for sure cheapens the award. It means nothing. Anyway, let us know what you think. Do you agree with us? Do you disagree with us? We know you guys aren't shy of letting us know. Okay, let's dive in to rounds one and two of the NCAA tournament. Obviously, there's a ton of matches. Yeah, we are going to hit the highlights, the bracket busters, the things people want to talk about. I want to say over 300 people joined Adam's bracket challenge that he built. I'm pretty excited about it. It's fun. I apologize that the results aren't updated in real time. So for everybody who was refreshing their bracket after matches finished and it didn't work, my apologies. It was me. That was me. We'll build that in for next time along with one suggestion of a chat option so we can trash talk each other, which I'll get behind. I am like begging. The set modifier is really... Oh, it's fun. It's got me just hoping that teams just squeak out a set. A team will roll the first two sets and I'm like, no, they have to win in four. This team better get it together. Like the North Carolina -Wisconsin game. I'm like, you guys, come on, get it together. They almost did. But anyway, great job, Adam. Great job to everybody who signed up. Appreciate all the feedback that I got about that. So thank you. And if anybody has any other ideas, hit us up. I'm happy to incorporate them for next time. So let's go through round one. The marquee match that messed everybody up was Tennessee getting upset by Utah State. I don't think a lot of people saw that coming. Although I sure didn't. I thought Tennessee had. Plenty of opportunities to put that game away, and they just couldn't make it happen. It was super frustrating to watch. I was upset. Utah State played great defense in that match, and they kept the rallies going. Utah State had won like 21 matches in a row leading into that. So my bad, not doing my research on that team, but I would have picked Tennessee anyway. No, I did. I went back and looked at... all of the team's records before I made my picks. And yeah, they beat a ton of teams, but they didn't have a ton of wins of note, which is why I thought Tennessee having better competition leading into the tournament would be able to pull it out. Now, Utah had a couple athletes who were pretty long who played well. That girl running that slide had a fast arm. Very fast arm. Utah had some good players. They were pretty fundamentally sound. I thought their setter did a good job delivering the ball. They surprised me. And obviously, they surprised Tennessee. And I think they surprised every single person in our bracket. They pushed Arizona State in the second round. Well, no. After day one, not one person in our challenge had a perfect bracket anymore. I think that match messed up everybody. You know what messed me up real bad and I'm not over it? BYU Cal Poly. Because you know what? I said in our preview episode, hey, I think BYU could potentially lose to Cal Poly. They lost to Loyola Chicago last year. I second -guessed myself. I said that, and I second -guessed myself, and I was like, you know what? There's no way. There's no way they're going to do this twice in a row. So I picked them to beat Cal Poly, and I am not over that. I'm not over it. Do you think that's a fireable offense? 100%. That's two years in a row. There is no reason this team should be losing first -round NCAA tournament two years in a row. Especially when they have the personnel. And one of the BYU fans sent us that question a couple weeks ago being like, something's wrong with this team. Like, why do they not win when they're so good? They don't. Their fundamentals are awful. They don't set each other well out of system. They make a ton of errors. They're inconsistent from the baseline. But then they have matches that they're so good. They literally looked like they could not play volleyball in that match. It's a preparation and mentality thing for me, I think. When they think they should win matches versus when they don't think they have a chance. And just executing skills at a base level. You called games in the Big West. You saw Cal Poly play. Well, that's why I didn't think you would lose to them. And granted, they played well. And they had a good winning stretch coming in. They were feeling good about themselves. No pressure. All of that. But BYU, if I was the AD there after those two years and those two performances with the athletes they have. Bye. Bye. Gone. I think so. You know what else I can't let slide? They're little. Going down with that injury. Crying on the floor. Gets carried off the floor. Yeah. You get carried. Notches off the floor, out of the arena. You go back to the locker room, NHL style. Gets stitched up. I thought she was done for good. I thought it was like career -ending injury. You're okay? No. This girl comes back literally two plays later. And is jumping. That was wild. That's all right. You're on the ground sobbing. You get carried off the court and then you're back jumping two plays later. I can't get over that either. But that to me is a microcosm of how the team functions. Adam, searching for deeper meanings. But really, this happens. It's the end of the world. It's all over. Oh, wait. No, I'm okay. We can keep going. That's what it looks like. Sometimes there's an out -of -system set and the person who's setting the ball looks surprised that that's their job. Or that's what they're doing. Yeah, it looked very disorganized. And she should be the one setting the tone for that team. Things are not looking good at BYU. That's two in a row. You know what other first -round match messed me up? I should have had Faith and Marquette. I thought Western Kentucky was going to be sneaky because they're usually pretty sneaky. You don't hear much about them. They fly under the radar, but they're usually good to get a win in the tournament. So I was like, you know what? They're going to do it. That pick. Put me ahead of you. That pick is going to be the one that comes back to bite me. That one in BYU, if I had gone with like, A, if I hadn't tried to be so sneaky with Western Kentucky, that's one thing. But if I had gone with my gut on BYU, those two are going to be the end of me. Marquette played really well in the tournament too. Yes, they're actually really good. They're a very good team. They played a pretty heavy preseason schedule, which is why I ended up picking them. in terms of who they competed with. I liked watching them play. I thought their fundamentals were actually very good when I watched them. They don't have the horses, per se, as the other teams, but from a pure volleyball standpoint, I was very impressed. Big mistake by me. Do you know who had me sweating the most? Which game killed me? It was my favorite team, UCLA, going five with Georgia Tech. I picked five. In that one. Because UCLA, classic example. They really excel against teams that they're not supposed to beat, a .k .a. pushing Kentucky to four. 30 -28 in two sets. And going five with Georgia Tech. They do not show up against teams that they quote unquote should beat. I was like, classic. So that was a sweating one, but it got me that point modifier. So I was happy about that. And I think the other one that people struggled with was the UNI Utah game. I actually, I had picked Utah on that one. Well, and Creighton going five with Northern Colorado. Are you kidding me? Oh, yeah. I didn't watch that one, but I saw the numbers after. I was like, oof, that would have hurt me because I had Creighton playing Arizona State. Yes. I have Creighton beating Arizona State. And after these two matches that they just played, I'm like, that was probably an error of judgment on my part. I think everything else in the first round was relatively straightforward. Definitely a couple matches that a lot of people were on the fence about and picked both ways. Well, when it's the eight seed, because technically that's like an 8 -9, like those ones can kind of go either way. So those ones are tricky. What's interesting watching those teams, some of them stack their preseason so early so that their record is just ridiculous. Like they don't lose because they beat everybody. And then some of those teams actually work to play legitimate teams and legitimate matches. Like BYU's preseason? I found it interesting doing a little research on how coaches structured their... Again, I had this pointed out. It's not preseason. It's pre -conference play. Tomato, tomato, everyone. Yeah. Okay. You know what I mean. Round two. I had faith in Miami. So did I. I thought they were going to ride that one player. Well, that was. Till Nebraska. That was my mentality as well. Kansas doesn't have a horse. And I thought that. I was like, this one player. in Heredia Cologne can totally beat Kansas. No, it could not. Kansas had an outstanding game plan to slow her down. They took her to the ground. They took her to the ground. Which no team had been successful at so far this season that we have seen. And they blocked her. I mean, they stuck with the game plan that we talked about for Babcock where we're just going to send two blockers out in her face all the time. And, I mean, she was swinging and swinging, and they were getting touches. To her credit, she just kept going. She knew that if the team was going to win, she needed to just keep swinging, and she could not let up. She got blocked very aggressively many times. Kansas was disciplined with their strategy, with their serving, with their blocking. I was impressed. Watching that match, I was like, man, they were very prepared. I was impressed with their serving. Yes. And how they were able to just completely take her to the ground and take her out of some options. And I'm disappointed that Miami didn't see this coming and that they didn't have an alternative or an alternate strategy to shift to at least try and throw Kansas off. Miami didn't make any changes. They just kept setting her the ball over and over and over again and were hoping for a different result. Well, we tuned in. Well, I tuned in after Miami was down 0 -2. Heredia Colon did not start well. Well, and I don't think their right side or left side started well either because by the time I started watching, I was like, these players haven't played all season. Yeah, it was not great for Miami. I thought they should have. With a player like that, you should have been able to win, I think. You had one player that you were relying on the whole season. Kansas has more pieces. They needed to take the Kentucky approach where they, yes, you have those players, but we're working to get everybody else. But let's work on everybody else. Yeah. So that one messed me up. I was worried that Texas A &M was not going to pull it out against TCU because I had them going relatively far. And I will give TCU credit. They played better than I had seen them play in the second half of the season. Their setter's still... and set some real bad balls that were head scratches. If you are a scorekeeper at one of their games, watch out. I actually, I didn't think that Texas A &M and TCU match was a good volleyball game. There were. Lednicki wasn't. No, she was swinging straight, but just free balls, bad tips, bad, the number of sets that went over the net on both sides, out of system, miss serves. It was. Net violations. It was messy. It just wasn't a good game. Texas A &M pulled it out, but yeah, it was ugly. I didn't enjoy watching that game from a volleyball standpoint. No, not great. What were your thoughts on Marquette -Louisville? I thought they served really well. I thought Louisville struggled to pass, which again, Cressy couldn't get the ball. I didn't think Cressy started very well. Marquette was... They had a good game plan. Finally stopped Blackshear on that meter ball in the middle. She did score on one, though. She scored on one, but finally she got blocked on one. I was like, thank you. Somebody finally paid attention. But to her credit, and I know she's taken some shrapnel from us, Chloe Chacon played really, really well. And Marquette could not. They were so focused on Cressy. seam in the middle and she was taking it and moving the ball around well she was the reason they won I didn't think Cressy had a great match they didn't start blocking very well and then they started to to find a rhythm and build back in but they were they were in danger they managed the fifth set well but Marquette gave them a match and again I was impressed with Marquette's volleyball skill with how they handled the match how they served what their game plan was, very well coached, very disciplined. Marquette was good, and I think Louisville, they weren't lucky, but that was maybe the best match I've seen Chacoin play, and they were lucky that she had that match against this team. Well, now we've got two teams that are not looking great, in my opinion, playing each other, Louisville and Texas A &M. I'm curious what that match is going to be like. I think I picked Texas A &M to win that one. No, did I? No, we'll see. Another team that wasn't looking as crisp as I was hoping, because I have them going pretty far, was Stanford. And they were playing at home. And I think it's worth mentioning Logan Parks did not dress for either match. I hope she's okay. They need her. Save my bracket and come back next week, please. I hope she'll be back. Because I had them beating Wisconsin as well. So we will see what happens with that. I think they'll be fine. They've got a couple freshmen. They were missing parks. They got a little bit of experience. I think they'll be okay. I think they're going to play well against Wisconsin. That's one of the matches I think is going to be very entertaining next week. I hope so. But I'm worried that Stanford's not going to step up. I trust Hanley to have that team ready to go. This is the thing about... The first round. There's so much volleyball going on. It's very exciting, but you don't see a lot of these teams. And anytime you have teams with expectations of beating teams that aren't in the power for conferences, and then you have teams that are good but have no expectations and they're just playing free. Like a Marquette versus Louisville situation. Totally. They're a good team. They know how to play volleyball, but do they fully expect to beat Louisville? Probably not. Those are very dangerous games. Very dangerous games. So you definitely see some of that top teams having to work through the expectation of winning, maybe not being as familiar with those teams as you have before. I watched Utah and they had a couple athletes. I was like, man, that's a really good player. What are they doing at Utah? Do you know what I mean? No, that's a good point. It's kind of counterintuitive. And I've spoken about this before of how hard it is to play just random teams. The volleyball, while on paper the matches next week should be more difficult, I think in a sense they are easier because the teams are all of a similar ranking -ish, similar like. on paper skill set. And it's the type of preparation and you've seen each other play before that it's not a shock to the system. Totally. So while it's harder, it's also easier. It should be a higher level and a cleaner volleyball because the preparation and expectation will be in line with what they're used to. Can we just talk about the last match for me that was just a jaw dropper? I have two on my slate, but go ahead. Cal Poly USC. Oh, boy. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Cal Poly had the weekend of their lives. And they, again, to their credit, they played incredibly well. Watching Cal Poly, it was like old school college, you know? It looked like... They were all so excited. They were a team. They were just playing for each other. No NIL money. No. Yeah. They were playing for each other for the joy of the sport. It was just like the olden day pure NCAA volleyball from their attitude and demeanor and stuff like that, which I thought was great. What was your take on USC's performance? Well, I think both BYU and USC underestimated them. And both teams looked like they thought they were going to roll through them. I agree. And this is what we talk about all the time. It's like you need to treat every opponent the exact same with the same amount of respect. You need to prepare the exact same. Your conversations need to be like the same as far as, you know, how you speak about them and like how good they are. That is something I'm always so curious about what the staff was like leading into those matches. Because the staff talk, right? You talk about the opponents. You do this. And the athletes know. They can tell what you're saying. They understand and read your body language. I'm just always so fascinated about how the staffs approach them. Do they know? Were they happy that BYU lost? And you have to remember they're both from California. Guaranteed USC looks at Cal Poly as like the little sister or the secondary California division. Like that is built into how they would have looked at that match. And yeah, you gotta, you cannot do that. USC blew a golden opportunity to get great experience for their young players and their young team. They're going to kick themselves for that one. They were not good. it almost looked like when the mistakes happened, they were just like shaking them off as in they were too cool for this match. That's kind of the vibe. When the match ended, I expected more shock and emotion from them. They just walked off the court. They just walked off the court. Yeah. I was like stunned. Yeah. The last thing that popped into my head or that I thought was worth mentioning was that Creighton, I was expecting more from and they did not look good. I didn't think they looked good either. If they show up, Next week and play the way they did Arizona State, who is very consistent, very strategic, very steady, is going to kick them in the teeth. So I'm curious to see. And I mean, we've talked about this personally. I think this is a huge byproduct of having zero competition in conference. I mean, Marquette's in their conference. Great. You get one. You get one good match, right? Again. I think Creighton is good enough to compete in one of those top four conferences. Unfortunately, they don't get to, but I think it's so hard to stay focused and sharp when you're just winning. Well, and now they're playing out of Omaha. Correct. Like you're not going to have your massive fan base, like kind of boosting you along next weekend. Yeah. I'm very curious to see what product they put on the floor. So those were the, highlights from where we're sitting and the matches that really busted up our brackets. I'm upset. There's a couple that I'm just not going to get over. It's tough stuff. But yeah, those are the ones. We watched a ton of volleyball this weekend. I was a little annoyed that on Saturday all of the games were kind of at the same time. Yeah, what are you doing? We were flipping. I wanted to start watching volleyball at 9 a .m. and finish watching at 8 p .m. That was my goal. Like, give Adam what he wants, okay? Come on. But no, lots of games overlapped, which was unfortunate. Another reason that Stanford should have hosted in the Pacific time zone would have made that a little easier. Right? You could have just moved across the country. Okay. One thing I wanted to do really quickly is obviously we have a bunch of matches coming up. I wanted to run over one thing, kind of the key insight for each team if they were to win their next round. Next round or make the final four? No, no, their next round. Okay, got it. So, you know, Nebraska has to do this to beat Kansas. Kansas has to do this to beat Nebraska. Just one thing, one highlight of if that would happen. Now, the Nebraska -Kansas example might be a bad one. I don't think Kansas is going to win. But for some of the other ones, what would be your kind of key focus if they're going to come out on top? So let's start with the Nebraska -Kansas match. What do you think Nebraska has to do to beat Kansas? pass well to run the middle. I would agree. I was going to say show up, but... That too. What do you think Kansas would have to do to upset Nebraska? They will have to execute a serving strategy the way they did against Miami. Looking at Texas A &M and Louisville, what is the key for Texas A &M? Lednicki's going to have to score some points. I think for Louisville... They're going to have to get Cressy the ball, and she is going to have to be a focal point. I think the chances of Chacoin having a night the way she did is probably unlikely, and Blackshear needs to score some points as well. Okay, what about for SMU? I think for SMU, they have to limit their errors. Purdue is a team that makes you beat them. I think SMU is much more physical. They have to score and keep their errors low, in my opinion. And then I think for Purdue, they need to extend rallies. They want to make... the hitters for SMU frustrated, keep them going, force them into making shots they're uncomfortable with. And I think, again, they're trying to force SMU into making mistakes. What do you think for Minnesota against Pitt? Pitt's block causes people a lot of problems, especially when teams are forced to set the left side. So they're going to have to run a balanced offense and put their setter in a position to set three hitters. And then for Pitt, I mean, Olivia Babcock can take over matches by herself, but if the going gets tough, we're going to have to see Bayless and Pazell limit their errors and be efficient. Looking at the Cal Poly and Kentucky match, I think Kentucky just needs to pass and run the middle at least a little bit. And for Cal Poly... They're going to need to try and take out either that front court left side or the pipe ball so that they can focus their block in on one of those two major hitters. You want to try and make the middles and right sides beat you for Cal Poly. What do you think about Arizona State and Creighton? I think Arizona State needs to do their best to neutralize Ava Martin and make somebody else score. What do you think about for Creighton? For Creighton, I think they need to apply service pressure. Arizona State is generally a pretty balanced team. If they can keep them out of system, I think they have a good chance. Two matches left. What is your analysis of the Wisconsin -Stanford match? For Stanford, I think Logan Parks needs to be back, but somebody did bring up having your first NCAA tournament match as a freshman be in the Sweet 16 against Wisconsin is a big ask. how that will go period yeah but regardless that would be my answer is just have Logan Parks back so they can get back to the rhythm they've been in all season yeah I think these two teams are actually quite even I I'm going to say I think it's going to come down to who sets a better match between the two setters because they all they both have weapons and who serves better those are I think those are going to be keys. I think, honestly, I think Wisconsin will win the setting battle. Stanford serves super aggressive. They miss a ton of serves. Will the pressure they're putting on Wisconsin outweigh the errors they make, though? Yeah. And then Texas -Indiana, I think that Texas needs to have solid blocks up on the Indiana hitters. They run speed, and they try and create holes in the block. The blockers need to be disciplined. They need to have a plan for if they don't get closed and how that defense works together against the hitters in that regard. I think that'll be the key for Texas. And then I think Indiana needs to pass, and they need to be in system. If they're not controlling the ball, they don't have a chance because they're not as physical as Texas. So they're going to have to have good ball control and rely on their fast offense. So those are the things that we think will need to happen for those different teams to win. Something to think about and we'll see if any of those come true. Okay, we are going to be following the brackets as always. I think I refresh my page after every game and I'm like, Adam, why isn't this updating? Get up there and fix it. But it's been so much fun to follow along, engage with you guys on YouTube, on Instagram about what's happening. So let us know the matches that surprised you the most and the ones that you're most looking forward to this coming week because regionals weekend is the best. I think this might be my favorite weekend of the whole tournament. You've got lots of games still going on. Lots of people fighting to get to the final four. The volleyball should be at a really high level in general. Teams that are there expect to be there. I'm pumped. Regional. This might be a hot take, but regionals weekend in some senses is more exciting than final four weekend because there's just like something so magical about like making that push to the final four. You know what I mean? Yes. And so these teams like a lot of. teams, the final four is like the pinnacle. And I mean, there are obviously teams who are like, no, it's national championship or bust. I totally get it. But it's just like the herd overcoming the hurdle of making the final four is like such a benchmark that the regional weekend is just like so charged. You know what I mean? Yeah. To go from, if you go into the final four, Your program is legit. It's an amazing season. And then everybody in the Final Four, unless you win, is just kind of meh. There's so much excitement to qualify for the Final Four that there's two rounds. You're working through it. Everybody still has a chance. When you get to the Final Four, I almost feel like there's a relief. that comes from making it because it's such a big goal. It's such a standard for so many programs. And again, I know we'll talk about Nebraska, you know, win or bust. And then your four teams get there and one team wins. Like it doesn't matter if you make it to the final four unless you win. But making it to the final four is a huge accomplishment for the program. That's kind of what I was trying to articulate. Loved having you guys in on the bracket. Like Sarah said, we loved all the comments and following along. Keep sending us messages. We're watching tons of volleyball. And we'll do a little bracket update for the users next week once we've got all the results in. But I think currently I'm sitting at 15 and Sarah's at 21. So we'll make a push here. I'm telling you, it's at Western Kentucky. A massive error by me. And it's not trusting myself with BYU. I'm never going to forget this. If you had gotten those two matches right, I think you'd be in the lead. I would 100 % be in the lead. Because you know what? I nailed a bunch of set scores too. Gotta get those modifiers. I mean, I can't catch up. I'm upset. Question one. I believe we have had a question very similar to this in the past. But I've had a couple more people ask me this in recent weeks. So let's just address it. again and if we haven't addressed it then I'm just wrong but basically the question is why is it that the setter is faces the left side of the court they're asking do you think it's because the majority of hitters are right -handed and that's just like how things developed and there aren't a ton of left -handed setters so they're like offensively it's not super conducive to success by putting the setter on the right side of the court? And would it even be feasible to put the setter on the left side of the court facing the right? Yeah, I mean, I can't speak to how the game developed. I'm assuming it has mostly to do with keeping as many right -handed hitters in front of the setter as possible, probably specifically the middle. right having to having a left -handed middle and having to push the set when you're running quicks and other things make it more challenging um that would be my guess you have the odd left -handed player so perfectly then you have an opposite somebody who's also hand is closer to the setter and everything was developed for right -handed people at that point in time anyway so it just made sense that your attackers were in front of you and close right -handedness to the location of the setter. That's, that's my guess. I don't know about for sure. I will say in college, a few times we had, if a team had a really big left side hitter and our setter was in the front row, the odd time we would have her block on the left side and run the offense from the left side of the court. Yeah, it's, it's definitely possible. There's nothing that says you can't do it. It's just vision wise from the hitters. it makes more sense with the majority of people being right -handed. But really, whatever gives you the advantage. All right, question two. Although DBK is the Big Ten Coach of the Year, many people continue to say that she's just riding John Cook's coattails. Can you explain why that's bullshit? In other words, what does she do differently? I mean, yes, the athletes that are in the program were recruited by John Cook. But John didn't have a... Perfect season last year. John never had a perfect season with this group. I mean, the same could have been said about him into the year 2000 when he went undefeated and won the national championship. What does she do differently? I mean, we're not there in the day to day, but given observing the athletes, I think a, she can relate to them on an athlete level. She's been there. She's done that. She is female. I think. seeing the interactions and stuff it seems a lot more I don't know just they're not on an even even playing field but there's a little but it's closer yes I would I would agree with that I think the way she's able to relate to her players is different for the reasons I just said I also she subs more players in and out I think she's done a really good job and again this is observational analysis, but I think she's done a good job of creating accountability for the most part with the team in terms of there's people that can come in and out. She's obviously willing to do that. She sat Bergen Riley, you know, albeit briefly, but when she wasn't playing well, the athletes look prepared to compete for the majority of the time against all opponents. So I think her preparation. Is probably different than John's not good or bad, just different. And the athletes are responding like they've been ready to go for every match all year. You can't take that away from her. And I would say. Managing a program like Nebraska where you have so many top athletes that could be starters at other programs is very difficult. And year after year, we do see players from Nebraska enter the portal. I am curious if we will see any players enter the portal this year or if she has done a good enough job at making everybody feel important in their role and happy. Yeah, it'll be interesting. So we'll see what happens there. Okay, question three. How do you feel about having co -champions in conferences? And an example that was given was the D2GNAC conference had... Four co -champions this year. I mean, it's what you get if you don't have a conference tournament at the end of the season. No, I see. I disagree with that. Sometimes it is the case. But what if you play twice and you split? And what if you go the same sets? You know what I mean? There are instances where there is a tie. Fine, but you can put in three or four tie -break procedures that matter. Four is extreme. Yes. That statistically you are probably never going to hit. So for me, I like the tie break procedure because it forces you to be ready to go and to play all the time. It's not just wins and losses. It's about how you compete. It's about how you win. It's about if you're having an off day, can you take a set? I personally think it should be one, two, three, four, all the way down. I don't like ties. I want to see a winner. No, I don't like ties either, and I don't want my previous statement to be interpreted as like, yeah, great idea. No. Do I want to share a title with somebody? Absolutely not. Do I want to share it with three other teams? Extra no. I think four co -champions is ludicrous. It's outrageous. It's like 25 first -team All -Americans or whatever we're doing here. It's all ridiculous. Yeah, and I agree. If you go far enough down the list, you will. hit a tiebreaker that works yes I don't love co -champions but I also don't really love the end of season conference championship too because the number of teams I get screwed over by that like have such a great season and then happen to drop a match to some team and I'll use the big west as an example UC Davis was crushing the big west all season okay I think They maybe dropped one game in conference all season. They were number one. Then they have to play the Big West tournament, and Cal Poly beats them. And now UC Davis has to sit here and watch Cal Poly go to the Sweet 16 when they literally dominated their conference all season. I know you guys could tell me, yeah, well, they should have shown up. If they were that good, they should have shown up. They're saying something to be consistent over like 18 to 20 matches in a season. Yeah, I agree. I like the consistency. I like when the regular season matters. It's not just top six and flip the coin. I think that consistency for me personally should be rewarded. I like how they do it in soccer. It's very similar. It's like the champion. They have a little bit of a playoff at some point, but you winning the regular season is generally. What soccer are you talking about? I'm like, do you even watch soccer? I don't watch a ton of soccer, but if I'm not mistaken, like winning the league and having the best league record. What league? The NCAA? No, like Champions League. Oh my gosh. I'm like this man. I've never seen him watch a soccer game in my life. You know what soccer we watch? Welcome to Wrexham. That's about it. I mean, that's English soccer. But my point was, I think the consistency in winning regular season should matter. And I agree. I think. The conference champions should be based off the regular season record. All right. Question four. What are your thoughts on small conference teams that make the tournament but get crushed in round one? Well, what do we want to put them against each other and let them make the sweet 16? Like, that would be ridiculous, too. So we like it sucks. I feel bad for them. But like, if you go to a mid, like some, a mid -major or small conference, I feel like making the tournament is such a huge accomplishment. Like they're under no illusion of what's going to happen here. But I think so like their benchmark, like if you're in a power four, your benchmark and your goal is to win a national championship or make a final four. Like if you go to a small conference school, your national championship equivalent is qualifying for the NCAA tournament. And you can tell by how they react when the selection show comes on. Yeah. And again, every once in a while, one of those teams gets an upset and gets to go. Like there's always a chance. Look at Cal Poly. I know that's not a small, small school. But a mid -major. But a mid -major who's going to the Sweet 16. It can happen and everybody is playing college sport and you should get a shot to compete whether you're going to be competitive or not. And I don't have any issue with that personally. I think it adds to bringing everybody together, volleyball players from across the country. And like, yeah, what's the alternative? Let them win a game? Like, that's not really... upholding the integrity of sport either yeah well i mean look at all look at the olympics right you have teams that get to go that are some people are happy to be at the olympics and some people are there to win and that's just the way sport works yeah i feel bad for them but what are you gonna do Question five. Do you think teams would benefit from having non -conference games in the middle of the season similar to NCAA basketball? I know UConn plays Tennessee, South Carolina around the middle of the season. When it comes to determining how a bracket shakes out, I think it could give a better picture for the postseason. I mean, you do see non -conference matchups midway through the season. Just like, for example, you saw Colorado play Northern Colorado. Yeah. Mid -season. It's not the same. Those are rivalry games, right? That they have penciled in every year. And like when I, back when I was in college, we would play Creighton in the middle of the season. Creighton was no good back then. And I know it's not like, hey, middle of the season, Nebraska plays Texas. I think it's really hard to do. I think there's a ton of games already. I think there's a couple cases where it would be beneficial. Like right now, Creighton. would benefit from being able to play a couple really good teams. Marquette. Marquette. There's a couple teams where they should be a quote -unquote power four team, but their school's not in that conference. Or maybe if you're like a bubble team for RPI, you have a chance to play a higher -ranked team to try to boost your RPI and give yourself a chance to get an at -large bid or something. Yeah, I think there would be some sort of mini, I don't want to call it a plan, but if you're ranked... 55 to 70, you get two matches against like a top 15 team, not necessarily a top 10 or something along the lines. It could be interesting. I don't think it will ever happen. I just don't know how it happened because they're traveling so much and playing so much. And like, when do they go to school? And the conferences have gotten so large. Like if you're in the big 10, you're traveling across the country. Like you're playing professional sports at this point. But I do think it's an interesting concept, and I think if they could pull it off in a meaningful way, it would be interesting and valuable and beneficial for those teams. All right, question six. Given how Penn State's season has ended, I wanted to bring up the topic of Kennedy Martin again regarding transferring. Do you think if Izzy Stark were to go to Texas that Martin may go as well, provided that their relationship is okay? Could we potentially see a Texas lineup with Stark? Kennedy Martin, Kari Spears and Tori Stafford on the outside, Gary at Libero, and then Ames and Harvey in the middle. I don't think Kennedy Martin is going to go to Texas if she were to transfer. Something just tells me no. I've been surprised before, though. I can't speak for Kennedy Martin, but for me, if I came to a school thinking we were going to be competitive and my teammate did that, I would be a little sour. I probably wouldn't follow her anywhere. Yeah, I'm not sure I'm following her anywhere. So I don't think this is a realistic scenario. Okay, let's say it is. How do you think this team would do? Well, I have one other thought about this. I don't think Spears takes Vanderwall's spot on the left side. I was thinking that when I read this question. I'm like, do we think Spears would beat out Vanderwall on the left side? I'm not sure. I mean, this team would still be very good, but you're still hosed in the middle. Yeah, the middle. Like, Harvey might be, she's young, she might be getting better. But, like, Ames is not doing what I thought she would do in college, honestly. Yeah. But, I mean, they would be good. Can you imagine Tori Stafford, Izzy Stark, and Kennedy Martin on the same team? That would be pretty sick, though. There's a lot of firepower there. All right, question seven. Could you explain how it's possible to get drafted in the MLV if you are a love student athlete? And you have no intention of playing. Sometimes MLV might be uncertain if an athlete will play for them. And in those cases, like for example, an Eva Hudson case or a Koss Akpala case this year, there is a chance that a love team will pick them up, but they are drafted by MLV teams. So the team gets their rights. So should those athletes decide not to play love, not go overseas and want to play MLV, they have the rights to those players. So they can't compete against them. Do those rights exist in perpetuity? I think it's for two years. Okay. I know an example that was shared with me was for two, they have the rights for two years. Okay. So that's why you often see the love student athletes. get drafted by mlv so they're not you're not sure as a viewer where they're going to end up things are tied the loose ends are tied up no matter where they choose to go and it's not a bad strategy especially for athletes on the fringe because love is continually bringing in international athletes to try and improve the level so there might not be a spot from them even if you're a sponsored love athlete i mean take that nil money if you want like for sure take that nil money and then if they don't want you Go play MLB if you got drafted. But I'm pretty sure that's how it works. That makes sense. Okay, last question of the day. I'm curious about the role of coach versus assistant coach versus other key coaching staff roles. What are the typical work responsibilities for each role and what are the different relationships that a player can expect with each staff member they interface with? The comments made about Dan Meske's transition made me interested about this. Yeah, I mean, I can speak to my personal experience. It probably is a little bit different in the NCAA, so you can correct me if your experience is different. I think the head coach is responsible generally for setting the expectations and the direction of the team, so they would meet with their position coaches, which are generally the assistant coaches. This is what we need to work on. you know, what is your plan for the week, how all of that works. They're also pulling together the stats guys and generally doing the main game plan for the different matches that they're playing so that they're ready and prepared. So they're kind of guiding the other players and it depends on what the relationship with the assistant is. Some of them, they're probably mentoring. Some of them are there to actually run practice and be like. If you were a middle and you're a head coach, you probably bring in a setter coach or a passing coach because that's not your area of expertise. So you see the best coaches try and surround themselves with people of expertise in things that maybe they're not the best at. And then you have a recruiting coach as well who kind of brings up all of the potential people for the program. Was that how it was for you? Yeah. So the head coach is usually responsible for... All key decisions made in match or otherwise they're responsible for they're the face of the program. So any media responsibilities, if you're a mid -major, they tend to have to do the fundraising. If you don't have a director of operations, they do the travel and all the admin stuff. As you get to the bigger programs, there are director of operations that kind of take care of that for you. But like being the face of the program, it's like. You are doing media, you're making all the big decisions, and you are like closing the deals from a recruiting perspective. Assistants typically have closer relationships with the players, I would say. They tend to be more a closer level with the players, more fun, whereas the head coach tends to be more business. The assistants, yeah, definitely. All the coaches on my staff, associate head coach, head coach assistants, took different positions based on their expertise and trained them that way. Yeah, you typically see the assistants nowadays, at least, being the ones that are up and more vocal during matches. Maybe it's because the head coaches are sometimes older. And they take on more of the traveling roles for recruiting. You see the assistants kind of like... Make the initial identifications and then it kind of goes up the ladder that way. So and then graduate assistants or managers are usually not consulted about anything. They are just there and it's just like be an arm at practice. You are going to be this player and then you just play. So. Yeah, I would say the head coach often has a more impersonal relationship with the players. Assistant coach are closer on a personal level and then graduate assistants and stuff because they're around the same age are closer. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I answer the question, but obviously the matches to watch this week are everything NCAA. And there's Club World Championships for women. Club World Championships this week as well. You can catch that on VBTV. I believe the schedule was posted there as well. Check out the Orlando Valkyries for North America. We've got the usual suspects, Corneliano. We've got some Brazilian teams, China. And for all of those of you who are asking about if we're covering pro, I'll say it again. I said it at the top of the show. Pro and Europe and all of that. We'll be coming after NCAA. Regionals week, baby. 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