Episode 30 - Was Jesus the First Feminist?

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<v Speaker 14>Welcome to Spirit Outspoken, the podcast for Christians who are ready to explore the deeper side of faith.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>Hello and welcome to episode 30 of Spirit Outspoken.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>I can't believe that we are already 30 episodes in, and I'm so proud of us.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>I wonder if that's a new milestone because like, remember when it was

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>what was

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<v Rachael>20?

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<v Rachael>Like a handful go on beyond.

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<v Rachael>20 Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Episodes.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Which we're still standing.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>I can see though, if you were doing this on your own, it's so much work.

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<v Rachael>I don't think I would be able to do this on my own.

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<v Rachael>No way.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Honestly, I would've thrown in the towel like week one.

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<v Rachael>I would like, I talk

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Talk

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<v Rachael>to myself.

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<v Rachael>Well, that too.

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<v Rachael>I, I know.

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<v Rachael>I think I, I would be okay in that department, but it's also like.

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<v Rachael>I dunno.

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<v Rachael>This is just so much fun.

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<v Rachael>We're just like hanging out and chitchatting and doing what we normally do.

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<v Rachael>We're just doing it with cameras.

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<v Rachael>I love it.

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<v Rachael>Okay, so what are we talking about?

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<v Rachael>Well, last week if you joined us, we talked about epigenetics, which is basically how our genes express themselves.

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<v Rachael>And we talked about how genes can be turned on or turned off based on our environment, right?

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>And so this kind of ties into that a little bit in that.

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<v Rachael>This week we're going to go all the way back to the time in which Jesus lived, and we're gonna look at how women were treated.

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<v Rachael>And the reason we could kind of like tie this into last week is just because, right?

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<v Rachael>Like regardless of what continent your ancestors came from, women historically we're not treated well.

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>We were, we can all agree we're gonna get into that even more, but some of us might still have a genetic component to

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Some of

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<v Rachael>the treatment our ancestors received centuries ago.

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<v Rachael>Absolutely.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>So, and we just thought it would be a really interesting thing to look at and look at what Jesus had to say about women and look at how Jesus treated women.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Because the beautiful thing is Jesus was actually.

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<v Rachael>He just treated women well, he did.

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<v Rachael>He

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>respected

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<v Rachael>He women elevated them

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>during

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<v Rachael>a time where we're gonna get into how we were viewed.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>So he came along and he really kind of flipped the script on how to view our gender.

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<v Rachael>Jesus was the first progressive.

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<v Rachael>Yeah, he was very progressive.

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<v Rachael>When you look at the culture he came into Oh, absolutely.

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<v Rachael>He flipped everything like 180 degrees.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>And one thing we'll talk about is like, why didn't it stay that way?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Why

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<v Rachael>did Christianity

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>it

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<v Rachael>reinforce the hierarchy?

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<v Rachael>The hierarchy When Jesus himself had Really breaking it down.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Broken it down.

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<v Rachael>Breaking it.

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<v Rachael>Break it down.

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<v Rachael>Break it down.

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<v Rachael>Break it.

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<v Rachael>Maybe break it down.

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<v Rachael>Jc

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Oh

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<v Rachael>God.

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<v Rachael>Remix.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Alright, where

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<v Rachael>are we?

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<v Rachael>We're in Rome.

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<v Rachael>Where, where are we?

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<v Rachael>Where are we?

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<v Rachael>So the early church was born into, and we know that this was in the Middle East, right?

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>So the early church though, was born into a deeply patriarchal, Greco-Roman and Jewish society.

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<v Rachael>So when we look at this, we're gonna get into specifics, but basically women were seen as inferior intellectually and spiritually.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and spiritually.

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>They were excluded from legal testimony and formal education.

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<v Rachael>Public leadership by women was often taboo, right?

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<v Rachael>Or scandalous.

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>And women could be bought and sold like property.

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<v Rachael>Equals not good for women, right?

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>They were legal dependents, so like basically they were under the authority of their father and then it was just transferred to their husband.

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<v Rachael>So literally property, right?

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>They had no legal identity.

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<v Rachael>They didn't have a voice.

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<v Rachael>Nothing.

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>Their marriage was arranged.

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<v Rachael>It could happen as early as 12 and 13 years old.

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>Which is so disturbing when we think about it.

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<v Rachael>But like, at the same time, if life expectancy was like 35 years, right.

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<v Rachael>I guess it's not that weird, but it's still kinda weird.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Divorce was legal and super easy for men.

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<v Rachael>So men under Jewish law,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>which

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<v Rachael>is highlighted under Deuteronomy 24, 1, men could peace out whenever they wanted.

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<v Rachael>And I'm like, what did you need to leave for?

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<v Rachael>You could have sex with prostitutes if you wanted.

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<v Rachael>Like what exactly were you leaving for?

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<v Rachael>My gosh.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>But anyway, they could just bounce.

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<v Rachael>and then inheritance rights were minimal.

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<v Rachael>So sons could inherit property, but daughters could not.

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<v Rachael>And they could only inherit if there were no male heirs, right?

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<v Rachael>So think about that.

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<v Rachael>So every possible

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>way

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<v Rachael>they were dismissed or silenced, or just really it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>it's, I

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<v Rachael>was gonna say they had no leg up, but I'm not gonna say that.

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<v Rachael>Maybe they had two legs up.

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<v Rachael>Oh my God.

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<v Rachael>It's the only way to survive.

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<v Rachael>It's the only way to survive.

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<v Rachael>I mean, those legs are up.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>wrong.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>So speaking of, this is a good way to segue, prostitution was common Yeah.

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<v Rachael>And tolerated, especially in Roman society.

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<v Rachael>It was just sort of a way of life and well, it wasn't formally legal under Jewish law.

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<v Rachael>It was a fact of life and women who were often poor, widowed, had no way of earning income or they were abandoned.

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<v Rachael>They were often like forced into this life.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>Which it's so sad to think about.

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<v Rachael>And then men were absolutely not held to the same

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>What.

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<v Rachael>you say.

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<v Rachael>I am laughing because for some reason

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>reason

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<v Rachael>in my mind I just heard Les Mis anyone, because remember same thing I the mom in Les Mis Yes.

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<v Rachael>Had to become a prostitute because she had no other, there was no other way.

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<v Rachael>Yeah, I know.

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<v Rachael>Well, there we are.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>Miserable.

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<v Rachael>For example, men were not held to the same sexual standards.

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<v Rachael>So in both Judaism or under both Jewish and Greco-Roman context, male infidelity, especially with prostitutes or their slaves.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Ugh.

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<v Rachael>It was often ignored, right.

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<v Rachael>While a female sexual transgression would mean death, IE stoning.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>And.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>And

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<v Rachael>Rape victims were often shamed or blamed.

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<v Rachael>So think about how many women were probably raped and then stoned to death because she, in quotes, committed adultery when it's not even her fault.

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<v Rachael>I mean, it's literally insane.

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<v Rachael>Yeah,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>literally

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<v Rachael>insane.

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<v Rachael>Okay, what else?

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<v Rachael>So men had strong control over their wives and daughters, right?

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>And then.

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<v Rachael>Jewish law discouraged outright cruelty.

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<v Rachael>If somebody is just seen as property, we all can make insinuations What that meant, physical punishment was culturally accepted,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>although

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<v Rachael>not necessarily endorsed by religious law.

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<v Rachael>But abuse still happened, right?

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<v Rachael>And there was really no like way to manage it.

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<v Rachael>And there was no way, like you couldn't go to, like, you could take out a restraining order and be like, my husband's beating me, right?

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<v Rachael>There was nothing legal.

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<v Rachael>I did not exist.

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<v Rachael>Yeah, you couldn't do anything legally to protect yourself, obviously.

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>And honor culture.

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<v Rachael>So this was really big.

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<v Rachael>So a women's behavior basically was reflected directly or, or like how a woman behave reflected directly on her male counterpart part, or her male relatives.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>If she was seen as dishonorable,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>she'd

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<v Rachael>be disowned, punished, or even killed, and that would be called an honor killing.

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<v Rachael>I mean, this is horrible.

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<v Rachael>Horrible, yes.

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<v Rachael>Horrible.

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<v Rachael>And like this is the way of life.

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<v Rachael>Right?

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<v Rachael>So

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>they

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<v Rachael>were rarely seen in public without men, and they weren't allowed to speak in synagogue.

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<v Rachael>Right?

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<v Rachael>We could go on and on and on.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>So it was a harsh reality.

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<v Rachael>It was a harsh reality.

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<v Rachael>So in, in summary, when we look at all this, they were often married off young, right?

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<v Rachael>Their value was tied to their virginity, their fertility.

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<v Rachael>Obviously we've heard all those stories in the Bible, right?

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<v Rachael>About like having a baby was their highest purpose and calling in life.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>They had few legal rights like we talked about.

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<v Rachael>Prostitution and exploitation were completely widespread and especially amongst people who had been divorced or widowed.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>There

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<v Rachael>was no, there,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>they

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<v Rachael>had no make money to make money, so they had to survive.

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<v Rachael>So they were forced into this horrible lifestyle.

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>And then just the physical dominance that was allowed to happen against women back then was horrible.

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<v Rachael>But Jesus.

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<v Rachael>He was a different type of man.

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<v Rachael>He was, he was a different type of man.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>So,

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<v Rachael>Jesus defied these norms.

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<v Rachael>So when we think about everything that we outlined, it wasn't just sort of to talk about the depths in which women suffered, but

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>in

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<v Rachael>every single layer in different fabric of society, women were pushed down.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>And.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Really

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<v Rachael>discouraged to be, even like they talking about equality isn't even like on the table.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>And Jesus had a very different approach to women.

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<v Rachael>It was radical.

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<v Rachael>It was radical for those times.

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<v Rachael>So if you just look through the Bible, Luke 10, right?

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<v Rachael>Jesus taught Mary of Bethany like a male disciple.

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<v Rachael>I.

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<v Rachael>There was no differentiation.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>He

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<v Rachael>revealed deep spiritual truths to the woman at the well.

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<v Rachael>Yes, we see that in John four.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>Like he took the time and divulged things and it's like things that were really only typically meant for male ears.

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<v Rachael>He crossed those boundaries.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>And it didn't matter.

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<v Rachael>He saw women as equal in spirituality.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>And

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<v Rachael>then after his resurrection.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>the

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>The first person to see Jesus and spread the news of the fact that he was risen was Mary Magdalene.

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<v Rachael>And a lot of people now.

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<v Rachael>And we're gonna, we're gonna

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>talk

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<v Rachael>about Mary Yes.

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<v Rachael>Next week.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>I'm excited for that.

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<v Rachael>There is some, some stuff around Mary,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>but,

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<v Rachael>but

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>um.

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<v Rachael>She's often now referred to as the apostle of the apostles, the leader

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>of

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<v Rachael>the apostles.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>And like rage said, like, we're gonna dive into basically the lost teachings of Mary because those were removed from the Bible.

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<v Rachael>They were not included.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>For

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<v Rachael>obvious reasons.

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<v Rachael>What we're actually like wanting to discuss today is why did the church.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>continue

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<v Rachael>to take such a hard stance against women and I'm talking about the Christian Church, right.

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<v Rachael>I'm not saying like Judaism.

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<v Rachael>Right, right.

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<v Rachael>'cause like it was so ingrained in their culture and then like Jesus wasn't seen as their Messiah or their God.

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<v Rachael>So I'm not insinuating that they should have followed his lead.

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>But Christians certainly yes.

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<v Rachael>Continue to uphold the male patriarchy.

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<v Rachael>And we're even seeing it still today.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>So, so like.

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<v Rachael>Why and how did that happen?

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<v Rachael>These are some of the things that we're gonna talk about.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>So as Christianity grew,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>it

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<v Rachael>became less about radical discipleship and way more about structure.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>And by the second and third centuries, the church was aligning with the Roman system of order and hierarchy.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>Not really the genesis of how, not intended,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>but

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<v Rachael>like the origins of Jesus' teachings.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>And how he modeled respect and em empowerment of women.

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<v Rachael>Women's authority was seen as threatening to male power and cohesion.

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<v Rachael>Like that's the why.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Right?

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<v Rachael>Like it's a threat to male power.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>So how did this get.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Like

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<v Rachael>Like so ingrained in the church when Jesus didn't show that.

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<v Rachael>And we see over history a few different ways.

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<v Rachael>So in the second century, Tuan, is that how we would say that?

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<v Rachael>That's how I would say that.

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<v Rachael>I don't know if that's accurate, but that's how we will say it.

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<v Rachael>We don't know if it's true, but Rachel said it.

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<v Rachael>It is.

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<v Rachael>So we're going with that.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Churchian

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<v Rachael>second century.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>So

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<v Rachael>he called women the devil's Gateway.

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<v Rachael>Oh, love it.

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<v Rachael>Right?

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<v Rachael>Think about that.

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<v Rachael>That theology right?

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<v Rachael>Of male superiority.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>It

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<v Rachael>Is coming down to women.

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<v Rachael>If you want to stay pure, stay close to God, women are the problem.

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<v Rachael>And think of what that's saying.

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<v Rachael>Women cannot be trusted.

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<v Rachael>Women will lead you astray.

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<v Rachael>Women have ulterior motives.

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<v Rachael>I mean, there's so much loaded that

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>that devils

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<v Rachael>gateway.

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<v Rachael>One simple thing,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>thing.

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<v Rachael>we are evil, we are temptresses, we cannot be trusted.

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<v Rachael>Yes,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>And

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<v Rachael>yet.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Yeah,

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<v Rachael>The men are the ones that were leaving their wives.

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<v Rachael>And yes, sleeping with prostitutes.

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<v Rachael>But I digress.

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<v Rachael>So Augustine, fourth century, he blamed Eve for the fall of humanity and saw women as spiritually weaker.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>So

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<v Rachael>like, I have a funny story about this and.

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<v Rachael>Oh my gosh.

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<v Rachael>So we were out to dinner with friends and I like may have had a couple margaritas.

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<v Rachael>May definitely did.

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<v Rachael>May definitely did.

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<v Rachael>And Nikki, Beth, your respective husbands, if you're listening, you'll know where this is going.

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<v Rachael>Charlie went to the bathroom and he said by the time he came back I was just.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>just.

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<v Rachael>Going, going and he's like, I don't even know how this happened.

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<v Rachael>I was ranting about, I was like, oh, course

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>course

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<v Rachael>it was Eve.

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<v Rachael>Who ate the apple?

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<v Rachael>Like, isn't that convenient?

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<v Rachael>You have the female that fell into the trap and ruined it for everybody.

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<v Rachael>And I, I like had that thought before I even realized that Augustine had that narrative.

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<v Rachael>Right?

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>So like.

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<v Rachael>Think about that.

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<v Rachael>This is an epiphany of like a very empowered feminist who has been like researching spirituality, the Bible, all of these things.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and

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<v Rachael>then to read that a,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>well

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<v Rachael>established member of the church is teaching this.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>It was crazy to me.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>So anyway, I, my, my rant was well informed, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

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<v Rachael>I think it's interesting too.

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<v Rachael>So this also goes back to, do you take a literal translation on the Bible or do you look at it contextually?

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<v Rachael>I happen to be one that I personally, I am not a theologian by any means, but.

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<v Rachael>I have to guess that the creation story is more of a fable that's controversial.

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<v Rachael>I know, but I believe that it's more of a story that's meant to illuminate the fact that our world was created by a divine being.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>That God is, is all knowing and in control that there is a divine plan.

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<v Rachael>That he created everything of the natural world.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>That's what I think that's meant to teach us.

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<v Rachael>Not literally the world was made in seven days.

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<v Rachael>That's just my personal opinion.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>And

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<v Rachael>so you think if this moral or fable was passed down generation to generation, and now going back to what we just reviewed about the Jewish culture?

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>Of course Eve

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>is

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<v Rachael>going to be the one who wrecked it all because they viewed women

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>in

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<v Rachael>that way.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Uh,

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Like of course that's a perfect scapegoat

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and another

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<v Rachael>way to reinforce the rhetoric.

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<v Rachael>Right, right.

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<v Rachael>Of like, oh, well it says it right here.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>So

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<v Rachael>one of the things that Rachel and I really loved about the teaching of Mary Magdalene, which we'll go into the next episode mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>Was about her take on sin and her viewpoint on sin of being really more so not against breaking rules and laws and right and wrong, but more of a separation from God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>And

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<v Rachael>if you think about the original.

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<v Rachael>Sin.

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<v Rachael>And if you think about what you're saying around your perspective as like, is it a fable?

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<v Rachael>Is it a story to make a point?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Think

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<v Rachael>about what happened?

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<v Rachael>Then they ate the apple and then they became separated from God.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>They had more awareness of their human being

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Then

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<v Rachael>their divinity.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Their spirituality, their connection to God.

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<v Rachael>They were aware of their separateness, they're aware of their separateness, and that became the focal point.

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<v Rachael>And at that moment.

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<v Rachael>Is when they forgot who they really were.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>So I almost feel like, and I have goosebumps because I just had this realization

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>that

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<v Rachael>makes more sense to me now that that's what sin means.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Than like, I never thought about that, Jason.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>That's really cool.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>and they call it the original sin.

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<v Rachael>It's the original sin.

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<v Rachael>It's the original separation.

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<v Rachael>Separation for God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Oh.

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<v Rachael>Did we just have an epiphany?

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<v Rachael>We had an epiphany.

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<v Rachael>You guys just witnessed like a real life epiphany.

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<v Rachael>I love it.

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<v Rachael>Whoa.

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<v Rachael>Okay, so we'll, we'll timestamp that.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Put that on a reel.

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<v Rachael>Put that on a Reel.

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<v Rachael>Oh, here's a good one.

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<v Rachael>Thomas Aquinas.

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<v Rachael>I hope I, I hope I accept saying his, they rock Aquinas with us.

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<v Rachael>Small penis.

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<v Rachael>Exactly what I'm saying.

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<v Rachael>What happened to him on the playground?

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<v Rachael>I bet he was, tormented.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Maybe this is why he was so mean about women.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>So

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<v Rachael>that

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>this is the

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<v Rachael>13th century he wrote that women were defective and misbegotten

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>compared

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<v Rachael>to men.

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<v Rachael>What does Miss Begotten mean?

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<v Rachael>Let's look that one up.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Let's get, let's dive real deep into this insult.

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<v Rachael>I really wanna know.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>Miss Begotten badly conceived, designed, or planned.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Okay.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>Tommy.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Tommy.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>A little

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<v Rachael>weenie.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>So basically we're seeing this misogyny reinforce in the church, despite what is documented in the Bible.

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<v Rachael>There's really no excuse this isn't like theoretical, right?

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<v Rachael>That Jesus said this like it is documented that he had a very different take with women.

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<v Rachael>So these views were not based on Jesus' teaching.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>right?

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<v Rachael>Not at all.

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<v Rachael>But it's a blend of Greek philosophy, Roman law, and a misinterpretation of Genesis.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>And culture.

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<v Rachael>And culture.

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<v Rachael>Right?

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>Like how much has culture come into like the lens in which we see things?

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>So,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>um.

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<v Rachael>Along that line, there were definitely scriptures that were either misinterpreted, I almost feel like they were weaponized.

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<v Rachael>It was like an opinion of one.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>And Paul and Peter didn't have the best track record with women, and didn't you say that one of them was jealous of Mary Peter?

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Peter was like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Uh,

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<v Rachael>well maybe it was Paul, it was one of the two Ps I think it was Peter.

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<v Rachael>Peter was like, Why can Mary have these direct conversations with Jesus?

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<v Rachael>And another apostle or another male leader was like, who are you to question if Jesus thinks she's good enough?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>she's good

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<v Rachael>good enough.

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<v Rachael>Snip it.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>So talk us through these scriptures, because these are ones that I feel like personally have opened the door to me being like, maybe the Bible like we have to look through it through a contextual lens.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>You can't take it so literally.

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<v Rachael>Yes, you have to.

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<v Rachael>You have to,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>in

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<v Rachael>my opinion,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>have

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<v Rachael>you have to, or you're missing half of that should be its own episode

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Is

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<v Rachael>Oh yeah.

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<v Rachael>Literal versus contextual.

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<v Rachael>Interpretation of the Bible.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>But anyway okay, so the first one we're looking at is one Timothy two 12, which says, I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>That's

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>pretty

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<v Rachael>straightforward.

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<v Rachael>Rude.

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<v Rachael>But this was, a, a letter that Paul wrote and you had talked about, that there is Some.

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<v Rachael>controversy over whether he actually even wrote that.

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<v Rachael>Oh, yeah.

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<v Rachael>This was added like later.

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<v Rachael>And then there's also one from first Corinthians 1434, which says Women should remain silent in churches.

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<v Rachael>I think that these are ones that we typically see even some modern day churches

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>do

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<v Rachael>not allow women to be pastors or preachers, or you can't be a priest right.

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<v Rachael>In the Catholic church.

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<v Rachael>No, you can't.

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<v Rachael>Only men are allowed to do that.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>So we're still seeing the effects of this in the Christian Church today, which is wild today.

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<v Rachael>Today.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>No, you were, you're absolutely right.

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<v Rachael>I did like, I think for a second around the, the first Timothy scholars like, don't even think.

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<v Rachael>That to your point that Paul wrote, Timothy, they think it was actually added to reinforce the hierarchy that the church wanted to reinforce after the fact.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>So

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<v Rachael>like, that's scary you guys.

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<v Rachael>I always say follow the power, follow the money.

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<v Rachael>That's usually where people go astray.

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<v Rachael>Right?

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<v Rachael>And this is just another example of we're gonna write this in so that.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>I

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<v Rachael>I mean, I don't know that for sure, but you know what I mean.

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<v Rachael>Well, I know, but you would be a way yeah, you have to, you have to ask questions.

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>We're gonna ask the hard questions.

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<v Rachael>Other verses written by Paul contradict that statement actually in Galatians 3 There is neither Jew nor nor Gentile, slave, nor free male, nor female

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>for

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<v Rachael>you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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<v Rachael>It's so contradictory compare that, compare that to me.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>I

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<v Rachael>do not permit a woman to teach or assume authority over a man

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>that

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<v Rachael>is like night and day for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

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<v Rachael>So, uh, it, does it make sense?

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<v Rachael>No one plus one does not equal two here.

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<v Rachael>So, no, I love this.

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<v Rachael>Like, this is why we ask these questions.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Okay.

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<v Rachael>As the church grew.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>centralized

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<v Rachael>power became a major focus, right?

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<v Rachael>So the hierarchy remained clear and male dominated.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>The

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<v Rachael>church could better control doctrine, worship in roles if everything was just like, yeah, centralized, right?

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<v Rachael>The other thing is they could control the messaging

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and

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<v Rachael>female expression of spirituality was very different from male.

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<v Rachael>This is interesting, right?

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<v Rachael>This is interesting.

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<v Rachael>Think about this.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>intuition.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Think

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<v Rachael>about mysticism.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>Think

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<v Rachael>about the experiential version of Christianity that females really embody,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Right,

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<v Rachael>Like, and it's not that men can't do that,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>but

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<v Rachael>it was dangerous.

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<v Rachael>It threatened the male.

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<v Rachael>Domination by looking at other perspectives and theories of Jesus's teachings.

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<v Rachael>I just had a connection too.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Remember when we were talking about telepathy?

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>And how people are scared of it and it threatens people in power.

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<v Rachael>Absolutely.

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<v Rachael>Isn't this the same idea?

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<v Rachael>It's the exact

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>the exact

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<v Rachael>same idea.

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<v Rachael>Guess what?

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<v Rachael>If you go to your own intuition Yep.

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<v Rachael>And mysticism and your own experience with God.

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>Instead of looking to the church,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Oh

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<v Rachael>man, now we're in trouble.

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<v Rachael>Because we can't control you anymore.

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<v Rachael>Absolutely.

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<v Rachael>And we don't get to dictate what you believe, how you believe, how you should act.

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<v Rachael>A hundred percent.

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<v Rachael>You're going straight to the source.

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<v Rachael>And I would argue too, like this is an element that like men are not As in tune with you never.

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<v Rachael>I mean, you hear the term all the time.

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<v Rachael>Motherly intuition.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>I

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<v Rachael>would argue that females have this natural sixth sense, and I'm not saying men don't.

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<v Rachael>They're

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>credible

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<v Rachael>spiritual workers and clearly people that are connected to divine energy

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>that

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<v Rachael>are men, but like the female divine feminine approach and.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Processing

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<v Rachael>of Christianity is going to be different than the the male experience.

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<v Rachael>It's very different.

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<v Rachael>It's not rules, it's not regulation, it's not laws and tax and money and this, it's feelings, it's emotions.

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<v Rachael>I don't know.

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<v Rachael>Do you get, you know what I'm saying?

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>It's like,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>it's

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<v Rachael>again, like the male energy versus female energy.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>Which by the way, we all have, and we all have elements of both, right?

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<v Rachael>Yes, yes.

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<v Rachael>Absolutely.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>But when it's all led through this male dominated energy, we're really not exposed to something that's really special and unique.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>That's kind of the bridge too, right?

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<v Rachael>Oh my God.

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<v Rachael>Well, that's, I was exploring the feminine aspects of spirituality.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>I

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<v Rachael>I mean, that's really what we're doing.

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>So where, where did this lead us?

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<v Rachael>So over centuries,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>this

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<v Rachael>led us to suppression of texts like the Gospel of Mary.

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<v Spirit Outspoken (Detached audio)>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>The condemnation of female mystics or preachers.

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<v Rachael>That was one thing I thought of.

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<v Rachael>This just continued.

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<v Rachael>Think about the witch trials, any woman who expressed her faith or her spirituality in a way that was, other than what the church dictated as appropriate,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Was

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<v Rachael>either killed or shunned.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>or burned

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<v Rachael>alive.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>It just continued, oh my God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>The

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<v Rachael>rise of the idea that women can only serve as helpers, not leaders.

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<v Rachael>Hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Not

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<v Rachael>helping anymore.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>No, no, we're done.

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<v Rachael>We're tired.

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<v Rachael>So.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>you

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<v Rachael>know, in short, Jesus welcomed women, taught women, elevated women,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>were

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<v Rachael>the early church, shortly after Jesus' death completely silenced them.

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<v Rachael>So not because like it was right spiritually, it was because it was

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>was

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<v Rachael>strategic socially, or strategic in the church.

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<v Rachael>And I don't know, like if women were good enough for Jesus.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>They

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<v Rachael>should have been good enough for every other leader in the church

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and the

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<v Rachael>the fact that we're still experiencing this now,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and

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<v Rachael>even with this like dogma of, oh, that's woo woo,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>woo,

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<v Rachael>or that's new age.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>A lot of these things for me personally as a female, connect deeply with me.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Like incorporating elements of nature, incorporating elements of astrology,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>things

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<v Rachael>that I just feel naturally, like my intuition just calls to me.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>These

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<v Rachael>things like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>If

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<v Rachael>I spoke about these things, I and I was in Salem, yeah.

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<v Rachael>I would've been a Donner.

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<v Rachael>Oh yeah.

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<v Rachael>And think about that.

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>I would be denying what I felt

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>was

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<v Rachael>the,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>you

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<v Rachael>know, the tools and the elements in which brought me closest to God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Crazy, right?

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Yeah, and it still is very much prevalent today.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>The

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<v Rachael>fear around all of this is still very much prevalent,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and I

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<v Rachael>I think that that would be really something interesting to explore as we keep going, is where does that fear come from?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>You

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<v Rachael>know this idea that anything that's not approved

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>by

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<v Rachael>the church is somehow evil,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>But

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<v Rachael>when we start to go back to the roots of Christianity.

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<v Rachael>So much of what Christ did was progressive and against the norm and shocked everybody.

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<v Rachael>I know.

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<v Rachael>I know.

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<v Rachael>So I know I love this like when you start looking into the history and stuff like it, it's really hard to not challenge.

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<v Rachael>I.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>It, it's

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<v Rachael>really hard to ignore.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Your own desires for

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>spirituality

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<v Rachael>and how you wanna feel free to have a relationship with Christ.

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<v Rachael>How you wanna have a

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>relationship

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<v Rachael>with God.

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<v Rachael>And I don't know, I feel like this is empowering'cause I feel like Jesus would've been like, you go girl.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Keep going.

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<v Rachael>Right.

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<v Rachael>Like, I love it.

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<v Rachael>You're showing more unconditional love in your life.

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<v Rachael>Keep going.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>You're, you're helping

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>heal

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<v Rachael>yourself and the generations that follow do it.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>Right?

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<v Rachael>Like, think about that.

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<v Rachael>I always just say throughout this whole process is listening to my voice, because there have been so many times where the thing that I've been told or certain denominations would say are evil or against God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>have

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<v Rachael>felt nothing but loving and peaceful.

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael>And beautiful to me, instinctively to my spirit

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and.

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<v Rachael>the things that Christians are saying

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>of,

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<v Rachael>you're gonna burn in hell, that's evil.

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<v Rachael>We don't like this person because they are, yeah.

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<v Rachael>And

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>this

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<v Rachael>again, this is just certain denominations of Christianity.

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<v Rachael>Absolutely.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>It

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<v Rachael>it feels so

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>fear-based

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<v Rachael>and.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Arrogant

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<v Rachael>And evil.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>It's coming from the place of control.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Not from a place of love and connection.

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<v Rachael>It's

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>at

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<v Rachael>all.

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<v Rachael>It's legalism, not love,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>And

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<v Rachael>Christ was all about love.

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<v Rachael>And how many times did he demonstrate that he did work on the Sabbath and people came up to him and like, what are you doing?

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<v Rachael>It's Sunday.

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<v Rachael>This is evil.

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<v Rachael>This guy's evil.

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<v Rachael>And he's like, no.

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<v Rachael>Like it's, it's bigger than that.

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<v Rachael>Absolutely.

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<v Rachael>We don't care about these stupid petty laws.

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<v Rachael>Yeah.

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<v Rachael>That you guys are saying every like, it, it's bigger than that.

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<v Rachael>We cross cultures, we care for people.

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<v Rachael>We love people who are,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>I

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<v Rachael>I mean, think about it, he.

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<v Rachael>Prostitutes, tax collectors, lepers, he interacted and loved.

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<v Rachael>Well, all of the people

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>that

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<v Rachael>others wouldn't even touch.

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<v Rachael>I know because it made them unclean or it was shunned by society.

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<v Rachael>He flipped it all.

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<v Rachael>I know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>I

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<v Rachael>know.

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<v Rachael>And like we forget that.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>We forget that

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>too

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<v Rachael>often

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>we

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<v Rachael>we are quoting.

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<v Rachael>Things out of context or whether it's Old Testament things.

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<v Rachael>I, for my faith, I always go by

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>what

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<v Rachael>did Jesus say or do?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>What

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<v Rachael>did he demonstrate?

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<v Rachael>Not what did Jewish culture say in their books?

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<v Rachael>And those are important, right?

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<v Rachael>It it's such a They are,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>a

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<v Rachael>it was a different

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>time

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<v Rachael>and place.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Like, we're also not throwing cha, I mean, obviously like.

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<v Rachael>It's very disparaging to hear like how women were treated, but like it, it was a different time and place, well, and I think the Old Testament, right?

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<v Rachael>It provides so much context for us.

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<v Rachael>It provides not only

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>the

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<v Rachael>prophecy, right?

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<v Rachael>Like these prophetic visions that people had.

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<v Rachael>So then when Christ came, we were able to prove like, oh my gosh, he's fulfilling these.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>But

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<v Rachael>it also set the stage for us to understand the culture and the time that Jesus was born into.

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<v Rachael>Yes.

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<v Rachael>Here's the history of these people.

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<v Rachael>Yep.

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<v Rachael>Here's what the culture's like.

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<v Rachael>Now this guy comes in

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>And

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<v Rachael>flips everything on its head with his radical, crazy ways.

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<v Rachael>Now what?

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<v Rachael>Now what?

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<v Rachael>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>And

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<v Rachael>so when people go back and quote that stuff all the time versus looking at how he lived his life, I think you're looking at the wrong spot.

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<v Rachael>Oh my gosh.

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<v Rachael>That was a drop the mic Rachel moment.

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<v Rachael>I don't know.

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<v Rachael>No, it was, that was good.

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<v Rachael>That was beautiful.

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<v Rachael>Okay.

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<v Rachael>So if Jesus empowered women

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and the

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<v Rachael>the church leaders silenced them, what voices were lost?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>What

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<v Rachael>wisdom have we been denied for generations?

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<v Rachael>In our next episode, we'll focus on one of the most misunderstood, misrepresented, and mysteriously erased voices in all of Christian history.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Mary

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<v Rachael>Magdalene,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>not a

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<v Rachael>a prostitute, not just a follower,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>but a

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<v Rachael>a teacher, a visionary, and a spiritual leader whose gospel was buried

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>and is

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<v Rachael>is now rising again.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>I

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<v Rachael>can't wait for this one.

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<v Rachael>Can't wait for this one.

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<v Rachael>Buckle up.

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<v Rachael>Mary's riding shotgun.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>All

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<v Rachael>All right guys, take that.

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<v Rachael>Thomas Aquinas with a tiny penis up with your tiny penis.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Ah,

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<v Rachael>Ah, this was fun.

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<v Rachael>All right guys.

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<v Rachael>Uh, stay tuned to next week.

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<v Rachael>It'll be a good one.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1 (Detached audio)>Bye.