Jesse Palmer - Former NFL Quarterback, Actor, Sports Commentator and TV Personality

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 Yeah, totally. I mean back in 2004, nobody, no guy would have been there.
 In 2022, now people are like, yeah, it's like it's like a huge part of pop culture.
 I had no idea in 2004 that I wanted to be on television at all and that really sort of taught me like you've got to find whatever it is that gets you ready and
 just believe in it, but I don't try to try to deviate too much from what got me here and what's allowed me to be successful these last 15 years.
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 Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to the latest edition of the Radcast.
 We're talking bachelor today. We're talking college football. We're talking Jesse Palmer. What's up brother?
 Good brother. Good to have good being on with it. How are you doing?
 I'm doing great, man. I fabulous. I've been dying to have you on the show. I've been a big fan from afar.
 Like, you know, watching you on college play college. I remember you playing. I'm old enough to remember that.
 I was going to say, you're definitely dating yourself right away.
 Date myself. I remember you're playing days and you do a whole job with ESPN.
 And I was like, you know, and then you picked up the dang bachelor gig. I'm like, dude, I just got to talk to this guy.
 So I know you're your busy man. So I appreciate it.
 Yeah, man. So I think by now you're getting to be a household name.
 But you know, for our audience, I definitely just want to kind of get into your journey.
 You know, you can start it and tell it from wherever point you want.
 But I think you got a real unique perspective and a kind of a real obviously very unique journey and winding path.
 So let's start down that man. Yeah, unique journey. That's definitely a good way to put it and tease it.
 It's, I never expected that I would be in the position I am today for sure.
 I grew up in a small town outside of Ottawa, Canada. It's called peon.
 And my dad was a former professional football player. My mom was a model. I grew up wanting to be an NFL quarterback.
 And I knew that from the time that I was seven years old. And it was an awesome dream to have.
 But it was kind of unique and weird because I was in Canada where everybody loves hockey.
 Everybody just talks about hockey football is really not that big of a deal.
 And I just worked and grinded and played, you know, I played every sport growing up.
 But my dad was my coach and I got really lucky. And a big turning point in my life was getting a scholarship to play for Steve Spur at the University of Florida.
 I got there right after they won a national championship in 1996. Danny Wurfland won the highest in trophy.
 So it was really just a unique time in my life. And fast forward four years from there.
 God drafted by the New York Giants, played in the NFL and for about five or six years.
 And then started my career into sports broadcasting with ESPN. And that essentially is sort of what kind of opened up the door for a lot of TV opportunities as well.
 Yeah, I love it, man. A lot to unpack there. I'm going to go down the Spurrier route for a second.
 So I went to Clemson and so I'm a Clemson guy and Spurrier was at USC when they handed Clemson like there were five years in a row losing.
 And I'm like, God, and then now I love the guy, you know, it's like a love hate relationship.
 His Spurrier is just, I don't know, it's crazy as it seems or like, is it?
 I don't know. The guys that love him love him. I mean, you know, it's a good way to put it.
 He's definitely, you know, people either love coach for the hate coach for a lot of guys that have played for generally love him.
 You know, it was such a unique time to be playing for him with the Gators because he was just so innovative on offense.
 And that was a time where he was really sort of changing the game and with spread offense and aggressive play calling and it took a lot of shots and scored a lot of points and won a lot of games.
 And so, you know, it was, and then, you know, it was he's such a unique character and personality as well, just because of this.
 He's like a walking sound bite. I mean, anytime he opens his mouth, it's on the front page because it's just incredible.
 He oftentimes doesn't have a filter, but that's what people love about him too.
 And so, you know, it's he's he's definitely he's a legend. It was so cool playing for a guy that that changed the game that is a legend in the sport and was really sort of in the prime of his coaching.
 And the crazy part is was was I think a lot of people could argue what he did at South Carolina after that might have been as impressive as what he did with the Gators.
 He sort of expected him to win SEC titles with Florida, but the turnaround that that he kind of got South Carolina underway and how he kind of really took that program over to me, I think is just as impressive.
 Yeah, no, I think a hundred percent, especially growing up in South Carolina and knowing them in the SEC were they were the doormat of the SEC until he got there for the most part.
 You know, freaking beat Alabama beat Clemson five times at five years in a row. Like it was a little bit before dabbo got rolling, but at the same time, it Clemson had a lot more legacy, a lot better players, a lot of the times and yeah, I think it was funny.
 What was surprising was just how how well he recruited in state at South Carolina, like he was able to get guys like all Sean Jeffrey, Marcus Latimore, you know, obviously clowny.
 You think about these guys that that came in and just, you know, the best player in the state and just impact guys that really sort of kind of set him up and he's just one of these dudes who's, you know, throughout his careers as put guys in position to be successful and to go on to the NFL and have have successful careers careers there.
 It's pretty amazing what he did.
 I agree, I agree. So I briefly, you know, like, what was how do you define when you look back at the NFL experience, you know, like, is it fun?
 Was it just a, is it like a blip now? I mean, obviously it was five, six years, but like, is it how is that in your memory banks now holding up or like it's just incredible.
 Best years of my life. Yeah, I mean, I mean, when I say when I was seven years old, I wanted to play in the NFL, like that, I don't mean that like every seven year old kid says that, like I was absolutely obsessed with football.
 I had like 14 posters of quarterbacks in my bedroom. I just massive poster Joe Montana on my ceiling that I would look at when I went to bed.
 I mean, I ate, breathed and slept football all day every day. And Miami Hurricane and rubber football.
 But I packed in my napsack. I took the school every day to throw around. I was like the only kid playing football is no one else wanted to.
 You know, when I look like the day I got drafted by the New York Giants was such a magical moment because all the hard work, all the sacrifice and really just being grateful and thankful to all the people that helped me achieve that and get there.
 It was really, really tough odds for a kid from the PN Ontario to end up getting drafted and then end up starting games in the National Football League.
 I would have loved to have had Tom Brady's career.
 I guess when I look back on it, man, I got to do something that so few people ever did. And so I sort of look at it like I lived my dream. I did it. I achieved my goals and everything else that has happened since then is literally just icing on the cake.
 I don't have any regrets. I'm not resentful at all. I have a lot of buddies that played football that had really bad breaks. They got hurt. They were talented guys made bad decisions, got hurt, life happened.
 And they couldn't pursue their dream of playing in the NFL and years and years later, people really harbor that kind of stuff.
 And it just kind of sticks with them. It sticks in their gut. And it just it affects them. And I totally get it. I understand it. I was so lucky to be able to avoid a lot of pitfalls, injuries, life, whatever it is.
 And so I've had the opportunity to have those five, six years in the NFL. Those were the best days of my life. And when I was starting games, I was getting a crap kicked out of me.
 But honestly, dude, I would do it all over again in a millisecond to be on the field again with the guys because it was that that's the only thing I ever wanted to do since I was seven years old.
 So I'm internally grateful to so many people and to the experiences I had.
 I love it, man. I'm going to make this observation and I want to get your opinion. Like there's something about you, like I see you on television, I'm talking to you now.
 There's there's a joy and a happiness and like, you know, some people you feel like they carry the way to the world. They have issues or whatever.
 And I think it may even be polarizing maybe for people with you, because I always just sense and have always liked this about you.
 There's just kind of like this. I'm in this moment and I'm enjoying it and I'm a happy person. And I don't know if this always respected that about you.
 And the more I talk to you sitting here, I'm like, it feels real. Like even like appreciate it.
 Yeah, and like, and I don't know if you've ever talked about that, but like, I don't know.
 And I don't know where that comes from, like just that, you know, joyous spirit or happiness, you know.
 You're the first, you're the first person that's ever actually asked me that. That's, that's a great question, man. I appreciate it.
 I try to think of myself as being a guy that's in the present.
 Yeah. And I try to, I try to stay cognizant of that.
 And you know, it might have to do with playing football all those years and just listening to buddies and teammates always talk about what it could have should have.
 Yeah. I shouldn't have come to Florida, man. I should have gone to South Carolina. I would have been a starter and I'd be in the league right now if I'd done that.
 If I didn't come here, I wouldn't have torn my ACL. I should have never married that girl. If I didn't do that, I would have had this time to do these things.
 And on the flip side of that, people always just so worried about the next contract, the next, you know, what was happening way down the line.
 And it just seems so stressful to me. And I wasn't even the one saying those things. Those weren't even my thoughts, but just being surrounded by all that, that fear all the time and that negative, I don't say negative energy, but the nervous energy.
 That's a good way to put it. It was draining on me. And I just felt, I think, happiest and the most comfortable when I just really thought about the here and now.
 And, and at ESPN, like when we're in studio and we're doing a half time, I'm just really trying to enjoy that moment and that half time.
 I'm not worrying about the one hour long college football final that's going to go live at 2 a.m. that we're all going to be dreading because we've been away for 15 hours.
 You know, it's just try. I guess people have told me that's a very Buddhist way of thinking about things and I'm not a Buddhist. It's just, it's just how I sort of have tried to compartmentalize things because I think our lives can, can at times seem like there's a lot going on.
 And it, and it, it'll give you that anxiety. I mean, I don't even have kids yet. I can't imagine someone like we were talking before we started. You've got four boys.
 Dude, I can't imagine you having to think about bouncing that and your wife and your kids and now your podcast and your job and your family and travel.
 Like, I don't know how you do that either. You must be the same. You must.
 I'm very similar and I guess I don't know. You kind of recognize it in yourself when you see someone else, but I've always admired that about you because I've always felt like that was true.
 It's like, but until I really kind of have this conversation and I'm hearing you talk and I'm like, you know, it's one to one. I'm like, okay, that's not, that's not a paint. That's not fake. Like, that's real.
 Yeah, man. And so I really appreciate that. And you know, I think there's just so much, I don't know, kind of tooth for ahead and maybe not in the moment and a lot of negativity. And I feel like I've just never since that from you. So I appreciate that.
 So, hey, man, so let's talk a little bit about we thought you just brought up some of the college football stuff. I mean, that's coming up. I mean, it's got to just remain a passion. I mean, like, you're great at it. You're good at calling, you know, play by, you do both color.
 You do some color too, right? Color and play by player.
 I used to do, I used to do color and studio for a while. And then there was, there was a while there to where I was calling two games a week for three years. A bread must burger. Now we're doing the SEC network together.
 Yeah. And then I was doing Thursday night football, traveling sort of all over the country. It was a lot. But, but kind of like you said, I mean, if you're really enjoying what you're doing, like, I love football and I love college football. I love, I love college football.
 Dude, like, again, I'm not going to keep going back to Canada, but like Canadians, obviously, you know, I, all my best friends are there. I love them. They have no idea about passionate fan bases and football.
 They don't know about those clips and tigers.
 I mean, like, I always tell them they're like, dude, Montreal, Canadian Toronto Maple Leaf's best rival in sports. And I'm like, it's a great rival.
 But you really should, at some point, you're like, try to get to Alabama, LSU or try to do like, if you can see like, yeah, like Georgia, Florida, or one of these games, Clemson, South Carolina.
 Yeah. If you can go down and see that, it's just a total game changer. And when I lived it for four years, it was an indoctrination into a religion that I never even knew existed.
 And I just immediately knew that I was home. Like, when I left Nepal and I showed up in Gainesville, Florida, I knew I was home because everybody loved football.
 They wanted to talk about it all the time, just like I did. And having blasted 15, 16 years at ESPN to do this as a job and get to travel.
 Go to Memorial Stadium at Clemson. Go down to Bryce Williams Stadium. I mean, it's, it's, it's, they're Williams Bryce. It's amazing to get to do all that.
 Talk about it and just and be around passionate people. I just love it. Yeah, man. Is, is there a moment that sticks out? I mean, like one of your best moments, I'm sure you've had a ton now, but like, whether it's had a game or the
 game is so high or, I don't know, maybe in studio, I don't know. Is there, is there a, is there a moment or two that, that are, that are standouts at this point?
 Yeah, I mean, it's funny, man. It's funny. You can think back and, and I remember so many games and amazing environments that I was in at the time. There have been a few
 old crap moments though. The first was when I was, I called my first game with Brett Musberger. He's such a legend. Yeah.
 And he's a guy that's called, he's called so many big games in college football in the NFL. He's been to like Ali Frazier that he's done so many different things, Olympics, everything.
 But we were at, we were in South Carolina doing a Texas A&M South Carolina game and the broadcast started and the place is going nuts.
 And they're playing space Odyssey. The place is absolutely freaking out. And, and all of a sudden he comes on and you hear the classic, you are looking
 a lot. And I had this crap moment where I just froze, like crap, like I'm in the booth with Brent Musberger about to call this game. How cool is that?
 And then, you know, there was him and I called an iron bowl. We did a damn Auburn game, which was incredible. Him and I called the Rose Bowl.
 I mean, I still, I still can't believe I did that. I mean, and so, I mean, it's, yeah, it's like stuff that when I started at ESPN, I mean, I was just you, you could have thrown me.
 My first game I called was rice versus you tap and it was the greatest thing of all time. It was, it was the greatest. You're definitely a junkie.
 If you told me that like down the road, I'd get a chance to be in in Pasadena, Rose Bowl with Brent Musberger. I mean, it's, it's amazing the journey and how lucky I've been, honestly, because it's, I just, I don't take a second of that job for granted.
 So I, well, and it's funny, like every college football nut, myself included goes, damn, that'd be a dream job. You know, like, I mean, and I'm like is, and it's never as sexy. Like you said, 2 a.m. stuff, you get tired. There's always stuff that's, it's a job.
 People forget that, but damn, getting that's have your passion and your work come to life. And, and, and you, you got to remind yourself too.
 There are a lot of people out there that would slip your throat for your job. Oh, yeah, it's, I know we all go through things like we have a job we really love and sometimes it gets tough like you were mentioning and all of them do.
 No such thing as the perfect job. Yeah, but it's in those moments that you really do have to sort of remind yourself, you know, don't take it for granted because there's somebody out there who's very, very hungry that wants your job and they'll do anything to get it.
 And so that's, it's a good reminder, I think for people sometimes when you sort of get in tough spots. What do you think?
 Attributed to your longevity with the SPN. Like, do you, I mean, you fight out of your easy to work with, I'm sure, but like, you know, are there, are there things because it's kind of where I was wanting to go like this nature nurture thing with you, man, I can't quite put my finger on it.
 Like, you know, both your joy in doing things, your attitude, but you know, I'm almost kind of getting at what makes you successful while also asking, you know, that longevity is not easy in this sport.
 Yeah, yeah, I mean, for me, I mean, I just, and this kind of goes back to playing football. It's like I was, I just work really, really hard at it and I study a lot.
 I watch a lot of tape. I watch so much film every year. I've got just books and binders of notes that I've taken watching teams. I put a lot into it and I think a lot of people that do this job, everybody sort of has their own, their own path and their own way that they operate.
 Some guys are great at just not studying and just kind of showing up and watching the game and just giving it to your rod and live.
 I sort of look, you know, I do it the way I used to play quarterback where you watch film, you study the opponent, you do it for a week and then you're able to sort of take everything that you've studied and you've got in your head, you sort of kind of spit it out on game day with respect to what you're seeing.
 I hope part of my longevity has to do with the product that I'm putting out and a lot of that really is preparation and really really hard work.
 I'm not the guy that just kind of shows up and wings it. And I hopefully, hopefully for the fans and the viewers at home, hopefully that comes across.
 I always feel like you're like over prepared, like it does come across that way, almost like again, it's a compliment, like robotically, not because you're robot because I'm like the detail.
 And I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's there.
 I remember like playing for Sean Payton with the New York Giants and I remember like he would grind.
 He was like a John Hood disciple who would grind, you know, all hours of the night.
 We'd be in our quarterback meeting Friday morning, Sean had the biggest eye bags.
 He was crushing dip, he had like a coffee, like double fisting coffees and was going through it.
 And he would put so much work into our game plan.
 Our playbook for that week was huge and we would lose a game and be really disappointing and just put up six points and just all that 160 yards.
 I think to myself, like, man, like how's he going to change? Like obviously that was not a good outcome.
 We lost the game. That was embarrassing. How is he going to change his preparation?
 The next time into his credit, he never did. He just trusted the process.
 He went back in the office at 4am on Sunday or on Monday and just started the whole thing again, trusting that in believing in what he was doing was right.
 And that really sort of taught me like you've got to find whatever it is that it gets you ready and just believe in it.
 And I have good days in studio and I have bad days in studio and I have good days in the booth and I have bad days in the booth.
 But I don't try to try to deviate too much from what got me here and what's allowed me to be successful these last 15 years.
 Yeah, I think it's good for people to hear that because dude, man, you look like you got it all together.
 You're a good looking guy. You've been on the bachelor, which we're going to get to.
 And it's like, but no, this guy has busted his ass, working hard, preparing, and it doesn't just get handed.
 It's like hard work. And I think it's good for people to hear that from you because I think there's just a something, you know, I mean, you know, you deal.
 I'm sure you've dealt with that in your life. You know, oh, you got it easier or something, right?
 Yeah, for sure. Like, I mean, listen, listen, no doubt about it.
 And I tell people to sell the time like my career at Florida and playing in the NFL and being on the bachelor to some extent.
 Did that help me land the SPN? Absolutely. It did. Of course it did. Yeah.
 But but once you get there, what do you do with it? Because we've also had a lot of we've had NFL Hall of Famers at ESPN.
 I got a job because of that, but they didn't last very long because they didn't because they didn't they didn't work very hard.
 And at the end of the day, it's just, you know, at the end of the day, it's, it's, you know, it's your, it's your, your resume, your game tape, your film, and what you put out on, on, on camera at ESPN in studio and in the booth.
 That, that is your resume. And it speaks for itself.
 I think it does, brother, because I've seen the turnover and, and but your mainstay would cause football, hopefully for a long time.
 Let's talk about the bachelor. Let's talk about it. You were the bachelor and you're the host of the bachelor, you know, replacing Chris Harrison who was there for 20.
 I don't know. The guy that looks our age or my your age. I don't know how old you are. How are you 40 yet? Are you getting there? I'm in there.
 You're in there. I'm getting in there. We're in there somewhere. But Chris Harrison looks, you know, whatever.
 Everybody's done the bachelor for 28 years or whatever. So you got to follow him up. I think you've done a great job. But I don't know. Just talk about that bachelor experience. What's that's been like?
 Yeah. It's been wild. I mean, going back to 2004 when, when I became the bachelor, that was, that was kind of this.
 That was this amazing opportunity. It's funny. I've always sort of been a guy that just kind of tries to take opportunities and, and make the most out of them and just kind of have fun with.
 Again, kind of being in the moment, not worrying about what the repercussions are of it. And so, you know, I'd be lying if I told you that in 2004, I knew what I was doing.
 I would believe you if you did say you did.
 If I had said, trust me, like, I'm going to do that. I'm playing in the NFL right now. I'm going to do this job. And in a couple of years, this is totally going to open doors for me and my broadcasting career.
 I had no idea in 2004 that I wanted to be on television at all. So, you know, that whole thing happened. And with beyond a shadow of a doubt, I don't know if it really helped me with ESPN. But it definitely helped me with food network with good morning America.
 Obviously, being the host of the bachelor now, years and years later, Daily Mail and some of these other shows that I've been associated with.
 It has been so cool this year coming back years and years later to be part of the franchise again. And the amazing thing has just been how much bigger the show is now.
 But when I did it in 2004, reality TV was like a brand new thing.
 And I remember being in the locker room with all the guys in the New York Giants, like Michael Stray and Tiki Barber and Monty Tumer.
 And I'm having to like explain to them what reality TV is and then also what the bachelor is.
 What is that? So wait, you're going on a reality show to get a date. Is that kind of what you're doing?
 Like, it's a little bit more than that. Like, you're going on. You're hopefully going to get married. It's all on reality TV and explain all that.
 And then today to fast forward, like the budget's obviously way bigger, obviously. The travel's crazy. It's still the nuts and bolts are the same and the concept of it is the same.
 But the fans and bachelor nation is just grown by leaps and bounds. They've multiplied it. I can't think of another show that has a fan base.
 So into it and just so so emotional about it and so invested in it. It's kind of like it's like a Clemson fan base or an SEC fan. That's what it feels like.
 Yeah, right. It's just that they are so passionate about it. And that's that's been really, really cool to sort of be back part of that.
 Yeah, man. And I think you've done a good job. It's a it's a rabid fan base. I mean, and I'm one of those it's a I don't even call it a guilty pleasure.
 I don't know why as a man we feel like we have to say guilty pleasure and we say we like watching the bachelor. But my wife has loved it forever.
 So she kind of got me on it. And then like now we enjoy it. So it's like.
 That's a big yeah. You know, and I think guys are like a shame, but you know, you know you're watching it.
 Totally. I mean, back in 2004, nobody, nobody admit that 2022 that people are like, yeah, but the show's about it's like it's a huge part of pop culture that everybody's girlfriend or wife watches.
 So on Monday nights, you're right there. I was talking to Kirk Herbs. You're to herbie the other day. I mean on Monday. He's text. He's like texting me throughout the episodes.
 He's watching it too. So it's like we're all we're all whether we admit it or not. We're all doing it. Oh yeah.
 Exactly. What's been the, and I know we got to wrap up here, but what's what's been like any shocking moments or holy cow moments from the season, you know,
 like I know there's a lot.
 There have been so many. Well, this this year has been absolutely crazy. Like this is not what I signed up for. I thought I was coming into this thing.
 It's going to be like some kind of formula.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 I keep it in the fairway. Just got to like, yeah, like blatant's brought out like his driver on every like he's just taken.
 He's taken the shambles rips and like just things are like balls are spraying.
 It's been, it's been a very emotional roller coaster. This thing has gone off the tracks a few times.
 And we're at a point right now in the show where we're coming up on the finale next week Monday and Tuesday live on after the final rose.
 And we don't know how this ends.
 Like we were we were shooting we were shooting everything out in Iceland.
 Back in the fall. And I mean, I left I left set thinking, okay, I know how this it's over and I know what happens.
 And there is so much chaos and so much drama that is just as everybody has seen. It's just happened in Iceland.
 And it's going to come up. There's so many questions that are still unanswered.
 And we're going to get the answers to all of it finally live on Monday and Tuesday.
 And I can't wait. That's going to be my own crap moment.
 It's crazy.
 You know, there used to be these unspoken rules on the bachelor, what they did, what they didn't do the last few years.
 It's been trending towards this. There's no rules. There's no nothing like it. It's all kind of and this season's been like the epitome of that, right?
 I know.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 Yeah.
 And it's it's led to a lot of a lot of drama. And now he's going to have to deal with the consequences. And we're going to see how he's able to sort of navigate the situation that he's gotten.
 I agree, man.
 Is it nature nurture for you, man? Is this all like is your parents just just raise your will or do you just just built this way?
 You know, I, man, I mean, I'm not to get all Freudian. I don't know.
 Yeah. It's like I, oh, listen, I was very, very lucky.
 I had two incredible role models and my, my mom and my dad, they definitely instilled a lot of discipline in me, a lot of work ethic and a lot of gratitude and appreciation growing up at a very young age.
 And I think staying close to them throughout my entire life and having the messages reinforced over and over.
 I think it's definitely helped a lot. And I think trying to be around like minded people.
 And you know, we talked a lot about my teammates back in the day and football is a funny thing. It's like college football, especially.
 There's like 120 dudes in the locker room. And there's a lot of guys.
 You got to be careful who your circles are. Everyone's every football player's got a kind of a tiny circle. You've got the team.
 You've got the offense. You got, you know, but you get like four or five dudes, different positions, whatever that you kind of run with.
 And I think you got to be careful who those guys are. I've always tried, I was always trying to make sure they were positive people that that were appreciative of what we were doing and loved what we were doing.
 And I think, I think family and I think my, my circle, my, my teammates and my buddies, I think are my wife.
 I think all those hold true and everything, not just sports and for you. I think, you know, keep your circle small and right.
 Hey, man, last question. Are, do we know bats? Is this a continual thing with the batsler? Is it just contract by contract?
 We know if you'll be back. Can you say otherwise?
 Well, because we're in such a mess right now. I'm just trying to get my, I'm just trying to get my guy to the finish line Tuesday night. I'm just trying to get him.
 I mean, I didn't think we were going to be here.
 But I got to help play now. I got to get him to the finish line come Tuesday.
 And then I guess we'll see from there. I will say this. I've had, I really have had an amazing time doing this.
 I've had, I thought it was going to be fun.
 I've actually enjoyed this more than I even expected I would. So I've had a real blast doing it. So we'll, we'll see what happens.
 That's great. I think you've done a really good job. Last thing I want to say, because I didn't know because you're kind of, your charismatic guy.
 And you've been the bat. So I was like, how's he going to be Switzerland? You know, because that's kind of what Chris Harrison, like his greatest attribute was he was so switched.
 You know, and I think that's why you'd respect him. And I was like, how is Jesse going to do this? Not because you're like arrogant.
 Or you got to be a center of attention. It's just more like you're that guy. And I was, I think you've done an admirable job of kind of finding that neutral zone.
 So I'll give you.
 Yeah. I tried to, I tried to not make it about me. It's like, I don't want to be like the old Uncle Jesse. He was like, back in my day.
 Yeah. I would have done this. Sort of. Yeah. This is what you need to say. I just want to like, this is for this is Clayton's. This is his game.
 Yeah. This is his deal. He's got to figure it out. I'm sort of there to try to keep him.
 I'm trying to give him the seven hire as much as I can hold it for him. I did just lay up.
 Yeah, lay up. Yeah. But you know, at times he's swinging for chances.
 Jesse, I know everybody knows probably where to find you. But where do you direct people when they're wanting to keep up with you?
 Oh, just Instagram, Jesse Palmer on Instagram and Jesse, Jesse Palmer TV on Twitter. He's pretty much it.
 Hey, yeah. Hey, I really enjoyed this. I hope we can do it again down the road and love the set touch.
 Absolutely, brother. Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it.
 Hey, guys, we really appreciate Jesse Palmer. Go follow the bachelor. The season. If you're watching, if you're listening to this, the season is probably already over.
 Yes, what Jesse's still out there. Go check him out on college football. He's great. We really appreciate him.
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