The Make Or Break Moments In Vet Med

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Intro Devyn Took Her Pharmacy Final Dr. Duckwall's Barn Cat Almost Ran Away What's Your Favorite Conspiracy Theory? Do We Believe In Ghosts? Dr. King's Case Courtney's Case Dr. Duckwall's Case Devyn's Case What Are Make Or Break Moments In Vet Med? (@sammycarmona) Are There Stereotypical Veterinarians In Different Fields? (@sammycarmona) Outro

WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:11.400 (upbeat music) Happy New Year and welcome to another episode of the Veterinary Round Table, the podcast where we answer your veterinary related questions while having some fun along the way. 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:16.260 If you enjoyed today's episode, be sure to leave us a review on your podcast provider of choice. 00:00:16.260 --> 00:00:20.039 And if you have any feedback to offer to improve the veterinary round table, please let us know. 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:21.039 - Mm-hmm. 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:21.879 Mm-hmm. 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:23.379 - Mm-hmm. 00:00:23.379 --> 00:00:24.219 - Mm-hmm. 00:00:24.219 --> 00:00:25.059 - Okay, where's that hammer? 00:00:25.059 --> 00:00:26.739 (laughing)- I'm sorry. 00:00:26.739 --> 00:00:27.739 - Bring the hammer, did you bring the best day in? 00:00:27.739 --> 00:00:29.140 - Stay in heaven, no. 00:00:29.140 --> 00:00:30.899 - I was gonna say the podcast server. 00:00:30.899 --> 00:00:32.979 (laughing) Sorry, I was telling you this. 00:00:32.979 --> 00:00:35.259 - Okay, let's like, I think we rotate the mystery bag. 00:00:35.259 --> 00:00:36.420 - Yes, that's what I was saying. 00:00:36.420 --> 00:00:37.259 And it needs to be spent. 00:00:37.259 --> 00:00:38.100 - You don't like the pressure. 00:00:38.100 --> 00:00:38.939 - You don't like the pressure. 00:00:38.939 --> 00:00:41.340 - A surprise, like when it speaks to me, I'll bring it to surprise you guys. 00:00:41.340 --> 00:00:42.899 But I can't just expect it as well. 00:00:42.899 --> 00:00:43.939 - I can't just expect it every time. 00:00:43.939 --> 00:00:46.460 - Okay, well then I think we should just rotate the mystery bag. 00:00:46.460 --> 00:00:47.299 - Or we should do like that. 00:00:47.299 --> 00:00:48.140 - Or we should do like that. 00:00:48.140 --> 00:00:48.979 - Or we should do like that. 00:00:48.979 --> 00:00:49.820 - Like last month. 00:00:49.820 --> 00:00:50.659 - No, that's not the rotation. 00:00:50.659 --> 00:00:51.500 - No, let's rotate it. 00:00:51.500 --> 00:00:53.179 'Cause I deserve to experience it. 00:00:53.179 --> 00:01:08.900 - You do. - From someone else. 00:01:08.900 --> 00:01:10.900 - You do, yes, me. 00:01:10.900 --> 00:01:11.900 - Okay, sure. 00:01:11.900 --> 00:01:13.140 - It's like the big comfy couch. 00:01:13.140 --> 00:01:14.180 Everyone watch that show. 00:01:14.180 --> 00:01:15.180 - Oh, yes, back in the day. 00:01:15.180 --> 00:01:16.180 - It just gets old after a while. 00:01:16.180 --> 00:01:17.180 You keep pulling things out of the couch. 00:01:17.180 --> 00:01:18.180 - Yeah, we got it. 00:01:18.180 --> 00:01:19.180 - And like, I think in your couch. 00:01:19.180 --> 00:01:20.180 - And it's big. 00:01:20.180 --> 00:01:21.180 - It's got me. 00:01:21.180 --> 00:01:22.180 - Okay. 00:01:22.180 --> 00:01:23.180 - Okay. 00:01:23.180 --> 00:01:26.659 - No, just one when I was in the dressing room. 00:01:26.659 --> 00:01:29.340 - Okay, who gets the bag next? 00:01:29.340 --> 00:01:31.340 I need like a, a, a ton to pass. 00:01:31.340 --> 00:01:32.340 - I'll take it. 00:01:32.340 --> 00:01:33.340 - Okay, volunteer. 00:01:33.340 --> 00:01:34.340 - Volunteer. 00:01:34.340 --> 00:01:35.340 - We love the volunteers. 00:01:35.340 --> 00:01:36.340 - Okay. 00:01:36.340 --> 00:01:37.340 - Okay, that was really funny. 00:01:37.340 --> 00:01:38.340 - Okay. 00:01:38.340 --> 00:01:39.340 - I'm serious. 00:01:39.340 --> 00:01:41.019 - We also, yes, 'cause I always cry when I cry. 00:01:41.019 --> 00:01:42.019 - Onward today. 00:01:42.019 --> 00:01:44.540 - Okay, we are up on podcasts. 00:01:44.540 --> 00:01:45.540 - Yep. 00:01:45.540 --> 00:01:46.540 - Reviews. 00:01:46.540 --> 00:01:47.540 - Yep. 00:01:47.540 --> 00:01:50.459 - And we are almost halfway to our goal of 100 on Apple. 00:01:50.459 --> 00:01:51.459 - Almost halfway. 00:01:51.459 --> 00:01:54.780 - Almost halfway, which means we're almost halfway, which means once we're halfway, we're all together. 00:01:54.780 --> 00:01:55.780 - Which means we're there. 00:01:55.780 --> 00:01:56.780 - So, yeah. 00:01:56.780 --> 00:01:57.780 - That's, yes. 00:01:57.780 --> 00:02:00.180 - We're at 40 right now in Apple, so keep them coming. 00:02:00.180 --> 00:02:01.019 - We need to have an answer. 00:02:01.019 --> 00:02:03.219 - Keep them coming and then on's,- Audify. 00:02:03.219 --> 00:02:04.060 - Yep. 00:02:04.060 --> 00:02:05.060 - We're going 128. 00:02:05.060 --> 00:02:08.060 - I don't think we're going, a lot of Apple's 100. 00:02:08.060 --> 00:02:09.099 - No, first Spotify. 00:02:09.099 --> 00:02:09.939 We didn't have Apple. 00:02:09.939 --> 00:02:11.659 - Harrison, do we have a goal? 00:02:11.659 --> 00:02:12.500 - I'm a lot of FI. 00:02:12.500 --> 00:02:13.740 - No, we'll just go with Apple. 00:02:13.740 --> 00:02:14.580 - We're going with Apple. 00:02:14.580 --> 00:02:15.419 - Too many numbers. 00:02:15.419 --> 00:02:16.259 - Okay, cool. 00:02:16.259 --> 00:02:17.099 - Too many numbers. 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:19.139 - So that's 60 people say something. 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:20.900 And I know we got 60 followers. 00:02:20.900 --> 00:02:21.900 - Yeah, so. 00:02:21.900 --> 00:02:28.580 - Okay, so, and we still, do not, we have a couple of suggestions for Devon's, what she's going to do when we get to 100. 00:02:28.580 --> 00:02:32.020 - We should just keep them to ourselves now, so people can just listen and see what we decide. 00:02:32.020 --> 00:02:35.979 - Oh, we'll see, I think they should know because then they're going to be like,- I don't even know. 00:02:35.979 --> 00:02:37.780 - Hell yeah, I'm going to do this. 00:02:37.780 --> 00:02:38.780 Let's make sure this. 00:02:38.780 --> 00:02:40.819 - And we want them to comment ideas. 00:02:40.819 --> 00:02:41.659 - What is it? 00:02:41.659 --> 00:02:44.099 - It was trying all the different dog foods. 00:02:44.099 --> 00:02:45.300 - That's a good one. 00:02:45.300 --> 00:02:46.860 - Dry and canned. 00:02:46.860 --> 00:02:48.180 - All of them kinds? 00:02:48.180 --> 00:02:49.020 - What do you mean? 00:02:49.020 --> 00:02:49.860 - I think it's like cans. 00:02:49.860 --> 00:02:50.900 - Like the ones that we have in the clinic? 00:02:50.900 --> 00:02:52.460 - Yeah. 00:02:52.460 --> 00:02:53.780 - You're four favorite. 00:02:53.780 --> 00:02:57.580 - By said, first of all, that's the answer. 00:02:57.580 --> 00:02:58.419 - It's the answer. 00:02:58.419 --> 00:02:59.259 - It's the answer. 00:02:59.259 --> 00:03:00.860 - By a textur, what do you think is the best? 00:03:00.860 --> 00:03:01.699 ZD? 00:03:01.699 --> 00:03:02.939 - No, I was just messing up your face. 00:03:02.939 --> 00:03:04.219 - ZD, but it's probably ID. 00:03:04.219 --> 00:03:05.060 - If you have four ID? 00:03:05.060 --> 00:03:06.740 - If some of us, ID is supposed to be. 00:03:06.740 --> 00:03:10.379 - And some of us in treatment, or in magic, or in the... 00:03:10.379 --> 00:03:12.699 - That would be like, I think in any way. 00:03:12.699 --> 00:03:14.219 - Yeah, you could just swallow, you don't have to do it. 00:03:14.219 --> 00:03:15.060 - I got shivers. 00:03:15.060 --> 00:03:15.900 - Oh, you know. 00:03:15.900 --> 00:03:17.939 ID smells pretty good if you're really hungry. 00:03:17.939 --> 00:03:18.780 - Oh, no. 00:03:18.780 --> 00:03:21.580 - The turkey one is a fish. 00:03:21.580 --> 00:03:23.060 - It does like turkey one. 00:03:23.060 --> 00:03:24.900 - I mean, it looks like some kind of mashed taters. 00:03:24.900 --> 00:03:25.900 - Okay, so that's an idea. 00:03:25.900 --> 00:03:26.740 There you go. 00:03:26.740 --> 00:03:27.979 - There's some German, it's okay. 00:03:27.979 --> 00:03:28.819 - Tasting food. 00:03:28.819 --> 00:03:29.659 - I'll jot that down. 00:03:29.659 --> 00:03:30.740 - Drop that down. 00:03:30.740 --> 00:03:31.740 - Take into consideration. 00:03:31.740 --> 00:03:34.419 - Yeah, we just have to come up with some more clever ideas. 00:03:34.419 --> 00:03:35.259 - Okay. 00:03:35.259 --> 00:03:36.099 - Okay. 00:03:36.099 --> 00:03:37.939 - A little mile was the other one. 00:03:37.939 --> 00:03:39.379 - Yeah, it just was sterical. 00:03:39.379 --> 00:03:40.500 - We don't even have a track. 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:41.340 I mean, there's still less. 00:03:41.340 --> 00:03:42.819 - We'll take you to a track. 00:03:42.819 --> 00:03:44.740 - You can run around the parking lot. 00:03:44.740 --> 00:03:46.939 (laughs)- Great, you'd better gosh this. 00:03:46.939 --> 00:03:50.939 Or she could race somebody, a dog. 00:03:50.939 --> 00:03:52.340 - You know what we should ever do. 00:03:52.340 --> 00:03:55.819 Here's a, remember that video where I had to eat stale cheeses and rice fillets? 00:03:55.819 --> 00:03:57.300 Yes, I just watched that last night. 00:03:57.300 --> 00:03:58.620 Maybe she should eat stale cheeses. 00:03:58.620 --> 00:04:00.099 That was disgusting. 00:04:00.099 --> 00:04:01.300 I'd eat off the ground. 00:04:01.300 --> 00:04:02.819 I've already had two dogs. 00:04:02.819 --> 00:04:03.659 - I already had two dogs. 00:04:03.659 --> 00:04:05.379 - You raised two dogs, there you go. 00:04:05.379 --> 00:04:06.219 Who won that? 00:04:06.219 --> 00:04:07.060 - Me. 00:04:07.060 --> 00:04:07.900 - Oh, you did. 00:04:07.900 --> 00:04:08.740 - I'd be both dogs. 00:04:08.740 --> 00:04:09.580 - I'd be both dogs. 00:04:09.580 --> 00:04:10.419 - I'd be both dogs. 00:04:10.419 --> 00:04:11.259 - I'd be both dogs. 00:04:11.259 --> 00:04:13.379 - Serious? 00:04:13.379 --> 00:04:14.219 - Serious. 00:04:14.219 --> 00:04:15.379 - Oh my gosh, that's hilarious. 00:04:15.379 --> 00:04:16.379 - Okay. 00:04:16.379 --> 00:04:17.939 - I don't know, that dog belongs to a good one. 00:04:17.939 --> 00:04:18.939 - Anyway. 00:04:18.939 --> 00:04:21.459 - Okay, before we get too much further, we need to introduce ourselves. 00:04:21.459 --> 00:04:22.740 - Oh gosh, yeah. 00:04:22.740 --> 00:04:23.740 Okay. 00:04:23.740 --> 00:04:28.339 Well, every time I say say something about yourself, it's obvious. 00:04:28.339 --> 00:04:29.180 - You don't. 00:04:29.180 --> 00:04:30.019 - You don't? 00:04:30.019 --> 00:04:30.860 - So we've all done it. 00:04:30.860 --> 00:04:32.019 - I know, well, you guys saw those don. 00:04:32.019 --> 00:04:33.420 - We never said it was don't. 00:04:33.420 --> 00:04:35.980 - Okay, so let's go first. 00:04:35.980 --> 00:04:37.379 You can set the precipit. 00:04:37.379 --> 00:04:41.420 - Okay, I'm Emily King and I'm a veterinarian. 00:04:41.420 --> 00:04:44.500 - And my favorite color is orange. 00:04:44.500 --> 00:04:46.259 - Ooh, good one. 00:04:46.259 --> 00:04:47.939 - I don't like being put on the spot. 00:04:47.939 --> 00:04:52.939 I'm Courtney and what do you do in life? 00:04:52.939 --> 00:04:57.860 - I just got back into coloring and I really like it. 00:04:57.860 --> 00:04:58.939 It makes me happy. 00:04:58.939 --> 00:05:00.379 - I meant what's your job? 00:05:00.379 --> 00:05:01.939 - Oh, I should. 00:05:01.939 --> 00:05:04.019 She's the color artist. 00:05:04.019 --> 00:05:05.019 - Him and artist. 00:05:05.019 --> 00:05:07.459 - The green books, yeah. 00:05:07.459 --> 00:05:09.139 - What do you do? 00:05:09.139 --> 00:05:09.980 - Your color. 00:05:09.980 --> 00:05:10.980 - Oh, no. 00:05:10.980 --> 00:05:12.980 - You're a vet tech. 00:05:12.980 --> 00:05:16.060 - Oh!(laughing)- I'm the same. 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:17.779 - Check out my animals as well. 00:05:17.779 --> 00:05:19.019 - There we go, there we go. 00:05:19.019 --> 00:05:20.019 We're getting there. 00:05:20.019 --> 00:05:20.860 - Whew. 00:05:20.860 --> 00:05:25.620 - I'm Devin, I'm a vet assistant. 00:05:25.620 --> 00:05:28.019 And in training, Technician. 00:05:28.019 --> 00:05:28.860 - Yes. 00:05:28.860 --> 00:05:29.699 - And school. 00:05:29.699 --> 00:05:30.540 - Second training. 00:05:30.540 --> 00:05:33.660 - I finally did my farm final last night. 00:05:33.660 --> 00:05:34.819 - Ooh, how the go. 00:05:34.819 --> 00:05:37.939 - It was proctors, like they were watching me and listening to me. 00:05:37.939 --> 00:05:38.779 - Really? 00:05:38.779 --> 00:05:39.899 - And it went pretty well. 00:05:39.899 --> 00:05:43.379 I don't have my grade back yet,'cause it was all for your response, but I feel pretty good about it now. 00:05:43.379 --> 00:05:45.939 - So they just asked you questions and you had to respond. 00:05:45.939 --> 00:05:46.779 It wasn't writing. 00:05:46.779 --> 00:05:49.300 - No, like it was writing on the computer. 00:05:49.300 --> 00:05:51.540 Like it was a question I had to type my answer. 00:05:51.540 --> 00:05:57.100 There was some math, but I feel like they watch you to make sure I'm not using notes. 00:05:57.100 --> 00:06:01.699 - Do they go into your computer screen and like you can see what my screen's doing? 00:06:01.699 --> 00:06:03.100 - So they weren't physically watching you. 00:06:03.100 --> 00:06:09.660 They were just like, "Okay, I get it."- No, there's a camera on me, and their screen recording my screen and my microphones on. 00:06:09.660 --> 00:06:13.620 - Oh, that sounds really like--- Very daunting, yeah. 00:06:13.620 --> 00:06:14.459 - There was a timer. 00:06:14.459 --> 00:06:16.819 - I'd rather just go to a building and do written down stuff. 00:06:16.819 --> 00:06:19.180 - I know, there was that option, but it took four weeks to set up. 00:06:19.180 --> 00:06:20.379 So, she's gonna-- - Oh, yeah. 00:06:20.379 --> 00:06:21.379 - Yeah, no, no. 00:06:21.379 --> 00:06:22.579 - I feel pretty confident about it. 00:06:22.579 --> 00:06:23.980 - Good job. - I'm gonna let you go. 00:06:23.980 --> 00:06:24.819 - Yes. 00:06:24.819 --> 00:06:27.180 - So is the hardest question you got asked. 00:06:27.180 --> 00:06:30.899 - There is a question. 00:06:30.899 --> 00:06:40.379 Okay, this is gonna sound bad, but there was a question that asked me to name the four fat soluble vitamins that like I kind of remember learning, but completely forget. 00:06:40.379 --> 00:06:42.860 So I guess--- I'm not gonna say that, I remember those. 00:06:42.860 --> 00:06:54.699 - Okay, so I guess I said vitamin A, B, E, and K, I'm like giving people answers, and then I looked it up after and it's A, D, E, and K, so I got three out of the four. 00:06:54.699 --> 00:06:57.500 - Nice job. - So, okay, way to go. 00:06:57.500 --> 00:06:58.339 - It's a little better. 00:06:58.339 --> 00:07:00.660 - I wouldn't like-- - No, literally. 00:07:00.660 --> 00:07:02.379 - On the camera, they could see me going. 00:07:02.379 --> 00:07:06.259 (laughing) Yeah, but I feel good about it, so. 00:07:06.259 --> 00:07:07.579 - That's terrific, that's great. 00:07:07.579 --> 00:07:09.379 Good job. - Next is my extension. 00:07:09.379 --> 00:07:10.379 - I think we start my paperwork. 00:07:10.379 --> 00:07:11.740 - You're not going, are you? - No. 00:07:11.740 --> 00:07:12.920 - Okay, no. - No. 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:14.459 - Extrasion here. - No, wow. 00:07:14.459 --> 00:07:16.300 - Okay, for sure. - For sure. 00:07:16.300 --> 00:07:31.180 Okay, I'm Dr. Ashland Duckwall, I'm a veterinarian, and I had to run outside with wet hair and my jammies because my barn cat got out of the barn last night, and I saw on our camera, and I was like, ah!- How'd she get out? 00:07:31.180 --> 00:07:36.139 - She jumped, she jumped the horse tall gate and then got out the doll, the stall door. 00:07:36.139 --> 00:07:38.540 - Yeah, listen to me. 00:07:38.540 --> 00:07:40.379 And then I was like, it's okay, get in here. 00:07:40.379 --> 00:07:46.139 She's trotting away from me, and then in the way she came out and I'm like, it's okay, she's coming the front door. 00:07:46.139 --> 00:07:48.620 (laughing)- I don't know about it. 00:07:48.620 --> 00:07:50.420 - Why did you want her in at night just because? 00:07:50.420 --> 00:07:52.620 - I love her, she's so sweet. 00:07:52.620 --> 00:07:54.100 - This is the one who loves the rabbit. 00:07:54.100 --> 00:07:54.939 - She loves it. 00:07:54.939 --> 00:07:56.139 - She's a soul barn cat. 00:07:56.139 --> 00:07:58.060 - Oh, she just stays in the barn. 00:07:58.060 --> 00:07:59.420 - She never goes out of the barn? 00:07:59.420 --> 00:08:00.339 - Negative. 00:08:00.339 --> 00:08:02.579 But they also have a massive barn. 00:08:02.579 --> 00:08:05.860 - I know they have a massive barn, but like, she doesn't ever know. 00:08:05.860 --> 00:08:09.459 - She doesn't want to go out and like,- She's curious, but she's also content. 00:08:09.459 --> 00:08:12.379 - She's happy, she has her rabbit friend. 00:08:12.379 --> 00:08:13.699 - She just wants her to stay safe. 00:08:13.699 --> 00:08:15.060 - She loves her rabbit. 00:08:15.060 --> 00:08:16.259 - She's so sweet. 00:08:16.259 --> 00:08:18.019 - She is sweet, so sweet. 00:08:18.019 --> 00:08:19.819 - That's good, she came right back. 00:08:19.819 --> 00:08:22.100 - Yeah, do you remember what her foster name was? 00:08:22.100 --> 00:08:24.579 - Muppet. 00:08:24.579 --> 00:08:26.259 (laughing)- That's a funny name. 00:08:26.259 --> 00:08:27.100 - Yes. 00:08:27.100 --> 00:08:28.300 - That was her foster name. 00:08:28.300 --> 00:08:29.139 - She's cute. 00:08:29.139 --> 00:08:31.740 - Okay, let's go to Icebreaker, shall we? 00:08:31.740 --> 00:08:32.779 - Let's do it. 00:08:32.779 --> 00:08:36.340 - What conspiracy theory do you secretly believe? 00:08:37.179 --> 00:08:38.779 - I believe is the word. 00:08:38.779 --> 00:08:40.299 - Oh gosh. 00:08:40.299 --> 00:08:41.139 - Oh. 00:08:41.139 --> 00:08:42.299 - Holy cow. 00:08:42.299 --> 00:08:44.860 - I really can't believe anything is a whole other challenge. 00:08:44.860 --> 00:08:45.980 - Let's just change it. 00:08:45.980 --> 00:08:49.059 - Let's just say,- Okay, what is the conspiracy theory you'd like to talk about? 00:08:49.059 --> 00:08:50.220 - Okay. 00:08:50.220 --> 00:08:54.220 Okay, yeah, because like, let's just preface this with, I'm not sure I believe these. 00:08:54.220 --> 00:08:55.460 - Yeah, yeah. 00:08:55.460 --> 00:08:56.620 They're just fun to talk about. 00:08:56.620 --> 00:08:57.460 - They're just fun to talk about. 00:08:57.460 --> 00:08:59.539 - And funny, sometimes. 00:08:59.539 --> 00:09:01.019 Okay, let's go first. 00:09:01.019 --> 00:09:02.980 I think Cori wants to go first, because she's stressed on us. 00:09:02.980 --> 00:09:03.820 - Yeah, I'm not saying. 00:09:03.820 --> 00:09:06.059 - Yes, Cori, you go first. 00:09:06.059 --> 00:09:07.820 - But we did not land on the moon. 00:09:07.820 --> 00:09:09.299 - Ooh, that is a popular one. 00:09:09.299 --> 00:09:11.340 - So that's your claim. 00:09:11.340 --> 00:09:12.659 - That's the conspiracy theory. 00:09:12.659 --> 00:09:14.580 - I kind of actually do believe it. 00:09:14.580 --> 00:09:15.820 - Did we never land on the moon? 00:09:15.820 --> 00:09:17.419 - Yeah. 00:09:17.419 --> 00:09:19.059 Why haven't we been back? 00:09:19.059 --> 00:09:22.059 Do you know how amazing the technology is now compared to when it we did go? 00:09:22.059 --> 00:09:23.820 - It doesn't serve any purpose to go back. 00:09:23.820 --> 00:09:26.500 - Well, am I, our flag's already there. 00:09:26.500 --> 00:09:27.620 Is it an easy in the picture? 00:09:27.620 --> 00:09:28.460 - Is it there? 00:09:28.460 --> 00:09:30.659 (laughing) Is the flag actually there? 00:09:30.659 --> 00:09:33.659 - I don't know, I just--- We gotta replace the flag. 00:09:33.659 --> 00:09:35.340 - Why haven't we,- Is it in the universe? 00:09:35.340 --> 00:09:37.419 - Is anybody watched the show on Apple Man? 00:09:37.419 --> 00:09:38.419 - No, it says. 00:09:38.419 --> 00:09:39.940 - Yes, for all mankind. 00:09:39.940 --> 00:09:42.460 The season finale is tomorrow. 00:09:42.460 --> 00:09:43.299 Tomorrow. 00:09:43.299 --> 00:09:44.980 - Okay, I watched season four. 00:09:44.980 --> 00:09:45.820 - It's great. 00:09:45.820 --> 00:09:46.659 - What is it? 00:09:46.659 --> 00:09:47.500 - Season four has been really good. 00:09:47.500 --> 00:09:55.500 - Well, for all mankind, it's like about how like is if, it's kind of like, they set up fake history, but there's historical stuff in it, but then there's fake history. 00:09:55.500 --> 00:09:58.179 So like, as if they kept going to the moon. 00:09:58.179 --> 00:09:59.019 - Mm. 00:09:59.019 --> 00:10:00.139 - So like what would have happened? 00:10:00.139 --> 00:10:00.980 - And Mars. 00:10:00.980 --> 00:10:02.580 - Yeah. 00:10:02.580 --> 00:10:03.860 - Yeah, that's what anyway. 00:10:03.860 --> 00:10:06.980 So you don't, you genuinely don't believe that we went to the moon. 00:10:06.980 --> 00:10:08.460 - Kind of kind of not. 00:10:08.460 --> 00:10:11.740 - Like you know better but it's still intriguing to think that we probably didn't go to the moon. 00:10:11.740 --> 00:10:12.580 - Yep. 00:10:12.580 --> 00:10:13.419 - Got you. 00:10:13.419 --> 00:10:14.259 - I think we went. 00:10:14.259 --> 00:10:17.179 - Yeah. - And confident. 00:10:17.179 --> 00:10:18.500 - No confident, okay. 00:10:18.500 --> 00:10:21.460 You know how I'm an opinion? 00:10:21.460 --> 00:10:23.139 - I think we, I just haven't thought about it. 00:10:23.139 --> 00:10:25.059 - Yeah. - I just assume we went. 00:10:25.059 --> 00:10:26.100 - Yep, me too. 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:28.899 - Okay, I really just don't think about it. 00:10:28.899 --> 00:10:30.340 - I didn't until I just read it. 00:10:30.340 --> 00:10:33.539 (laughing)- Okay. 00:10:33.539 --> 00:10:34.379 - I don't know. 00:10:34.379 --> 00:10:35.539 - Aliens. 00:10:35.539 --> 00:10:38.539 (laughing)- Just, just aliens. 00:10:38.539 --> 00:10:39.379 - Do they, do they exist? 00:10:39.379 --> 00:10:40.860 - Aliens, what do you think about them? 00:10:40.860 --> 00:10:41.860 - Mm. 00:10:41.860 --> 00:10:43.019 - I think they exist. 00:10:43.019 --> 00:10:49.139 Maybe not like as prominent on earth as people. 00:10:49.139 --> 00:10:49.980 - Yeah. 00:10:49.980 --> 00:10:51.500 - Kind of make them out to be. 00:10:51.500 --> 00:10:53.179 I don't know about the whole area 51. 00:10:53.179 --> 00:10:57.019 Like them doing procedures on aliens there but definitely believe in them. 00:10:57.019 --> 00:10:58.940 - I mean, in the universe. 00:10:58.940 --> 00:11:01.100 - You're so large. 00:11:01.100 --> 00:11:01.940 - I just think. 00:11:01.940 --> 00:11:02.779 - It's overwhelming. 00:11:02.779 --> 00:11:03.620 - Yeah. 00:11:03.620 --> 00:11:06.620 - That it's reasonable to think there's other life out there. 00:11:06.620 --> 00:11:07.779 - Yep. 00:11:07.779 --> 00:11:09.620 Probably so. 00:11:09.620 --> 00:11:10.940 I don't know. 00:11:10.940 --> 00:11:11.940 It's so hard to know. 00:11:11.940 --> 00:11:12.779 - I know. 00:11:12.779 --> 00:11:13.620 - Yes. 00:11:13.620 --> 00:11:15.860 - You never know, you never get all of the information. 00:11:15.860 --> 00:11:16.860 - No. 00:11:16.860 --> 00:11:20.940 - So someone knows, which are not telling us. 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:22.500 - We're aliens to them. 00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:23.500 - This is true. 00:11:23.500 --> 00:11:24.820 - Mm-hmm. 00:11:24.820 --> 00:11:25.659 - Yep. 00:11:25.659 --> 00:11:26.820 - Okay. 00:11:26.820 --> 00:11:27.659 - Okay. 00:11:27.659 --> 00:11:28.500 - Good job. 00:11:28.500 --> 00:11:29.340 - Cool. 00:11:29.340 --> 00:11:30.340 - Aliens is, yeah. 00:11:30.340 --> 00:11:31.340 Oh boy. 00:11:31.340 --> 00:11:32.340 - Got me got that. 00:11:32.340 --> 00:11:33.340 - Yeah. 00:11:33.340 --> 00:11:34.340 - Yeah. 00:11:34.340 --> 00:11:35.340 - Yeah. 00:11:35.340 --> 00:11:36.340 - Where is stuff that happens in this guy? 00:11:36.340 --> 00:11:37.340 - Yeah. 00:11:37.340 --> 00:11:40.340 - It's like people swear by the D-R-U-F-O. 00:11:40.340 --> 00:11:43.899 - Did you guys see the Starlink in this guy a few weeks ago? 00:11:43.899 --> 00:11:44.899 - No. 00:11:44.899 --> 00:11:45.899 - Maybe like a couple months ago. 00:11:45.899 --> 00:11:51.740 I think like Elon Musk launched a new Starlink thing and in this guy, there was a line of dots. 00:11:51.740 --> 00:11:52.740 - I heard about that. 00:11:52.740 --> 00:11:54.980 - Colorful dots, the people thought were UFO things. 00:11:54.980 --> 00:11:55.980 - And they were really Starlink. 00:11:55.980 --> 00:11:57.620 - It was just the, just Elon Musk. 00:11:57.620 --> 00:11:59.820 - Just him, just Elon Musk doing his thing. 00:11:59.820 --> 00:12:00.820 - Yeah. 00:12:00.820 --> 00:12:01.820 - It was crazy. 00:12:01.820 --> 00:12:02.820 - That's amazing. 00:12:02.820 --> 00:12:03.820 - Yeah. 00:12:03.820 --> 00:12:05.659 - Then I never know those pictures are real. 00:12:05.659 --> 00:12:09.580 You know, it's like is it edited to start some- Is the flag actually on the moon? 00:12:09.580 --> 00:12:12.059 - Well, I only know it's real because my neighbor should have a picture he took. 00:12:12.059 --> 00:12:13.059 - Yeah. 00:12:13.059 --> 00:12:14.059 - Is it photoshop? 00:12:14.059 --> 00:12:20.379 - Well now though, that stuff, you can put people in places that you didn't, you know. 00:12:20.379 --> 00:12:21.379 So like, it's really cool. 00:12:21.379 --> 00:12:22.379 - You know what I think is too much? 00:12:22.379 --> 00:12:23.379 AI. 00:12:23.379 --> 00:12:25.379 - Yeah, it's really taking over the world. 00:12:25.379 --> 00:12:26.379 That's too much. 00:12:26.379 --> 00:12:27.379 - Yeah. 00:12:27.379 --> 00:12:28.379 - They're doing too much of that. 00:12:28.379 --> 00:12:29.379 - Yeah. 00:12:29.379 --> 00:12:33.460 - Okay, mine is that birds are cameras from the government. 00:12:33.460 --> 00:12:34.460 - Watching us. 00:12:34.460 --> 00:12:37.460 (laughing)- Wrong. 00:12:37.460 --> 00:12:39.620 - I think birds are real. 00:12:39.620 --> 00:12:40.460 - Okay. 00:12:40.460 --> 00:12:41.460 - I think it's a real animal. 00:12:41.460 --> 00:12:47.659 - I'm sure that the government has made some robotic birds that are actually cameras, but I think all birds are cameras. 00:12:47.659 --> 00:12:49.500 - Maybe some of them are like a flock. 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:50.500 - Or they train a bird to carry a camera. 00:12:50.500 --> 00:12:52.059 - Like in important areas, I'm sure it's just. 00:12:52.059 --> 00:12:53.539 - They have a bird today. 00:12:53.539 --> 00:12:55.299 - Why do they need a bird? 00:12:55.299 --> 00:12:56.539 They wash us through our phones. 00:12:56.539 --> 00:12:57.379 - Yeah. 00:12:57.379 --> 00:12:58.379 - Yeah. 00:12:58.379 --> 00:12:59.379 - Yeah. 00:12:59.379 --> 00:13:00.379 - Birds no longer needed. 00:13:00.379 --> 00:13:02.379 (laughing)- Word vans. 00:13:02.379 --> 00:13:05.259 - Word vans, that's right. 00:13:05.259 --> 00:13:16.299 Mine is that I heard from one of the doctors I won't say in the office that someone in her family still believes that the earth is flat. 00:13:16.299 --> 00:13:17.779 That is not really round. 00:13:17.779 --> 00:13:18.779 - Hmm. 00:13:18.779 --> 00:13:19.779 - Hmm. 00:13:19.779 --> 00:13:20.779 - Okay. 00:13:20.779 --> 00:13:21.779 - So. 00:13:21.779 --> 00:13:22.779 - What's your opinion on that? 00:13:22.779 --> 00:13:25.139 - And it's called something. 00:13:25.139 --> 00:13:26.460 I think the earth is round. 00:13:26.460 --> 00:13:28.259 - I don't agree with that. 00:13:28.259 --> 00:13:32.419 - But some people say, nope, that is not true. 00:13:32.419 --> 00:13:33.860 - What do they think it's flat? 00:13:33.860 --> 00:13:35.860 - I don't know, 'cause I'm not one of those people. 00:13:35.860 --> 00:13:38.139 - Yeah, they have some pretty good reasons. 00:13:38.139 --> 00:13:40.340 I mean, I know the earth is round, but. 00:13:40.340 --> 00:13:42.860 Why do they think it's flat? 00:13:42.860 --> 00:13:44.379 - I don't know the mock top of my head. 00:13:44.379 --> 00:13:45.220 - Oh. 00:13:45.220 --> 00:13:46.379 - But. 00:13:46.379 --> 00:13:47.220 - Interesting. 00:13:47.220 --> 00:13:48.220 - Or like. 00:13:48.220 --> 00:13:50.980 - But I think here is what are the people called to believe the earth are flat? 00:13:50.980 --> 00:13:52.860 - Flat earthers. 00:13:52.860 --> 00:13:54.539 (laughing)- That was really beautiful. 00:13:54.539 --> 00:13:55.539 - So technical, that is the name of it. 00:13:55.539 --> 00:13:56.379 - Yes, it was. 00:13:56.379 --> 00:13:57.220 - I knew it was something. 00:13:57.220 --> 00:13:58.059 - Or round earthers. 00:13:58.059 --> 00:13:59.740 (laughing)- Yes. 00:13:59.740 --> 00:14:01.059 - And so there's a lot of them. 00:14:01.059 --> 00:14:01.899 - Yeah. 00:14:01.899 --> 00:14:08.100 - People think that there's a diagram and it's just like the earth flat and then it's just like a core basically. 00:14:08.100 --> 00:14:08.940 I don't know. 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:09.940 I don't know how to describe it. 00:14:09.940 --> 00:14:10.779 But it's weird. 00:14:10.779 --> 00:14:11.620 - I don't get any of it. 00:14:11.620 --> 00:14:12.940 We should look at what they say now. 00:14:12.940 --> 00:14:14.259 - How, I just, I don't get it. 00:14:14.259 --> 00:14:15.340 - We don't fall off the edge. 00:14:15.340 --> 00:14:16.340 - The right, yeah. 00:14:16.340 --> 00:14:17.179 Where's the edge? 00:14:17.179 --> 00:14:18.379 - Right, isn't that what they used to think? 00:14:18.379 --> 00:14:23.779 The people that were sailing the seas back when they didn't know where all the countries were and they were sailing from like clumsies fall off. 00:14:23.779 --> 00:14:24.620 - They would fall off. 00:14:24.620 --> 00:14:25.460 - They'd fall off. 00:14:25.460 --> 00:14:30.259 You can't go any further because you know, the, as far as your eye, they just kept going and going and going. 00:14:30.259 --> 00:14:31.100 - I don't get it. 00:14:31.100 --> 00:14:32.419 - I don't know, look up reasons. 00:14:32.419 --> 00:14:33.259 - Yeah. 00:14:33.259 --> 00:14:35.059 - Just all things I just don't worry about. 00:14:35.059 --> 00:14:35.899 - Yeah. 00:14:35.899 --> 00:14:36.740 - I know. 00:14:36.740 --> 00:14:37.779 - I mean, either. 00:14:37.779 --> 00:14:39.299 - We have enough going on. 00:14:39.299 --> 00:14:40.139 - Yes, we do. 00:14:40.139 --> 00:14:42.220 - Okay, but it's a good topic to just play around. 00:14:42.220 --> 00:14:43.860 - Are you gonna change anything? 00:14:43.860 --> 00:14:45.899 - All right, do you believe in ghosts, Devon? 00:14:45.899 --> 00:14:46.740 - Why? 00:14:46.740 --> 00:14:47.580 - Yes. 00:14:47.580 --> 00:14:48.740 - Have you had any spooky experiences? 00:14:48.740 --> 00:14:49.740 - No, I've not had a good experience. 00:14:49.740 --> 00:14:50.580 - Oh, yes. 00:14:50.580 --> 00:14:51.899 - You have? 00:14:51.899 --> 00:14:52.740 - What? 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:54.820 - So it's gonna sound really stupid and cliche. 00:14:54.820 --> 00:14:56.659 But it happened. 00:14:56.659 --> 00:14:58.700 (laughing)- Sounds like a story story. 00:14:58.700 --> 00:14:59.539 - Are you okay? 00:14:59.539 --> 00:15:07.220 (laughing)- So my uncles, neighbor, they don't live in this house anymore, but they did. 00:15:07.220 --> 00:15:11.340 I babysat their little girl and two things happened. 00:15:11.340 --> 00:15:17.659 So this first one is really stupid, but the garage was closed and the rake's on the wall kept moving. 00:15:17.659 --> 00:15:21.820 (laughing) Like the rake's hanging like wind, but everything was closed. 00:15:21.820 --> 00:15:22.659 - Oh, that's right. 00:15:22.659 --> 00:15:23.500 - And the second thing. 00:15:23.500 --> 00:15:24.340 - And the second thing. 00:15:24.340 --> 00:15:28.659 (laughing)- And then the second thing that happened is we were down in the basement. 00:15:28.659 --> 00:15:30.460 I should probably preface. 00:15:30.460 --> 00:15:40.059 Before they moved into their house, someone had committed bad things to themselves in their basement. 00:15:40.059 --> 00:15:51.220 And so in the basement, me and the daughter were just playing something and she stops, like dead in her tracks and just stared at a corner and said there was someone there. 00:15:51.220 --> 00:15:52.539 - Oh, weird. 00:15:52.539 --> 00:15:54.019 - I just thought it just got goosebumps. 00:15:54.019 --> 00:15:57.659 - Like it happened and I was like, okay, I don't like that at all. 00:15:57.659 --> 00:15:59.220 - I would leave the house. 00:15:59.220 --> 00:16:05.299 - Yeah, they happened on different days, but it was still like, I never would have gone back after the first instance. 00:16:05.299 --> 00:16:06.299 - Yeah. 00:16:06.299 --> 00:16:07.139 - Yeah, I would. 00:16:07.139 --> 00:16:07.980 - It was my car. 00:16:07.980 --> 00:16:09.019 - It was very unsettling. 00:16:09.019 --> 00:16:11.860 - Who is the girl? 00:16:11.860 --> 00:16:16.860 - She was like four, I think at the time, four or five, how old were you? 00:16:16.860 --> 00:16:20.179 - 13. 00:16:20.179 --> 00:16:21.419 - Oh my God. 00:16:21.419 --> 00:16:22.740 - Yeah. 00:16:22.740 --> 00:16:23.740 - Yeah. 00:16:23.740 --> 00:16:24.580 - That's it. 00:16:24.580 --> 00:16:26.259 I was gonna say, and Harrison knows the play of the story. 00:16:26.259 --> 00:16:31.460 I'm gonna tell him about this, but he was like three and my grandfather had died. 00:16:31.460 --> 00:16:32.700 My grandmother had died. 00:16:32.700 --> 00:16:46.299 And we were out of town and at a conference, veterinary conference, and my parents were watching him, so my parents went back to my grandmother's house, where all my dad's siblings were gathering, and they had Harrison with them. 00:16:46.299 --> 00:16:56.379 So they were all gathering at my grandmother's house and they were outside the door and they opened the door and Harrison said, there are ghosts in here. 00:16:56.379 --> 00:17:02.580 And my mom and dad were like, well, grandma just died, you know, to the done. 00:17:02.580 --> 00:17:06.500 He was like, no, there's someone sitting in the rocking chair or whatever. 00:17:06.500 --> 00:17:10.700 It was really, because he was three, it's not anything on his radar. 00:17:10.700 --> 00:17:12.019 - No, it was the same instance with the girl. 00:17:12.019 --> 00:17:14.140 - Why would they make something like that? 00:17:14.140 --> 00:17:17.819 - I feel like they always, like kids don't make tourists for picking on young children. 00:17:17.819 --> 00:17:19.380 - Well, I don't think that they're picking on them. 00:17:19.380 --> 00:17:21.140 I think that they're picking them out. 00:17:21.140 --> 00:17:22.259 - Because they're more open. 00:17:22.259 --> 00:17:27.700 They don't have like, they're not like, close off like the biases are close off like the idea. 00:17:27.700 --> 00:17:30.700 So they're more open to that being a possibility. 00:17:30.700 --> 00:17:31.539 - Wow. 00:17:31.539 --> 00:17:32.859 - And so it was really, I thought it was really cool. 00:17:32.859 --> 00:17:33.700 I was like, no, no. 00:17:33.700 --> 00:17:35.059 - Nightmares to see my grandpa. 00:17:35.059 --> 00:17:37.619 He was sitting in the rocking chair waiting for my grandma. 00:17:37.619 --> 00:17:38.460 - Oh. 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:41.740 - So yeah, it was really, I think it was just really interesting. 00:17:41.740 --> 00:17:45.259 - I believe in spiritual warfare and angels and demons and stuff. 00:17:45.259 --> 00:17:50.539 Like, there's that going around us and happening and fighting and stuff. 00:17:50.539 --> 00:17:54.299 So I guess if you consider that ghost, then sure. 00:17:54.299 --> 00:17:55.619 - I'm gonna say yeah. 00:17:55.619 --> 00:18:04.380 - But yeah, like, I feel like you can sometimes feel presence of good and bad and. 00:18:04.380 --> 00:18:07.180 - Yeah, when common goes,- When common goes, just like spirits. 00:18:07.180 --> 00:18:10.140 - I guess now that we're talking about it, my sister had an experience. 00:18:10.140 --> 00:18:17.740 We, or her cat, had passed away and then she claimed that she felt like a cat rubbing on her while she was sleeping. 00:18:17.740 --> 00:18:24.420 - Oh, speaking of that, Amber has seen cats in the hallways here before when she stayed overnight. 00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:25.259 What? 00:18:25.259 --> 00:18:27.579 Like walking through the hallways. 00:18:27.579 --> 00:18:28.859 - This is too much for me. 00:18:28.859 --> 00:18:32.740 (laughing)- Well, how can I not cannot stay in the hallways? 00:18:32.740 --> 00:18:35.740 - How many cats are probably stuck here in animals? 00:18:35.740 --> 00:18:41.059 Like, you know, in Amber has seen a cat multiple times, same cat on the same night. 00:18:41.059 --> 00:18:42.339 Seeing them walk in the hallway by. 00:18:42.339 --> 00:18:43.180 - Oh my god. 00:18:43.180 --> 00:18:45.099 - I am Terry Hindenburg's office. 00:18:45.099 --> 00:18:45.940 - Yeah. 00:18:45.940 --> 00:18:48.180 (laughing)- I don't know what? 00:18:48.180 --> 00:18:52.019 (laughing)- I don't know what. 00:18:52.019 --> 00:18:55.019 - Because she feels the cat's spirits are out there. 00:18:55.019 --> 00:18:58.259 (laughing)- I mean, this stuff can get really creepy. 00:18:58.259 --> 00:18:59.099 - Okay, I'm done now. 00:18:59.099 --> 00:18:59.940 - Sorry, sorry. 00:18:59.940 --> 00:19:01.259 - Okay, I know. 00:19:01.259 --> 00:19:04.019 - It's my cat a crying, it's fine. 00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:05.859 - Don't stay here by yourself. 00:19:05.859 --> 00:19:08.740 - She's never gonna be able to do technician treatments at night now, girl. 00:19:08.740 --> 00:19:10.299 - Great, it's a good job, Courtney. 00:19:10.299 --> 00:19:12.180 - It gets really intense, so I get it. 00:19:12.180 --> 00:19:14.579 - But I think those are the happy cats. 00:19:14.579 --> 00:19:16.180 Those cats are happy. 00:19:16.180 --> 00:19:17.019 - I like to be here. 00:19:17.019 --> 00:19:17.859 - Yeah. 00:19:17.859 --> 00:19:19.019 - They feel happy when they were here. 00:19:19.019 --> 00:19:20.099 - They stay here for a reason. 00:19:20.099 --> 00:19:21.180 - By chance, what? 00:19:21.180 --> 00:19:23.339 (laughing)- This is her. 00:19:23.339 --> 00:19:24.660 - The while you made the question. 00:19:24.660 --> 00:19:25.980 - Oh god. 00:19:25.980 --> 00:19:28.059 (laughing)- Oh my god. 00:19:28.059 --> 00:19:29.259 - All right, we better move on. 00:19:29.259 --> 00:19:31.059 - Yeah, let's case collections. 00:19:31.059 --> 00:19:31.900 - I'm okay. 00:19:31.900 --> 00:19:32.740 - She's good, she's good. 00:19:32.740 --> 00:19:33.900 Does someone have water for her? 00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:34.740 Okay. 00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:35.579 - It's fine. 00:19:35.579 --> 00:19:36.420 - I'm getting water. 00:19:36.420 --> 00:19:37.660 - Can you get tissue and water? 00:19:37.660 --> 00:19:39.460 - When he tissue, he has really water. 00:19:39.460 --> 00:19:40.299 - Come on. 00:19:40.299 --> 00:19:41.140 - Mayday, mayday. 00:19:41.140 --> 00:19:43.700 (laughing) Hit the button. 00:19:43.700 --> 00:19:45.539 - Somebody, press pause. 00:19:45.539 --> 00:19:46.380 - Press pause. 00:19:46.380 --> 00:19:48.859 - Oh my god, I'm so sorry. 00:19:48.859 --> 00:19:50.619 - I mean, oh gosh. 00:19:50.619 --> 00:19:51.460 - What's going on? 00:19:51.460 --> 00:19:52.299 - Something happy. 00:19:52.299 --> 00:19:53.140 - You know what though? 00:19:53.140 --> 00:19:54.700 I've gotta go back to this for just a second. 00:19:54.700 --> 00:20:01.140 - Stop!- I have to, I never even thought about that as a place where... 00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:02.299 - You have to stuck here. 00:20:02.299 --> 00:20:03.460 - Right. 00:20:03.460 --> 00:20:07.019 Or maybe they just, like I said, I don't know if they feel like they're stuck here. 00:20:07.019 --> 00:20:12.259 Maybe they genuinely are here supporting everybody else that's here. 00:20:12.259 --> 00:20:13.900 - Yep, yeah. 00:20:13.900 --> 00:20:15.180 - That's what I'm going with. 00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:16.019 - Yeah. 00:20:16.019 --> 00:20:17.940 - Speaking of angels, they're all over the place here. 00:20:17.940 --> 00:20:18.779 - Yeah. 00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:19.619 - Yeah. 00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:20.460 - Oh my gosh. 00:20:20.460 --> 00:20:21.299 Now, that's what I was gonna say. 00:20:21.299 --> 00:20:22.779 It's just angels and... 00:20:22.779 --> 00:20:23.619 - Yes. 00:20:23.619 --> 00:20:24.619 - People watching, yeah. 00:20:24.619 --> 00:20:26.140 - People, animals watching over us. 00:20:26.140 --> 00:20:26.980 - Yeah. 00:20:26.980 --> 00:20:27.819 - They're there to protect us. 00:20:27.819 --> 00:20:28.660 - Yeah. 00:20:28.660 --> 00:20:29.500 - If the bad ones come around. 00:20:29.500 --> 00:20:30.339 - Yep. 00:20:30.339 --> 00:20:31.180 - Yeah. 00:20:31.180 --> 00:20:32.019 - It's amazing. 00:20:32.019 --> 00:20:33.500 Okay, case collections. 00:20:33.500 --> 00:20:34.339 On your case collections. 00:20:34.339 --> 00:20:35.180 - Okay, okay, okay. 00:20:35.180 --> 00:20:36.420 - You go first. 00:20:36.420 --> 00:20:37.420 - Well, I'll go first. 00:20:37.420 --> 00:20:38.420 - I'll go first. 00:20:38.420 --> 00:20:39.420 - Do you want me to go first? 00:20:39.420 --> 00:20:40.420 - No, I'll just get the saddle. 00:20:40.420 --> 00:20:42.420 You go first because then the camera will be on you while I demo. 00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:45.500 - Okay. 00:20:45.500 --> 00:20:47.819 - Genius logic, good job, genius. 00:20:47.819 --> 00:21:01.299 - Okay, so my case is a 10 month old male-nuder, domestic short and hair cat who presented for not eating great and just doesn't seem like his self. 00:21:01.299 --> 00:21:11.339 And he is breathing faster than he should normally breathe and maybe a little more raspy than when he should normally be. 00:21:11.339 --> 00:21:13.980 And the client brought him in for those reasons. 00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:19.779 On physical exam, we looked at him and he was a young cat so you expect them to be pretty active in the room. 00:21:19.779 --> 00:21:26.140 They should be up and down and at least not sitting perfectly still on the countertop on the exam table. 00:21:26.140 --> 00:21:29.779 So I knew right off the bat when you're walking in, okay, something's not right. 00:21:29.779 --> 00:21:30.980 He's just not himself. 00:21:30.980 --> 00:21:34.180 And you know how they have that sick sitting position they sit in? 00:21:34.180 --> 00:21:36.579 You know, they always like like this sit like, you know. 00:21:36.579 --> 00:21:38.660 And so I was like, all right, this isn't good. 00:21:38.660 --> 00:21:45.259 So she told me a little bit more about kind of where she acquired him and how long she's had him. 00:21:45.259 --> 00:21:50.539 And then on physical exam, he had labored breathing which was definitely there. 00:21:50.539 --> 00:21:53.099 So he was doing a lot of up and down breathing. 00:21:53.099 --> 00:21:56.819 He was pretty well flush, but he had lost some weight. 00:21:56.819 --> 00:21:58.940 You could tell that he wasn't his normal weight. 00:21:58.940 --> 00:22:05.299 And so then we proceeded to take X-rays of him and he had a ton of plural of fusion. 00:22:05.299 --> 00:22:06.220 - Yeah. 00:22:06.220 --> 00:22:08.099 - I know, it was sad, which is. 00:22:08.980 --> 00:22:12.660 Oh, fluid in, free fluid in his chest cavity. 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:16.819 So as long as we're floating and he couldn't breathe very well, that's why he couldn't breathe very well. 00:22:16.819 --> 00:22:24.339 So he was concentrating on breathing and you know, just sitting basically trying not to overexert himself. 00:22:24.339 --> 00:22:31.140 And so we, with the technicians, tapped his chest to relieve a bunch of fluid. 00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:35.740 We got about 200 mils off of his chest to provide him some relief. 00:22:35.740 --> 00:22:41.059 But ultimately, unfortunately, there aren't great things that cause plural of fusion. 00:22:41.059 --> 00:22:44.619 Meaning that prognosis is poor no matter what the cause. 00:22:44.619 --> 00:22:52.619 We're assuming that it's FIP, which is feline infectious paratitis, which can present as a wet form with plural of fusion. 00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:59.900 But we didn't send off the fluid, but that's what we're thinking because of his age and some of his other lab findings on his workout. 00:22:59.900 --> 00:23:04.059 So he's still here right now. 00:23:04.059 --> 00:23:10.579 And the owner is just providing good quality care and loving him for as long as he can. 00:23:10.579 --> 00:23:11.420 Nice. 00:23:11.420 --> 00:23:14.819 So we don't see a ton of FIP anymore, but. 00:23:14.819 --> 00:23:21.900 If you by chance have a cat that's been diagnosed with FIP, there's that really cool Facebook group. 00:23:21.900 --> 00:23:26.140 I think it's called FIP Warriors or something along those lines. 00:23:26.140 --> 00:23:29.660 And they're like a support group for people that have cats with FIP. 00:23:29.660 --> 00:23:38.180 Because there is the new oral drug which isn't on the market for FIP, but they're using it for FIPs is unfamiliar to cool. 00:23:38.180 --> 00:23:39.900 I honestly have no idea. 00:23:39.900 --> 00:23:41.579 I can't think of the name of it off the top of my head. 00:23:41.579 --> 00:23:43.420 I know, Schmoke has had an instant. 00:23:43.420 --> 00:23:47.380 Yeah, you have to get it from Canada or someplace else. 00:23:47.380 --> 00:23:53.420 And then, and they've had some luck with treating it, but we don't have a great, it doesn't have a great prognosis. 00:23:53.420 --> 00:23:54.420 Yeah. 00:23:54.420 --> 00:23:56.619 So that's my case. 00:23:56.619 --> 00:23:57.140 Okay. 00:23:57.140 --> 00:23:57.819 It was interesting. 00:23:57.819 --> 00:23:58.420 Yeah. 00:23:58.420 --> 00:24:01.500 Especially young, such a young baby. 00:24:01.500 --> 00:24:02.500 Yeah. 00:24:02.500 --> 00:24:04.019 I was really hoping you had asthma. 00:24:04.019 --> 00:24:04.859 Yeah, right. 00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:05.700 You can treat asthma. 00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:06.700 Yeah. 00:24:06.700 --> 00:24:07.539 Mm-hmm. 00:24:07.539 --> 00:24:08.539 Okay. 00:24:08.539 --> 00:24:10.819 Well, mine is, do you want me to break up the sadness? 00:24:10.819 --> 00:24:11.660 Yes. 00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:12.500 Okay, sure. 00:24:12.500 --> 00:24:13.339 Is that okay? 00:24:13.339 --> 00:24:14.180 That's fine. 00:24:14.180 --> 00:24:15.180 We'll take a break from the sadness. 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:17.180 Okay, so that will go on a happy note. 00:24:17.180 --> 00:24:18.180 And then her. 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:19.180 Okay, great. 00:24:19.180 --> 00:24:22.299 So this is A. Jones patient. 00:24:22.299 --> 00:24:23.660 He's a long-term Jones patient. 00:24:23.660 --> 00:24:26.940 He's a little old, maltease, little guy. 00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:27.779 He's super cute. 00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:31.859 And he came in just as, he's here all the time. 00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:34.380 He came in for, I don't know what the problem was. 00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:40.059 I think it may have been just a recheck just checking up on him, seeing how he's doing recently. 00:24:40.059 --> 00:24:45.660 And they found this issue months ago, but they had to trim it this time. 00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:48.059 He had a nail on his tail. 00:24:48.059 --> 00:24:50.740 It's technically not a nail. 00:24:50.740 --> 00:24:54.420 It's just a whole, it's pretty much a keratin deposit and it just keeps building up. 00:24:54.420 --> 00:24:57.500 So then it grows like a nail, but then you just cut it. 00:24:57.500 --> 00:24:58.500 And so it doesn't bother him. 00:24:58.500 --> 00:24:59.940 It doesn't hurt him or anything like that. 00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:01.980 They just maintain it like a nail. 00:25:01.980 --> 00:25:03.980 And he just sent him on his way. 00:25:03.980 --> 00:25:04.980 Yeah. 00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:05.980 That's funny. 00:25:05.980 --> 00:25:07.980 So that's interesting is we see those on tails. 00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:09.980 They like to show up on tails. 00:25:09.980 --> 00:25:10.980 Yeah, that's weird. 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:11.980 Yeah. 00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:14.539 Usually I just feel like I always pick it if I see it. 00:25:14.539 --> 00:25:16.539 Yeah, so you can just like peel it off. 00:25:16.539 --> 00:25:17.539 Yeah. 00:25:17.539 --> 00:25:18.539 Yeah. 00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:23.339 I don't know how deep his was or how, but yeah, I'm not sure, but they just clipped it and do they blood supply? 00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:27.460 Because like I saw the video of her trimming. 00:25:27.460 --> 00:25:31.339 And like she was like, oh, that's short enough. 00:25:31.339 --> 00:25:32.339 I don't know. 00:25:32.339 --> 00:25:35.339 Not the not what's growing out away from the skin that you would cut. 00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:36.339 Not like a quick. 00:25:36.339 --> 00:25:37.339 Right. 00:25:37.339 --> 00:25:38.339 You don't have that. 00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:39.339 Yeah. 00:25:39.339 --> 00:25:40.339 No, it's not like a true nail. 00:25:40.339 --> 00:25:41.339 It's just keratin. 00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:42.339 Yeah. 00:25:42.339 --> 00:25:43.339 Yeah. 00:25:43.339 --> 00:25:44.339 Looks like a nail. 00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:45.339 It does. 00:25:45.339 --> 00:25:46.339 Yeah, it really weird. 00:25:46.339 --> 00:25:47.339 Because I can happen on pop ads too, right? 00:25:47.339 --> 00:25:48.339 That's not the opposite. 00:25:48.339 --> 00:25:51.339 Yeah, remember when I first started you were like, we can cut that off and I was like, what? 00:25:51.339 --> 00:25:53.339 I can't cut the pop out off. 00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:54.339 I was like, okay. 00:25:54.339 --> 00:26:00.619 I think on pop ads, don't they think it's related to a virus when the, when the, because I'm up here, the kids are really. 00:26:00.619 --> 00:26:01.619 The papal umphazard. 00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:06.700 No, the little keratin gross on pop ads that is related to having a virus when they're younger. 00:26:06.700 --> 00:26:08.619 Because bulldogs usually get it, but I thought it was just a bulldog. 00:26:08.619 --> 00:26:11.059 Yeah, I thought it just, I know a virus. 00:26:11.059 --> 00:26:12.059 Yeah, I didn't know that. 00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:17.019 No, I'm talking about those solitary single solitary gross that'll come out of it. 00:26:17.019 --> 00:26:20.900 I was talking about just like bulldogs when they have like, yeah, yeah. 00:26:20.900 --> 00:26:21.900 Okay. 00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:22.900 Okay. 00:26:22.900 --> 00:26:25.980 I'm talking about the carotid, umph, everywhere. 00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:26.980 Love your carotid. 00:26:26.980 --> 00:26:27.980 That was it. 00:26:27.980 --> 00:26:28.980 That's what I got in the hair. 00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:29.980 In the hair. 00:26:29.980 --> 00:26:30.980 Shall we keep going? 00:26:30.980 --> 00:26:31.980 Yes, keep going. 00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:32.980 Oh, I'm, oh, I'm, I'm happy to go. 00:26:32.980 --> 00:26:33.980 No, I'm happy to go. 00:26:33.980 --> 00:26:34.980 I'm happy to go. 00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:35.980 No, I'm happy to go. 00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:36.980 I'm happy to go. 00:26:36.980 --> 00:26:37.980 I'm happy to go. 00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:38.980 Okay. 00:26:38.980 --> 00:26:46.819 So this is um one of my best friends, dogs and she lives in Florida, but I feel like, you know, we talk about our animals all the time and I met this dog. 00:26:46.819 --> 00:26:49.380 So she's had urinary issues. 00:26:49.380 --> 00:26:55.460 She's an old English master named Demi and they've been dealing with that, dealing with UTIs. 00:26:55.460 --> 00:26:57.460 She's done everything under the sun. 00:26:57.460 --> 00:26:59.059 That's not really the case though. 00:26:59.059 --> 00:27:14.819 Unfortunately, she was just diagnosed with osteosarcoma and um, I think she's like eight or nine at this point, but she, my friend Courtney had said like they recommended euthanasia, like ASAP and I'm like thinking wonder why? 00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:17.980 Because yes, they're a pain, they're in pain. 00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:25.059 That she had been limping for a little bit at that point and um, I don't know, I usually just say, okay, we can give them a little more time, not like ASAP. 00:27:25.059 --> 00:27:27.220 We'll send me the X-ray. 00:27:27.220 --> 00:27:32.339 The ulna on her right front, I think is obliterated. 00:27:32.339 --> 00:27:35.259 Like legitimately one raw step. 00:27:35.259 --> 00:27:36.259 Yeah. 00:27:36.259 --> 00:27:37.259 And yeah, exactly. 00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:38.259 Oh my gosh. 00:27:38.259 --> 00:27:43.299 So they're so worried about pathological fracture and of course at that point, that's just not humane. 00:27:43.299 --> 00:27:56.460 And so I have the X-ray if we put it up on the thing, but yeah, I mean, we see bad osteosarcoma but it's, I feel like it's usually not to the point where like I can't find the cortex on either side of the bun. 00:27:56.460 --> 00:28:03.099 Yeah, most of the time we can like use it, give them a little bit more time on pain meds and give them that one or more time to digest the nerves, but oh, I'm sorry. 00:28:03.099 --> 00:28:06.500 So they're keeping her, her fiancee travels a lot. 00:28:06.500 --> 00:28:15.420 So they're just keeping her like really comfy, literally sleeping with her on her big bed and like making sure she doesn't get up and move around bringing food to her and all of that. 00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:17.500 And they're gonna use an eyes around Friday. 00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:18.500 But I'm sorry. 00:28:18.500 --> 00:28:22.019 Gosh, those big dogs in their bone cancer. 00:28:22.019 --> 00:28:23.779 Yeah, it's kind of, it's very sad. 00:28:23.779 --> 00:28:24.779 I don't know. 00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:26.579 She said she had lent a little bit before Christmas. 00:28:26.579 --> 00:28:30.380 They did remodeled and get better, which is why we always are coming X-ray. 00:28:30.380 --> 00:28:31.380 That is like the classic. 00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:33.220 Yeah, I think that's historical presentation. 00:28:33.220 --> 00:28:40.900 I was gonna say it's always osteo, it just like shows up and then you get whacked in the face with your dog has bone cancer and then they're, like osteosarct doesn't give you time to process. 00:28:40.900 --> 00:28:55.619 Well, it's always like they don't respond to remodeled anytime if you're a veterinary student or a veterinarian out there or whatever and you're giving dogs remodeled and they're older and they fit the breed and don't get a response because you think it's arthritis. 00:28:55.619 --> 00:28:57.220 I mean, that just doesn't happen. 00:28:57.220 --> 00:28:59.700 Yeah, they should respond to remodeled or lebrella. 00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:04.500 And when that doesn't happen, you gotta be like, hmm, we should probably look. 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:05.660 Well, and I would just imagine that. 00:29:05.660 --> 00:29:09.299 And that's why to your point, why we always recommend X-rays if you don't see it improvement. 00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:14.420 I'm sure she didn't say we didn't go into detail, but I'm sure she was so painful if the vet pal pated that line. 00:29:14.420 --> 00:29:19.140 Yeah, it would have been bone pain, which is very, very uncomfortable. 00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:20.140 Yeah, yeah. 00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:21.779 Even the nicest dog will try to bite you. 00:29:21.779 --> 00:29:23.940 Yeah, that was like who we had. 00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:24.940 Yeah, Bruno. 00:29:24.940 --> 00:29:27.660 You can keep us being managed very well, yeah. 00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:29.740 Yep, big dog, massive too. 00:29:29.740 --> 00:29:30.740 Gosh, darn. 00:29:30.740 --> 00:29:31.740 I know. 00:29:31.740 --> 00:29:32.740 osteosarct is frustrating. 00:29:32.740 --> 00:29:36.900 But I did see, I think I told you guys about it at the tick talk I saw. 00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:42.779 I remember, or a new Finland had osteosarct in the Gave a little lebrella and he's acting great. 00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:43.779 He feels better. 00:29:43.779 --> 00:29:44.779 Comfortable. 00:29:44.779 --> 00:29:47.019 I mean, he's still as cancer, obviously, but it's just to give the owner more time. 00:29:47.019 --> 00:29:49.819 And he has wanted to watch the fractures because that's what happens. 00:29:49.819 --> 00:29:50.819 Yeah. 00:29:50.819 --> 00:29:51.819 Yeah. 00:29:51.819 --> 00:29:52.819 Yep. 00:29:52.819 --> 00:29:53.819 Okay. 00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:54.819 That was mine. 00:29:54.819 --> 00:29:55.819 Okay. 00:29:55.819 --> 00:29:56.819 I'll be demy. 00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:57.819 Here I go. 00:29:57.819 --> 00:29:58.819 I have some notes. 00:29:58.819 --> 00:29:59.819 Is there a stella? 00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:00.819 Okay. 00:30:00.819 --> 00:30:01.819 Okay. 00:30:01.819 --> 00:30:02.819 Okay. 00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:03.819 Okay. 00:30:03.819 --> 00:30:07.299 I'm not sure if you're old, unneutered male and Bernie's not in dog. 00:30:07.299 --> 00:30:12.859 He just a note, he and his owners primarily reside in Florida. 00:30:12.859 --> 00:30:16.539 So they were just here visiting for the holidays, I think. 00:30:16.539 --> 00:30:17.819 But he presented for a year and a. 00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:22.940 Needing blood, straining and painful when sitting down. 00:30:22.940 --> 00:30:26.500 Upon getting more information from the owner, he wasn't licking his pre-puse. 00:30:26.500 --> 00:30:30.539 He wasn't vomiting or having diarrhea, but he was very lethargic. 00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:34.460 And he got out of the car. 00:30:34.460 --> 00:30:37.380 He was very uncomfortable and his back legs were super straight, walking weird, very uncomfortable. 00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:40.019 Got his temp, which was also uncomfortable for him. 00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:41.019 And it was 1028. 00:30:41.019 --> 00:30:45.460 It's like a low grade fever. 00:30:45.460 --> 00:30:46.460 Dr. Dudley. 00:30:46.460 --> 00:30:52.220 This is a Dr. Dudley patient and she asked the owner if he was used for breeding or whatnot. 00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:55.299 The owner said no, but he was still exposed to other dogs. 00:30:55.299 --> 00:31:00.859 And she also mentioned that she had had flu like symptoms the week prior. 00:31:00.859 --> 00:31:01.859 The owner that is. 00:31:01.859 --> 00:31:03.380 Yes, yes. 00:31:03.380 --> 00:31:09.740 And that the dog was to be neutered when they got back to Florida a few weeks later. 00:31:09.740 --> 00:31:13.420 So Dr. Dudley did some diagnostics. 00:31:13.420 --> 00:31:19.500 We did a lateral radiograph, which showed an enlarged prostate with no evidence of stones. 00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:26.339 And then she did a prostate ultrasound, which also showed enlargement, but no evidence of cysts or abscesses. 00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:33.579 And then they sent out a urine culture and a brussella PCR, which brussella is basically like a dog STD. 00:31:33.579 --> 00:31:36.819 That's my understanding of it. 00:31:36.819 --> 00:31:37.819 That's my understanding of it. 00:31:37.819 --> 00:31:38.819 Yeah, it's a bacteria. 00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:39.819 It's a bacteria. 00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:40.819 It's a bacteria. 00:31:40.819 --> 00:31:41.819 Okay. 00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:42.819 People can get it. 00:31:42.819 --> 00:31:43.819 So that's why the breeding dogs. 00:31:43.819 --> 00:31:44.819 Yes, the breeding dogs. 00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:51.259 So that's why it's important that he was not a breeding dog and that the mom was sick a week prior. 00:31:51.259 --> 00:31:57.299 The urine came back, well, okay, so we started him on enroquin, remodil and gabapentin. 00:31:57.299 --> 00:32:02.500 The urine came back negative, but Dr. Dudley suspects it was a false negative. 00:32:02.500 --> 00:32:05.740 And then the brussella PCR actually came back negative too. 00:32:05.740 --> 00:32:06.740 That's good. 00:32:06.740 --> 00:32:10.779 And when we gave them those results, they said that he was doing great. 00:32:10.779 --> 00:32:11.779 He was controlled. 00:32:11.779 --> 00:32:13.980 So they're still planning on getting him neutered. 00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:18.380 And then if his issue returns, then they're going to treat it, but no brussella. 00:32:18.380 --> 00:32:19.380 Interesting. 00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:23.259 You just go through the state, you just hoard it like it's a big deal. 00:32:23.259 --> 00:32:24.259 It's a big deal. 00:32:24.259 --> 00:32:25.259 Yeah, it's a poor little disease. 00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:26.259 Especially because it's zoononic. 00:32:26.259 --> 00:32:27.259 Yes, yeah. 00:32:27.259 --> 00:32:28.259 So fun. 00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:29.259 Yeah. 00:32:29.259 --> 00:32:36.019 And I think we had the neurology or the neurologist come talk to us in our clinic and she said that she had seen some cases. 00:32:36.019 --> 00:32:38.140 So I think that was why it was on her radar too. 00:32:38.140 --> 00:32:39.140 Yeah. 00:32:39.140 --> 00:32:40.140 Usually. 00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:42.140 Because we're dealing mostly with neutered patients. 00:32:42.140 --> 00:32:43.140 Yeah. 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:45.140 You know, bless you. 00:32:45.140 --> 00:32:52.059 And so I think the available population for us to manage, we just don't see it, right? 00:32:52.059 --> 00:32:54.980 Because we don't manage intact patients very often. 00:32:54.980 --> 00:32:55.980 Yeah. 00:32:55.980 --> 00:33:00.140 But yeah, it's definitely testicles we're hurting in this prostate. 00:33:00.140 --> 00:33:03.420 Yeah, he was uncomfortable walking like those hurt. 00:33:03.420 --> 00:33:04.420 Yeah. 00:33:04.420 --> 00:33:05.420 Yeah. 00:33:05.420 --> 00:33:06.420 Or guy. 00:33:06.420 --> 00:33:07.420 I know. 00:33:07.420 --> 00:33:08.420 Or before him. 00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:09.420 Yeah. 00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:10.420 But I'm glad he's doing better. 00:33:10.420 --> 00:33:11.420 Yeah, that's a cool case. 00:33:11.420 --> 00:33:12.420 That's a cool case. 00:33:12.420 --> 00:33:13.420 Yeah, that's interesting. 00:33:13.420 --> 00:33:14.420 Okay. 00:33:14.420 --> 00:33:15.420 Questions. 00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:16.420 Okay. 00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:17.420 What is the ugly? 00:33:17.420 --> 00:33:18.420 This is questions. 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:19.420 Here we go. 00:33:19.420 --> 00:33:20.420 Oh, I was jumping in. 00:33:20.420 --> 00:33:21.420 Oh, do it. 00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:22.420 Yeah. 00:33:22.420 --> 00:33:29.859 What is ugly truth and or make or break moment in this field that set people aside and actually making a career out of that medicine? 00:33:29.859 --> 00:33:34.460 Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, I guess I'm kind of confused. 00:33:34.460 --> 00:33:35.779 I agree. 00:33:35.779 --> 00:33:38.339 Is it like they get into it and then they don't like it? 00:33:38.339 --> 00:33:39.339 Yes. 00:33:39.339 --> 00:33:42.140 Or that pushes them out of the field or how do you become successful? 00:33:42.140 --> 00:33:43.140 Right. 00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:46.819 Or they don't pursue it because they find out money is not the best in it. 00:33:46.819 --> 00:33:47.819 Yeah. 00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:56.180 So what is the ugly truth that basically set people aside and actually making like keep them from wanting? 00:33:56.180 --> 00:33:58.579 So they try it and then they're like, yeah, yeah. 00:33:58.579 --> 00:34:05.819 Or that like they are thinking about it and then they they learn this truth and they're like, no, I feel like money is probably a big deal. 00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:09.420 If you get in it, I think mental fatigue. 00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:10.420 Yeah. 00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:11.420 I was going to say mental stuff for sure. 00:34:11.420 --> 00:34:12.420 Passion fatigue. 00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:15.260 I would say it's 100% number one burnout. 00:34:15.260 --> 00:34:17.260 Yep. 00:34:17.260 --> 00:34:30.900 And then to your point, Devon, money, especially based on like student loans, if you're a veterinarian or a veterinary student who had to take loans for undergraduate school, and now you have loans for veterinary school. 00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:45.260 And I like when I, you then have a salary that can't meet the, you know, the debt ratio of, I mean, that would be a reason why you'd be like, no, I can't choose this field. 00:34:45.260 --> 00:34:46.260 Yeah. 00:34:46.260 --> 00:34:47.260 Yeah. 00:34:47.260 --> 00:34:48.260 Yeah. 00:34:48.260 --> 00:34:49.260 Yeah. 00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:50.260 I'm just about to feel like I got to pay my bills. 00:34:50.260 --> 00:34:51.260 Yeah. 00:34:51.260 --> 00:34:51.260 And inflation right now is not helping anybody. 00:34:51.260 --> 00:34:52.260 Yeah. 00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:53.260 Which adds to your compassion fatigue. 00:34:53.260 --> 00:35:04.340 But yeah, in terms of like being in the career and then like getting burnout, I think like where you work and the people you work with has a big contribution to that. 00:35:04.340 --> 00:35:05.340 I agree. 00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:07.980 And how they take care of you, how you're appreciated. 00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:23.340 So that's what you're talking about, things that make it like things that, well, it could make or break like if I work somewhere for a while and then I'm like, if I'm not treated or you because you may not think there's something better and then you're just like, no, I'm done. 00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:24.340 That was too much. 00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:25.340 We're not treated great. 00:35:25.340 --> 00:35:27.619 I'm sure that would make some people like peace out. 00:35:27.619 --> 00:35:28.619 Yeah. 00:35:28.619 --> 00:35:29.619 Yeah. 00:35:29.619 --> 00:35:33.539 Or the opposite if it's good, then yeah, that encourages you. 00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:34.539 Yeah. 00:35:34.539 --> 00:35:35.539 Yeah. 00:35:35.539 --> 00:35:36.539 Yeah. 00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:42.619 I mean, veterinary medicine like is mentally and emotionally very exhausting and difficult. 00:35:42.619 --> 00:35:45.380 And like, there's a high suicide rate in our field. 00:35:45.380 --> 00:35:52.980 There is a lot of burnout in general and there's not the right amount of resources for people to handle it. 00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:54.900 And it's always like, we got to do better. 00:35:54.900 --> 00:35:57.980 We got to do better, but no one's doing better, which is very frustrating. 00:35:57.980 --> 00:36:00.659 And so you have to take it upon yourself, which is fine. 00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:05.300 You have to have that ownership of what you need for your life and stuff. 00:36:05.300 --> 00:36:18.500 And if you're in such a dark hole that you don't recognize it, it's just, that's where it gets frustrating when you don't, some clinic, some places in schools, just don't have the avenues or the resources to help. 00:36:18.500 --> 00:36:27.260 So I think that's, I don't know, I just think that that's such a huge issue in our field and maybe in human medicine too, I'm sure. 00:36:27.260 --> 00:36:34.300 But like, there's nothing that's being done about it. 00:36:34.300 --> 00:36:38.380 I mean, yeah, there's maybe a school counselor, or they tell you watch for this. 00:36:38.380 --> 00:36:39.380 Right. 00:36:39.380 --> 00:36:40.380 They tell you about it. 00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:42.179 I mean, I tell you, you have no idea. 00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:43.980 There's no advocating for you. 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:51.340 And I think the people that enter the industry typically would have the characteristics of being like servants, like having servant hearts. 00:36:51.340 --> 00:36:52.340 Sure. 00:36:52.340 --> 00:36:53.340 Yeah. 00:36:53.340 --> 00:37:02.940 Then when you get destroyed on some days by clients because, and we've learned, we constantly are preaching, you know, you don't know what's going on in that person's life. 00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:07.099 You don't know, you know, what happened to them before they came in for the appointment. 00:37:07.099 --> 00:37:12.500 You don't know, you know, trying to depersonalize, you know, those types of experiences. 00:37:12.500 --> 00:37:18.980 But when they say hurtful things out of their own hurt, it could be hard. 00:37:18.980 --> 00:37:21.699 It's hard, you know, to be able to put that aside. 00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:23.219 And you know, you need to put it aside. 00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:26.260 But yet you keep coming back to like, I'm only trying to do my best. 00:37:26.260 --> 00:37:28.500 I'm only doing my, I'm trying to do my best. 00:37:28.500 --> 00:37:34.300 I'm not intentionally telling you something that you don't want to hear or telling you something. 00:37:34.300 --> 00:37:43.699 And so I think that there are things like time that only can make those situations better. 00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:55.420 But you sit and stew on them as the person handling the case or the people handling the patients or, you know, and so I think that that is mentally exhausting. 00:37:55.420 --> 00:38:05.539 Yeah. And depending on the area where you live and the clientele and what their expectations are and I mean, all of that. 00:38:05.539 --> 00:38:08.260 And you try not to take it personally. 00:38:08.260 --> 00:38:09.900 But some days it's hard to do that. 00:38:09.900 --> 00:38:10.900 I mean, you're human. 00:38:10.900 --> 00:38:13.940 You're gonna, you're gonna sit and think about it a little more when you go home. 00:38:13.940 --> 00:38:15.860 Like you're, you're gonna be really heartbroken about it. 00:38:15.860 --> 00:38:16.860 You're gonna be sad. 00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:18.500 You're gonna be worried. 00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:21.179 Like, it's just one of those things we're human too. 00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:29.699 Like in people, I think unfortunately it goes back to we're only in it for the money and we don't care about their animal and that's not the case at all. 00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:39.900 And I think that the only, the other thing too that we always, that we deal with that and other medical fields don't deal with is euthanasia. 00:38:39.900 --> 00:38:58.099 We are the field where we have to sit and decide and talk through and use our best education and use our best knowledge, resources to tell them if this, this patient, this animal's life that can't talk to us is affected or if it's suffering. 00:38:58.099 --> 00:39:05.659 And then we have to tell that to the person connected to it and then we have to then soak in those persons response their emotions to it. 00:39:05.659 --> 00:39:09.300 So that's a lot of baggage that we also take on. 00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:10.300 Yeah. 00:39:10.300 --> 00:39:15.659 Not saying that, again, human doctors, human medical field, like they, they have their own set that they deal with. 00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:25.900 Yeah, with humans, but because we deal with euthanasia and we are the ones acting on that, that's where I think it's a whole other set of mental health you have to watch out for. 00:39:25.900 --> 00:39:28.380 Then we take their grief into our own. 00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:29.380 Yeah. 00:39:29.380 --> 00:39:30.380 Yeah. 00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:33.380 So yeah, that's probably all the hardest part. 00:39:33.380 --> 00:39:34.380 Yeah. 00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:48.820 I would also say speaking from my experience as a tech or a technician, another thing that's really frustrating and that can also, I feel like in certain cases cause burnout or cause you just just not want to do what you do anymore is which I get it. 00:39:48.820 --> 00:39:49.820 People are not educated. 00:39:49.820 --> 00:39:52.340 I'm not mad at people for not knowing. 00:39:52.340 --> 00:39:57.500 And I give all the credit to human medical workers because I cannot do what they do. 00:39:57.500 --> 00:39:58.500 That's incredible. 00:39:58.500 --> 00:40:01.980 But I feel like we don't get the recognition that we deserve like they do. 00:40:01.980 --> 00:40:06.900 It's just sometimes it's like constantly beats you down because you're like, oh, you don't do anything. 00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:11.739 You get to go to work and play with kids and get these all day and you don't have to like the doctors of the euthanasia. 00:40:11.739 --> 00:40:15.420 But like I give you guys the credit to but we do the after care. 00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:16.619 Like that's not easy either. 00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:18.219 We are that we talk to the client. 00:40:18.219 --> 00:40:24.179 Like so, yeah, it gets really frustrating when you don't when people don't understand like the importance you have as well. 00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:25.179 Yeah. 00:40:25.179 --> 00:40:26.579 That's another thing is just not talked about enough. 00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:28.780 And this is very and very eating. 00:40:28.780 --> 00:40:29.780 Yeah. 00:40:29.780 --> 00:40:30.780 Yeah. 00:40:30.780 --> 00:40:31.780 Yeah. 00:40:31.780 --> 00:40:32.780 So talk about it more. 00:40:32.780 --> 00:40:33.780 Talk about your feelings. 00:40:33.780 --> 00:40:34.780 Talk. 00:40:34.780 --> 00:40:35.780 Talk to someone. 00:40:35.780 --> 00:40:36.780 Yes. 00:40:36.780 --> 00:40:37.780 Yeah. 00:40:37.780 --> 00:40:38.780 Everything's not fine. 00:40:38.780 --> 00:40:39.780 It doesn't have to be fine. 00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:40.780 It doesn't have to be. 00:40:40.780 --> 00:40:41.780 Say when it's not there. 00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:42.780 That's right. 00:40:42.780 --> 00:40:43.780 Yep. 00:40:43.780 --> 00:40:44.780 Yep. 00:40:44.780 --> 00:40:45.780 Okay. 00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:46.780 We're done. 00:40:46.780 --> 00:40:47.780 Okay. 00:40:47.780 --> 00:40:48.780 Next question. 00:40:48.780 --> 00:40:49.780 Last question. 00:40:49.780 --> 00:40:54.980 In a previous episode, you guys mentioned the different types of fields you could go into like equine or marine biology. 00:40:54.980 --> 00:41:02.059 Is there a stereotype about or a specific type of person that fits best into each field? 00:41:02.059 --> 00:41:03.659 And these questions come from @Sammy. 00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:04.659 Carbonna. 00:41:04.659 --> 00:41:05.659 Cool name. 00:41:05.659 --> 00:41:06.659 Okay. 00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:10.659 I don't know if there's a stereotype. 00:41:10.659 --> 00:41:16.739 It's a stereotype necessarily, but I think like people that grow up with horses are more likely to go into equine medicine. 00:41:16.739 --> 00:41:22.659 And then I don't know about marine biology, but maybe like people on the coast are more likely to go into that field. 00:41:22.659 --> 00:41:25.219 Oh, that's my two cents. 00:41:25.219 --> 00:41:38.380 I think there are people who are more comfortable behind like a microscope or behind the desk and stuff where they don't have to have that personal one-on-one with pet owners and people in general. 00:41:38.380 --> 00:41:39.380 So yeah. 00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:47.619 If you don't, like I would say people that are outgoing, like that aren't necessarily introverts are probably out in general practice. 00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:48.619 Yeah. 00:41:48.619 --> 00:41:49.619 Yeah. 00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:54.420 Wouldn't you say that they're more, because they're more talky and they like to spend time with people. 00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:55.420 Yeah. 00:41:55.420 --> 00:41:58.980 So then, because that's what you have to do over and over and over and over again. 00:41:58.980 --> 00:42:04.139 I would say that people in general, I start my stomach scrolling because it is that time. 00:42:04.139 --> 00:42:07.099 People in general practice probably also like to solve problems. 00:42:07.099 --> 00:42:08.099 Yeah. 00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:13.860 So they're interested in problem solving and they're day changing from day to day. 00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:14.860 Yeah. 00:42:14.860 --> 00:42:23.380 Whereas people that like consistency might be doing like specialized practice, like you know, ophthalmologist or dermatologist or they like the same thing every day. 00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:24.380 Yeah. 00:42:24.380 --> 00:42:26.139 They like to be really good at the same thing every day. 00:42:26.139 --> 00:42:27.139 Yeah. 00:42:27.139 --> 00:42:28.139 We need to know. 00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:41.139 That's what I was going to say is I feel like sometimes the way people's brains operate, like I feel like in general, a lot of veterinarians are people in industry are type A, but they're still like very more analytical type A's or I mean, everyone's type A, but you know what I mean. 00:42:41.139 --> 00:42:42.139 Yeah. 00:42:42.139 --> 00:42:48.219 Like the just the way they look at the problem and you know, maybe orthopedics, they like more of that physics and math, right? 00:42:48.219 --> 00:42:49.219 Stuff to it. 00:42:49.219 --> 00:42:51.179 So, or working with tools. 00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:52.179 Yeah. 00:42:52.179 --> 00:42:53.179 Yeah. 00:42:53.179 --> 00:42:54.179 Exactly. 00:42:54.179 --> 00:42:55.380 That's fine. 00:42:55.380 --> 00:42:56.380 Get out that hardware, those hardwares, hardwares. 00:42:56.380 --> 00:42:57.380 Yeah. 00:42:57.380 --> 00:42:58.380 Yeah. 00:42:58.380 --> 00:42:59.380 Get out the drill. 00:42:59.380 --> 00:43:00.380 Get out the saw. 00:43:00.380 --> 00:43:01.380 Yeah. 00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:02.380 Yeah. 00:43:02.380 --> 00:43:03.380 Yeah. 00:43:03.380 --> 00:43:04.380 Yeah. 00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:05.380 Yeah. 00:43:05.380 --> 00:43:06.380 Yeah. 00:43:06.380 --> 00:43:10.260 And I think you just have to find what you enjoy the most, right? 00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:12.500 Vast number of options you have. 00:43:12.500 --> 00:43:13.500 You like swimming? 00:43:13.500 --> 00:43:14.900 Maybe you'll like marine biology. 00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:15.900 Yeah. 00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:16.900 I don't know. 00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:20.420 Well, when I was doing all that marine work and I finally decided I wasn't going to do it, and I was with the penguins. 00:43:20.420 --> 00:43:23.300 Not struggling, but shoveling the penguins. 00:43:23.300 --> 00:43:27.619 I was like I can't do, I'm not going to sit and do research all day. 00:43:27.619 --> 00:43:28.619 Yeah. 00:43:28.619 --> 00:43:30.539 Like that is going, I will stab my eyes out. 00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:31.539 Yeah. 00:43:31.539 --> 00:43:32.539 Yeah. 00:43:32.539 --> 00:43:38.380 Now I wanted to work with that specific type of, or that those specific types of animals, but that I realized was not what was going to be happening. 00:43:38.380 --> 00:43:42.179 So I was going to be a lot more research than he ends on. 00:43:42.179 --> 00:43:44.980 So I think paying attention to all of those things. 00:43:44.980 --> 00:43:45.980 Yeah. 00:43:45.980 --> 00:43:47.980 When you're trying to contemplate what is it that? 00:43:47.980 --> 00:43:48.980 Job shadow. 00:43:48.980 --> 00:43:49.980 Yeah, job shadow is huge. 00:43:49.980 --> 00:43:50.980 Yeah. 00:43:50.980 --> 00:43:51.980 You're not sure. 00:43:51.980 --> 00:43:53.699 There's so many options. 00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:55.780 There's so many things you can be as a veterinarian. 00:43:55.780 --> 00:43:56.780 Yeah. 00:43:56.780 --> 00:43:57.780 We're men. 00:43:57.780 --> 00:43:58.780 Dry them all. 00:43:58.780 --> 00:43:59.780 Yeah. 00:43:59.780 --> 00:44:00.780 Yeah. 00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:01.780 I still would like to work with sea-like animals. 00:44:01.780 --> 00:44:02.780 I think it's so fascinating. 00:44:02.780 --> 00:44:03.780 Yep. 00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:06.059 I've been intrigued in water animals since I was little. 00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:07.059 I love them. 00:44:07.059 --> 00:44:08.059 Yeah. 00:44:08.059 --> 00:44:09.059 Yeah. 00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:10.059 You just need to go job shadow, Kristen. 00:44:10.059 --> 00:44:11.059 Yeah. 00:44:11.059 --> 00:44:12.059 I know. 00:44:12.059 --> 00:44:13.059 That'd be so cool. 00:44:13.059 --> 00:44:15.059 I tried to get into the zoo, but it was a big process. 00:44:15.059 --> 00:44:16.059 Yeah. 00:44:16.059 --> 00:44:17.059 Oh, yeah. 00:44:17.059 --> 00:44:20.059 It's very-- I tried that extra in there for college, and it was-- It's really hard to do. 00:44:20.059 --> 00:44:22.059 Because you have to volunteer in Zoom medicine. 00:44:22.059 --> 00:44:23.059 Yeah. 00:44:23.059 --> 00:44:26.059 You have to volunteer for so long at the zoo, and then they'll let you do certain things. 00:44:26.059 --> 00:44:27.059 Yeah. 00:44:27.059 --> 00:44:28.059 It's a long process. 00:44:28.059 --> 00:44:29.059 Yeah. 00:44:29.059 --> 00:44:31.059 Maybe worth it though, but-- Yeah. 00:44:31.059 --> 00:44:32.059 Yeah, about. 00:44:32.059 --> 00:44:33.059 Okay. 00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:35.500 We answered your questions, Sammy. 00:44:35.500 --> 00:44:36.940 Yeah, it's a great question, Sammy. 00:44:36.940 --> 00:44:37.940 Thank you for sending them in. 00:44:37.940 --> 00:44:38.940 Yep. 00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:39.940 Okay. 00:44:39.940 --> 00:44:42.460 Thank you so much for tuning into another episode of The Veterinary Roundtable. 00:44:42.460 --> 00:44:47.699 Remember sending those questions and be sure to follow us on all social media platforms at AllStar Veterinary Clinic. 00:44:47.699 --> 00:44:54.179 If you enjoyed this episode or previous episode, leave us a review on your podcast provider or choice. 00:44:54.179 --> 00:44:57.500 We'll see you in a few weeks for the next episode of The Veterinary Round. 00:44:57.500 --> 00:44:59.260 Stay tuned for King's Mystery Bag. 00:44:59.260 --> 00:45:00.260 Yes. 00:45:00.260 --> 00:45:01.260 Oh, yeah. 00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:03.260 I'm going to be-- I'm going to be cool. 00:45:03.260 --> 00:45:09.400 [MUSIC PLAYING](upbeat music)(upbeat music)

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