Radical Podcast - Ryan sits down with Former Clemson Football player Woodrow Dantzler lll

 Hey guys, this is Ryan Alford. Welcome to the Radical Company Podcast. I'm kind of geeking out today.
 I didn't tell him this. I was trying to keep it all together, but one of my just being a
 Clemson grad and graduating at the same time he was playing, you know, it's just a real honor
 and privilege to have Woody Dancer on the show today. I'm just really excited to have
 you Woody. I mean, you know, I had these flashbacks when, you know, we've been messaging
 on LinkedIn and talking, you know, it's like kind of that surreal moment. And I'm sure you get
 this a lot, but it's like thinking and coming up and, you know, I was born and raised in Clemson
 Pan and it Clemson the same time we were playing and, you know, sitting in the stands, like watching
 you run up and down the field or throw, you know, bombs to Mount Wallier. Yeah, yeah, like,
 an old man. You so thoughtful to him. Yeah, he's down there. He's down there in Charleston,
 months corner, back in his hometown doing some good things. But man, just throw the have you on
 the podcast. Let's throw the be here, man. I really appreciate your opportunity to sit down and
 just as you stated, have some good old conversation. Yeah, exactly. And that's what we do, you know,
 here on the podcast and just really excited to kind of get in talking, you know, I know there's
 people that a lot of come some people listen, because I'm a local Greenville guy and, you know,
 we're here local. So a lot of people know who you are, but I definitely want to give you that
 opportunity to talk about, you know, your story, you know, coming up with Clemson before and the
 things, you know, your involvement with you in organizations and to what you're doing today. So
 we're really excited that kind of get into all of that. I mean, what's, but we'll go backward,
 but let's just talk about what you put up to, man. I mean, you know, aside from being, you know,
 first job is being a husband and a father. Yeah. As you mentioned earlier, we're in October,
 we're 10 years as a married man, you know, and it's flown by. Yeah. My wife, Portia, now we have
 two beautiful girls, Trinity and Zoe, Trinity is the oldest, she's 16, Zoe is the younger one,
 she's 10. So doing that, I mean, that's, that's the fun part of my life. And then part two,
 I've been in sales for some time now, currently in pharmaceutical sales. And that's what I've been
 doing, I mean, that's what I was doing early this morning. And so with that on the wraps,
 pharmaceutical sales family, pharmaceutical sales, but then also I just launched my business.
 So I'm a business owner as well. And what I do primarily is focus around speaking,
 motivational speaking, encouraging individuals to be the best version of themselves.
 Also, what I'll be running under my business, dance with three will be some community service efforts
 as well as some youth programs that I've been putting together. So that's kind of a abbreviation
 of what's going on right now. It's a good time right now. It's good. There's two dollars,
 man. We talked about this. That's four boys. Yeah. What's it like being daddy?
 It's like, I don't know. I'd say it's a gift in the curse, but it's not. It is an awesome privilege
 to be a parent, especially when you're teaching and instilling something in your kids. And then you
 finally see that moment when they get it. And it's like, oh, man, you know, I did that.
 My wife are talking through some things and we identify something we're going to work on and we see
 the change made in our kids. It's just, it's a wonderful thing. Well, let's go back a little bit now.
 Quite a chromosome from 98, though, right?
 Kind of frank in there. I was at Clemson. Maybe give people kind of like, let's talk to
 the close notes version of before, you know, being an athlete going to Clemson, you know,
 kind of a synopsis of that experience. And then I'll both talk a little bit about the pro days.
 You know, we talked about before the perspective that, you know, athletes have it made, you know,
 like everything's laid out for them. But I know, you know, we've all had her ups and downs. But I
 want you to talk about that. But maybe talk about, you know, that background leading up at
 Clemson and then just kind of the synopsis of those Clemson days. I mean, it was right and high,
 man. I mean, you were a man. It's pretty interesting. And it shocks a lot of people when I talk about
 it, especially growing up. I was not the big sportsman. Honestly, it's still to this day. I'm not.
 So when I was in elementary school, middle school, high school, I didn't really know anything about
 Clemson or Carolina. Go up here in South Carolina. I knew about South Carolina State because that's
 in my hometown. Yeah. And you know, just one of those things. Hey, I play high school ball at OW. So
 we can go to the gate and cheer if we want to. So that's what that was about. It was going to
 go to those games. But next level plan college ball, it never really occurred to me until my senior
 year in high school because I know they start sending those letters out those questionnaires from
 different colleges. But my high school coach, he purposely kind of withheld those letters
 before I've seen your year. So he started, you know, giving them to us. I've seen your year and
 prepping us for those next steps. And then coach started coming in and talking to me and getting
 phone calls. And the reality of college started to really blossom. So that was kind of a nut shell
 me growing up. I just played ball because it was fun. I had me and my friends and we enjoyed doing it.
 That's what football was for me. So then got dug and got done there and then made a transition.
 I have to leave on very Wilkinson. Got a scholarship to go to Clemson, which was huge for me to be
 able to because outside of that scholarship, you know, I don't know how it's going to go to college,
 how it's going to get paid for, you know, so it's just one of those things of a great blessing.
 What about, talk about your time at Clemson. I mean, you know, I think everybody thinks
 I just remember the junior season being great, but then senior season, that was stressful,
 hasn't talked all that. Like, how do you summarize your Clemson experience now looking back?
 Like, was it everything that someone would think it would be as part of, you know, kind of be in,
 having that just amazing career that you had there. It's one of those things of like anything
 else. It's what you make it. And right before I left, left to go to school at Clemson,
 my dad gave me this statement because, you know, my dad now are really close and he was always
 giving me information and knowledge and wisdom. And one of the things he said before I left,
 he said, don't you go up there and be just a football player. So I took that as, you know,
 take advantage of the opportunity you have. You know, don't just sit in that bubble. If I'm an
 athlete, you know, go to school, you know, take full advantage of the academic side. So I was able
 to not only be very involved, you know, as an athlete, I was very involved in student council,
 you know, multicultural affairs, you know, I was in different departments, meet different people
 understanding different aspects of the college, like different majors. So it was, it really grew me
 up a lot, especially coming from OW, you know, we joke around and say, well, W stands for one white
 predominantly black high school and then going into a university where now I'm the minority.
 It was, it was, it was a great experience for me. What do you see? How much has it changed?
 Because like now it seems like with the internet and social media and like when I was at Clemson,
 you know, like I was a huge Clems of Pan, I'm going to Clemson, you know, it was, I was in that bubble.
 But there wasn't social media, the internet was just kind of getting, you know, we had email and
 like some stuff. But in 2009, it was just starting to get moving. Right. You know, but now
 with these players and like the news cycle, it feels like everything's out there and the attention
 is even more and all that. Like do you think about like those differences, I mean, at all, like do
 you think it truly is different now? Like are they, is it more like they're superstars now?
 Like it's the great players, the Dishans and you know, now Trevor and all that. Or you think,
 you see parallels even to the same like of how big, how that bubble was and how the attention is,
 like you see differences there. Yeah, it is a huge difference not from a playing standpoint,
 but just from the quote unquote accessibility, you know, social media gives the fan more access
 to the player and to the different people that they want to connect with. It feels like this,
 like social media now has turned sports into a reality show. Yeah. If I want to see what's going
 on on my favorite player, I follow them on Twitter, I follow them on Instagram or whatever social media.
 So now I can see if this individual who I like to watch is somewhere over on the other side of
 the country, touring Africa, I get to be a part of that because I see a picture on screen. And it's
 just it's just a way of bringing the fans in and connecting the player to the fan. So it has
 this good and it has this bad. So I'm not really a social media person. I just got on social media
 for the sake of my business a couple of months ago. So I'm really a private person. But it's just
 it's one of those things. It's what you make of as I mentioned earlier and if you navigate it
 properly, you know, they can do some good for you. But not a lot of people use it right.
 That's for sure. Talk to me a little bit about like that senior season and maybe maybe something,
 you know, as far as people know, which is all the stats and all that, was it?
 Did you feel the pressure like was it as much of a spotlight as it seemed? And then maybe
 something like a misconception from all that, you know, of what was to come from it. Like,
 you know, like, did you? Was the pressure on? You were senior, did you feel it? Because you
 strike me as like, you don't really, like you said, you weren't in the sports like it's almost like
 you were in your own bubble. You have so many other interests outside of sports and football and
 you're so much more dynamic than just sports guy. You know, there's just live, I see that. But like
 at the same time, I mean, we're talking high as a candidate, like, you know, like, what was that
 like? Well, that external stuff was not a big deal to me, honestly. The biggest issue that I had
 to fight and I fight still to this day was my own stuff, you know, you would think you would look
 at an individual such as myself and you'll see me out there on the field doing different things.
 I'm standing in front of a crowd and I'm speaking words of encouragement. You would never know that
 I'm a pretty insecure guy. So just relating it to Clemson, you know, you have a good game, you know,
 after the game, a lot of times I was not enjoying the win or the success of the game because now all
 of a sudden I'm in my head saying, oh my god, I had a good game. I don't know if I can do it again
 next week. What if I'll do it again next week? Will they bench me? Will I lose my, so all these things
 are going through my head. But again, what I learned from that is, you know, just being up talking
 things with my dad and just being able to, okay, this is a situation. So what I'm going to do,
 I'm going to prepare like no other so that when my next opportunity comes, I'm ready to do it again.
 So I let those insecurities drive me and focus me on, you know, really truly preparing and making
 myself able to do it again. So we finished Clemson. I mean, is there just these assumptions?
 Like I think, you know, being fans and being outside looking at it, there's a assumption with someone
 like yourself who's so gifted, athletically. What are we doing right now? You know, got it made,
 you know, that's what you did. Talk about Post Clemson. Was it kind of like what now or like you
 started? I mean, you had, I'm sure, did you do the calm mind? Yes, yeah, you did the calm mind,
 you know, you did that, you got involved. Talk about Post Clemson that that time period and kind
 of what was going through your mind and what transpired, what did you transpire?
 Well, I was in a very, very peaceful place coming, coming out of Clemson. Because again,
 football wasn't my lifeline. Yeah. It was, it was a, it was a means to an end and I had, I had
 thankful to a man by the name of Darren Bruce, who came in with Tommy Bowen and his staff and he
 really introduced me to Jesus for real. So in 1999, you know, I started walking with Jesus
 and this whole, my whole mind frame shifted even the more. So now I figured out how the reason why,
 you know, I enjoy playing ball, but I wasn't all wrapped up in it. I was given a gift for a reason.
 So I can go out there and play ball, make it through, make great plays, but it was for another
 purpose. So going through that whole process, it was like, okay, God, I'm just going to see
 where you're going to take me next. So I'm going through the calm mind process. I'm having a ball.
 There's no pressure on me. There's no stress on me. I'm meeting people. I'm competing. You know,
 it was just a blast because I was just in such a peaceful place because I knew that this
 game of football was going to take me somewhere else outside of football. So I was just going to ride
 the wave as long as I was going to be on that wave until this time to step off the surf board.
 What do players feel like? You know, you're obviously a star and
 but you know, you win a couple of different rounds and NFL, you know, you play with the Cowboys,
 play with the Falcons, right, in play, safety, a little running back. That's the reason.
 Thank you, Bill. But no, it was good. Again, like I was in a peaceful place. So I was able to,
 maybe a couple of years before that, I wouldn't have been in the right headspace to be able to do
 that because I understood that the purpose was outside of, you know, what I really wanted to do.
 So they asked me, a matter of fact, going into the senior bowl after my senior year, I didn't
 find out I was going to be playing running back in the senior bowl until a week before.
 You know, it was an agent that was trying to recruit me, actually called me and told me that
 I had no clue that that was going down. So it was just one of those things of being able to
 shift your mindset and just be adaptable. So it taught me change again, because I already had
 to work at the, to be able to really work on it. But yes, I ran it all over, but it's a different
 dynamic, being a true running back and being able to just, you know, take off and run our, especially
 design, QB run. It's a whole different dynamic, taking the hand off blocking. I mean, all that
 stuff is just different. It's a matter of setting my mindset to say, you know what, it's a challenge.
 Let's go see what's going to happen. So it was, it was, it was fun. So, you know,
 what players feel like when they're finished playing and maybe they're kind of those friend
 athletes that are first round rapics, you know, but my, they're kind of on that
 mind of my convey to can't make it. I think the outside looking in, we just think that
 athletes have a mate, right, they're set up for life, you know, because either they're going to be
 given all the exact, you know, free jobs or free experiences or they're going to make it NFL.
 I've learned that that's not okay. No, but I love that you're perspective on, you know,
 people's assumptions. People's, it's just like anything else. A lot of people assume and think
 they know because of what they see. I like, it was a show. I can't remember the name of it,
 but it was the worst, the worst representation of the national football league ever. I mean,
 it was, and you had people actually believe in football was about playing ball on Sunday,
 and then spending time having sex with girls and drinking and doing drugs. They, because they
 saw it on the TV show. No, it was before ballers. So, I think, I'm not coupable. It's the Omar
 Gooden was, you want to lead at it. But anyway, it's just what, it all depends on that individual
 player, you know, who's been speaking into their life, who's been preparing them, how much they
 identify themselves with football, because some people, they find their identity in football,
 and when that doesn't work out, you know, it's almost a state of depression. And then even outside
 of that, those who are successful, a lot of individuals don't know how to transfer those,
 the skill set that they have from football into the business world. So, it's a whole different
 dynamic. It's just being able to be able to shift your mindset and shift your mode of operation
 to transition. Not a lot of, not many people know how to transition. You know, such as myself,
 I didn't know how to transition when I came out. I still really didn't know what I wanted to do
 when I got done playing ball. That's probably why I stuck in it for so long, because I just didn't
 really know exactly what are how to do it. So, just being a part of a group, you know, Clemson is
 doing a great job right now, with Shot Hall, Big Shot Out, he's doing a great job with that program,
 along with Jeff Davis and Paul Vision, actually getting these guys prepared for, hey, not everybody's
 going to NFL. Even if you do go to NFL, you need a next step after you're done playing. So,
 these guys are really being prepared now for life after football. And when I was there, we just,
 we just have that support system. And a lot of individuals still don't have that support system.
 So, when they come out, a lot of time, they crash and burn, which is sad. Yeah.
 Trend, good transition. Like, it seems like Clemson's got it going on right now. I mean, like,
 look, they want you to have titles and the success and speak for itself. But from being
 Clemson guy, what that was doing, players in the, you know, he's building it from the inside out.
 It really seems that way. And, you know, talk about like what you're seeing, I mean,
 facilities are incredible. Like, it's almost like, yeah, they're reaping the rewards now, but it wasn't,
 you know, 2009, I think, went after Gover, it wasn't like that. But what's, as a former player,
 knowing, you know, your experience, seeing the successes, now seeing the things you're doing now,
 what's kind of your perspective on all that. It's just one of those things up. It's just the simple
 last, you know, one of the things that charity starts at home, all with any great move and it
 start with oneself. So, when Coach Swinney was able to take over, he began to recruit guys and
 actually develop the individual. So, the individual, yes, they're a part of a team, but the
 individual player is being developed as well. So, it's not just the aspect of, you know,
 it just comes in football, but once you get the right players in the right position, you develop
 them properly, they all fit into that puzzle. And now you see the beautiful picture. So, that's
 what you see. It takes a while to get these some guys make it. Some guys don't. So, you got to
 figure out who's going to fit in your puzzle and then go from there. But the first, I think,
 the biggest thing that is an attribute of Coach Swinney is he's developing men. So, you look at
 their graduation rate. I mean, it is up there with schools such as Stanford, you know, I mean,
 that's nothing to sneeze at. I think it's like almost 99, 98% graduation rate. And guys who don't
 graduate end up coming back and getting their degree, you know. So, I mean, it's a beautiful
 thing because now these guys are the full student athlete. I'm not just coming here to play ball.
 I'm coming here to get my education. I'm coming here to grow as a man and I'm being prepared
 for society once I leave Clemson. And that's the big thing. You got good quality guys that come in
 and they buy into the program and they focus on what they need to do to, you know, be the best
 person they can possibly be. So, they can make the team the best team they can possibly be.
 So, that's what he's done and you see it. Because again, it even branches out from athletics,
 you know, it's into the university now. Students, regular students take pride in Clemson
 University. So, now they're even pushing the envelope to exceed and just their individual majors
 because of that pawn and pride they have in the orange and white. So, it's a beautifully
 infectious thing. Yeah, I get around with some of my friends. I'm like, I can get into Clemson now.
 Oh, I don't know. I couldn't get into Clemson right now. But, yeah, she's the brain
 I know. My SATs and my grades were okay. I mean, I'm just a bee student. I don't think
 it'd make the cut now. Well, it's so compelling. That's nothing. Being able to sit and serve on
 on the board of visitors and you get to hear the different dynamics of Clemson University,
 you know, how the university operates as a public university, you know, from, you know,
 the digital sides, the business side, the, I mean, it's just so many interwoven parts to be
 able to sit in those meetings and listen to them go through different things. They have Coach
 Clemson. I'm not a coach, but I'm President Clemson coming talk through some different things.
 It's amazing. The stuff that goes on, you know, from building funds and raising money and
 all how that ties into Clemson University. And as you were speaking, just talking about
 admissions, you know, the average SAT being over 1300, you know, grade point average. Now,
 you got to make sure you get into these AP classes and college so you can excel past, you know,
 a 4.0 is not 3.8. That's no, you need about a, you know, 4.5, 4.8 somewhere up in there to be
 considered and to get in is that competitive to get into Clemson. That money must be spread
 around, is that I'm part of class, last week for X's Monday. I made that together.
 Social media class over there. And I drove by and they've got a new right in front of
 the president's house. That new facility for students is like a gym and like, I don't know how
 it's done. Oh yeah, I knew you saw him out. Yeah, whatever that building is, that wasn't there.
 That's the, that's a new dorm. And as it has, it has their fitness center in there. So
 it's nice. I mean, that was a house. I think, yeah, I was over there and they beat all that down
 and when something else was over there, they tore down. But yeah, it is, it is coming up.
 How much time have you spent in the new facilities like the football facilities?
 I was running it because part of my territory is Clemson. So if I have time while I'm working,
 I might stop in there. If I don't have a lunch that day, I may go over there and work out. And
 I'm part of the Tiger Hood program, which is a program where former athletes mentor current
 athletes. So I get to spend some time with some of the guys and, you know, really speaking to their
 lives and, you know, helped them along the journey that I've already been on. A lot of these
 guys are so far along and where I was. It's just amazing. It's good to see and good to hear.
 You know, I learned a lot from them. Just sit down in just casual conversations.
 Is it, is it as ridiculous? Like, I haven't been in it and I've just seen the
 USPM views. Is it out there? I don't think so. Okay. I think it's something out there for the
 state of South Carolina. Okay. So I mean, you go over and you think about Oregon's facilities.
 I mean, they've had this stuff for a while now. Yeah. It's just something new for
 for the state of South Carolina Clemson University. So it was, you know, calling it dab on land.
 I mean, I'm not going to take a thing away from it. It is a, it is a state of art deal. I went
 over there. I don't know. One other day and I saw they got these little pods in there. What
 you got? The massage chairs and the nap room and all that. Yeah. I mean, it is, it is definitely
 amazing. Well, I don't, I don't think it's that, not that is not that amazing, but I think they
 over-hyper do what it is. It's still on a grand building, but there's just something new.
 So what are we up to now, man? I mean, you talk about the beginning, but like, what,
 where are you going to go? I mean, like, you know, there's such a piece about you, but at the same
 time I feel the drive and you really make a difference. Yeah. So what are those passion points
 and where are we headed? Yeah, those passion points for me is I love people. You know, that's
 why I got into sales. It gave me, especially pharmaceutical sales. It gave me the ability to put
 two of my passions together, you know, my philanthropy side and helping people, especially one of my
 medications is migraines. I got a medication that helped people with migraines. If you know
 anybody who's some from migraines, they are debilitating. So being able to get in there and
 talk to doctors and get them to prescribe my medicine. And then here are success stories how
 people are re-engaging in life because of a medicine that I carried and I was able to
 clearly articulate enough to them to have confidence to write my medication. You know, that is
 huge, but then also that sales side gets you back into that drive to be the best that you could
 possibly be. Making sure I know how to pronounce the words and understand the disease state
 and the different aspects of my job, you know, making sure I'm the best
 hurt salesperson that I can be so I can perform good for my team and my company. So all that
 runs together and then outside of that, the whole, I've been, when I talked about the setup with
 football and sports, you know, that gave me a platform. So now, as you mentioned, people here
 to name Woody Dancerler and then they come to see Woody Dancer, but then they end up meeting
 Jesus and on top of that, they get some words of encouragement that will light that fire in
 them so they can go out and be the great person that they've been created to be because I kind of
 call myself as the friction that likes to match and sometimes people just need to know and feel
 that they can because a lot of people's background, it's been one of despair, it's been one of
 just getting by and okay is enough, you know, really want to push people into greatness.
 You know, they always talk about the 1%, the 1% on the top, epsilon of people and there's really
 no difference between the two, it's just that ability to really focus in on what I want to get
 accomplished and do exactly what I need to do to get it done without taking those days off.
 That's awesome, man. I mean, I know you're doing speaking a different thing.
 Is there things on the agenda in the rest of the year like if people want, you know, to have
 Woody Dancer speak, like talk about, you know, any other plans to speak the rest of the year
 and then how someone might would feel about finding you for speaking nonsense.
 Right, well, it's pretty simple to find me now like that and I want social media.
 Right, exactly. So I'm on LinkedIn, you know, you can search your own LinkedIn
 and also I have a, I have a business page on Facebook, also on Instagram. So I can be found there
 and information for info at danceler3.com. Shoot me an email about the event, we'll respond and
 we'll get everything set up. So it's really just that simple contact me through that email info
 at danceler3.com. And danceler is my last thing with ii, that's the, that's the three part of it.
 .com and then social media and find, be found on Facebook and LinkedIn as well as Instagram.
 And then put in the request and we'll, we'll go from there. It's just,
 do you get involved with any of the other players? Like, you know, we, you know,
 was it Taj Boyz event? You know, it's fundraiser a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, we're going to be
 helping him with some stuff. And you know, do you get involved with other players?
 Oh, yes. It's, it's a brotherhood. We want one of the things that we've committed to do
 is, especially former clubs in Africa, I just happened in general to support one another and
 whatever endeavors that, excuse me, that we're doing. I actually would have been to that event
 myself, but I actually had a speaking engagement that night. So I missed it. But, um, yes, we
 definitely stay close, we stay tuned into what the events one another got to have going on.
 And we, we do our best to support one way or the other. Yeah. Is there, um,
 any of the current players that, uh, how, how close do you stay to like, you follow up
 like the recruiting like current players? No, I don't do the recruiter. I think that's,
 I'm, I'm not a fan of the whole recruiting thing. I said, I guess I'm necessarily
 the butt animal. It is, it is just so far fragile. Once the guys get there, you know, I'm able to
 build relationships and talk with them and you play around your radar that we need to look out
 for. Under there, and nobody's under the radar anymore, but like, can there be a social media,
 but are you, anybody you're hearing names about ever closer to the inside tips?
 Actually, there are a few guys on that team, because you sit there and you say, well, they're
 losing on the deadline and losing here. Who's going to replace? They got guys to replace.
 I'm just going to say that and just keep your eyes open and you're going to be like,
 I'm the one to keep doing this. Don't miss the stuff. Yeah. I'm going to miss the stuff, you know.
 I'm going to change all of this. Yeah. For my big thing with that also, I mean, the talent,
 obviously, is there, but I always, because people always have, hey, they could just go do this
 year. And I always say, you know what? I don't really know. They have the potential too,
 but I am the one to see, because once moving parts are taken out, I like to see who's going to
 step up into that leadership role. And I want to see what this new team dynamic is going to look
 like. And then as I see them over the summers, and I see them, you know, through spring over the
 summer, and then you see them as a year starts, and you kind of see what that team's going to be,
 then you get a better predictor, because talent is, and always, always the best, what you call it.
 The best predictor. There you go. That's what I'm looking for. Talent isn't it? Because I said,
 they have the talent. And just I want to see who's going to step up be that leader and how the
 rest of the guys are going to fall into their places and how they're going to perform as a team.
 Well, I can't wait to stay connected to the board, you know, like getting to know each other better.
 Yes, yes. Seeing how radical maybe can't help you with some things and just, you know, help
 them tell your story and then involve with you. I can't be more appreciative of you coming on
 the podcast and putting forward some kind of this being the beginning.
 Yes, it definitely is the beginning now. We've got to once through this
 cut saw, we're going to set a time to meet again and get moving on the process, because I think
 there's a lot that we can continue to do together. Yeah, man. Well, I really appreciate you being on.
 What he gave all the places that you can keep up with him. I want to reach out for speaking
 engagements. I mean, this guy is upstanding as they are and just couldn't be more excited
 about having Woody on today in the future. But this is Ryan Offer for the Radical Company
 podcast and we'll talk to you soon.