Mystery of Divine Incarnations | Swami Satyamayananda

[SPEAKER_01]: Good morning everybody and welcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: We welcome today, a speaker who is very well known to us here at the Vedanta Society of New York, Swami Satya Mayanandaji.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had the good fortune of welcoming Swamiji as guest minister in 2019 for six weeks while Swamiji Sava Piananda was at Harvard and we loved having him here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Swami Sajrmaya Nanda is the President and Minister in charge of the Verdance Society of Western Washington.
[SPEAKER_01]: Swami Ji first joined the Ramakrishna Order at the Viteru Shrama, Kolkata India in 1988, and is an initiated disciple of revered Swami Bhutatya Nanda, the 12th President of the Order.
[SPEAKER_01]: He served in various capacities at Advaita Ashrama, and in 2008, he joined the Probationist Training Center at Belomatt as Nacharya.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 2010, the Swami was posted to Advaita Ashrama myervity to serve as editor of Prabhupada Bharata or awakened India.
[SPEAKER_01]: an English language magazine of the Ramakrishna order started by Swami Giver Kananda.
[SPEAKER_01]: in 1896.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 2014, he was appointed head of the Ramakrishna Mission, Ashwama in Kampor India, and in 2018, he came to the United States, where he joined the Vedanta Society of Southern California as Assistant Minister.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 2022, he was assigned to the Vedanta Society of Western
[SPEAKER_01]: The title of his talk today is Mystery of Divine Encarnations, Swamiji.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stapakaya chudarmasya, sarva-dharmasvarupini, avatarva-rishthaya, Ramakrishna, yotidna-maham.
[SPEAKER_06]: Saluteations to Bhagwan Ramakrishna, the embodiment of all dermas and who establishes all dermas.
[SPEAKER_06]: He, who is the best of the avatars.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, Diane, for the kind words, and it was nice to meet some of the old friends after six years.
[SPEAKER_06]: New York is always a delightful place.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because this city hosted such great souls of such magnitude, just it's incomprehensible to ordinary intellect Swami Vivekananda, Swami Abhayadananda, Swami Turyananda, Swami Shardaanda,
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean the galaxy was here and that's why I think till the end of these long-term spiritual traditions, New York will always be there and remembered for that the people of the world will be ever grateful.
[SPEAKER_06]: So here we are in New York and
[SPEAKER_06]: As Diane mentions, an old friend, we have kept in touch infrequently, but we were there.
[SPEAKER_06]: The mystery of divine incarnations and everybody likes mysteries.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know why?
[SPEAKER_06]: Life itself is mysterious.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's the fun part of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: If it was an open and closed case, we wouldn't be even looking for answers, but an avatar comes, not just as a mysterious phenomena, but to give us a glimpse into
[SPEAKER_06]: not only an avatar's descent, that's what it technically means, but to give us a glimpse into what existences and most importantly what we are.
[SPEAKER_06]: religions of the world.
[SPEAKER_06]: Every religion has dealt with it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hinduism from the very bignings.
[SPEAKER_06]: There were some special souls that were shockingly super humans, that's a better way.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it had to deal with it.
[SPEAKER_06]: The earliest doctrines were those merged in nature.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was called a prakriti-layapurishas.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a doctrine that people highly evolved souls, instead of merging
[SPEAKER_06]: and for the time being merged in nature, called Prakriti.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the emerge out in the next cycle as world leaders of governors, because they know the secrets of nature at its fundamental level.
[SPEAKER_06]: They know all the powers and they can manipulate those powers.
[SPEAKER_06]: They were also called later the Aricharaka Purushas, though one who had authority because they spoke with authority and that is the distinguishing feature of incarnations, take incarnations out and religion is just an empty shell.
[SPEAKER_06]: They dominate the scriptures, they dominate religions, they dominate everything in religion.
[SPEAKER_06]: The geology, the philosophy, the ethics, the morality, everything.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then they dominate the arts and the sciences and the music and the dance, everything as evolved, keeping an avatar
[SPEAKER_06]: The mystery is how does the infinite become the finite and that every philosophy has tried to answer this question and it will persist to the very end of time.
[SPEAKER_06]: The very idea that infinite becomes a finite is contradictory.
[SPEAKER_06]: If it does, it will lose the status as infinite.
[SPEAKER_06]: How does this come?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it compressed?
[SPEAKER_06]: What happens?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it broken up in parts?
[SPEAKER_06]: Infinite cannot be compressed, broken up in parts, and that will
[SPEAKER_06]: and yet, and yet, it does seem to happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sri Ram Krishna says, I saw such done on the come out of this body and say, I incarnate in every age.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, note the words.
[SPEAKER_06]: I saw such an under, you and New York have familiar with these terms, I don't need to elaborate.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's the reality, saying incarnates, in every age, that means it's not a one-time
[SPEAKER_06]: that has been shrouded in mystery and in mystery and it gets deeper and deeper and deeper.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, we have this incarnation.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, how do we wake up there is very clear?
[SPEAKER_06]: You can know the reality of God only through one incarnation.
[SPEAKER_06]: And people have been trying, but getting hold of holding on to an incarnation, it becomes much easier.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the funny side of the picture is, you begin with an incarnation or an idea of a personal
[SPEAKER_06]: and then the reset you come back from where you started.
[SPEAKER_06]: In every saint or every realized so-called souls, after the highest, they have tremendous veneration for the personal God.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we don't need to dismiss it because we've seen something of what is called absolute.
[SPEAKER_06]: Another aspect is saying, I incarnate in every age.
[SPEAKER_06]: It means only one thing that avatars also evolve.
[SPEAKER_06]: If everything evolves,
[SPEAKER_06]: If Wallis and Darwin said everything evolves, which even the whole Sankhya philosopher spoke about evolution, a subcardiobar, everything evolves, you meet everything, soul's evolved, the world evolves, situation's evolved, and so then avatar also evolves.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a nice thing, because if it happens once and whatever happens one has to be repeated, otherwise it's going to be unnatural.
[SPEAKER_06]: There will be claims and claims and will.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like in Christianity, they've got just one.
[SPEAKER_06]: We have a plethora.
[SPEAKER_06]: The more the merrier.
[SPEAKER_06]: these people don't like variations, does an incarnation evolve change, the message does, adapted to the growing needs of that age, so we've got one part of the mystery tied up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Another thing is, in the scriptures, you get a host of so-called
[SPEAKER_06]: designations of an avatar.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's strange that we have partial, we have full, we have a part, and there are more than 20 designations.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes this God has descended, sometimes that God has descended, it's just one God, according to the needs.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's not just the one principle of the incarnating, but there seems to be other incarnations also.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the strangest thing is, at times they come together.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've seen it in the life of Sri Ramakrishna, we've seen it in the lives of other incarnations too.
[SPEAKER_06]: They come with tremendous powers, the disciples, they come as disciples or co-workers, and they catch the first rush of the divine incarnations powers and then slowly let it trickle down to us.
[SPEAKER_06]: the brick, the very force of that and let it down to us.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, the Bhagavatam says, the incarnations are innumerable, thank God for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, we don't have any problems with this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Shankaracharya, in his,
[SPEAKER_06]: study of the Gita in the introduction itself, he makes it a beautiful passage, but he says that incarnation endowed with knowledge, subvenity, power, strength, valor, and formidableity,
[SPEAKER_06]: which naturally belongs to him, Vishnu, and is as if born, Jata Iva, Lokannu Gramkuru Iva, Lakshitae, as if is born.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is the doctrine of, and of the, from the standpoint of non-dualism.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the entire commentary on the Bhagavad-gītā is an elaboration of his opening notes in the introduction.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is difficult for a dualist to stomach.
[SPEAKER_06]: What do you mean as if, as a god, as if he comes?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: but we forget that non-dualism also speaks about the world is as if and the souls are as zif.
[SPEAKER_06]: We just zero in on earth and incarnation is as if but everything is as zif.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it makes perfect sense to have something like this because the Bhagavad-gita itself says, though I am worthless and decaying in a lot of all beings, still by subjugating my nature,
[SPEAKER_06]: as one of my favorite verses, which my guru used to, in some of his talks he used to, a Jopi, son of Veyatma, etc.
[SPEAKER_06]: He also says, many lives of yours, Arjuna have passed, including mine.
[SPEAKER_06]: You do not know them, I know all of them.
[SPEAKER_06]: So here it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's a question of things evolving and evolving.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, when we come down to what an avatar does, first of the energizes everything.
[SPEAKER_06]: Doesn't look like kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, a spiritual rejuvenation takes place.
[SPEAKER_06]: their acclaims and remember, whenever this claims in any religion run away from it, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: And take for instance, there are a couple of incarnations of Jesus Christ, but for them
[SPEAKER_06]: But what is an avatar, Swami Vivekananda explains, like when we are born, we run through a whole evolutionary history.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you see the fetus, it's something like that, you're on a child with born and the first child is like a savage.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can see the cute little savages.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you can say they'll crush the butterfly under the feet.
[SPEAKER_06]: We run through the entire stages of human evolutionary history and then we come and then we push it, try to push it collectively, further.
[SPEAKER_06]: and we all are doing that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Running through the entire state, you just cannot drop out of the sky, sorry, including a body.
[SPEAKER_06]: People ask me, how old are you?
[SPEAKER_06]: I said 13.8 billion years.
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
[SPEAKER_06]: That is the age of the universe.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what you are, and people are surprised, they read what astronomers astrologers say and then they don't apply it here.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's the same material, those stars had to tie so that you will be born, or the famous astronomer says that.
[SPEAKER_06]: You are ancient and you suddenly feel, who I am so new?
[SPEAKER_06]: What you've been coming here in New World times and this comes, there is something that's hiding it, this knowledge from us.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if you know, well, so everyone of us runs through the entire gamut of human history.
[SPEAKER_06]: evolutionary history in all forms, where there is biological, a physical order, we come to the end, and that is where we stop.
[SPEAKER_06]: When an avatar is born, he also runs to the entire gamut of evolutionary history and goes to the very end of the future and shows us where humanity is going to reach
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe after half a million, maybe 2 million, maybe 5 million, we don't know, but he'll show the entire, the past, present and the future.
[SPEAKER_06]: That makes an avatar, the ideal, the icon, that is the one thing that we need to embody.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, so much for your embodiment, you don't, and people say, Swami, I am feeling so lonely, I am feeling so unloved.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look at your own history and you will be amazed yourself, you might go running around dancing, if you knew what you, and if you scratched the surface of a mind, this is not the mind that they are going to do anything for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: spirituality at least.
[SPEAKER_06]: You are just, on the surface of things, you scratch the surface and look down, you are air to innumerable dimensions within, you are not aware of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: A brain is not designed
[SPEAKER_06]: this consciousness is not designed to understand the depths just impossible like you say okay I was asking Jim this morning what's the population of New York City 8.5 and plus plus plus etc.
[SPEAKER_06]: For me it's just a kind of a statistic a brain can't comprehend anything more than 10,000
[SPEAKER_06]: There is an emotional response to 10,000, a little more if you are a brainy.
[SPEAKER_06]: But after that, there is no emotional response, this is the statistician number.
[SPEAKER_06]: So this awareness and you make such a big thing of your awareness, sorry, we just
[SPEAKER_06]: can get anything out of this.
[SPEAKER_06]: It has to be distilled, it has to be purified, it has to be concentrated, then you have a key.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, again the Avatar lives the life of humanity.
[SPEAKER_06]: He lives the life of your mind and the future humanity also.
[SPEAKER_06]: He lives the life of the past humanity, the present humanity and the future humanity.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is what an Avatar does.
[SPEAKER_06]: Holy Mother says, I think Shiraaf is not came to eat some Rasghulahs and dance about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: When you read between the lines, then you understand, what was that he did, and the impact is going to last
[SPEAKER_06]: until his ideals are actualized.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to be there for all the times.
[SPEAKER_06]: So much for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So.
[SPEAKER_06]: Coming down to a little less philosophical things, another indication of an avatar is, Swami is says, He cancels the doom of humanity, He is called the Kapala-Muchana.
[SPEAKER_06]: Kapala is this forehead, you know,
[SPEAKER_06]: People can read the for a, that's an easier way than to reading palms and your souls, etc.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Motion is to clean, to wipe clean.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Swami, you can answer, he wipes the doom of people.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that is another mission of phenomena.
[SPEAKER_06]: It comes, he also says,
[SPEAKER_06]: Army for us, Danga, that is, I am the French Quarter.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, there was, in India, there were a lot of western powers, wine, for control.
[SPEAKER_06]: Denmark came and the Dutch comes and then the British, and the Spanish, and the Portuguese, and the French, and they were having a slump face there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we were kept in watching, hey, what's this?
[SPEAKER_06]: So there were some revolutionaries in the British Quarter.
[SPEAKER_06]: They used to do something and run to the French Quarter.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the French Quarter, the French laws, and the French will not want to let them go.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there was, they used to be Scott Frey.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you do whatever you want, Sri Lanka is not saying, you come to me and you'll be free.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there's a problem, no, oh, I've done so many mistakes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's a good thing that you do to all those mistakes.
[SPEAKER_06]: At least now you understand that you are finally vulnerable, weak, and human.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now come to me, and all those things not going to catch you.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, an avatar descends why for us to ascend?
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, what is it comes in and so what?
[SPEAKER_06]: Going to raise the human mind.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what has come.
[SPEAKER_06]: You also notice that when a ever and avatar comes, fair about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: He becomes what is called Arjuna Murathi, a worshipful form, a form that is worshiped.
[SPEAKER_06]: It subconsciouss the idea of worship is, if formalized later, but it's very innate in us.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we look at that image, the icon, and we feel the kind of idea of the sacred
[SPEAKER_06]: becomes that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Every avatar becomes a worshipful form.
[SPEAKER_06]: And avatar also, I say, is the door to infinity.
[SPEAKER_06]: I say, Ram Kṛṣṇa, I say, he says, yeah, so like a kind of hole in the wall, you can see the other side.
[SPEAKER_06]: He also, or she also, I'm sorry about this, mis-gendering and gendering and all that.
[SPEAKER_06]: People are a little sensitive, I know, including me, of course, but in whole habits.
[SPEAKER_06]: It becomes a history with a form that is not only worship, but is the God of this age, a chosen deity.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he looks at his picture and saying, this form will be worshipped in every home as time passed by.
[SPEAKER_07]: There.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's inevitable.
[SPEAKER_06]: He will be worshipped.
[SPEAKER_06]: It has to be worshipped.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so, what does an avatar do, et cetera?
[SPEAKER_06]: For the mundane, let's put it like this.
[SPEAKER_06]: It starts a new religious tradition, you find it in Christianity, you will find it in Buddhism, you will find it in Jainism, you will find it everywhere, that in Islam there is no concept of an incarnation, it is kind of a pygum or a prophet, that is the reason why I can, or a new religious tradition has begun.
[SPEAKER_06]: I said, bring along some associates, kind of a re-hashed from the past.
[SPEAKER_06]: He looks at Swami Shardhana and the Ram Krishna and the O, they were the companions of Christ in the previous incarnation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, He was Arjuna.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, He was this.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, what's this?
[SPEAKER_06]: What's happening here?
[SPEAKER_06]: It looks like the whole team has returned back.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, there's a, there's a football match there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_06]: And also, every avatar, in fact, they say, I come not to destroy but to fulfill all the old scriptures, not one incarnation comes and contradicts old scriptures, old teachings, never.
[SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if it does, remember there is something called fake there.
[SPEAKER_06]: We used to read all these tales from the Ramayana, the Mahabharata and all these mythology.
[SPEAKER_06]: Today we have a very rational, we want to have a rational approach to God.
[SPEAKER_06]: There is no rationality, and if it is just a smattering of it, we are generally, we understand this world through mythology.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's why when you go and watch Superman or Batman and all these things you enjoy, it why is there any rationality in that you like Mickey Mouse and all what?
[SPEAKER_06]: What's this?
[SPEAKER_06]: Your very thought processes are mythological and it cannot be otherwise.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we don't need to dismiss
[SPEAKER_06]: that an avatar establishes and re-authenticates all the old metallurgies also.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's a, as I said, is a kind of a constant evolution.
[SPEAKER_06]: There has to be continuity.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you come today and say,
[SPEAKER_06]: I look at you and say, what's I'll try to see the continuity, the missing links, the thread.
[SPEAKER_06]: Something just doesn't come out of the skies.
[SPEAKER_06]: Get this out of your head.
[SPEAKER_06]: You have worked for it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And not only you, others also have worked for your enlightenment.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you will have to see the entire length, the hidden factors, and one of those factors is there is a tradition, and you must be within that tradition, because everything is
[SPEAKER_06]: hardly anything is in the books.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, we have read this book, we have read that book and read the book.
[SPEAKER_06]: Keep on reading, I tell them, keep on reading and after that keep on meditating because 90% according to me is not in books.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sri Ram Krishna says, he has the Almanac predicts rainfall for so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-so-and-
[SPEAKER_06]: So, along with reading, one must be able to meditate and meditate according to the past masters, those who have thoughters, those techniques, it's nothing but it's a line of
[SPEAKER_06]: So, then Avatar comes and powers all paths to liberation.
[SPEAKER_06]: There is no favoritism here, oh, I am here, only for this.
[SPEAKER_06]: People think of Sri Ram Krishna was the only other way there.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, Sri Ram Krishna was there also.
[SPEAKER_06]: The dualist also, and the qualified non-dualist also,
[SPEAKER_06]: the spirituality, the real spirituality, not having some kind of sensations in a body, you are seeing something, is inexhaustible, inexhaustible.
[SPEAKER_06]: Once your mind becomes a spiritual mind,
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if anybody has a said it, I know everything about a spiritual world, nah, it can be.
[SPEAKER_06]: There are zillion types of experiences there, all waiting for you, you'll take just a little of it enough to free you.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we tend to think like, oh, this is my path is the best path and the only path, nah.
[SPEAKER_06]: There are plenty, plenty, plenty of you, and this is one of the reasons why never say any religion is useless.
[SPEAKER_06]: It has its anchor in the spiritual realm, and an avatar comes and it authenticates everything.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, in the scene realm, in the unseen realm, as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: So while in their physical form, now this physical form also is a kind of a the other day I was talking to someone saying, yeah, you know, Sri Ram Krishna is body is not material and I
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's the reason why Sri Ram, Sri Ram is not body.
[SPEAKER_06]: In the Vespers, Him is described by Swami Vivekananda as the body made of condensed consciousness, Chiddhkanakaai.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are seeing a condensed consciousness as material, who's to be blamed, all of us.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't see that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Of course, that friend was saying, you know, Sri Ram Krishna, when it is about to be photography, the camera man kind of just tried to straighten his chin and the whole body lifted.
[SPEAKER_06]: What is matter then?
[SPEAKER_06]: A concept of matter itself is dismissed.
[SPEAKER_06]: And other also, awakens as it were, all the old gods and goddesses, including the sacred places, if he or she can't physically go to these places, they associate to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: And all these temples and churches and synagogues and mosques, they are in life.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is always there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is a kind of a wave of spirituality sweeps over the land.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, how do you describe an avatar?
[SPEAKER_06]: Byravi Brahmani, one of his
[SPEAKER_06]: teachers who taught him the tantras and made him go through these difficult disciplines.
[SPEAKER_06]: She saw signs of great powers called a maha-bhawad.
[SPEAKER_06]: This great spiritual upsurge of spirituality which the scriptures say cannot be contained in ordinary bodies.
[SPEAKER_06]: People come to me and saying, Swamy, my Kundalini is awakened.
[SPEAKER_06]: He said, oh, he has the snake when creeping and crawling.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I said, there's no snake.
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
[SPEAKER_06]: I've seen pictures of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Are you forgetting that symbology?
[SPEAKER_06]: There's no snake!
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh!
[SPEAKER_06]: A little of it is enough to shake you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, Ram Krishna says, let's like a rocket going off in your chest.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just a little.
[SPEAKER_06]: And in Sri Ram Krishna, Swami Viknyananda sees that his spinal column had become like a ticker rope with the spiritual energy rushing up and down.
[SPEAKER_06]: these kind of pure bodies can, which can the spiritual force, not only that, we are interested in, oh my Kundalini is awakened, what are you going to do now?
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to teach everybody.
[SPEAKER_06]: Go ahead and avatar comes to awakened,
[SPEAKER_06]: the world Kundalini, the cosmic Kundalini.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, Amishivaananda Mahapuris Marasese, he through his intense spiritual disciplines has awakened the cosmic coiled up sleeping power.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, you all coming here listening to Vedanta is because he did that work for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that is, it comes for the whole humanity, so how does it, this is one of the ways.
[SPEAKER_06]: We can, this coiled up cosmic power.
[SPEAKER_06]: The body is, of course, let's not go into, because again I said, the idea of material itself is kind of a misnomer.
[SPEAKER_06]: But the scriptures say that it's just pure sattva.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's what gives that body, the power to which stand this giant absurd of energy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Otherwise, the body will just break.
[SPEAKER_06]: So she saw those signs there in him.
[SPEAKER_06]: It has to be.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then she gets a concourse of pandits and then they authenticate it according to the scriptures, etc.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's another story for another time.
[SPEAKER_06]: If Dian invites me again, I'm there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yay!
[SPEAKER_06]: You have time next year for me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right there.
[SPEAKER_06]: We spoke about a collective awakening that takes place in the minds of the world.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, we look at Sri Ram Kṛṣṇa and he says, this is the highest state of yoga.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, okay, find this.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you read about his life,
[SPEAKER_06]: Somehow it doesn't strike us that he was stationed on the threshold between the absolute and the relative.
[SPEAKER_06]: He says, he was told by the Divine Mother, stay in Babamuka.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is, stay on the threshold.
[SPEAKER_06]: between this side, he can experience the absolute here and this side, the relative, he is identified with the cosmic mind, the cosmos.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what happens when you identify yourself with the cosmos?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like you identify yourself with the body, if I tell you, no, you should not identify
[SPEAKER_06]: The body is the Atman you will say.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hanna, it belongs to you, you will say, this is me.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that is how Shira Krishna identified himself with the totality.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like you are the master of your body.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's an each year, yeah, I'm in charge of you.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, at that stage, he is called, because he thinks the whole cosmos is his body.
[SPEAKER_06]: Who think you and me can say that?
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, one side, he can experience, does experience the absolute.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, we are speaking, standing on the threshold, something, there's a kind of a, there's the stage where the reality appears as it were to take a form and appear as a relative.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that, that, that, so all his life, his mature life,
[SPEAKER_06]: After he had perfected himself in the disciplines, he was commanded by the Divine Minister, Stain Bhavamaka, at that stage, the person is God.
[SPEAKER_06]: So what you are looking at is God.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think, look like, yeah, don't get fooled with this, peel back the layers and layers.
[SPEAKER_06]: How do you do that by spiritual disciplines?
[SPEAKER_06]: And you'll be surprised to find, oh, this thing is just a kind of a doorway.
[SPEAKER_06]: You've entered into,
[SPEAKER_06]: deeper and deeper dimensions of that and where do you pop out like Alice in Wonderland something like that come out of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is the road.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and Avatar becomes the path and the
[SPEAKER_06]: then doesn't ever come.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why?
[SPEAKER_06]: From thousands of years at the time, or centuries, we have been praying.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh God, where are you?
[SPEAKER_06]: Can't you see all this things going on there?
[SPEAKER_06]: People are starving, people are dying, people are this, people are that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And see, look at my problems and we've been praying and praying and praying.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we think there's no God, because I've been praying and I've got no answers.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes you get an answer, you get a kind of a lollipop, tickle it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you start, there's a God.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you don't get that, you don't, there's no God.
[SPEAKER_06]: But every prayer that has gone out to the human heart,
[SPEAKER_06]: in misery, in distress, in hopelessness, in religious fervour, whatever, it's a time.
[SPEAKER_06]: These prayers bring down an avatar, so keep on praying, more and more
[SPEAKER_06]: So an avatar is an answer to all appraisers, everyone.
[SPEAKER_06]: So people say, when is Ram Krishna going to come again?
[SPEAKER_06]: Keep on praying, harder, and get some more people around you.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and the collective prayers have been answered.
[SPEAKER_06]: by and after.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's nice, it's a no at least.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not been a useless enterprise or this religion and this and that if people keep on talking with religion.
[SPEAKER_06]: Who authenticates, like we say, wherever there's any claim
[SPEAKER_06]: Ranavi, whenever there is a question of money or something, Ranavi, a senior Swami was saying, the devotee comes to him and says, I have paid 5,000 bucks to levitate.
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: And what do you do?
[SPEAKER_06]: Then he describes how he levates.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, you paid 5,000 to behave like a frog?
[SPEAKER_06]: Whenever there's money involved, claims involved, that's not authentication.
[SPEAKER_06]: Authentication is done only in the states of yoga.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like I just mentioned that this awareness will not get you anyway.
[SPEAKER_06]: It might get you some cheeseburgers or hamburgers and co-cats, etc.
[SPEAKER_06]: I am kidding.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is the same thing that you need to transform.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is the instrument.
[SPEAKER_06]: But at this level, it is not going to be a measure.
[SPEAKER_06]: It needs a lot of spiritual practices.
[SPEAKER_06]: A lot?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you push.
[SPEAKER_06]: Serampishna says, you take one step towards God, God takes 10 steps towards you.
[SPEAKER_06]: little trouble, slight effort.
[SPEAKER_06]: But authentication is done only in the highest states of yoga, as your consciousness keeps on expanding.
[SPEAKER_06]: What expanding?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, consciousness expands.
[SPEAKER_06]: There are so many levels of consciousness.
[SPEAKER_06]: The yoga scriptures itself has enumerated just eight principle ones.
[SPEAKER_06]: They call samadhis.
[SPEAKER_06]: But there are the intras samadhis, oh my God, it's just, it keeps on expanding, coming super-fine and unbelievable journey.
[SPEAKER_06]: Only the higher levels can you authenticate, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: is called in the sense of, yes, this is that infinite appearing through the prism of time space and causation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sri Ram Krsna is the He was Rama and He was Krsna and now Krsna is Ram Krsna.
[SPEAKER_06]: But not any of Vedantic sense.
[SPEAKER_06]: It tells the Swamiji.
[SPEAKER_06]: Vedanta, because they say, as if he is born.
[SPEAKER_06]: When you come to this stage, when the world is as if, then you can come to that stage.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Avatar, like he says, I have come as Rama and Krishna.
[SPEAKER_06]: M says, I see the Chaitanya and Christ are there, you are Chaitanya and Christ, and Sri Lanka says, yes, yes, smiles.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, I'm your bedan in the who lived and worked year in the U.S. with 25 years, principally in New York and years, yeah, ahead of the Vedantu society of
[SPEAKER_06]: New York.
[SPEAKER_06]: What a great tradition you all have, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes you feel jealous.
[SPEAKER_06]: We guys are there.
[SPEAKER_06]: They got the best of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, he had a vision of all the gods and the goddesses and all the past prophets and
[SPEAKER_06]: one by one merging into him.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he comes running to Vaisjanampri Snavas and his temple garden, Tuxineshva.
[SPEAKER_06]: See, this is what I've seen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you've had a vision of Vaikuntha, the highest heaven.
[SPEAKER_06]: After this, you will not see any forms.
[SPEAKER_06]: To go to the formless, sorry to disappoint you all.
[SPEAKER_06]: You have to go to the forms.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know why, you think you have a form.
[SPEAKER_06]: When you think I have no form then you can go to the formless.
[SPEAKER_06]: People come and say, but there's Swami, there's a waking state, dream state, there's all all forms.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're talking about forms.
[SPEAKER_06]: States, think of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and that's what actually happened.
[SPEAKER_06]: Swami Yavizananda, and is Avatara Stothra, his him on the Avatars, enumerates some of the glimpses that he had.
[SPEAKER_06]: One by one, all the Avatars, gods and goddess of the merging.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the reason why I started with the salutation of his embodiment of all gods and goddesses.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like he said, even the Bhagavad-gītā, asitō, devalō, viāsā, swam chayvaba, the great changes like asitō and deval have declared you to be a god and you yourself are telling me this now, arjuna says, so god himself, but it doesn't tell it to everybody at that time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Those who can receive it, I think it's in the Bible, those who can receive it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But afterwards, when we read about it, this is what is meant for us, Tally.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Avatar also.
[SPEAKER_06]: will reveal herself for himself or itself, rather, through visions and dreams.
[SPEAKER_06]: You will have that very common, extremely common.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes you hear a mantra, you see a mantra, you get a vision, it's all, even here.
[SPEAKER_06]: If I get to a place in New Jersey where Swami Shardaanda goes and then a woman was there, lady, and then she said, when I was young, I saw this, she saw a picture of Shardaanda.
[SPEAKER_06]: Where did we get it?
[SPEAKER_06]: I saw this.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, it is quite common, so that is also another indication, okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: The parents have venerated and the birthplace becomes sacred, etc., these are the other things that do occur.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, thank you, thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll just, just one point, I say.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we say, oh, he is, oh, he or she, it has descended, avatarana.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now it's an English word, avatar, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: Everybody is not.
[SPEAKER_06]: The word itself is making billions of dollars now.
[SPEAKER_06]: descends from where, oh, from heaven, all the mythologies, they talk about, oh, the time for God to be born and this and that and all that, no, for the kindergarten, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But, really, God descends from, you know, where, hold your breath, from your own hearts.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ishvara Sarva Bhutanah, Riddeshay, Janatist, from here, descends from here, goes back here.
[SPEAKER_06]: So now you know the secret, the mystery, where, if you, to understand oneself, people ask me, so am you I've read this book, who am I?
[SPEAKER_06]: I said yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Read it more deeply, but don't please don't go around and ask who am I, who am I.
[SPEAKER_06]: They might take you to a psychiatrist.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't go around and say, oh my, oh my, well, he needs a shrink, then what is this whole thing?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's impossible for you to know who you are, but you can know it through an avatar, that's the easy way.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you know an avatar, you know yourself.
[SPEAKER_04]: You embody an avatar, om shanti shanti shanti
[SPEAKER_04]: So, what is it mean to have Kundalini of the universe?
[SPEAKER_04]: Kundalini?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a race that Kundalini.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, each one of us are sleeping giants as it were, sleeping spiritual giants.
[SPEAKER_06]: The awakening of Kundalini is raising your consciousness from the body,
[SPEAKER_06]: to the spiritual levels and it is all this thing is in potential form, you are a potential God and when the entirety, the universe, if everything is there within you, in Vedanta it is very clear, the microcosm,
[SPEAKER_06]: and a macrocosm vibrate on the same key.
[SPEAKER_06]: It reflects.
[SPEAKER_06]: So what is in you has to be in the universe.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is what Sri Lanka is now.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know Swami Vivekananda is very famous, you can say, experience when He was in Himalayas, little, near Al-Mora Kakri-Gat, saying, I have seen the universe in an atom.
[SPEAKER_06]: the microcosm and macrocosm are built on the same plan.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, if it is there in you, which the scriptures say it's there, it's there.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, Sharan Fkistan has come to awaken that.
[SPEAKER_06]: He came and has awakened it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But we don't see anything.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there are certain things.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't see a little bacteria and viruses.
[SPEAKER_06]: That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_06]: The world is not so simple as it seems, it's a very complex world.
[SPEAKER_06]: I say the world in the sense of existence, existence is a very complex.
[SPEAKER_06]: The mind itself very complex, so there are many factors and things, when they awaken, they work in unseen realms and only later on you'll find a kind of a kind of a manifestations on this plain of existence.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there is Sri Ram Krishna, has done that, worked for us.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I believe that we are all here because of that spiritual disciplines that he undertook weakened it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was excellent and it reminds me that the right speech or the right talk comes at exactly the right time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my name is Prem Krishnamurti
[SPEAKER_00]: The first is that you mentioned in, I speak here of the word choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: You said that the avatar will come and dominate politics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will dominate, the word dominate was very solidity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or the arts, the arts, let's say.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to question the use of the word dominance.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that comes to my second question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you mentioned something very powerful and important that you mentioned is the idea that the avatar and the soul evolved itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my understanding that has come in the last year or so, that in fact exists in itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: is evolving.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that one of the ways in which it is evolving over these billion years is that through its own loneliness, it has become a thing that is narcissistic and desires dominance.
[SPEAKER_00]: That the way in which our own culture is focused on dominance is a reflection of what happens in existence.
[SPEAKER_00]: But is my understanding that, in fact, at some point, existence itself, like the way that Brahma, we know that all of existence is Brahma opens his eyes and then he closes his eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That in the same way that humankind or a single person understands that they too will die, then they relax.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they say, why should I dominate?
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I don't need power, I only need to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is my question to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of this?
[SPEAKER_06]: If I comment on this, but I'll just try to use the clarify the word I use as dominance.
[SPEAKER_06]: Dominance not in the sense of power as you think it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: dominance in the sense, they become relevant in every form of art.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now art and sciences, they are the finest, you can say, sentiments of the human mind.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's trying to grasp the ungraspable art and music, dance, trauma.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, I used the word dominance in the sense, in this sense, that they seek and they become the center of that search, they try to grasp that un-crashable.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is instituted very faintly in highly creative minds.
[SPEAKER_06]: In some way, you also know, you are talking about death, if you know that, yeah, I am going to survive.
[SPEAKER_06]: This idea of immortality comes that intuition, the intuitive knowledge comes out in the sense of that idea of immortality.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, it is not completely unknown, the reality is not completely unknown.
[SPEAKER_06]: Reality can never be narcissistic, because just because we use the word self, does not mean either self.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, the word self itself is
[SPEAKER_06]: I say, in a German, the German philosopher, we translated word, Atman as a self, and then it's a self, German philosopher as itself, when they, you see, Swami Tatagata nanda wrote a book, Journey of the Upenchitz, the West.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Upanishads were first translated into Persian by a prince called Darashiko.
[SPEAKER_06]: That Persian translation that was in the 1415 century, was translated into Latin.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Latin was the language, the lingua franca of the academics in the world.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was then a maid.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then that was translated to German and French, English, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_06]: So how do you translate the word atman?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's such a rich word.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the idea of self, and it has nothing to do with narcissism.
[SPEAKER_06]: So death, narcissism and all, it's diametrically opposite to what I'm trying to say, trying to present that this idea,
[SPEAKER_06]: Every scripture is hollow without the presence of an incarnation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Take for instance, just for instance, though Buddhism is a nara, there is all that we don't believe in all these incarnations and all.
[SPEAKER_06]: You take Buddha out of Buddhism, see what happens.
[SPEAKER_06]: or you'll have a philosophy, it's dry.
[SPEAKER_06]: And apart from the thinking that Buddhism is just non-ritchualistic, go to any Buddhist temple and you'll see how many rituals are there.
[SPEAKER_06]: They have beaten us also, hollow.
[SPEAKER_06]: You take Christ out of Christianity, see what happens.
[SPEAKER_06]: in that sense I had said you take this out.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, I am not talking about dominance and power and this and that dominate politics or I am not interested in that.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know Swamu you
[SPEAKER_06]: So, these are more profound things than your perception of idea of dominance, etc.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, it is, I would say like a relevant, I think that could be more appropriate word.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, everything becomes relevant when you add the word or the avatar is there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, and Brahma opening and closing his eyes, that's a cyclic nature of, it's just one day, sorry, to, yeah, and he'll open his eyes again, so, and then he's going to live for about 100 years, 365, but he's a divine here, and they take millions and billions of years, so you have plenty of time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so, and this is one of these that we are all going towards liberation, every one of us.
[SPEAKER_06]: There are some who are in a hurry, there are some who have taken a crooked path or whatever, but it everyone is eligible.
[SPEAKER_06]: There is no eternal damnation.
[SPEAKER_06]: sorry there is no eternal heaven also.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, everyone that should tell you like, hey this is something which I am able to
[SPEAKER_06]: My immortality, which I have a kind of a glimpse.
[SPEAKER_06]: So all these even science, what is science today, is science becoming a science of consciousness.
[SPEAKER_06]: The physicists are trying to get in.
[SPEAKER_06]: A sorapriana that was telling me is, and we had a big in this a neurology, and I said, they have forgotten their own neurology now.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now they are trying to find consciousness.
[SPEAKER_06]: physicist, biologist and psychologist, what is his consciousness business?
[SPEAKER_06]: It has to be, that is religion.
[SPEAKER_06]: Swami Vivekananda says, science is a search of truth in the external world.
[SPEAKER_06]: Religion is a search of truth in the internal world.
[SPEAKER_06]: And science and religious are not diametrically opposed to each other and he wanted to
[SPEAKER_06]: And to the capital of America, the US, is the crowned.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he lays out there's two branches of the Aryan family.
[SPEAKER_06]: One became the Greeks and the Romans, et cetera, Western civilization.
[SPEAKER_06]: The one became the Eastern civilization.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now this age is the meeting, not in the original homeland, but here.
[SPEAKER_06]: So this land has got this upsurge, and it's going to be the launching pad of the new religion.
[SPEAKER_06]: whether you call it Vedanta, we are not interested in how we are Vedanta, what is Vedanta?
[SPEAKER_06]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_06]: There will be a search for these.
[SPEAKER_06]: These two mighty streams of thought, one studying the external world, one studying the internal world, and there is in nature, there is no internal and external, they will all come.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, here you are.
[SPEAKER_06]: Be happy and glad, I bring tidings to you, a lot of people don't realize, why the history has selected this, why did Swami Vivekan the give his best years of his public life year?
[SPEAKER_06]: When I was young, I used to wonder, what is that, look at us,
[SPEAKER_06]: Those people, they want you to understand without them, but they are going to understand with them to science, and that is the trend.
[SPEAKER_06]: He could see it, and then when I caught it, wow!
[SPEAKER_06]: This is what it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is no surprise that you have these seminars and conferences on consciousness and scientists and they come and then they bring Swami Saropriya and there also.
[SPEAKER_06]: What is this?
[SPEAKER_06]: That was Anathema.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now it is accepted.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we have a great future and the future is here.
[SPEAKER_06]: I hope I answered some of your questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll come now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Too bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: So so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wanted to thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's been for the whole audience here that I think the lifetime of wisdom in the talk you gave today.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to just build on something you said about how an avatar is a summation of everything that comes before them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's also something new.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I especially wanted it.
[SPEAKER_03]: ask you to extend your point about Buddhism because I have some of these conversations about God, to my Buddha, with some of my Buddhist friends and I think so many way I can understand that the Buddha basically was brought humanized the Upanishadek philosophy but there was also a line that says though that was he was a radical rupture of some kind so I just wanted to hear your thoughts on how that connects with that idea of summation versus newness he you see he he practiced yoga
[SPEAKER_06]: He studied the sanghya philosophy, he first teacher all sanghya yogins, he practiced meditation according to these sanghya teachers and then at one point of time he broke the you can say the bonds of those very philosophers and philosophies ends went out to search on his own.
[SPEAKER_06]: how to decrease human suffering, and every of thought does that, everything, they understand suffering intensely.
[SPEAKER_06]: We most of our times, we are dead into our own sufferings, but life in this beautiful life that we have is a struggle.
[SPEAKER_06]: You may not be conscious, but there's a huge struggle that's going on there within you.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you were aware, you would go crazy.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a huge struggle going there.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a struggle going on in the mind.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and Avatar as quoted Jesus that they come to fulfill not to destroy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Every way they will be a summation of that age and times, everything that has come.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you cannot have even you or a summation of your entire life or your family life or desire.
[SPEAKER_06]: So each one of us, even an avatar, comes as a summation of the past.
[SPEAKER_06]: We have the infinite past packed on us.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't see those things.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we are new, the new kid in town, we are new bees, where there's that, that, hey, we just, we just, a summation, a culmination of all the.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now what do you do?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not possible for you to accomplish in one brief lifetime, or in a few years.
[SPEAKER_06]: So everything is compressed by the Navadhar and presented to you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is your summation of your life.
[SPEAKER_06]: My summation of my life, that is Abadhar say, it's the whole humanity.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, the mystery still remains, though I try to explain it as much as possible, but then if you can solve that mystery, you have solved this mystery.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it cannot be solved in this, this ordinary conscious mind.
[SPEAKER_06]: on the ocean of subconsciousness, when I come there, oh that's Atlantic.
[SPEAKER_06]: What do you mean that's Atlantic?
[SPEAKER_06]: You know how big of Atlantic?
[SPEAKER_06]: No, that's Atlantic.
[SPEAKER_06]: You see one part and say, is that now the huge Atlantic ocean.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, we see consciousness here and meshed
[SPEAKER_06]: you're not seeing the whole.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so a thin film, he says, between the ocean of sub-consciousness and heights of Supergeet.
[SPEAKER_06]: So from the clashes of the waves to the blue sky, is something called
[SPEAKER_06]: we have that within us.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is the Kundalini.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's sleeping.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, this higher mind or the super mind is there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It has to be awakened.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can know God only when your mind crosses this consciousness layer, and enters into.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, every time you see Superman on all these, no, no, it is actually, it is kind of somewhere deep down we are capable of this.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is reflecting us, we are reflecting that.
[SPEAKER_06]: We know that there, we cannot articulate it
[SPEAKER_06]: correctly, but we can do it through art and music or all these things.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's a summation, your life itself, the summation of your entire week, everything at the role into this.
[SPEAKER_06]: So if you can take a kind of a bird's eye view of certain things, and certain play, you'll see, oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not done bad, you're coming up here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So with that, I mean, I didn't pray him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He stepped away, I was countering his point.
[SPEAKER_02]: So without becoming a man means devoid of shuddery posts.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there is no Kamakro, the love of Mohamadamatsarya.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then there is no question of dominance and the narcissism or anything else, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So that explains simply, now, what an avatar is as you're explaining.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, just I just want to do kind of no offense.
[SPEAKER_06]: Everybody is entitled to the opinion.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yes, of course, when Shrampista himself, when he was in the so-called physical body, his body used to morph.
[SPEAKER_06]: How is that possible?
[SPEAKER_06]: Into gods and goddesses or something like that, and sometimes he used to appear so huge and tall.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is that possible?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, even your body can morph.
[SPEAKER_06]: But now you all year, suppose the evening you have a road rage, see what happens to you, your body is going to morph a little, yeah, they are definitely, or your spouse says something and see what happens, all fire and fury that mask has slipped.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, that I would like to have that divine nature come out.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, that is the state of power, it's where gopals, gopals mother, gopalema.
[SPEAKER_06]: She used to see the child Krishna sitting down on a shoulder, sitting on the lap and
[SPEAKER_06]: bathing with her eating with her what's this?
[SPEAKER_06]: This is not a normal state of consciousness.
[SPEAKER_06]: her body itself had morphed to these things.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is a tremendous state.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, as you said that the Shankaracharya explains it, it is an appearance comes to us.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, but we need to have a starting point.
[SPEAKER_06]: He used to himself say, think of this, that is, think of the think
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to put an end to it at this point then, Swamiji.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have really missed you, so we will be in touch for another visit next year.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.