Men's World Championship Drama as Powerhouse Teams Fall Short of Playoffs
In this episode of Volley Talk, we go over the wild ride that has been the men's world championship so far. Our predictions from last episode could not have been more wrong, so it's time to go back to the drawing board and try again.
Conference play starts up this week in the NCAA, and a world champion will be named.
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2025-09-23
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something that was not so straightforward were the men world championships okay should i start my apologies now or later gosh everything that we were saying last week just forget about it throw it in the garbage throw it away because there were some Absolutely wild upsets. If anybody says they predicted Japan, Brazil, and France to not make it out of pool play, you're just lying. It's not true because nobody saw that coming. We saw them advance. We had Brazil going all the way to the final, didn't we? Yes. Crazy. Anyway, our bracket is more than just busted. It is like disintegrated. It's a pile of ashes there on the side. But we're going to dive into what happened at Men's World Championships this week and, you know, what the lay of the land looks like for the rest of that tournament. Let's get started. Our rundown for the week. There was not a lot of movement in the top 10 of the NCAA. But we will go over the biggest movers from the top 25 again. I would say the biggest positive was TCU improved upon their program record ranking from last week. And they jumped up even higher. from 15 to 9. I know they got hammered by Texas this week, but they continue to impress me. They're beating the teams they quote -unquote should beat, and they're playing well, so I think that's well earned. I like them. I think they're going to continue to get better. They were on my positive surprise list last week, and I don't think getting smashed by Texas is not going to affect their ranking too much because they were 9, so I think they'll stay close to that. rankings at this point when this episode is released. Texas A &M dropped to number 14 from 8. They lost a couple games they probably shouldn't have. I think they will end up climbing back into the top 10 eventually. I think they'll iron some things out, but they did have a couple losses, so that's a fair drop. Tennessee entered the top 25 after being unranked, and Pitt keeps climbing back. We remember their preseason ranking was number Three, they plummeted a little bit after week one. Tough start for them. But they're back up to number five. So they are clawing their way back into the conversation. They beat Penn State handily this week. I know it was in four, but they were in control of that match. They've kind of ironed it out since they started a little slow at the beginning of the season. I mean, ABCA first serve is a risk. Yeah. The preseason is always like a balancing act. You want to play tough teams so your RPI is good, but then you also want to make sure you're beating those top teams so your ranking doesn't drop. It's like finessing the schedule in a way that like keeps you in that top. group conversation but you also need to make sure that you're going to win so otherwise you drop it's really hard I don't know how they come up with their schedules it's challenging well and Pitt lost a few players they're trying to figure out more than a few well yeah they're trying to figure out what their offense is going to look like what do they have who can they rely on they obviously they have Babcock still but it's not shocking that it took them a couple weeks to kind of find a rhythm Well, and I'm pretty sure they come up with their preseason schedule before the season even starts. So they... You mean before Tori Stafford? Yeah, exactly. They had no clue what was about to go down. So anyway, good for them. And finally, the voters finally had enough of UCLA. They are gone. Gone from the top 25. They let them hang around as long as they possibly could. And then finally, they're like, okay, enough's enough. You're gone. I'm going to say never to return this season. Oh, dear. You heard it here first, folks. We'll see what happens. Some match notes, let's call it, from the solid matches we saw this week. Number one, Kentucky played Louisville, two top six teams. That match went five. I'm not surprised. You got the in -state rivalry. Yeah. It was hosted by Louisville this year. Kentucky, I don't think they won it for since, was it 2019? It had been, I want to say, four or five years since they'd beaten them. Yeah. I think they were 0 -4. against them I don't they might not play every year but I think it is a yearly thing which I think is cool I do too I like those rivalries it's something to look forward to it's always on the schedule easy to get up for well now that like Creighton is better it's like a similar thing that can happen in Nebraska with like two solid programs anyway very interesting match hit me with your initial thoughts because this one in fairness we watched a ton of men's volleyball this week but we did watch this match I feel like I always start with a negative, and so I was trying real hard to think of a positive, but the negative jumped out first. Well, and in fairness to people who think Sarah's always negative, whenever she talks about her own matches, having coached her, she always starts with the negatives for herself to, and quite frankly, never says anything positive about how she plays. So this is not unique to the podcast. This is just how her brain works. This is how we have to be better to be the best. Just throwing it out there. He's not wrong. Bottom line is I don't discriminate. Okay. I'm harder on myself than anybody. Okay, let's try to start with the positive here. Cara Cressy started the match... On fire. Very well. Set one, she was unbelievable. Yes. And... Yeah. It went downhill from there. But this is... So I think we saw the fatal flaw in Louisville that we talked about last week. Yes. Cara Cressy... is on. I think she scored seven points in that first set. Don't quote me on that, but it was seven or eight points, I believe. Well, they want her to be the focal point of their offense, which is great. You know we love a middle. A hundred percent. We love a middle. A hundred percent, and I watched them play that first set. They passed well. They ran Kara. The outsides were open and scoring, and I thought, man, Louisville looks really good. Cressy's playing well. They are grooving. That was the best set they played. Yeah. And then the passing kind of got pulled off the net. And when Cressy's not an option, things kind of fall apart a little bit. Well, and it was interesting. There were multiple occasions in this game where both teams gave up runs of four or five points. I saw that both teams had certain rotations where they really, really struggled. And the opposing teams took advantage of that. both from a serving and a defensive standpoint. And so you had these big swings in this game where Cressy was in the front row, they would push forward. Then she would go to the back row and they couldn't score. And Kentucky would come out and run a few serves and the block would look really good. And it wasn't clean side out volleyball. There were definitely defensive runs and taking advantage of certain rotations. Well, both teams have rotations that they're very susceptible in. I will say I am liking Brooke Baltimore. The middle for Kentucky. She's got some juice behind her. They got that connection flowing outstanding. And that was something we talked about for Kentucky, needing more options out of the middle of the court, whether that be the pipe or the middle, given that their outsides were hitting 100 -plus balls a match. The libero, Molly Tuzzo, girl needs to learn how to set. Here's my thing. I'm going to just tell you I'm bothered by the... fact that this girl insists on jump setting every ball when she's spraying them all over the place let's keep both feet on the ground until we can dial in a perfect set at least eight times out of ten then if you're feeling good think about jump setting but girl you're jump setting all over the place and these balls are literally unhittable she is what I call a flashy libero. She likes to make the big plays. I watched her let some balls drop. She overpassed a free ball. She got aced a few times. For me in that match, I noticed her in the wrong ways. You don't want to notice the libero, okay? If you're noticing the libero, it's usually because they're not playing well. I didn't think she had a great game. And again, don't get me wrong. We played five sets. She made some really good plays. But there were some detail things, like you said, some of the setting, some of the passing, that was not there. She does have a really good serve, though. I will give her that. Do you think Kentucky's left side combo is the best in the country? Because I heard that so many times on the broadcast. I do. Okay. Adam approves. DeLay and Hudson can score at any time from both the back row and the front row. Now, I will say Eva Hudson started really slow. Kentucky... She picked it up though and it mattered. Well, they changed the setter. I don't know if you noticed that. Originally, I felt Hudson was getting jammed up in the front row. The balls were inside. She couldn't hit the line. And then they switched the setter and they switched the right side. Daly came in and did a great job. I don't think Thigpen played particularly well on the right side. No, I thought she actually turned the match around for them. She gave them another option, and I thought the setter switch was on point because the setter got Hudson going, and she was really good down the stretch. I feel like Hudson likes that setter. I do too. And then O 'Brien connects better with other players maybe. So I'm curious to see. For me, there's a legitimate question on the right side and setting position after watching that match in terms of who's going to take that spot. I think people are going to be so pissed that you said that. From the setter perspective, I think people are very high on Cassie O 'Brien. I said I really liked her. She's a freshman. She came in. She was one of the players I wanted to watch. But watching that match, there was some inconsistency. And the other setter came in and connected with Hudson, who was struggling. And we made the right side shift. So I'm not saying O 'Brien. And she got injured. She was massaging her leg. Oh, the cramp. She got a cramp. Now, cramps are always interesting to me. If things aren't going well, you get a cramp. Somebody else comes in. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it was a little coincidental. But that is something to watch with them. Going back to Louisville, I feel like they are very one -dimensional. Well, they're one -dimensional when Cressy can't get the ball. Well, that's what I'm saying. They're great when she can. Your whole team revolves around Cressy, which, again, love a middle, but it's also high risk. Yeah, again, they're outside. Why not serve her short every time? block jam up her approach angle serve her short block up her approach angle and then like your block defense is so much more straightforward and I was surprised Kentucky didn't do that they did it once and Cressy got taken to the ground on a short serve and then things just fell apart and I was like now their passing did fall apart with the aggressive serving in general so it was effectively the same but I think that's a strategy against them moving forward and they're gonna have to figure out how to deal with it and I'll say it again I'm not a fan of the left side combo for Louisville. Okay, but I think you need to put a caveat on that, right? Chacoin and Peterson are good players, but there were a ton of digs in that match. Chacoin doesn't have a Hudson to take the load. No, 100%. Peterson doesn't have a DeBeer or a Charity Looper to take the load. I think they are both secondary type left side players. I totally agree. They need a banger. Who do you like better, Chacoin or Peterson? I thought Peterson played better in that match than Chacoin did. I haven't been impressed with Chacoin this season. I also said it last week. I don't think Peterson's the answer. Peterson's not the answer if they want to win a natty with somebody who can score. But she was not bad. When Cressy's firing and she doesn't have a solid two -person block, she can put the ball away. She scored a bunch of points. Anybody can score with a one -man block. I'm not saying one man. Anyway. What I saw coming down the stretch was after those long rallies or during those long rallies, DeLay and Hudson were able to put the ball away more effectively than Peterson and Chacoin. You know, that was a huge difference because they stopped being able to get Cressy the ball. I will say, last thing, I am really liking Cabello, the setter for Louisville. Yes. She was in that 6 -2 formation for the majority of last season as a freshman. kind of won that spot in tight moments during postseason play last year. I am really liking her. She's aggressive. I like how she's able to set with pace to the outside for these left sides that aren't necessarily huge bangers. I'm really liking her. We also had Wisconsin -Florida that we watched. Maybe Collier went off. Yeah. Hit negative in set one and then completely dominated after that. Ended with like 27 kills, I want to say, in four sets. That's pretty impressive. Florida couldn't stop her. No, Florida couldn't stop her. They didn't look like they had a great game plan around that. And they also, they made bad mistakes. There were balls they let drop. There were setting issues. numerous set points in set four it went like 37 35 or 35 33 or something wild stucky on they get a transition opportunity for the set and stucky sets a back row ball to this girl who came in two points before instead of setting like jordan bird or something i was like what are you doing or said august why are you setting this girl who just came in when you have two people who can score i don't know that was the case of trying to be Trying to make the sneaky set. Sneaky. No. It doesn't work. At that point, you've got to set your bangers. When you're at the end of the match, you're not trying to be sneaky, okay? We're not trying to fool anybody. We need to get the ball to the people who get the job done, and that is why they get the job done, because they score when everybody knows they're getting the ball, period. Collier was banging angle, and their defense was sucked into the court. I thought they should have been able to dig a few more balls. They looked disjointed to me watching that match. smooth on the Florida side and I thought Florida I know the sets were close but I thought they would look better I thought this would be a better game well they just dropped a match to Marquette this weekend as well yeah Florida was my dark horse team and they've got some work to do they're not all on the same page Wisconsin however their team identity has had to completely shift they are not the tallest team anymore Their blocking is, what, 96th in the country when it's been one or two for the last four seasons. So they have a complete identity shift going on. I'm very curious to see how they do in Big Ten play. I thought Furbringer played well. I think she's more comfortable running this offense. She had some blocks. She serves well. Carter Booth. She was running Carter Booth well. Yeah. And Mimi Collier likes a little bit of a faster set. So I think that that works in her favor. Grace Egan, I think, is doing a decent job on the right. Yeah. The Serbian girl. They're finding their way. Do I think they're going to be a top five team? I don't think so. I think their ceiling is a little lower than some of the other top teams. But if they can get... two or three players playing at a really high level in a particular match i think they can beat anyone but i think that it's going to take consistently high play from two or three athletes for them to beat really good teams they don't have an it player like some of the other teams collier i think you could argue is she was unstoppable yes i'm sorry when you get to like overtime It just takes one mistake for the set to be out of your hands. She was automatic. 100%. She was fantastic in this match. I need to see her do that. She's already gone National Player of the Week this year. You guys, can we talk about this role reversal going on right now? Since when am I the one defending a player? It's too early for me to put her with the likes of Babcock or Stafford or Martin. These players who can carry the load, match in and match out. Let's talk about this at the beginning of November. I'm not saying she can't do it, I'm just, I need to see more. Okay, last match we're going to touch on. Nebraska Creighton went five, but they did set an NCAA record. But for like not postseason, there was like over 17 ,000 people at this match. Nebraska, like I said, squeaked it out in five. We did not watch this one, but I have received a bunch of questions about Nebraska's system. So I want to address one of those now. One of the questions that we've received is, can you give your analysis of the libero situation at Nebraska to a non -expert? It seems like Choboy can't be a libero because she doesn't have the serve receive skills. Mouch is a great passer, but lately her defense has seemed poor. What would you do if you were a coach at Nebraska? And then a follow -up question to that from someone else was, is it weird that Nebraska is playing so many rotations with both Mouch and Choboy on the court? To answer question number two, I would say this seems to be Nebraska's MO. We saw them have two to three littles on the court at the same time for the last several seasons. The reason this person was asking is they're like, oh, you only have three attack options at any time when Bergen Riley's in the front row. I feel like Nebraska's fine with that because they've been running Jackson on the slide. murray on the pipe and then the left side as well they only need one back row option and they can move that around and with jackson running the slide the rare that you'll see them run a back row ball on the right side over that anyway so that's not weird to me because that's like nebraska's system like ball control you to death yeah the other part however i agree with this statement i would take the passing libero no i completely like lamey cho boy has been a defensive sub Her whole career at Nebraska. She comes in to serve and play defense. Mouch was the top receiver in the NCAA last season statistically. So yes, your statement, 100 % correct. I would run a two libero system personally, but that goes against Nebraska's system. They don't play hardly anybody. I want to say they play two players, six rotations, Harper, Murray, and Bergen -Riley. And that has been their thing for years. I love a six rotation right side. Maybe because I was one, I'm a little bit biased. Having a six rotation right side would alleviate some of that. You could run a two libero system, put your passing libero in for serve receive and vice versa. But that's just not the system they run. They don't develop, they don't have the six rotation players developed or they don't use them. So this is what they're stuck with. But you can't tell me you don't have another defensive player who you could put in, even if you're running a two libero system. No, they do. They just never play her. I think it's Macy Basinger or something. I would give Mouch a few more matches to settle in defensively to see where she gets to. In my opinion, the passing is the first. I would say. You want to be able to run Jackson. You want your setter to be in system all of the time. That just makes it harder on your opponents. The more first ball kills you can get, the less defense you have to play anyway. Passing is the priority for me. And then you kind of hope she settles in and figures out the defensive side. And I think Dani's teams are generally really good defensively. So I would trust Dani to work with her to kind of up that level. And then you have Chillboy coming in and playing defense. If you get halfway through the season and for whatever reason Mouch just can't figure it out defensively, I would go to the two libero system and then sub in the next defensive player in that regard. Well, I think it's worth having Mouch as a libero period because she's only a sophomore. Yeah. Like if she figures it out, you've got her for two seasons past this, which is not the case with Choboy. So that's what I would do. As we said, we focused predominantly on the men's side of things this week, but we just wanted to talk about some of the matches that we did watch because they were quite entertaining. So that is kind of the landscape and where we're at on the NCAA side of things. I know the Power Four conferences are starting conference play this week, so it'll be interesting to see how the preseason has prepared them for that. What adjustments, if any, we will see from certain teams. But that is where we're standing. Those were the weekly highlights and happenings. A little longer segment today. All right. Let's get to the meat and potatoes of this. And I'm going to start by saying I was wrong. I think everybody was wrong. And I apologize to Turkey, who did not collapse in the playoffs. Well done. Adam was like, they're going down first round. There's so many storylines and there's so many things to cover with this World Championships. And the YouTube feed was blowing up with people wanting our takes on all of this happenings and teams not making it. So where I would like to start is I would like to look at the three teams who we expected to do really well in France, Brazil, and Japan. What are your observations? What are your thoughts? How did we get here? And just dissect that before we get into the teams who are still playing. I want to start with France, who I think, I mean, we had Brazil going to the final mostly because of their draw. I think France not making it out of pool in the fashion that they did was probably the biggest shocker of world championships. And they brought their big boys. There was a 0 % chance. that this was going to happen going into world championships. Oh my gosh. Okay. They lost to Argentina in five. Yeah. And they lost to Finland in five, finishing third in pool. Yeah. Give me your thoughts, because we watch both of these matches. I have a couple thoughts. First of all, the sheer number of serves France was missing. Against Finland in particular, they gave them an entire set in missed serves. So I'm going to throw these stats at you while you... bring up these points so against argentina they actually had the same number of miss serves in the match it was 22 apiece okay however you are correct against finland 27 miss serves to finland's 17. it is really really hard to win matches if you're giving the team a complete set wild wild tell me if you agree with this i understand wanting to be aggressive and the need to be aggressive on your serve 100 do you think France's ability to like maybe not do 100 % serve, maybe do like a 70 % serve because technically and systemically you trust yourself to be better than like a Finland. Or do you think that that is like underestimating Finland? No, they 100 % should have made that adjustment against Finland. What I read in that was we're going to try and dial in our serving so that further on in the competition. We're feeling it and we can unload on our serves. And we trust ourselves to be able to win even while we're trying to find our rhythm from the baseline. It came back to bite them. Obviously, I'm not on the bench. I can't speak for their mentality, but that's what it looked like to me. And I kind of thought they had that attitude and mentality through all of pool play. Un peu laissez faire. Oui, oui. because it's France Sarah's actually fluent in French I don't actually speak French like that I was just you know so that was my first thought my second idea as to what happened is France has won the last two Olympics they've been very successful in recent years maybe they just don't have that same drive and level of motivation to win those matches and maybe it's not as much of a like necessity you know to get these wins as it is for some other teams and maybe what we saw was a little bit of complacency I agree with that I think they were obviously prepared it's not like they got blown out in those matches so they were playing and they were competing but it was definitely a different level of urgency than we saw even in the important matches in VNL. Argentina is obviously a really good team. I don't think that they took them lightly, but I think lining up, it's hard to get up for a match against Finland. And I mean absolutely no disrespect to Finland, but when you've won that much and they're in your pool, that's a match where it's, hey, we come in, we warm up. We can play at 80 % and we're going to go on. And I just don't think when it came down to it, they couldn't flip the switch in those big moments. And again, you see it from the service line because that's an entirely mental skill. They just weren't sharp enough. And if that's a byproduct of having won so much, not being able to get into that mindset for pool play matches, it's something along those lines because they just weren't crisp. The other thing I will say is their left sides were not very good. They brought Engapeth. You're supposed to have all of your big guns here, all of your options. I went deep diving into the stats. And I combined all of the outside attacks. I'm not including the right side. All of the outside attacks during the VNL. So Engapeth was not there. So he was not included in this. As an outside core, they hit .358 on the entire competition, which is a very, very good number. Now, you would expect World Championships is an easier tournament, especially in pool play, and you upgraded, theoretically, that position bringing in Ingepeth. You would expect to be at the same level or higher. And during those matches, they hit .259. That is a marked... difference from your outside core when you put those three things together the serving issues the it wasn't a lack of intensity but a lower intensity that we've seen in big matches from them and the left side struggles from a scoring standpoint if teams come to play and both Argentina and Finland did you're not going to win okay what about Brazil all right I saw a couple things for Brazil now Brazil lost matches very closely. For people who weren't dialed into everything, there was a three -way tie for first place in that pool. And the only reason that Brazil didn't make it was because they dropped one set to China and the other two teams in their pool did not drop a set to China. Brazil was right there. I think they needed to beat... They needed to push Serbia to five or win one set to make that a tie and then go out ahead. And Serbia beat them in three. What I saw from Brazil, and we had this a little bit, we talked about this last time, and people were not happy with my assessment, but it's going to stand because I saw the same thing. Kachopa struggled to set the left sides. There were so many unhittable balls. Kachopa runs. right side middle pipe combination beautifully and quite frankly Brazil often does this very very well however on the left side the balls were often low and inside and tight and what I think was happening was they were trying to run that ball so fast that the location was just inconsistent I'm not sure Arthur specifically He's not a fastball hitter. He's 6 '10". He was volleying some balls. If you need to slow it down to give Arthur a chance to reach high and hit deep, give him a chance to score. And I thought he was handcuffed there. And Luccarelli's the same thing. He jumps well. He can handle the fast sets a little bit better. But overall, there were too many unhittable or times where the left side was in a compromised position. And when we're talking about losing sets by two or three points, that's an issue. I don't disagree with you. It was all the sets. Not all. A lot of sets to the left side were trailing onto the net. Now, the other thing that I saw, Alain didn't play poorly, but he also didn't play as well as he played in VNL. Yeah. He hit 284, which is not bad, but it's not good. Especially if your left sides aren't scoring. The statistical standards in men's and women's are different too. Like 284 for a left side in women's volleyball is like pretty good. But there's also a lot more defense being played. So that is not the same for men's, I don't think. Fair. But he also guts the garbage balls. Okay. And that's, we're talking efficiency here. So errors, blocks as well. What I will say, Atlanta was a black hole on defense. There were so many times where he was in position and got hit with the ball or it was half a step one way or another, and he was just not making plays. And Bernardo was about to lose his mind. He's like, the game plan is good. You're standing in the right place. Execute the dig. And there may have been a few words before the dig, but it was just not good enough. And again, we're talking about matches where it's two points. You've got to make those plays, especially when you're in the right place. He made one dig against Serbia. And there, I counted, there were seven balls I thought he should have had touches on. Let's say he doesn't dig all seven. Let's say he digs three more. That's three more opportunities and you need two points. It's just that part also wasn't good enough. I thought that Mikey and Lucarelli do a good job playing defense. I thought the blocking schemes for Brazil were good. I think that Arthur... has a little ways to go on his defensive game. Brazil was close. They couldn't close it out. They missed a few key plays. I liked what I saw from them. Arthur's young. There's some room for growth there, I think, with this team. I thought their performance, even though they didn't make it, was better than France's. We had a ton of questions about Japan. Oh, we did? Yes, we did. Japan... lost a shocker to turkey a and then i boldly predicted that they would hammer canada and that did not happen canada laid the boots to them and then they were eliminated japan just like that they had a they had a rough ghost i'm curious what you saw oh okay i honestly felt a little bad for japan and i don't usually feel bad for anybody In this case, balls that were close or any balls that could go either way, none of them went Japan's way. All of them went Turkey's way. All of them went Turkey's way. And none of them went Japan's way. When stuff like that happens, they would make a great swing and it would be like an inch out. And it was a great swing, great choice, just missed. Or a scramble play, something weird happens and it just like doesn't go their way. And so it was happening consistently. At that point, it's just, oh, it's so hard to watch because it's just like they could not catch a break at all. I thought specifically, Mia Ora. You know, normally he's finding fingers. He's finding holes in the block. He's catching sidelines. He was making good swings that were missing by barely anything. You would see on the bolt six, it was slivers of space. And I'm watching this from a coaching perspective going, I would tell you to make that same swing again. You hit that shot. 85 % of the time, and it goes your way. There was a little bit of loaded dice in the Turkiye match, I thought, specifically. And Turkiye played well. Turkiye played lights out. Yeah. But I would say Miura's serve also wasn't working. The Japanese left side combo of Ran and Ishikawa, they didn't score enough. Well, statistically, they were terrible. Yeah. Against Turkiye... Ran went one for 22, hit 0 -46, and Ishikawa went six for 23, hitting 2 -61. And they only ran the middle 10 times. Lackluster production from the left sides in that match. And the big thing to me was Turquoise out -aced them 7 -1. And those statistics for Japan, they need to be serving well. You need to be serving well, but also as an undersized team in the men's landscape, you need to pass well to give yourself a chance. And then on top of that, you and I talked about this, they were running such a vanilla offense. And I know that they have had success running that way for a while, but... You guys need to create some movement in the block or distract the block defense a little bit with some combo plays or something. And granted, if you're getting aced that much, your passing's not outstanding. We need to get a little more creative to make up for the things that maybe are not your strengths compared to other teams. So I felt that they're moving away from their typical identity. And my question to you is, Do you think that's because of the setter change or do you think that's the coaching influence? My ins, obviously, I don't know. No, but I'm... I would guess it's the foreign coaching they're bringing in. What they're running right now is a very Western style of volleyball. Even going, like I played pro in Asia for what, four years in different countries. That is a thing that I really had to adjust to as a Western. player going to asian countries is how reliant those teams and the leagues were on running fast combo like deceiving decoy plays as westerners we don't really think about it my instinct is it's a coaching thing because it's just probably not on the radar of those coaches but overload a middle left side run a pipe over top of the middle if you're going to play a more quote unquote western style of volleyball your middle has to be a threat they're missing the key component to doing that turkey a head they're outside hitters i feel bad for them they were up against two three blocks all night and well we said the same thing about the women's side they don't run the middle enough finally in worlds we we said wow they ran the middle a bunch i think it's a systemic issue i'm not sure the style matches their strengths quite quite appropriately for whichever reason they're they're doing that and then on the canada side the story for me was 10 blocks to 2 and canada outdug them 51 days to 44 and that shouldn't should never happen it was the same thing like mia ora hit 136 3 for 22 ishikawa hit negative Ran actually got subbed out. I thought the left side who came in actually played pretty well, but they just, they did not have it for whatever reason. It just wasn't a good turnaround for them at all. I think they're getting away from the things that make them successful. You see Ran, he wants to zig and zag and hit balls and cheer. Mia Ora is capable of running a little more kind of up and down on his own. He just had nothing go his way. The dice were loaded against him in this tournament. And sometimes that happens. The left sides struggled. So this kind of builds on a question that we got that we'll address now. In why are there so many upsets on the men's side? This person gave two possible reasons. Do you think programs aren't willing to give their younger players a chance? Or do you think that maybe the teams that have had success, their game style has gone a little stale and they're not evolving? But yeah, what do you think? That's such an interesting question. There's a couple things that come to mind with that question. One is, quite frankly, World Championships is not the time to play your young players. You play the people who have earned time, who have earned the spots. Well, you see the ins and outs in VNL because it is such a long. And that's where you play your young players. That's where you figure out who's ready to perform. World Championships is the tournament. It is what you are trying to win. I don't think for this tournament that is applicable. You look at an Ingepeth situation, for example. Didn't play at all in VNL. I believe he was injured this summer. Coming back to Worlds, it was pretty clear he had not been playing all summer. Do you know what I mean? To me, that's not a case of not giving a young player a chance. Ingepeth makes this better. He either wasn't ready to go or wasn't. The other thing I will say is that there are a crop of... young players coming up for teams that are not traditionally powerhouses who are upsetting the apple cart, so to speak. So the top five scorers from Worlds currently are all from teams you would not expect them to be from. Now, before you tell me that stats aren't everything, I understand that they're playing some more five -setters, that they're getting more balls than some of the other teams. The teams maybe aren't as well -rounded. However... Their hitting percentages are also off the charts. So I want to go over this just to give you some context. Regers from Belgium is leading the tournament, and I'm not going to go by points. I'm going to go by attack percentage. He's hitting .454 on the tournament. That is outrageous because they are setting him a ton, and he is delivering. That guy is so fun to watch. He jumps very well. It's spectacular. You know, when you've got a guy like that who's making a difference and scoring that many points and Belgium's got some veterans around them, they've got a couple other young players, they come out of nowhere and they make you play. And he was unconscious. Then you have Jokula from Finland, who he has the second most points, but he's hitting 372. That's very good. You have Ayi from Netherlands. Third highest score, hitting .301. The opposite from, or the left side from Turkey, Lagunca. He's hitting .446. That's crazy. Nikola from Bulgaria. And so they're coming up, and I do think that having something to prove and having a chip on your shoulder and coming out and being like, I'm coming for these guys, it does, it makes a difference. It gives you a little bit of an edge, and I think we've seen that so far in world championships. We talked about the teams that... we thought would do really well and didn't advance. But then some teams have been pretty big surprises and two in particular are Finland and Belgium. Yeah, like I said, they have the two top scorers in the tournament and they've got... pieces around them so I mean Belgium has a pro league Finland has a pro league they have a couple vets on there it's not a great pro league no but but these guys are playing relatively full -time and then all of a sudden you've got a couple young guys come in who can score points that kind of turns the corner for the program I think it's also like we have nothing to lose mentality and like how exciting is it for these guys to play against like they're heroes you know yeah and you know when you're coming up you want to kind of measure yourself against those athletes that you've watched for a long time so you get so hyped to play them and then you're having success you're like oh my gosh am i about to beat these people so i can see it being very exciting for them which is like kind of you know, the opposite situation we were talking about with like a France who has had a lot of success for a long time. Yeah, it's been really interesting to see because even like some of the teams like DeRoe on Belgium, he's not like a young guy. He's been around. He's feeling it and it's really cool to see. The youth revitalizes you. Yes. Because I believe he's 36. Oh, is he really? Yeah. I love that. What do you think playing for a contract means? Do you think that that factors in? You know, you've got these young opposites, these young outsides who, you know, have played mostly in their home leagues up until this point. That's not all true. Some of them have been in some other leagues, but this can up your contract value, I feel like. It's too, probably too, it is too late for this season, but like VNL is typically, you know, a place where... These clubs can see you, see what you're made of, offer you that contract. Belgium just qualified for VNL for next year. Finland's case, like this is a great opportunity for those guys. Everybody is watching world championships and like club presidents and owners and agents and everything. They're taking notes on like all these athletes. So yeah, you want to show up when you have a chance because like a lot of teams don't. And like speaking from my own experience, when I was playing Canada wasn't, involved or good enough to play in these things so I had to rely completely on my pro season to be able to get those opportunities and then like have my agent sell me having this opportunity and playing well in this stage is huge all right one more quick thing about world champs before we get into our new predictions because the old ones are completely out the window and useless but I have to say turkey a came to worlds with pretty much the same roster that they went to vnl with they are worlds better so i hope they're a completely different team i don't get it i hope that that coach is getting paid triple what his salary is because for them to be that much better in that short time how does that happen it's well well i'll tell you i'll tell you one thing the lagoonja brothers are just playing out of their minds. If we look at, I also did a comparison for Worlds and VNL for them. The one hit 230 at VNL is hitting 373 at Worlds. And the opposite hitting 294 at VNL is hitting 446. There you go. So that's pretty much the difference. All right, hit me with your new predictions for the rest of Worlds. So at the time of this recording, There have been four matches played. So we know that one of the quarterfinals is Italy versus Belgium, and another quarter is Turkey versus Poland. We are still waiting on the other two. So for the round of 16, we've got Tunisia versus Czech Republic. I think Czech is going to win that one. Okay, I have no idea. Then we have Serbia versus Iran. I also have no idea. I watched Serbia play a couple matches, and I liked what I saw. I think they're playing well. I'm going to go with Serbia on this one, actually. I think Serbia will win this one. Okay, so you have Czech versus Serbia. And I think Serbia is going to win and go to the semi. Okay, and then for the other rounds of 16, Bulgaria versus Portugal. I think Bulgaria will win. USA versus Slovenia. I'm going to say Slovenia. Although Micah Christensen is a massive difference maker for USA, okay? I watched them play after we did the segment of who improved the most. And just watching him run that offense, I immediately regretted not pumping his tires more in that episode. I think he did a fantastic job. And I actually voted against Karch and USA against Cuba. I'm not going to do it this time. I think... Karch gets the boys going I think USA is gonna win and then who do you think will win USA or Bulgaria I think USA is gonna go to the semi I'm gonna take a flyer here and say Bulgaria is going to the semi but then I think Poland will be Turkey they're just the best in the world right now yeah and I think Italy will beat Belgium I'm actually really looking forward to that game just I want to see Regers against the Italian bloc. I want to see how long the Magic can keep going. But I think Italy will win that one as well. I think Poland will be in the final. Yeah. I'm going to say... I'm going to say Bulgaria in the final. I'm going Poland -USA in the final. Poland winning the tournament. Okay. I think Poland will win it all. But I'm just like, that was my random, you know, let's throw it out there. Love it. Okay, let's see how wrong we can be. But we can't be as wrong as we were last week, so we're already ahead. So if you have not been paying attention to the Men's World Championships, you need to. The parody, the volleyball, it's exciting. There are players making a name for themselves. There are upsets happening everywhere. I think the final playoffs are going to be spectacular. There's no way our predictions are right, and so it'll be fun to watch these matches. I think they're going to be super competitive, and I think it's going to be a great week of men's volleyball. All right, it is time for listener questions. Question one, what are your thoughts on the men's jump float serves? Does it need to improve so reception breaks down more or should they leave it alone and rely on the block? This is totally situational. To be fair, there are some guys who have great jump floats. I think men's jump float serves are a joke compared to women's. I think in general, that statement is accurate. Women's jump floats are more effective than men's jump floats, but I think it's for a couple reasons. One, you don't have as many women who have bombing spin serves. So the men's float serve is, hey, you're our get it in guy. So you need to make sure that that serve is in because we already have these guys taking rips from the baseline. It also, it's situationally dependent, right? If you can hit a flat float serve across a middle's approach or to a specific side or eliminate an option, I think that probably could be utilized more in the men's game, taking a little bit more risk, but still making it a safe serve. But it's also dependent on how good your block defense is and what you're trying to do. There's a lot of factors that go along with how aggressive the float servers are in this regard, in my opinion. So your answer is? either one depending on the situation yeah it's it's situational i will say in general it's not as effective as on the women's side because the net's lower they get for instance better trajectory and it's can be more of a high risk serve where that's not the case on the men's side question two how do fans feel when their coaches are helping other countries i've never thought about this and i don't think anybody else thinks about it in general i mean it's a way for them to earn a living I've never thought about this, but I saw the question and I was like, oh, interesting. I guess I've never thought. Yeah, I mean, in this case, there's a lot of Italian coaches out there. There's a lot of Italian coaches. But if you look at other sports, a lot of Canadian coaches. But in beach volleyball, there's a ton of Brazilian coaches. Yeah, I think. Canadian hockey coaches. Yeah, wherever the sport is kind of homegrown and you have a lot of expertise, I mean, people are looking for jobs. And I don't think. I've never looked at a Canadian coach sideways for hockey. I'm a hockey fan. And said, oh man, I can't believe he's coaching that team. No, because I'm like, there are limited jobs. Yeah. And like, if you're good at what you do, yeah, take it. Yeah, it was interesting. I've just never thought about it before. Question three. Can you speak about the tradition of exchanging mementos before matches at VNL and Worlds? Where does this come from and what are the mementos? So I think this is actually typical across... all sports or a lot of sports when you have an international competition you exchange tokens from your country just to commemorate the match. I think international competitions used to be a lot more rare back in the day so it was like a much bigger deal. So to have like a token from the country that you competed against is like something special. Typically you see them being pins whether from the country or the National Sport Federation. Sometimes you'll see the captains exchange like pendants to represent the federation. Oftentimes though it is pins question four i fell in love with volleyball around the 2007 -2008 years that's my era just aging myself when penn state stanford nebraska and texas were constantly at the top of the standings and all producing insane volleyball players what do you think has changed for better and for worse since this era of volleyball i still look back at all these teams and think that they'd beat the majority of teams now honestly same I've had conversations with people about this so often. And if you look at the crop of athletes that were in that era, so, so many of them went on to have really strong pro careers and really strong national team careers. And I would say you see that. I'm sure somebody is going to pull up some stat and say that I'm wrong, but you see that crop of athletes in that span of time. More of them, I would say the per capita number of athletes from that era played for much longer than we're seeing in other eras. So I think in that era, we saw a lot more six rotation athletes, which is more conducive to having an international and a pro career. So I think that that is something that has changed for the worse since that time is the number of six rotation athletes has declined substantially. I will say something that has come of that that has been a change for the better is that we are seeing a lot more strong teams. You're not seeing just the handful who are consistently dominating. you're seeing a lot more strong programs across the board because you're not getting that specialization anymore. I was going to talk about the parity and the rivalries at that point in NCAA. When you couldn't leave a school, it was a bigger decision to go there. And you were there for four years. So you also... It was much harder to transfer. But I also think that that allows you... more time to grow as an athlete, right? If you can't just transfer out and start everywhere, there's a little more of a hierarchy from freshman to junior and you learn from your seniors. There's a bit more of a pro mentality in terms of mentorship and what you learn going through that process when it's not, well, I'm not playing, I'm leaving, I'm going here. And I think that that also adds. to A, the rivalries, B, earning your spot, and a little more competition internally, which might lead to some of those better international careers. Yeah, I mean, seniority was definitely more of a thing. But also, I feel like coaches were more inclined to really work on developing their athletes. Well, you have them for four years. Exactly. It wasn't so easy to just leave. there were you know you'd have to sit out for a season perhaps or you know you'd have to jump through so many hoops so i think players were developed more at their programs at that time again i'm biased because i'm from that era but i have often thought that teams from that era the top teams from that era would beat the top teams from this era and i'm sure let's open the floodgates Let's hear it. That is my come at me statement for the day because I have one every week so far. I've had conversations about this over the years and I agree with the person who wrote this question is that I do think that those teams would beat the majority of teams now. Our last question of the week is what are your thoughts on Kari Spears at Texas? I picked her up from my fantasy team. She's on our fantasy team starting on the opposite. So, and I'll, yeah, we've got three Texas girls starting for us. She is one of them. I mean, I think she's done a fantastic job so far. It's a hard transition coming in from high school to college. Yeah, she's athletic. She's done a good job. I like her mentality. She's aggressive. Once there's a book on you. Yeah, the sophomore slump, they call it. So I'm curious to see once we get into division play, teams see what her tendencies are. You know, they're a little more prepared. Then they are teams, you know, in the preseason, you're working on your own stuff, right? Well, to a certain extent. Right. But a lot of the times you're internally focused on this is what we're trying to do. This is the offense. This is the defense. As we get into division play. you're going to start to see more and more game planning, more focus on your opponents. And so when teams have a chance to be able to do that to her, I want to see how she responds. When you take away her favorite shot, can she find another way to score? So those will be the things that I'm looking at, but I think she's done a fantastic job. as always thank you to everybody who writes in we have got quite the list of questions so i am pulling a handful every week but keep them coming because we love to receive them and think about them so yeah thanks so much all right looking forward watch all of the men's world championships all the games at this point are going to be great there's i believe there's two a day pretty much for the pre -quarters and then quarters will happen the same way so there's going to be great volleyball on check it out i don't have any specific match because at this point they're all going to be good and we don't we we don't know who's going to win anymore so whatever looking at the ncaa a couple matches to pay attention to this week wednesday at 7 p .m eastern missouri versus texas a &m also on wednesday at 8 p .m eastern and sunday at 3 p .m eastern pit versus smu so that will be a really good game that's a back -to -back for them And then Friday at 7 p .m., Kansas versus Arizona State. They're starting Big 12 play with a bang. Normally you build up to the teams that have a chance to win, but they're like, no, we're just going for it. Honestly, I like that. I want to see these matchups now. You've played good schedules up until this point. You should be ready to go. Let's see it. And then we have Saturday at 3 p .m. Eastern, TCU versus Baylor, which is a good kind of... ranking there that'll be a good test for tcu and we'll see what baylor has going on thanks for your patience while our baby became very chatty this week um she had lots of opinions she had lots of opinions she's squeaking and squawking but she yeah she had a lot to say so thanks for your patience with that that being said baby's chattiness she got a little impatient so here i am finishing this by myself but that concludes this week's episode of volley talk There's always something shaking in the volleyball world, and we hope you enjoyed this little fix. 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