Cristina Ferrare - Former Fashion Model, NY Times Bestselling Author, TV Host & Entrepreneur

 And I remember I was having like an out of body experience thinking okay, I could either walk off right now or I could sit and face the music and I decided to do that.
 It turned me around in another direction and brought new opportunity and that's where I found my happy place and that's where I found what I now realized where my little baby scenes were planted for passion because you have to have a passion for what you do.
 You're listening to the Radcast. If it's radical, we cover it. Here's your host Ryan Alfred.
 Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast. I'm excited today. I've got a charming, a charming woman that I was excited to talk to and she might have no why.
 But we're going to get into that but Christina Ferrari great great to have you on the show.
 Thank you. I'm so excited to be on the show and I'm when I heard that you wanted to meet me to come on. I went, what?
 I can't believe it. So I'm flattered. Thank you so much.
 Well, hey, you know, you hit a few topics. I had some, some people turn me on to you and I was starting to read about you read little inserts from your books and there was this video of connection points and I was like, you know what?
 We say if it's radical, we cover it and you know what, Christina, I think you're pretty pretty darn radical.
 So best selling author, past known for being a model, like written books, your cook, your chef, you know, you've got your hands and all kinds of things, don't you?
 Yes, you know, because started at a very young age and you know, as you go through life and I look at my life as a book and chapters in a book and each part is a learning part and there are good things that happen to you along the way.
 Yeah, I'm pretty, can I say shitty things? Oh, yes, please. This is the red cast.
 I'm always trying to edit myself. Oh, please don't. No editing on the red cast.
 And then you know, you have to pick yourself up and move on because life is a series of events and you know, good stuff, bad stuff and you know, that's that's how I conducted my life.
 I know it has been obvious like I see that from what I've read and from afar and that's what I admired about you is it seemed like you.
 I don't know there was an energy about you that I really really appreciated and as we chatted before the episode I could feel it even more so I do let's start from the beginning I know I mean you've had such a great career you've done a lot of things.
 But maybe let's you know our 40 minute podcast we get only that we could just talk about your accolades and everything you've done but let's let's at least set the stage for everybody about Christina and you know, I guess your condensed life story.
 I don't want to I don't want to shortchange it but you know I do want to build towards today and talk more about your recent books which was where I saw some connection points and but let's at least tell everybody more about you if they haven't already heard there's probably a lot of our listeners that have heard of you a lot of executives that we work with but I'd love to talk a little bit about your story.
 Sure is there something you want me to start from the beginning because you get the highlights you know get the highlight version you know like you know your favorite moments so how about that.
 I have a lot of favorite moments in my life but I'll start with you know Cleveland Ohio I was born there and a good Western girl had it was brought up there so I had all the you know values of home and family and my parents were immigrants from Italy.
 My father was stationed in the war in Italy and we moved to Cleveland and by the time I was 14 my parents moved to Los Angeles and then long so short I came home from school one day my mother was having lunch with a new friend she made and she said your daughter is pretty do you ever thought of maybe perhaps modeling.
 So I ended up at the Nina Blanchard Agency in Los Angeles which is the equivalent to the Ford Agency in New York and I was 14 years old and by the time I was 15 max factor put me under contract and to them and I was there's folks person for over 20 years.
 Which is a very long lifespan in a models life but it ain't that forever isn't it.
 Yeah 18 I moved to New York and I happened to go you go and go see is that I happen.
 Oh I forgot to say somebody's I was put under contract to 20th century Fox as well at that time I was 16 I did a movie called The Impossible Years with David Niven which was the radio city music called Big Attraction and my life started to expand from there.
 So on by the time I got to New York I went on the go and see is I happen to walk into Francesco Scobulo who was the photographer who did all the cosmopolitan covers.
 So he says I do covers and I submit them every every month to magazine would you do one I went yeah I'll sure and then he decided he was going to do pages in Vogue for me and just send it over to Vogue.
 Three months later they came out at the same time and I never looked back it was like boom right the minute that cover hit the stands and the the Vogue magazine came out.
 Everybody was who's this new girl who's this new girl and because I was dark and not blonde and not flat chested I was different so I was able to command a lot of attention.
 I became a commercially supposed person I traveled all over the world met the most interesting people and I married for the first time at 19 years old to a lovely man who's been a friend of mine for over 40 years but it just didn't work out.
 I had a couple more after that I had one more after that after that marriage I stayed in New York to career or made up again you make super money at that time and you have to be really careful.
 You know because you could get so out of control but I was very grounded in my ways I would come to the studio I would bring food for everybody I would you know I was always on time always professional because basically I didn't want people to say anything about it about me.
 I want everybody to love me right so that sometimes that doesn't work out.
 Can't please everyone all the time.
 No but okay where am I in this August? See I'm having a brain fight.
 Oh yes my husband just locked in and he stuck his head and he said it's John so John is John is John Florian.
 I saw that name and of course you remember the I always thought it was back to the future you know being a product of the 80s.
 Well you know I remember distinctly it was during the trial because John was arrested at that time for allegedly he was acquitted by the way for buying and selling cocaine and we were in the middle of the trial and we went to see a movie.
 We wanted to see back to the future I had two small children and I had to you know try to have some sense of normalcy for them.
 So we went to see a movie and we're sitting there and the whole place is packed packed and we just quietly went and sat down and all of a sudden this car comes on and my little girl shouts hey mommy look it's daddy's car.
 Everybody in the theater just like stood up and started cheering and I thought well this is where he's being accused of cocaine and everybody's like it.
 But the car had a personality of its own a legend a legend of its own along with John I'm making light of it but it was you know our whole life overnight just turned upside down.
 And it was very difficult because I had two small children nine and six years old and we were followed everywhere by the paparazzi people were screaming at us we couldn't go out it was awful and we ended up in New Jersey.
 It's it's very funny because the house that we add was bought by the the Trump organization for the golf course that's the one in bedminster that was our home.
 And so you can get an idea of the lifestyle that I was living at that time which was quite heavy I have to admit I was very young.
 I didn't quite know how to handle everything because because I just did it and like I said it was it was a terrible time it was a very sad time and it was a stressful time and our marriage couldn't survive the stress after 11 years of marriage.
 There are a lot of things I don't know if you've seen any of the documentaries on TV with the morning car there's been three now and it's been a while but I have seen at least one of them yeah.
 And you know it missed with everybody with all of our heads my head my children's head and it was it was a difficult time.
 But you know I have a great family I took the kids I came back to California restarted my life I was very fortunate and blessed to be able to get a job excuse me right away over the morning television show and it happened.
 When the head of the old the old and operation operated stations here in LA was watching me on Phil Donahue who had me on to talk about the Delorean trial.
 But I was promoting a book at the time he said you could come on the show but I need to ask you a couple of questions about John.
 I said okay well you know I have a gag order I can't really talk about stuff but he says why promise you know we'll talk about the book and then I'll ask you a question.
 So he opens up the show but you know he's in the audience with that microphone when he sticks in everybody's face and he says the first thing out of his mouth is John Delorean is guilty of giving your kids cocaine.
 And how do you feel about it he sticks the microphone in front of this ladies you know in front of this ladies she starts talking about how he's wording the youth of America how can I stay with such a man.
 And I remember I was having like an out of body experience thinking okay I could either walk off right now or I could sit and face the music and I decided to do that.
 So by the time it was over it took about 45 minutes and I had like four minutes to promote my book but I just felt it was important but to talk about it but without giving away anything that would get me in trouble in the course.
 So the person of the old station happened to watch me on that and he was replacing a person on the AM Los Angeles show which was the morning show here in LA with a new host and he said she's feisty that one I'd like to have her I would like to hire her to come out.
 So I went and I met with them and I realized that I had to earn my own money because we financially wiped out the government came in and took everything all of my money, all of John's money, everything.
 So I was broke and I realized that you know I had to step up, I had to support my kids and move to LA, my family was great, my brother, my sister, my mother, my father, my close friend, well close friends.
 I have to say I had one left because along with everything else our friends just they were like cockroaches you know they just they all went away which really shocked me.
 So really it was like wait a minute what okay so you know you know you know who your friends are when the things are not so great right.
 Yeah sure do and then I was able to put my kids in school support them support myself and what was great about it was here I am a girl from Cleveland because it was the morning show at the time in LA the biggest market in New York.
 In LA everybody who was anybody was promoting a movie a film or a book so I got to meet every single major movie star every famous director writer medical expert everything that would all come on the show to promote what it was they were doing.
 So I couldn't believe it you know like when Jimmy Stewart would sit there and I'd go.
 Oh my god it's a story I can't believe it was it was a wonderful time I stayed there for six six years and then kept you know when that was over with you know it's like oh my god what do I do now but you know what you have to figure out what am I going to do now.
 But it's disappointing why do I left because I met my Tony the mob was that we've been married 37 years and after I met him you know we had two children and then I decided that when I had my second child I wanted to just stop and raise my kids because I was I was gone a lot and in the mornings and so I decided I was going to do that but then after a while when the kids went to school I got really bored and it's like oh my god what am I going to do now.
 Do now but opportunities keep happening for you and it's always important to when a door opens for you to walk through it even if you don't want to because you never know where you're going to meet where you're going to go and what's going to change the trajectory of your life.
 And I decided that and that's the way my philosophy has always been I always step through that door and I'm always surprised and it's always in the direction I'm supposed to be going it so I just go with it.
 I love it Christina there's a lot to unpack there I do want to I want to focus forward but I also want to just ask that if just I'm a curious curious creature you know like you know like looking back and sometimes you talk to people and I don't know what I'm doing.
 It's not in a it's not necessarily negative but you're like almost surprised how little you like they've lived you know in their life like how simple it is and in some ways you admire that simplicity and happiness.
 And I hear you told your story and I hear seven lifetimes you know like you know like the amount of living you've done and it fascinates me and I always want to you know like go like you've described what it was like and you've described those emotions but like looking back.
 Looking back is it just is it a blur or is everything like obviously I know you know some things are brighter than others but like is it just like do you feel like you've really lived.
 Yes.
 It sounds like you know I just feel like life coming out of you you know like in a positive way and like living and experiencing so many different you know sagas of life.
 Well, the thing is is a lot of people are paralyzed when bad things happen to them and they don't know what to do.
 I was never that kind of a person because I I realized that I needed to move forward and I also realized too.
 For months for me I needed to be independent I needed to make my own money I needed to have my own freedom and that gave me freedom but the joy that I received from that I had having children and having my husband.
 And the supportive of you know my family that that just kept me going forward I've had some pretty hard knocks you know where I've been fired from jobs that devastated me especially my last one which was for the home art channel called home and family.
 We started that originally in 1996 and then it was it came back again in 2012 and they hired me to come back on.
 It was two hours live every day I loved doing the show more than I've done everything else you know I've hosted a Regis and Kathy I mean I was with Regis many times and I did the morning America had my own shows but this this was very special because I got to go into everybody's living room every day for two hours.
 And my kids could come to the set with me and it was so joys I loved everybody I worked with and then six six five years into it.
 I started feeling kind of weird and I you know my I would come home my husband said are you okay you're missing you're not really listening you're not and I'm going what do you mean I'm not really listening I've been doing this for 20 years what are you talking about you.
 And he said no there's something that's a little off and sure enough one day I said to oh I know what it was so this is what happened all what's my mom who had Alzheimer's passed away right after that I was fired like three weeks later I was fired out of the blue.
 And when I asked the head of the network and the executive producer why are you doing this the ratings are great and I said because I thought of myself is like the mom of the house I really believed this was my house I really believed that these people I worked with all 75 of them were my family I really did I should have known better because that's not the way the business really is you know you pretend family.
 But I said what are you doing this and this is what they said okay this is what I heard no this is what they said this is this is what I heard because you're old okay you're old.
 And that it would I can't tell you what that felt like because it was like I've never experienced that because as as a woman and successful woman and then being the position I was that never occurred to me and would never occur to me because I was old that I would be fired.
 It's like first of all you can't say that to me because you know I say that's against law you can't say that you know and and I said I said you do realize the demographic for hallmark is 50 to death you do realize that right and he said well yeah you're too old we want to bring in a younger demographic I said kids today they don't want to sit for two hours and watch you know somebody you know knit something I said you can't do that.
 Um so um wait a minute did you give me oh oh I'm sorry yeah somebody just handed me something just like shut up you're talking too much.
 No you're not you're not this is fascinating.
 No no I'm kidding I'm kidding I can't tell you what that did to my spirit and my psyche and I just couldn't get over it.
 And I you know it was fine for a day but then I just broke down completely I had a massive like nervous massive notice breakdown which I never do never never I've never done in my life but after about my kids my two younger kids came home.
 Um oh not at that time but I was crying and crying and crying and crying and then I said to Tony I I can't get over this there's this is not normal this this what I'm feeling is not normal everybody's got you know everybody's been fired from a job I have to there's something going on something's not so long story short.
 Um exercising the whole whole family we went to exercise they put me on this machine that rattles your bones and when I got off I had a terrible headache that lasted for three days.
 So I said oh when I got home from there I couldn't get up the stairs because the room was spinning and everything I said I need to go to the hospital or something is off.
 So I go to the emergency room and because I was complaining of headaches they did a pet scan and I was told what are the doctor who is a dear friend of ours who had a cardiology there said I'm going to take care of Christina so he came in and when he came in and he walked over to my husband he's a good family friend now it takes my husband's hand and he starts to cry and I went.
 And then my husband starts to cry he hasn't heard anything yet and I went am I dying I saw you guys to me I said stop it stop it right now.
 What are you doing tell me I have multiple my Loma you know which is like I guess the disease does your now since our dear Colin Powell Pat you know I had it.
 Anyway so everybody's now talking about multiple my Loma but the time I said okay I don't like the word multiple and I don't like my Loma because that indicates some kind of cancer correct and they said yes.
 So I said what is it he said it's the cancer the plasma the blood cells and I went well that's not good you know I but I have to tell you my when when he said that to me I I just I didn't get scared.
 You know you should get cancer diagnosis and you fall apart and you scared there was a piece that came over me and such a stay calm.
 I'm with you we're going to get through this so I said what what first of all what's the prognosis how long do you have is that you have two to five years and I go.
 No no no I reject the holidays and that's not happening.
 He said you can come back on Thursday this was a Monday and we will do we'll start the test I go no you're not I'm staying here tonight you can start tomorrow and he says stay off the Internet Internet which I didn't I went on.
 The next morning I said okay this is the plan I'm having stem cell.
 That was it he said don't you want to talk I said no we're doing the stem cell everything that I read about this is what we're doing I'm in an early stage we can do this so I was able to contact.
 They had a research of the myeloma found not the myeloma foundation but they have research for my llama at city of hope and I contacted her and she's been my doctor of a sense I had a stem cell may fourth 2017 and I've been in remission ever since but.
 I was supposed to stay in the hospital for a month I was out in two weeks and that's going to get into the whole eating thing now because the way that I've always eaten and and.
 I believe that food is medicine for your body but it can also kill you because you know it has pesticides and processed and that's why cancer diabetes all these diseases are out of control now because of the American diet that we have you know to.
 I've heard that you've told three or four different stories but out of every single one of them it's a theme coming through and I always ask people like you know because not everyone is that way you know especially in today's.
 It's like everyone's kind of goes the other way where did that come from.
 I'm Italian number one okay all right starts there.
 You know what I don't know where that really comes from it's just I know that it's always served me well but my my girls call this side of me.
 We're seeing a panare that's their life evil twin it's like whenever somebody you know backs me up or if I have to do something that the mom.
 You know we're seeing a panare came out today and I had to assert myself to in order to get what it was that I needed and she they said you know it works.
 They used to get frightened every time they saw Christina come out and they would leave but I think it's just a survival mode that I've always had because.
 I enjoy everything I do and like if you'd ask me like now if you could go back and change one thing would you change it and I would say no absolutely.
 I don't sense that knew that that's why I wasn't even going to ask that I don't sense sense.
 I know but I don't I don't know I don't sense that you change anything but I because I feel like you've learned and you've rebounded like if you were someone that dwelt
 which I don't sense in you like I might ask that but I could tell you don't dwell you your problems over your fixer fight or whatever it is I don't even know you but that's what I sense in you.
 Well I think it's but I've learned in life very young and I believe that failure or what you perceive as failure to be is opportunity disguise as deep disappointment you know so it's you know I made that up by the way did you really I
 all right that we're going to circle that one that that's going to make we do highlight clips from these that's making the highlight clips and going to be a quote.
 And if you see that on my personal page I will obviously give you credit but I love that.
 But I believe that and every single time and I'm not exaggerating or lying about this every single time one of those bumps in the road happened always turned out to be the best thing that happened for me
 because it turns me around in another direction and brought new opportunity if that hadn't have happened I wouldn't have met my eyes.
 If I end up sick I wouldn't have written the book or if I hadn't written the book I wouldn't have come up with the idea for the food company that we just started.
 So everything turns out for a reason and when you look back on it did it hurt did you cry did you do yeah I did all of that did I get mad did I believe yeah I also believe in letting your feeling to show you true feelings.
 And you don't have to hold anything back it's okay to be sad it's okay to be mad it's okay to you know to act not cruelly but it's okay not not cruelly but badly as long as you're not you know physically hurting anybody or say or your word you have to be careful with your words too because those are hurt.
 But those are all life lessons and you know somebody said to me the other day you ever plan to retire and I go no I said because when you retire you just stop you know you stop I can make I can make something I don't want to stop I want you know all and I know you've heard this this line before but we're all works in progress.
 We are I'm not on my last chapter yet of my book of my very long wonderful life's book and one of my favorite books in the world is a book that Tony gave me when we were dating from a Greek poet called cava coffee.
 He was a great poet and he wrote the poem Ithaca you know and it's you know it's about it's about life's journey it's not about collecting things it's not about having things or it's about you know getting out there into the world and going through the journey and life and seeing where it takes you and how it changes you the people it brings it to your life.
 So love that I'm asking to and I'm asking question frame this purple really you're a beautiful woman you are you you were a model you're still a beautiful woman how do you look you were a fashion model.
 Like when you think about the doors that beauty open for you and the world we live in now that's somewhat superficial but yet there's this layer to you that's so much deeper than beauty.
 I mean are you a realist in that you look back and you know it opened doors but then you ran through them but like what do you what do you think about when you think of beauty and how the role it played in your life.
 I have to tell you again honestly that when I was young I I knew I was pretty but I never thought I was beautiful and I was oh I'm too fat I'm too you know I this is this is off.
 But I knew that I was but I didn't I didn't feel like it but when I look back at those photographs and stuff I go holy cow I was beautiful.
 I realize it then you know but I think maybe that that was and I would always compensate for that because I didn't think I was so hot by by doing other I had other things that you know my love of family
 the cooking the thing like that it's things like that so but I also I wasn't stupid I also knew the power that I had which I had a lot of yeah at that time because of the way that I that I looked but again when I look back on it I think wow I could have done more with.
 But I didn't and you know and I look at myself now at 71 years old and you know it's it's hard I look at myself in the mirror and you know it's you know I got makeup on you take all the
 selfies isn't so perfect you know but it's okay I'm okay with who I am as a person and I believe that even though I am aging and I I don't have that power anymore my daughters have it now and it gives me great
 like to sit back and watch them do do that you know but but they're like I am they they don't think of that themselves that way they they're very much into the same things I I was about family and cooking and all.
 Oh there's that's true beauty then is what I would call that my wife is the same way I I do want to transition to food one of the reasons you know like your story really
 attracted to me not only just the depth of it in the layers but you know what you've you've turned to with with the nutrition business now and and flourish so I definitely want to hear more I know the
 health you know your health inspired a lot of that and other things but was certainly transition to that and what that journey's been like.
 When I was in the hospital convalescent I was trying to finish the book and I was writing all of these recipes I realized that what I wanted to do for the next chapter of my life is something that I've really been preparing unwittingly all of my life for because when I was a child as little as three years old I was always in the kitchen with my mother and my grandmother.
 And I was always cooking and that's where I found my happy place and that's where I found what I now realize where my little baby seeds were planted for passion because you have to have a passion for what you do in life no matter what it is you decide to do.
 So I can remember playing in a sandbox with a bucket and water and sand and I would put like the sand in the water and pretend it was pasta water like my Nana would do with her pasta and I put these little plastic bowl you know what you remember you two young they were bowling bowling pints made out of plastic.
 And I remember those come on that young.
 And then I would pretend it was the pasta and I would cook and I would have all my neighbor friends come over and we would pretend and our house was always filled with music and people every weekend so I associated food with happiness and family and noise and music and that's you know that's what always lived inside of me.
 So I wanted to become a dietician that was my first thing I want you know I got I was sidetracked by coming home from school one day and this woman saw me and but that's what I wanted to be as a nutrition nutritionist.
 Yes so what I love is the lore of the kitchen I love the science of the kitchen I love how things come together and I've studied everything about nutrition since I was a little girl so now all of that what I've been through all the years with all the talk shows I've done because I've always said if I didn't show they said one thing they say what is it the one thing you want to contribute.
 Nice I wanted to cook so this is what I did and that's my way of reaching out to people that's my way of showing love to people you know it's my feeding them so when I decided I was sitting there I go I want to start a food company because I want people.
 People people are going to go on diets people are going to stop eating fried chicken and they're not going to stop eating ice cream and pizzas and potato chips they're not they're just not.
 I don't know what I like all those.
 So I said how can I bring all of these foods to these to people that they can eat without injuring their bodies right first thing you have to do is you have to make the decision to cut out process sugar and hydrogenated fats period that's all you need to do so now we're going to reinvent your recipe and how are you going to make these foods.
 And you substitute your process sugars with natural ones like stevia or monk fruit which is made from plants you could do that and I've come up with recipes even a dessert chocolate moose with no cream no dairy and it tastes like chocolate moose so.
 And potato chips and fries and all of these things that you can have by cooking it in a way that's clean and eating organic now everybody's from well it's too expensive it is not too expensive all major supermarkets carry organic foods now and maybe there are four or five cents maybe 25 cents more than what you pay for the ones that's sprayed with chemicals and they're plastic bags and things that are killing you and killing your family.
 So you know so you pay a couple extra dollars more for organic food if the food stock organic I will put it in my mouth I just won't eat it if you want to eat me that's your thing I don't eat me because I it's a it's a cruelty thing in my head I always think that you're eating fear you know are eating and then plus you know they're pumped with all kinds of hormones and things like that so I just I just don't eat it.
 So anyway, but I love hamburgers, but yeah, I miss those.
 You got to miss a hamburger now.
 No, I do.
 But you know what there are members of my family who eat me and so I have to I have to prepare them in a way but that they can eat it without it you know raising cholesterol or having too much fat and stuff like that.
 But my food is delicious and I decided when I want to start in this food company as you know when you start a company you have to start small because I want to do everything at once I want to do this big company I want to have soups and sauces and and grab and go and so I said okay I need to focus.
 And I started with granola cereal because everybody was saying your granola is so good you should market it but you know it's not that easy where you walk in to start say oh you put my stuff on your shelf no it's been an honesty we've been at this now with flourish our
 flourish company for four years and now we're just starting to get our ceilings because you know there's a lot of moving parts to starting a business and and a lot of mistakes that you make as well.
 But we started with that we ended up on amazon we're in a major company here a major health food store in LA called air one and we just made it on to Walmart.
 We can order from Walmart and we're starting to expand and my dream is this my dream as I want to have a food company where I can have everything you know all your sauces your soups the recipes salad dressings everything that you will have in your everyday life that's organic it's gluten free some of it is vegan.
 But all the foods that you know no GMO kosher all those things that that will feed your body and and and help keep you healthy because you know there's the environment you talk about answers you know there's a hereditary and then there's also you know the environment there's a lot of factors that going to but you have to help your body to be able to help itself.
 And then what I would like to do is eventually in success I'm praying that somebody will come and buy my company for 500 million dollars you know.
 Are you and everyone else started to come with that.
 And then the next phase is I wanted to be the give back phase you know where I want to start a foundation or I want to build a building at city of hope where it you know they have can they have cancer research they do that but a myeloma found a myeloma and Alzheimer's because that's the other thing that well they don't do that there but because it's a cancer research hospital.
 But those are the things I want to do I want to be able to help with research from multiple myeloma and you need money to do that but I believe I could do that if they're success with this company so it's just my little dream and start out small and hopefully you know I live long enough to be able to see my dream come true.
 But if not I know I'm putting good things out there so it's okay so I know this kind of this question kind of spans both the company now and then obviously your past but like what's been maybe the most surprising change you know you came up through media you know as a model and magazines and then you were in media on the news is you know on TV every day and then now running a company dealing with media with your products things like that like what's been the biggest surprise.
 The biggest surprise or the biggest change to you in just over the overall media landscape as you've come through it.
 I realize how difficult it is it's it's not easy you know and it's an everyday thing and it takes up sometimes a good portion of my day which like I'm going through a phase now or I actually resent it but I'll get over it it's just a phase and I'll get back to it because the other day I said that's it I'm not doing this you're not going on Instagram anymore.
 And my husband just shakes his head because he knows how I am and then four or five days a week goes by and back to doing what I was doing but it's it's difficult.
 That part I find difficult it's just so complex to there's so many channels now right I mean it's like you get Instagram and you got Facebook and you've got TikTok and you've got YouTube and you've got you know and I guess those are almost like the channels now let's like back in the day it was it still isn't BCCBS ABC but.
 It's it's just so many so many variables now right yeah but it really takes a village too and right now I'm a one woman show along with my husband you know to to keep you know our investment tight and everything and eventually I need help to do the Instagram and I don't even understand TikTok so I don't understand so I'm not sure although I hear it's something you should be doing but.
 It's a woman it's yeah it was a year ago I would tell you it was coming but it was mainly 15 year olds and now I'll tell you it's here.
 So don't dance or something.
 No you don't have to dance.
 I don't dance and I'm verified and have all thought believe me you don't see I'm 65 to 60 you don't want to see me dancing.
 So but I but I have a good TikTok following but I do more factual yeah I call it infotainment.
 It's you.
 Yeah I have no idea I have to look at look into it but right now you know that's what I'm doing right now and especially now during the holiday times I love this this time of
 year and it's taking me away from all the things that I love to do so I have to find I have to find balance that balance is really
 important in life because then you start to lose your sensibilities if you don't you know talk about food for thought you know I know it's
 a lot of books out there but that's a lot of you know the recipes of different things that you were just talking about.
 Where can what's the best play Amazon things like that where can everybody keep up with all your books and you.
 Yeah Amazon carries it the book has been out for like six years now so it's in the final phases of it and I'm trying to talk to the publisher to see with all the
 PR that's going on if they would consider but right now going publishing more books but with things going it comes over from China and and with things going on over
 there right now everything is a mass and it costs you know I'm starting also this for in ventel television where I'm going to have things that I'm going to do for the home and one of the things was
 Cast iron skillet that was probably the best thing I've ever cooked in we worked on it for three years and to bring it over would buy the crate was going to cost about
 $3,000 to bring everything over now they raised it to 20,000 and we can't we can't put that on my have to charge $200 for skillet who wants to do that so you know can't do that but I'm going to come out with a skin care
 line which has CBD oil that's fabulous oh that's exciting yeah working on that is uh you know super yeah CBD has been it's all the rage these days it's
 going in everything well it helps me a lot too when I was going through all that body pain when I was going through all my chemo stuff so that really
 helps it does well we do a little section that's called rad or fad so you can even think of it is in simplest terms is good or bad but I call it rad or fad I give you one word you tell me rad or fad
 how about that okay first word plant based rad or fad oh it's not so rad haha we got some we got some layups here GMOs
 uh yeah when this rad yeah what bad non GMOs would be rad GMOs would be fat or bad
 I know GMOs is that no I'm it's non GMOs that's why I hesitate and I have to think about food carts seem to be like trending I think it's a bad yeah I think you're right yeah see them
 around alcohol free cocktails um I think it's red I do I do I hope it's not a fat because I know a lot of people have
 you know the drink that will probably be better for them so yeah it's rad yeah cool Christina where can everybody keep up with you and everything else what's the best place to keep up with Christina
 Ferrari well um you could go to Christina cooks which is no age in Christina that our food company because I want to get this correct because I always get a wrong I don't know why it's
 flourish underscore flourish F-L-O-U-R-I-S-H underscore body mind soul and there you can see
 everything that we do with our granola cereal and all pictures and all thousand different ways that you can eat it
 because you know I try to get people to think outside the the box there where you can you know
 find other ways to use granola other than pouring milk on it or as I like to say thinking outside the bag
 you know and then I'm on Twitter at Christina cooks and my my website which is Christina Ferrari
 www.ChristinaFerrari.com Christina and some of you have TikTok
 yes soon to be on TikTok yes inspired by the rad cast Christina you've been lovely I really appreciate your
 time I think our guests are going to find this really insightful your stories really amazing and I
 love the fight you have in you and you know true beauty well thank you I have to tell you you're so easy to
 talk to you're so chill and lay back and I really appreciate you know every your questions and really having me
 on because I'm so shocked that you had me on but I'm very grateful thank you thank you so much Christina
 hey guys you know where to keep up with us we're at the radcast.com search for Christina Ferrari search for
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