Episode 38 - Taking God Out of the Box - Mysticism, The Bible & The Feminine Awakening w/ Liz Byrd

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Welcome to Spirit Outspoken, the podcast for Christians who are ready to explore the deeper side of faith.

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Welcome to part two of our conversation with Liz Bird of Lizbeth Rising.

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In this episode, we continue exploring the layered and sometimes uncomfortable questions that come with spiritual growth.

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Liz shares her perspective on forgotten texts, the feminine principle and spirituality, and how personal experiences can shift our understanding of biblical teachings.

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From energetic practices to alternate histories of Jesus.

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Today's dialogue challenges the idea of spiritual certainty and invites a deeper, more nuanced connection to faith.

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In part one, we unpack the vulnerable process of rethinking faith when long-held beliefs begin to crumble and confusion sets in.

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It's messy, it's mystical, and somehow it's also reassuring.

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This conversation explores why it's okay to not have all the answers and how being meek might just be the most powerful posture of all.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>One thing that I thought was worth highlighting is when you were talking about, this process, of rethinking what they were taught, really deconstructing their own faith, and you reach a point where it does feel like I'm just confused.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I remember feeling that too, it's almost like everything has to shatter.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>You know what I mean?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Everything that you had thought was how it was just to slowly starting to break away and it feels like you're on shaky ground, or at least for me it did.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Uh, and it took a little while for the dust to settle and for me to get my footing and starting to see some of those synchronicities and feel like, okay.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Obviously having a spiritual podcast or platform.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>If you take that seriously there's a lot of pressure to wanna share accurate information.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And we have had the same thing happen where we were like, is this right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Are we doing the right thing?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Are we leading people away from the truth?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And every time we've gotten, still, every time we've doubted, when we have gone inward and we have prayed the amount of miraculous things, the amount of synchronicities that have shown up the visions or things that come to us in meditation, I mean, it is like.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Undeniable that we're on some type of right path.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And I think it's beautiful how you yourself are like, I'm still figuring this out, and we are too.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And that's okay.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>This idea that we have to have all the answers when it comes to our spirituality, the idea that we as humans can even conceptualize God's mind and ways to me is it's just laughable and arrogant, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like we can't possibly figure out God.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So I just thought that was really beautiful, all those things that you said and all those little tidbits.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I just appreciate that perspective.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>There's this quote from the Gospel of Thomas that I love that applies to kind of the stage we're in where it's like, seek until you are disturbed.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Basically keep seeking until you're disturbed.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And then once you're disturbed, it'll kind of become clear and then you'll reign over all, you know, like it gives a little

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<v Rachael Loney>Oh, I love that.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>and knock.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But honestly, that's how I felt when I was reading that stuff the thing I liked about G Narcissism was it was so out there

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Mm.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>you know, just like gave me more insight, more possibility, the Christian narrative of just like Adam and Eve ate this apple and in seven days God created.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Sure, it's possible of course, because anything is possible for God, but it's also so simplified and it feels like a Sunday school story, you know?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And that's kind of where narcissism started to feel to me, like I was entering a different level you know, there's like more depth and still ties in like the Garden of Eden, but it's very different, right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It's Just portrays it very differently.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm in that same place and I'm glad you guys kind of relate'cause you know, people expect you to have all the answers.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I like to think of Jesus saying blessed or the meek for they will inherit the kingdom.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>How many Christians come off so confident?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I don't mean to create a separation, but that's just the reality.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The religion has created these people who are very like righteous and confident and like, they know the truth.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>They know it, they know it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I'm like.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>know, there, I feel like that about some things.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Sure.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like I know the truth of God, that God is loving.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's like, that's all I can really base my entire reality about.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But anything else like is open for interpretation and I'm gonna be meek about it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And Meek is, to me, is humbly willing to seek, right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like a child is willing to be corrected.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It's cool to be meeting more people who are aligned with that and, and in that place of being willing to be meek basically.

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Part two, rethinking scripture and reconnecting with Jesus.

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Next, Liz opens up about her personal connection with Jesus, one breaded in lived experience rather than institutional doctrine.

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She reflects on how texts like the Gospel of Mary and Gospel of Thomas feel more aligned with the intuitive spiritual relationship she's always felt within.

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What follows is an exploration of how new age philosophies and mystical Christianity intersect.

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Liz discusses what she calls the rise of feminine spiritual principality, reimagining faith as fluid, heartfelt, and expansive.

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For her.

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This isn't about abandoning structure, it's about lifting the veil and discovering a deeper truth.

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That's always been there.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I feel like you have really immersed yourself and I don't know.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It sounds like you, you've been on this journey, but definitely when you speak, you speak from a level of authority, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like you've done a ton of research and then you're speaking So as we were talking about some of the gnostic texts and how you are sharing, how it offers a whole different perspective on the cosmos and how everything came into be Rachel, I was like, it it's like out there, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like it's a pretty like mind blowing.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And she was like, well, a book of Revelations is pretty out there.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And I'm like, it's so true.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>What we've sort of been, exposed to.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>We just have this innate acceptance of like, oh, well they say it's okay, so it's okay.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And then everything else.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Falls outside of this box where truly, if you look at the Bible, each of the individual books, they're completely different viewpoints and perspectives and this person's viewpoint and the way that they communicate to like the book of Revelations being like literally on a different planet.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>You know, if you open yourself up to what you've already accepted as okay and safe, there is so much wisdom and knowledge to be gained.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>What you were sharing too about I know Jesus, I know God, I have a personal relationship.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>With those energies.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So for me, reading some of the stuff in the Bible, I'm just like, I don't buy it.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I don't personally believe in hell.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And to say that as a quote unquote Christian is bananas, but here I am.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>But when I read from the Gospel of Mary, when I read from the Gospel of Thomas, I'm like, oh, this feels like the spirituality and the Christianity and the relationship with Jesus that I've always intuitively and internally have connected to.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And I think that's what's so exciting about the concept, even of differing perspectives differing.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Voices of Jesus coming through and knowing that, listen, we always joke around, you don't have to throw out the baby in with the baptismal water.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Okay?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Don't throw baby Jesus out with the water.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I talk to so many people that, we're in our forties, forties and fifties.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>They're like, I don't like church.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I'm not religious, I'm nothing.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And it's sad because they think that the only Jesus that exists is the one that is sinner, you are bad.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>You are inherently bad, and the only way to be good is through Jesus.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And there is such a different Jesus that it now feels like, is.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It's like this uprising, it's like bubbling up everywhere.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And I don't know if it's just through our own experience, but like, do you feel that way, Liz?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like, it just

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>do, and

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<v Jaisa Engasser>feels like.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>something so important, like that's actually why I created my space as where New Age meets Christianity, and I think that's gonna tie in because to me, new Age has been.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Misunderstood and misconstrued as something that it's not people affiliated with.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Oh, chakras and crystals and, and tarot.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And it's like, it's basically all these old things coming together and like everyone just being like loosey goosey and picking what they want and whatever.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And Sure.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I get why they think that.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And that's kind of maybe how I used to also view it and use it as, but I realized the new age is not a religion because that's what people try.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Oh, you're just a part of the new age religion.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You're just creating your own religion.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I'm like, no.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like a religion is a set of institutionalized beliefs and ideas, as in somebody sits down and decides this is what everyone believes.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The new age is fluid.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It is honestly, to me, the rise of feminine.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>feminine, spiritual principality.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so new age to me is a collective shift.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like exactly what you're explaining.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The new age is the time.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like Jesus said, there will be a time when the spirit of truth will come and reveal all things to you.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I believe that's what the new age is to me.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like the idea of Christ's consciousness coming about and us like, like collectively picking up on it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Sure.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Not everyone, but like so many people picking up like, oh yeah.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>was all about like us and going within, and I'm the father one.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's what I also need to be, is I'm the father one.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And he had that whole prayer.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You are one and me and I and you, and we can all be one and the father, and like, duh.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And that to me, I'm like, that's the new age.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's what they say.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Um, the root word of apocalypse or the etymological meaning is the unveiling.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm like the unveiling, the veil comes off, you know, the ego moves aside, the corruption, the distortion, the religion, the systems all move aside and you can see clearly what Jesus' true message was about.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I think he is now active more than ever before.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>What you're saying about,, I am a Christian, but the idea of hell doesn't sit well with me.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So this is what I've seen a pattern of why there is this new age to Christian pendulum movement is people will be in the new age and they'll get lost because yes, it's not a religion, it's not gonna give you foundational structure.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>If you were not raised in a religion.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Please by all means go and experience one.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Doesn't even really matter which one, just pick one.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And you know, really kind of try to embody the values and the morals and the teachings and the customs and like do all of that.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's great.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But at a certain point you recognize this is still limited and keeping me in a box.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And then that's when you might be able to step out a little bit and open up more to the esoteric, to the mystical.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Right.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But a lot of people within New Age are coming from no religion at all.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>or deeply traumatized experience with religion.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So they left and they become New age.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Right.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's why anybody would be there.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It's either they they didn't have religion, so they don't have any background.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so these people lose themselves to the tools that are affiliated with New Age astrology Tarot because they don't have a foundational relationship with God.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>They like, of course.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You thought tarot was gonna bring you out of depression, you thought your crystals were gonna like, come on.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like how can, like, so the people in that, of course they're a little insane to ever have thought that something like a tarot deck is gonna give them all of the answers when they might not be ready for them.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You know, it's gonna give them all the truth that like you can only receive within.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So yes, there's a foundational need for like structure that's the masculine, that's like that, you know, material physical principle.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And then there comes the esoteric, the energetic, the feminine principle.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And that is what is happening is this collective consciousness changing.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And that's what I believe to be the new age.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So I don't affiliate with like, yeah, being new age.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like I don't, I'm not gonna say I am new age or I'm a new

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Right.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>you know, but I am a active participant in it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I am participating in the awakening, the, unveiling, right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so what I see is people lose themselves to the tools.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>People having no boundaries, no guidelines, no example, nobody to look up to.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I think that's what's important about Jesus and his role in my life.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I realize how important it's to actually have a role model.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>There does seem to be a need for hierarchy.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like kind of just like an old, like the way he paints it in the course of miracles is he is an older brother, one that has matured a little bit more than you, one that's kind of gone through a little bit more and he's simply giving you some lived experience of like, Hey, might serve you.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You know, like, that's it, that's all we have to look at it as.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It doesn't have to be this like, you know, like you're saying, Redeemer of all my sins, because that really just makes him a reminder of all the guilt, shame, and, you know, fear that you've been in, you know, indoctrinated with.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so people will, they will leave.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Or they'll be in the new age, they'll feel very lost.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>They'll go through this dark night of the soul, most likely facing their shadow, and they'll call upon Jesus similar to me.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like I had that reconnection with Jesus through the Course of Miracles during my dark Night of the Soul, and I reconnected with him and I went the same thing.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I was like, man, is the church where it's at?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Do I need to go back to church?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You know?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so around that same time I was trying it out, but like I just, I couldn't like, at least the one that I was going to was just like, the message was just so dry and it was just like Hallmark card level surface.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Just like, I don't know, pulling pieces from everything.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I know that there are better churches for sure, but ultimately, I tried different ones and I was like, there's just this missing piece here.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You know?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>There's this missing piece of like, accountability.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>What can I do?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You're telling me, okay, don't be jealous.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Don't be this, don't do that.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But how do I do that?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Why is the

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Yes.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>giving you a, like, why are we not talking about tools to use as a church?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's what the

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<v Rachael Loney>Yes.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>to get together and learn and grow in Christ.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So it's like if you're just sitting here repeating the Bible, just, oh, keep praying on it, which I get is valid.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Pray on it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Ask, seek, not go to God.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But God also works through relationship and through each other.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And that's what the church is meant to do.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So if the church isn't doing that, then to me it didn't serve a role anymore.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so, um, what I see though is people leave new age.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>they'll, they'll call upon Jesus and Jesus will answer.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Or they'll just kind of get some kind of, you know, he'll kind of call them to him.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like, Hey, if you're ready, like I can serve as the guide.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I can be here for you.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You know, let me, let me help you.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>'cause I'm outside of what everybody else here has experienced.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm outside of the illusion and I can help wake you up.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so people will be like, whoa.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Especially people who are not raised Christian, they'll be extra, whoa.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like Jesus.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like, I didn't even think that guy was real.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And then they're gonna maybe find themselves somewhere in the middle where they, they appreciate the values of tradition of, you know, the, the Bible.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Again, like you're saying, don't throw the baby out with the baptismal water.

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Part three, scripture context and personal insight.

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Next Liz reflects on scripture and spiritual truth, holding deep respect for the Bible, while acknowledging its limitations and biases.

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The conversation explores how history, intuition, and alternative paths like astrology and Buddhist meditation inform her connection to Jesus

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The Bible has so much value in it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I hate that when I say like, I don't believe the Bible to be immaculate.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That immediately means that I'm saying nothing.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>People are like, well, why do you quote from it?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm like, because there's still like recordings of history in it of course there was like a narrative they only kind of kept what they wanted.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Certain things were taken out.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But like there's still, especially Jesus's history, a lot of it is in there and I will pull from it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Especially Jesus's teachings, Like you're saying, the older ones were either destroyed or they just chose those because they had one cohesive message.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's what they needed.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>'Cause like you were saying earlier, if you read every chapter of the Bible, there's so much variance and different perspectives.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>'cause the Bible is not one cohesive message as much as Christians like to make it sound like it is.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>There's so much contradiction in.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The Bible and like it does not paint one cohesive story.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It really doesn't.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But again, what you're taught to be normal is like you, you don't see the discrepancies.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>That's the thing, that we're missing is when people say the Bible is immaculate, here's another side of that.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Okay.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Perhaps the Bible is immaculate.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Let's just say hypothetically at best, it's incomplete.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>We know that there are other texts that were not included.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>There are decades of Jesus' life that aren't included.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It, it is incomplete.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It is not full.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So so people when they're like, it is the word of God, it is immaculate.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It's like, okay, but what about this over here that says the exact opposite.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And also, I love what you're saying about, and Rachel and I have continually done this is,'cause we had a reel on TikTok.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Where it was basically questioning the origins of a specific word that was used to suppress women in the church.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So Rachel did this whole research and people were visceral hate.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like, Nope, I'm the boss.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Basically stay in the kitchen and shut up.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Those types of comments.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And you know, not only is it the antithesis of what Jesus would do, but the actual teaching, every single place where it tries to suppress women in the Bible are not Jesus's direct teaching.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So, and trying to hold space for love and compassion and not perpetuating this judgment and division.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>If they were just like unhinged comments, we just ignored them, but where they were just like, Hey, this is how I was taught, this is how I was raised.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>You are wrong.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>We try to have some open discourse and we're like, listen, like you have to at least consider.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>If it didn't come from Jesus, it, it came from a human.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And we can all admit humans are flawed.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>We're all looking things through our own lens.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I mean, even just talking about quantum physics, we can all look at the same exact particles and controlled situation and they all have different outcomes.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So we cannot say that like our own experience, our own lens, our own voice and experience doesn't taint or picture something a certain way.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And I just think like, that's what's so fascinating about this is like just being open to say okay, if it's not immaculate, what does that mean?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Do we just throw it all out?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>No.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>If it's incomplete, what does that mean?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>What else is out there?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like just constantly just sort of saying like, I'm gonna be on this forever path until at a minimum I get to a place of okay, I can connect with this and this increases my faith, this is increases who I am as a person, this helps me.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Do better, be better, love better.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I think that's the difference.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And like you talking about the tools in which we have that really kind of speak to the divine feminine astrology for me, I'm so far in astrology, I can't even tell you.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>But for me, it has only increased my faith that we live in this divine universe, this intelligent universe where you cannot make it up.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It is so mathematically precise it has to be from a higher being.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It has to be from a higher frequency.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It, it is not manmade.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like, like period.

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<v Rachael Loney>Liz, I love everything that you've shared.

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<v Rachael Loney>So much of it has connected with me in so many different ways.

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<v Rachael Loney>You know, even you were saying about the box.

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<v Rachael Loney>'cause one of the big things for me when I really started exploring a lot of this stuff is I, I even said this phrase, I'm gonna take God out of the box that I have put him in because maybe he works in ways that I don't understand and maybe he's bigger than this container I've put him in.

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<v Rachael Loney>And I just think it's so true.

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<v Rachael Loney>'cause when I started exploring all these other modalities, it only reaffirmed.

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<v Rachael Loney>And allowed me to connect to Jesus in a much deeper, more tangible way than I ever had.

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<v Rachael Loney>For example, meta meditation which is actually a Buddhist practice.

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<v Rachael Loney>But it was tools on how to forgive, you know?

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<v Rachael Loney>And growing up it was always like, oh, well we forgive and that's what we do.

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<v Rachael Loney>But nobody ever taught me how.

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<v Rachael Loney>So I just always felt so fake being like, okay, I'm forgiving, but in my heart I'm still pissed off as hell, you know?

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<v Rachael Loney>So I just feel when we are able to pull from all these different angles, it really just, it makes everything flourish and it makes it so cool and just kind of come alive and feel so personal and deep.

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Part four, rediscovering the divine through Energy and earth.

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Next, Liz shares a thoughtful perspective on rediscovering the feminine principle within spirituality.

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Drawing from ancient texts like the gospel of peace, she invites us into a more intimate connection with nature's rhythms and the subtle energies often overlooked in traditional doctrine.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I think that's what the beauty of coming back to the feminine principle,'cause my view now is that.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The Holy Trinity, the way that the seen Gospel of Peace talks about it, which again, is like a missing gospel of Jesus.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It paints this beautiful picture of the earthly mother and her angels of like the angel of earth.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Water.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Sun, you know, and you can look at them as entities or just energies, frequency, whatever, but connecting with them on a daily basis, communing with them, you know?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And it talks about communing with the angels of the heavenly father peace and, and wisdom and like all these aspects of God and how important it is to connect to the aspects of God.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's what I say about like chakras and working with your chakra system because chakras are energetic, right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Your energy system.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You can't see your energy system.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But through getting to know each center, the themes that play out, the patterns through, you know, uh, intentionally eating fruit that's colored the color of the chakra or wearing clothes of the color of the chakra, you are connecting to different energies and principles that are otherwise unknown to you.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And you're building perception.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And the meaning of perception is developing and understanding through your senses.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And since.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You know, energy is still kind of a sense that we are developing.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like we can't quite

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<v Rachael Loney>Yeah.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>and smell it and feel like we can only really feel it within like this weird unknowing feeling.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>By working with these energy centers.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>We are connecting to aspects of ourselves that are otherwise hidden from us, but also by connecting to nature, her rhythms, her cycles to God.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And like all these aspects we are building perception of the divine.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like that's really what I feel like those kind of things are.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And that's the feminine principle because we see this movement of holistic, crunchy people kind of rising up, right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>People are grounding in the earth, they're getting mourning sun in their eyes.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>They're, you know, doing the.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Red light therapy, the breath work, right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>All of these things, that's the revival of the feminine, the aspects that we forgot.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Women are healing their cycles.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>This is what happened when they cut out the feminine principle.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I think I heard Zach Bush talk about this, who I love, um, a great speaker and teacher and also a student of the Course of Miracles.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>He talked about how there's like this Native American proverb of.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The world being like a bird with two wings, but one of the wings is atrophied and weak.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And frail, and so the other one is muscular and strong.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And the bird, because it's only flying on one wing, can only fly in circles until the other wing stretches out and gain strength.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It can, that's when it can finally move forward.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>To me, that's what this suppression of the feminine has been It was not created for women or with women in mind.

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<v Rachael Loney>No.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>that's why women are the ones that I think are waking up and really getting out of it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So it's a beautiful time to be alive.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's what I think this new age is all

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<v Rachael Loney>Yes,

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>beautiful time.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Right.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm just grateful and honored to be a part of it and to be connecting with people like you, but you know, getting fixated on all the little stuff, that's where we're getting lost, you know, is just like, oh, you do this and you believe that.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And it's like, again, throwing the baby out with the bath water.

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<v Rachael Loney>know.

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<v Rachael Loney>Yes,

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>that.

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<v Rachael Loney>I know.

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<v Rachael Loney>Take'em out of the box.

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<v Rachael Loney>You know, let people explore and, and to have fun with it too.

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<v Rachael Loney>It doesn't always have to be so serious, and one of the things I've loved too is taking these practices and then putting them through the lens of my Christianity.

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<v Rachael Loney>So I do a moon ritual, but I pray to Jesus during my moon ritual.

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<v Rachael Loney>You can make it whatever you wanna make it.

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<v Rachael Loney>Just play around and have fun with stuff and see what fits.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>me that's like the meaning of esoteric.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>'cause I think esoteric, like Christians hear that and are like, oh, it's like a cult, you know?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I'm like kind of, you know, a cult just means secret.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And then esoteric is basically like the underlying message, or the way that I've understood it is like Exoteric is teachings that are given to the masses.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Very general teachings, things you would teach to public people, just like in groups, like large groups, like what a pastor would give to a congregation.

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<v Rachael Loney>Mm-hmm.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>that pastor goes home and wrestles with more stuff.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>He knows insights that he can't quite share.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>He's come to Revelations that he doesn't really talk about.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And those are the more esoteric things, right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Because a pastor might have a lot of education, a lot of knowledge, and maybe he goes down a certain rabbit hole, but he's like, I can't share this with the, the, my

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<v Rachael Loney>congregation

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I haven't even come to a conclusion.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>esoteric is the underlying message that you need more spiritual insight to be able to understand.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so the way I look at it is.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The new age, like, or whatever's happening, you know, this tapping into these more energetic, spiritual, metaphysical aspects of reality.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>All they do is actually give you an esoteric perspective to then go back and read the Bible.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And you have more insight, you have more information, and you get the eyes to see, and the ears to hear that Jesus talked about.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>He's like, you guys don't have it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>'cause you guys are fixated on the law.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You're fixated on religion, you're fixated on this manmade system.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So you

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<v Rachael Loney>Yeah.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>like, you know, step away, go within, like look around.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And that's why I think, you know, again, he was probably teaching secret teachings to certain people.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>He probably told the disciples you wait and you see when like certain people start to feel ready, start to reveal.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I don't think the disciples were straight up going and telling everybody everything that he taught them.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Either they knew like You're gonna think I'm crazy, so I'm gonna wait.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And then maybe they never even got the chance.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You know, a lot of them were killed so early on that they might not have even gotten the chance to reveal those teachings.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But I think that's how Gnostic texts even lived on.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>'cause that's the main thing that people call out was oh well the Gnostic texts there from like 300 ad.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm like, that's the versions that we found because they were literally going after them and destroying them.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It doesn't mean that they weren't copying those versions from earlier versions that could go back from as early as Jesus.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But yes, the versions we found that we were lucky enough to find because they were going after them so much and they were somehow miraculously preserved by bat poop apparently.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The Dead Sea Scrolls were like in jars and caves, but like the nama, they

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<v Rachael Loney>it was Fields, right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>it was like some

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<v Rachael Loney>Yeah.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>is underground and there was like bat poop preserving it, and somehow all this whole library of texts gets discovered, you know?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And somehow the church didn't quite get their hands on that one.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>'cause I think the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Vatican held them for 50 years before they released them to the public.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I think they were taking out all the things that would contradict what they teach and their narrative and, and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I don't even think they would've revealed it, but certain scholars were going after them.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>They're like, you have to publicly release this.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so they took their time.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>50 years.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's like, you know,

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<v Rachael Loney>Geez,

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>and I our

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<v Rachael Loney>I didn't know that.

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<v Rachael Loney>crazy.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So somehow, I don't think Na cama went through the same level, the church didn't seem to get its hands on it as much.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And, I remember before I even knew what the Dead Sea Scrolls were, people would be like, oh, the Dead Sea Scrolls confirm what the Bible says.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I think there are still some minor contradictions, but mainly it does kind of just.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Confirm, like you know, Judaism and all that history And I think that's convenient.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I think that's very convenient that it

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<v Rachael Loney>Mm-hmm.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>that they taught, you know,

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<v Rachael Loney>You know, the one thing I was thinking of when you were talking about, doing these practices, going back and reading the Bible and doing more research.

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<v Rachael Loney>The one thing that I have found that is so cool and amazing and Eckhart Toi really is the one who opened my eyes to this, but now when I go back and read Bible verses, it's like they have another meaning to them.

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<v Rachael Loney>So I can read the same exact verse.

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<v Rachael Loney>And you've done a few examples of this on your Instagram page, which I love, of like, oh my God, now I'm seeing this in a whole new way, in a whole different meaning.

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<v Rachael Loney>And it is beautiful.

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<v Rachael Loney>It just keeps unfolding in real time.

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<v Rachael Loney>The more I'm learning, the more I'm, discovering and it's crazy to me.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And that's exactly what esoteric is.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It's basically like there's a teaching beneath the general teaching, you know, it's funny.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>They take all the symbolic things literally, and then all the literal things symbolically, right?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It's like

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<v Rachael Loney>Yeah.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>saying like, oh, the IB one with you father.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And they and me, they're like, oh no, that's, that's not real.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm not one with God and Jesus.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm only a dirty sinner.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Like, how could I?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But then they'll take the most random things, literally, and it's like, guys, all the wires are crossed here, you know?

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part five.

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Awakening the Light Within Liz reflects on a meditative experience that sparked a deep dive in gnostic texts, cosmologies and lesser known theories about Jesus's spiritual path, drawing connections between biblical language and energetic awakening from Kundalini to Christ consciousness, she invites listeners to consider what it means to experience the divine from the inside out.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I actually did an entire live stream a couple months ago, which was so fun.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I was meditating a lot.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I don't know, God just kind of put it on my heart to do this.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'd never really done it before.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And honestly, I came to some connections.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>That's actually what made me delve deeper into the gnostic text again, because certain gospels had these very spiritual things where you're like, was Jesus pointing at something deeper?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You know, some actual literal awakening that can happen to you., You know, the, the Hindus talk about Kundalini, but the Christians have other names for it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And so I started diving deep into that and I was reading bible verses that I was like, oh my goodness, this is literally saying this.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I was able to compose almost three hours livestream is so fun to do.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And it was cool because I, I went into the context.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I was like, okay, here's varying cosmologies.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Here's Christianity, here's like gnostics, here's some new age, cosmology theories, like,

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<v Rachael Loney>Yeah.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And then here's some theories on Jesus.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Maybe he traveled through the east, maybe he had this influence.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And then we dive into like the gnostic text and, and then I broke it down of like.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Here's this message that I think Jesus was truly here to do.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>He was calling us to awaken a process within us.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>This, Christ within us might be a more literal, physical, awakening than we even think.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It's like sure.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>A consciousness, I like to think of His baptism.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It says, and the heavens open and the spirit of God descended upon him, enlightening, upon him like a dove.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But when you read it, it says it very clearly that it happened, within him, like he was seeing that

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<v Rachael Loney>Mm-hmm.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>everybody else.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>'cause every painting you see, it's like, oh, a literal

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<v Rachael Loney>It's happening.

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<v Rachael Loney>Yeah.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm like, no, that's how he was describing it because it happened inside and he's like, lightning and, and white light and a dove descending upon him.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm like, dude, that sounds like Kundalini awakening, like what the Hindus talk about the easterners through the chakra work and this energy rising and opening up through your third eye or through your crown chakra.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I'm like, there seems to be something connected here.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I think that's what Jesus really did.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>If he did travel through the east, then I think he came here to bridge the west and the east together.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And I, it's very likely he traveled, the Silk Road was a popular trade route.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>You know, the Dolores Cannon book points it as he traveled with his rich Uncle Joseph of Arimathea, the same guy who took him off the cross and put him in the cave.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>The rich man that was part of like the Sanhedrin or whatever at the time.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So there's likely that there's a relation between him and that he traveled with him and.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>don't know, you know, as a person who also I feel like was, you know, called to have a very deep spiritual path, I traveled a lot as a young child.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>My parents, you know, took me to Thailand.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>We went to, Egypt, we went to, Mexico.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>We went just to so many different countries with so many different cultures.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I experienced almost every religion and there's a part of me that was walking around just thinking how could all these people go to hell because they don't believe in what I believe in and entire country, you know?

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I feel like that opened me up.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And if Jesus was called to have a very spiritual path, it makes sense that he would explore and travel and be exposed to various ideas.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And then the teachings he brought back to Judea were so different than what anything they knew about in, you know, in Israel and Hebrew culture.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>He taught about, God being within and forgiveness and compassion and all these things that are much more aligned with Eastern So, very interesting.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>And you know, if anyone's interested in looking into that, I highly recommend it.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>'cause it can kind of fills like what she was saying, the Bible is either incomplete, you know, and it, it fills some holes and maybe they don't want you knowing that they don't want you thinking that he's aligned with Eastern theology because then, they wouldn't have all the answers of him and you would then start looking elsewhere and going outside of their little box.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>Right?

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<v Rachael Loney>Right, exactly.

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<v Rachael Loney>Well, Liz, thank you so much.

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<v Rachael Loney>You were just a wealth of knowledge.

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<v Rachael Loney>So I'm just gonna do a little plug for you real quick.

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<v Rachael Loney>So if you're on Instagram, go to at Lizbeth Rising, her platform is just this amazing wealth of knowledge.

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<v Rachael Loney>You go into all sorts of different topics and directions and really do deep dives.

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<v Rachael Loney>Um, check out her chakra group that she's starting.

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<v Rachael Loney>You can DM her to get some information on that.

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<v Rachael Loney>But oh my gosh, we so appreciate you taking time and would love to have you on again, because this was just fascinating.

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<v Rachael Loney>I feel like we could talk to you for hours.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I appreciate you guys.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I'm also on TikTok and I'm getting onto YouTube as Lizbeth Rising as well.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So I post various kinds of content on each platform.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>So you're gonna get a little different side of me everywhere that you look.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>But uh, yeah, I appreciate you guys so much.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>I had so much fun.

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<v Elizabeth Byrd>It was an honor, and I'm just so grateful to be connecting with more women who are part of the movement, you know, so thank you.

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Thanks for listening to part two of our conversation with Liz Bird.

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This episode brought forward ideas that Challenge convention highlight overlooked history, and offer a personal lens on spiritual growth.

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Whether you're deep into study or just beginning to ask new questions, we hope this dialogue opened up something useful.

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If you found this episode thought provoking, feel free to share it or reach out.

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We're always open to continuing the conversation.

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Until next time.