#8 Kansas Survives Sunflower Showdown, Penn State's Izzy Starck is the Real Deal

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Hi volleyball fans and welcome back to volley talk the podcast created for volleyball lovers who want to dig deep into what is going on

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in NCAA and international volleyball. I'm your host Sarah pavin

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I'm an Olympian beach volleyball world champion former Nebraska corn husker and a longtime pro both indoor and on the beach

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And I'm Adam Schultz former indoor player international volleyball coach and stats guru. I love that name for you

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It was a wild week in NCAA volleyball and we're excited to share our thoughts on some key matches in

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Particular a couple of interesting ones from the big 12 and the big 10. Let's get started

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Like we said, it was a little bit of a wild week this week in NCAA volleyball

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To kick things off number 25 Auburn will likely drop out of the top 25 rankings because they lost to two

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Unranked opponents they lost in five to Alabama

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And then number 20 Auburn will likely drop out of the top 25 rankings because they lost to two

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Unranked opponents they lost in five to Alabama and in four to Tennessee

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So I think we're gonna see a switch up at the bottom of those top 25 rankings this week number 24

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Byu beat number 20, Utah 3-2 in what was another

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Interesting match well surprisingly Utah had their two lowest hitting percentages in the sets

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They won hitting 191 and 130 and sets 2 & 3 respectively

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Byu had their lowest hitting percentage in those sets as well, but that makes a little more sense given that they lost

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Yeah, that's pretty wild when I was looking at the stats

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I'm like you literally won the two sets where you hit the worst

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Well, it was also interesting because Utah had a higher hitting percentage as a team in the fifth set as well and

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Still lost that match

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So I mean there were other things going on. They had 17 service errors. They were out blocked

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They dug roughly the same, but they they were just more error prone at key times than Byu was

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We saw a lot of swings in momentum in that match and especially at the end of the fifth set

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I recall Utah being up 10-7 and then it was like 13-10 or something like that

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Yeah, and for me the biggest part of that story was Utah's outside hitters went 145 on 110 sets

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That's just not gonna cut it because you had Claire Little for Byu hitting 289 on 50 swings

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That's fair. Claire Little and Ellie Mortenson did lead the way for Byu

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They had 18 and 17 and a half points respectively

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We saw the same point totals from the top two scores for Utah as well in Emre Satuwala and Cameron Gabadlo

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But as we said the point swings the lack of consistency. I think it kind of told the story there

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The other thing that I think is so crazy was how high Byu and Utah were passing

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Well knowing that the Byu coach was a protege of the Utah coach it kind of made sense

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But the sheer number of overpasses in that match from both sides which doesn't really show up on

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the stat line anywhere was staggering and that's a byproduct of trying to pass like that

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Like if you're passing with tempo it allows for a little more wiggle room as far as precision goes

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on the pass when you're trying to make your pass hit such a high peak and then fall perfectly at

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that two and a half position it's hard. Well and Utah specifically had a tough time getting their

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middles going and I attribute that to the high pass as well it's hard to find your timing

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when you're looking for the ball and it's dropping and to be in the air at the right time

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I don't understand the strategy but I don't know that those teams intimately enough to

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criticize I suppose. Yeah I mean as you said the timing for the middle attackers on passes at high

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are so challenging and we saw so many overpasses but it was an entertaining game nonetheless

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the Byu fans were rowdy as ever so yeah love an in-state rivalry matchup. Lots of emotion

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lots of cheering Byu fans were going crazy. In other news number three Penn State had a decisive

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3-0 victory over number 14 Minnesota. I must admit I expected a lot more from this match but Penn

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State just looked to be on a completely different level than Minnesota. Minnesota looked disjointed

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they hardly ran the middle Julia Hanson had 11 kills and hit 345 for Minnesota but that's really

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the only bright spot offensively that was there for the Gophers. It just did not look smooth things

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were not flowing as you said they had just one heck of a time running the middle defensively

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they also they blocked decently well but I was I was disappointed I don't know I had such high hopes

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because I saw Minnesota play Wisconsin earlier this year I saw them play Purdue there's a little

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more firepower it's almost it looks just so flat. Well you kept expecting them to get it going like

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they would have three or four good plays in a row and you would think okay they've got the momentum

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you know this is going to stay close they're going to keep playing well and then they drop

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four or five points in a row on on silly mistakes and they just never found any consistency in that

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match. They're given how the match was going there was honestly no need for any big-time

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production from anybody on Penn State but Jess Merzuch had 19 points and Karen Hanna had 12.

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Their lowest hitting percentage in like each individual set was 233 which is very good but

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in the third set they hit 395 as a team. We were talking last week about Utah playing Baylor and

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having a 391 hitting percentage enough said 395 you are just like a well-oiled machine at that

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time and you're basically unstoppable so that pretty much sums up the Penn State Minnesota match.

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Another match that I was really excited for and had very high hopes was number one pit playing

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number five Stanford. This match again was disappointing I thought there was going to be

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more to it. Stanford did not look good they hit 065, 071, and 133 in their three sets. Those the

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scores weren't even close. At least they were getting better set by set. I mean I think that's

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the only if that's the takeaway that's the takeaway. On the flip side pit hit 308, 276, and 351.

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It's not it's not even close and the scores dictated that there was there was no match there

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to be seen. As the scores were rolling in I was just my jaw was hitting the floor. I thought that

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this would be like a barn burner you know get oh I love a top 10 matchup give it to me all day.

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This was a literal steamrolling. I mean Stanford they had one player who played well Jordan Harvey

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hit 368 with 11 kills but their outside hitters nine kills 11 errors on 39 swings combined. You

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just that's just not good enough when you're playing a top 10 matchup. Yeah you definitely

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need more production from your outsides but Pitt was solid. Yeah I mean Babcock was good again 17

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kills 361. Stafford was good 12 kills 208 and Kelly had four kills and seven block. Like they

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were just solid all the way across their team. Honestly though I don't think that this loss will

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really impact Stanford too much from a rankings perspective. I think they'll still be pretty high

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up there. I mean you're you played the number one team in the country but I will say it was nice to

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see Pitt come out and dominate after that questionable performance they had last week against SMU.

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You could tell they like took it personally. They're like we are not messing around here and

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that is what you expect from the number one team in the nation. Yeah and we talked about that match

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against SMU being a maybe a bit of a wake-up call tuned things up and this was the perfect match to

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do that. We also saw Wisconsin beat Oregon 3-1 and Boston College pushed Florida State to five this

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week. Lots of fun stuff but it is time to take on our feature matches of the week which are Kansas

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versus K-State and Ohio State versus Penn State. Our first feature match of the week takes us to

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the Big 12 where number eight Kansas played Kansas State in the Sunflower State Showdown.

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I was skeptical of this match to get started. We had a number eight versus an unranked team

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and you looked at me and said don't sleep on this match it's gonna be a good one. 100% that actually

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happened and I'm aging myself here but I played for Nebraska and they are in the Big 12. Don't

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do the math thank you and I know how much the state of Kansas loves volleyball. Every time we

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went to play Kansas or K-State it was rowdy. The people were into it and so the fact that it's an

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in-state rivalry match I thought that it could be pretty spicy and it was because Kansas beat them

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in a super tight match three to two. And not only was the match tight but all of the sets were

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very close could have gone either way and honestly you never had any idea what was going to happen in

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each set. I will say it was unfortunate each team had a player go down with an injury and you never

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want to see that happen. Liz Grogorski for K-State went down in the second set. At the time she was

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leading the team in scoring and then in the fifth set Toyozi Onabonjo went down for KU. Both didn't

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look great obviously we're hopeful that this is nothing serious for either player but you hate to

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see that happen especially in such a tight match. Well and it was kind of crazy that both of them

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were leading their teams in points when they went out. Grogorski had seven kills and nine points

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total and Onabonjo was hitting 571 with 16 points and 14 kills. Interestingly the two middles were

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the top scores for KU which in a five-set match you're kind of expecting that kind of production

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from your outsides maybe your opposite but I thought it was really cool that Onabonjo

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and Reese Patak were leading the way. And I think that that actually bodes well for them as a team

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moving forward because if your middles are that much of a threat your outside should theoretically

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have an easier night. And I will say I was specifically impressed with Patak who as a

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freshman hit 533, 11 kills, 11 block assists for 16 and a half points and she she's going to be very

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good for a long time. I really liked her too. She made a couple of young maybe inexperienced

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plays early. Caught up in the emotion of the match I think. Yeah you know she kind of tried to steal

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a pass from the libero on a short serve at one point kind of you know shanked another one at

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another point but she kind of she found her rhythm as the match progressed you could see her kind of

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like getting more and more confident with each set as the match progressed and like was bringing

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some fire and energy and you could see the older players on the court looking at her like

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okay I like this. I have nothing to base this on but she seems like a quiet person in general

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and she was fired up by the end of the match. I honestly think that she could be very good.

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She is very good obviously but I think if she continues to improve you will be hearing her name

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consistently in coming years. The other thing that I thought is Regan Burns the libero. I thought

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that she played an excellent game. I don't think the stats adequately reflect how good she was though.

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Her plays were timely. She would make a dig when they needed it. She would step in and pass balls

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so that they could run the middle. I would agree with you. A couple tactical adjustments that I

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respected from KU. Grigoryski for K-State was kind of going off in set one and she was scoring the

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majority of her points just swinging really high over the setter down the line. I thought Kansas was

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really smart in set two. They immediately moved their setter away from her to put a bigger block

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in front. I understand Grigoryski didn't finish the match but I thought that that was very smart

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and they did it right away. Well I was interested to see when they made that adjustment in the

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second set what was going to happen moving forward and if it was going to be a cat and a mouse move

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for the rest of the match but unfortunately we didn't get to see how that played out. The other

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thing that I thought they did really well was they switched out their second left side. So the

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outside hitter number two and they had another outside who was coming in to serve and play

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defense across the back row. So they started with Caroline BN attacking and Aya Ilnadi as the serving

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and defensive sub. Partly through the match they completely flipped the script and had them switch

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roles and Ilnadi started attacking and BN was coming in to serve. I thought that was really

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smart. BN also was recruited as a defensive specialist so she has that background but to

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make that kind of heads up play and to make such a drastic switch I thought it paid off

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because Ilnadi was pretty clutch down the stretch. I think that that was a really heads up play by

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the coaching staff. You really have to know your players and where they're going to excel and to

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move someone from being serving and defensive specialist and then expecting them to hit. I

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know the players come in as left sides DS's but to switch that role in the match and for her to

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step up and do that I thought was impressive. This might not be a popular opinion but I have an opinion

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about Cameron Turner the setter for KU. I felt like her setting particularly to the left side

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was pretty inconsistent and having that sort of side view of the court it made it very obvious

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in that the distance off the net was fluctuating between being too tight and too far off.

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You really saw Kansas struggle early their outside hitters and they were missing a lot of swings

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outside the court. I really think that that's because with the tempo of offense they were

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running they were often getting underneath the ball as it flared off the net and they weren't

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able to put that spin on the ball that they needed to keep it in. You saw it kind of even itself out

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a little bit. It definitely stayed for the most part in that match and I don't know if that was

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like more of an adjustment on the outside hitters part but it made it really hard for the outside

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hitters to kind of find a rhythm. I saw the same thing when they were playing and for me this is

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going to be one of the key areas for them as a team as to whether they're successful for the rest

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of the year or not. They've got great middles so there should be less pressure on the outsides.

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If Turner can get their outside hitters in a rhythm they should have one one and a half blocks

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and they'll be very successful but if those hitters are constantly struggling to find rhythm

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they're going to struggle against better teams bigger blocks they need to clean that up if

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they're going to continue to lead the way. I also don't know if this was a game plan decision or if

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it's just Cameron Turner's setting style but on out of system balls she very often reversed the flow

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instead of sticking with maybe an option that would give better execution of the set. For example

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when KU was struggling to pass a lot of their passes were behind the 10-foot line around zone

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five and I would say nine times out of ten Turner was forcing the long distance slide for the middles

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from that point and it was very consistently off the net. I think sometimes I understand wanting

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to reverse the flow to get the blockers moving and have a little decomposed block defense so to speak

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but I think if a set is executed well even if it's overloading and the blockers are already waiting

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the hitters have a better opportunity to score. I agree with you on that I thought what they should

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have done if you don't want to load your hitters up against the two-man block is run a back row

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ball it doesn't have to necessarily score and you know maybe she's more consistent in those situations

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in general and she had a bad day but the coaches need to see that and go okay it's time to simplify

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you know the offense is not working the way we wanted to focus on putting your hitters in a good

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place to score. Yeah the passing was not great from Kansas for the entire match but I think she

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was trying really hard to go for long distance sets. I think incorporating more back row definitely

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could have alleviated some of that but I think you know kind of pushing if they do want to run

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that distance pushing the ball a little closer to the net so at a worst case scenario they're able

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to recycle that ball and the hitter can like look for the block to either wipe off or bring it back

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I think that could pay off more than running a long distance ball at the 10-foot line.

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It'll be interesting to see if they make those adjustments in their next matches because I know

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they have a couple big games coming up. I'm curious if you think K-State gave up the match

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in the fourth set we had a scenario at 21-20 where they got a free ball and the libero made a super

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tight pass that ended up with them losing the point and from there they proceeded to bad set

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to the left side, bad set to the pin on a slide and then missed set to the left side where she

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got blocked for the match on a bad pass and it all stemmed from that one poor free ball execution.

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I'm all for a turning point you know that. I truly believe that that pass you're talking about at 21-20

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was that turning point because guess what Adam that set ended 25-20. You didn't score another point.

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You're telling me crunch time you're up 2-1 you have a chance to close out a match on the road

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against a top 10 team you get a free ball at 21-20 and you're gonna pass that over the net?

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That's unacceptable. You had a chance to make it 21-21 on what is arguably the most straightforward

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type of play in volleyball a free ball and you didn't score another point in that set because

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you did not execute that straightforward play and then I really think that that bled over into the

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fifth set because they could not recover they didn't recover. No the fifth set they just they

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were walked over. Their serving pressure disappeared I loved how they were serving KU all through the

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match those serves were hitting the KU passers in the throat they looked like they were coming high

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but then would drop out but in the fifth set after that run of points at the end of the fourth

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serving pressure disappeared their serve receive everything was getting pulled off the net they

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could not refine their footing and I know it sounds like such a small thing but volleyball is a game

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of momentum and when you have a chance to stop a team from keeping that momentum you have to do it.

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Now do you think that's a case of an inexperienced team that's them looking at thinking hey we might

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beat a ranked team hey this is a this is an opponent that we want to that we want to beat

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like what do you think the mindset is in that set because not only do you not execute on that free

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ball but you crumble after that. I don't know it's hard to say like because I don't know them

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or their team like personally or well but you know there is definitely some excitement if you're the

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underdog thinking like we're so close like you can smell it almost and so you know maybe there's some

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like jitters and nerves associated with that maybe it's you know a lack of mindfulness around a play

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or a skill that is so easily executed. It's hard to say but like in pressure moments even the easiest

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skills you just need to be so mindful and so focused because then you don't want to see

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something like this that happened where all the wheels fell off. It was a disappointing way to

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end a match that had been incredibly exciting up until that point. I also have to give a shout out

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though to Shaili Myers who came in off the bench when Liz Grigorjski went down with her injury.

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She was probably on the bench like seeing Grigorjski playing so well being like okay well

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I'll be ready but like she's doing a good job like there's probably not a high chance that I'll be

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I'll be playing today and then being thrown in in a match like playing your in-state rival. I thought

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she did an incredible job. She was scoring points. She was serve receiving like I've got to give her

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props for stepping up like that. She ended the day really well. She hit 250, nine kills, 10 points

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total. By coming in for your star player and putting that those kind of points up she did her

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job for sure. It'll be interesting to see how Kansas you know finishes out big 12 play. They've

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got some tough opponents coming up like you said and hopefully you know Kansas State will take this

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match learn from it and keep building because they showed that they have the potential and they can

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push top teams. So this one was fun and and I always loved the big 12. Yeah it was interesting

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that was the first big 12 match that I've kind of watched all the way through. So it was good to see

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that level of volleyball. We watched a lot of big 10 recently. Our second feature match was Ohio State

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versus number three Penn State. A couple days before this match coach Katie Schumacher Collie

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of Penn State announced her recent breast cancer diagnosis. Our thoughts and prayers are with her

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and her family as she battles this illness and I just have to say it was so touching to see

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the Ohio State athletes wearing the pink ribbons in their hair to support her and her own athletes

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showing their support as well. This match featured the number one and number two big 10 players in

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a tax per set Emily Laundotte of Ohio State and Jess Merzik of Penn State. I think that this match

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was a perfect example of a school that chose to recruit from the transfer portal Penn State versus

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one that chose to go about the more traditional methods of building a team in Ohio State. Now I'm

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not going to lie I was unsure what we were going to see as the match started 6-0 for Ohio and then

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swung to 6-6 after that. It's not very often you see a match go six point for six point swing start.

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Unless it's BYU in Utah. Well that's fair. I guess maybe we have a way of picking them. Yeah we're

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really picking the the momentum games here. I liked Ohio's serving strategy to start targeting

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the left side Merzik. She didn't pass super well but I do have to give her credit. Even though that

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wasn't working for her she is a workhorse. She works to get outside. She hits her passes that

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maybe aren't the best and makes something out of it. Her workload is large. That's for sure.

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Ohio State was not hiding the fact that they were like we are going to make you work for every point

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you get here. They served her I want to say close to every single ball. And if it didn't somebody

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poached they they didn't miss and they came hard at her. She I mean is she the greatest passer of

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all time? No but that being said she finds ways to score and there's a reason that she's the number

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two player in the Big Ten in a tax per set. I was very impressed with her. She has a very fast arm.

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She swings high and deep. She's not necessarily going for extreme angles but she's able to she

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has great vision sees the block and is able to clip those fingertips when she's in trouble.

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I thought she played great. Who do you think was better her or Londa? Without question in that

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head-to-head battle Jez Mirzik wins. I would agree. I would agree which was a little disappointing

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is the wrong word but I thought that the freshies for Ohio State held it down in that match. Well

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Emmy Selman was the top scorer for Ohio State in that match. She was incredible. We're talking so

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Londa usually gets like 35% of the attacks for Ohio State. Emmy Selman this is the first match

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she got more sets than Londa did. 63 to 59. I mean still very close and those two definitely

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carried the load for Ohio State. I think like the difference in the kills that those two had versus

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the rest of the team was just not even comparable. The thing going back to your question about Londa

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versus Mirzik. Mirzik also hits a very good back row ball and they they run her on the right side

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which you wouldn't expect from a left side attacker. They usually come out of the pipe

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but I just found her to be incredibly more effective than Londa in the back row. I was

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actually shocked they kept running Londa out of the back row. I thought they should have set Emmy.

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She was more dynamic. She was jumping well. I understand that she's been great for you all

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season. She's the number one player. It was just a feeling thing watching the match that set Emmy.

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Let her go. Give her the ball. She's scoring. It was so cool to see Emmy Selman just kind of

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come into her own in that match. I really liked the Ohio State freshman. I think Selman has a

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super high ceiling. She's long. You know she hits good angles. Like mixes it up to line and angle.

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I think once she gets a little bit physically stronger. Once she gets a little more comfortable

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with the speed of the Big Ten game and improves a bit on defense. She can do it.

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I completely agree and I think that her and Reese the other young left side.

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Webker. I think that they're going to be a duo that you can build the program around.

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Now the one thing I will say is you had two freshmen and a freshman, Libero,

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kind of covering that angle side of the court. There were a few times where they seemed out of

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sync or they weren't moving into the right defensive positions. I thought that was one of

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the differences in the match was that Penn State was making more digs and those three,

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you know maybe being freshmen or maybe not being used to how that team would attack,

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didn't adjust well in certain situations and should have had more digs.

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I think that's fair. Going back to what you said about Reese Webker. I do think that her and Selman

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are a great one-two punch for outside hitter combos. You've got Selman who is bigger,

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playing at a higher level above the net. But then you've got Reese Webker who has outstanding ball

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control. She does jump well but the thing I noticed is she struggles a bit to hit those imperfect sets.

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But that's the thing when you have an outside hitter combo, one player, you know their role is

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typically more of the ball control role and the other one is more of a point score. Is this a

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steadfast rule? Absolutely not. But that's like the traditional layout of an outside hitter combo on

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a team. I think those two together definitely exemplify that. I agree. I think the setter

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Tooman needs to not go to Webker in some of those out of system scenarios. You're going to have to

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put her in a position where she can be successful. But overall I thought those two did a fantastic

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job. I honestly think that Ohio State's future is so bright if this group of young athletes kind of

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sticks it out in the program. And you know only time will tell if Jen Flynn Oldenburg's choices

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and her recruiting strategy will play off long term. I love to see it personally. I'm a purist.

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I believe in building programs. And I loved to see that there were so many underclassmen on the Ohio

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State roster. Of the seven players who kind of played the most for Ohio State, all of them were

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underclassmen except for Lawndot and middle blocker Riley Rader. So I love to see that. This could be

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another segment. I hate the transfer portal. I think it's a cop out. But so I when I saw that

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I was like yes this for me is what college volleyball is about. I want to see this team go

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far. So I really really hope that these girls stay in the program and build together. I think the

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future is really bright for Ohio State as long as they're not savaged by the transfer portal.

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Something that I did want to say though is as we were saying Lawndot receives the majority

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of Ohio State sets. Number one in the Big Ten in kills per set. She had three swings for match.

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Ohio State was up 14-13 in the fifth. In that rally Lawndot got set three balls and I pretty

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sure she tipped two of them. Okay I was critical of Olivia Babcock last week in their loss to SMU

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so I need to say it to be fair. If you are the go-to player on your team part of that role is

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taking care of business when every single person in the gym knows you're getting the ball. It is

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hard. Trust me I've been there. It isn't easy being the person that everyone knows is going to get set

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and having to score anyways. Having a solid double block in your face at the most critical point in a

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match but you know what it is part of your job. Sometimes and don't get me wrong sometimes you

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will not be successful but I would much rather have seen her go up and take big rips at that

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at those balls instead of tipping them. Well and that's what I was going to say. You have to swing

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to win at that point because nobody else on your team is going to do it. You might not be it but

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you might also be the hero and that's your job and I thought she needed to be more aggressive.

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Yet again I was screaming at the TV being like why is she tipping that? Like it's okay you're

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getting so many sets you're not going to be perfect but in those moments you have to have

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the confidence to be like hell yeah I'm the one you want to set when the game's on the line and

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if you go down swinging you go down swinging but to see her tip two out of those three balls

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on match point that was tough. I will say however Mirzik is in the same position and that girl was

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ripping balls. I mean she put that team on her back and said we're good I may not be passing

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my best but I'm going to find ways to score and they did and the other thing I wanted to say was

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I thought the Penn State setter was outstanding. I love Izzy Stark. I think that she already is an

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outstanding setter but to come in and lead a program like Penn State the way that she is she's

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big she moves well. I know we were kind of critical of reversing the flow when we were talking about

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the Kansas setter doing that. The thing is I'm seeing Izzy Stark reverse the flow but put up

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perfect sets from compromised positions. This girl is strong okay in the Minnesota match I saw her

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backpedal to the scores table and jack a set to the outside and it was perfect. There's a difference

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between wanting to reverse the flow and to get the blockers moving just to do it versus executing it

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well and I she's doing a well. What and she's one of those players you look at her and you think

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every time she touches the ball she betters the ball and that's probably one of the best qualities

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you could have out of a setter. It was always in a position where the hitters could find a rhythm or

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do something of that. You didn't see her trapping her hitters or balls flaring off the net they were

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always in a zone they could hit and the other thing I thought she did well was she pushed her

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middles off the net gave them a chance and continue to keep them in the game. And that's the thing I

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think what you just you nailed it is like Penn State's not necessarily the best passing team out

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there. You do see Stark setting a lot of balls from the 10 foot line area but those hitters are

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in rhythm regardless of where the pass or dig is those hitters know that they can expect the ball

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to be where they want it. I think her future is so bright. I completely agree and I think it shouldn't

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go unstated you come in as a freshman with a lot of veteran players on that team. You've got to work

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to earn respect. You don't get that position just because you show up and I think she's done a

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fantastic job there in a really difficult spot. Overall I thought it was a very entertaining match

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to watch. I was surprised given you know Ohio State's season that they've had up to this point. I was

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surprised that they pushed Penn State so hard but they showed up and like we said Emi Selman taking

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some of that load off of Londot played a big role in that and it was great. Yeah it was awesome to

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see her come out and play that well and hopefully she can keep that going for the rest of the season.

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All right it's time for a new segment on the show that we're going to give a we're going to give a

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shot it's called verify or veto. And in this segment I'm going to ask Sarah a question and

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she doesn't know what's coming and she either has to verify or agree with my statement or veto it

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and tell me why. Are you ready? Okay if I agree I just say yeah verify and if not then I explain.

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No I want to know I want your explanation regardless why you agree or why you disagree.

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Okay I'm nervous. Okay so the first question is or the first statement is Ohio State will move

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into the rankings by next season. At what point in the season? At any point during the season they

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will be ranked. Verify I agree. I think the results that you're seeing from Ohio State this year are

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a product of just their youth and experience. They're also playing in arguably the toughest

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conference of in NCAA volleyball so there is a learning curve there. You're not going to be

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amazing right away but I think if this crew stays together they have the potential to be very good.

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So verify. Okay next one Izzy Stark will be a first team All-American this year. Verify. Oh that

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was quick. I don't even have to think about it. Comparing she is just so solid in all like the way

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that she's able to run this offense and I've seen Penn State play a few times this year. She is

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confident. She's sure of herself. She knows how to run an offense. She betters the ball. Her hitters

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know what to expect. Some of the sets that she makes from just the most unfortunate out of system

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situations that is something that I would expect from somebody with a lot more experience. I think

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I haven't seen a young setter like her in a long time so verify. Well I'm a little surprised about

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that one. Really? I figured you would play the field on that one. No. Okay here we go. Three more

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teams will forfeit against San Jose State by the end of the season. Can I ask a clarification

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question? Three more teams aside from the ones who have already like if they re in the second round

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of the conference. Oh fair. Let's go four matches will be forfeited between now and the end of the

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season. Verify. I think that the teams that you know forfeited their matches against San Jose State

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in the first round of conference play will probably forfeit them in the second round as well. I can't

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see those teams you know having a change of heart all of a sudden so yeah verify. Man I'm agreeing

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with everything. Okay last one we'll see if you agree with this one or not. Kansas will finish at

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the top of the big 12 this season. Oh this is an interesting question. I'm gonna say Vito. Give me

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give me your reasoning. In watching some other ranked teams in the big 12 I feel like I feel

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like they will definitely be pushed but I feel like certain teams get more production from

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their outsides. Like Utah they're big their outsides are very dynamic. I can see Utah causing them

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problems. I can see Arizona State causing them problems and they went five with K-State at home.

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You know I'm just gonna be spicy and Vito. All right there you have it. There's the

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Verifier Vito. First round loved it. All right it is time for our weekly hot takes. Adam what's yours?

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So mine's less of a hot take and more of an annoyance but I watched several different

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broadcasts this week and there's a common theme and it drives me nuts every time I hear it.

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And it's putting caveats on athletes abilities. So you always hear this that girl moves well

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for a big girl or that girl scores despite being small and you know what it's a complete disservice

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to these athletes. If you're tall and you move well you move well. You may not run a 40 as fast

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as somebody who's smaller than you but you're athletic and you move well. Leave it at that.

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And you know what if you're 5'9 and you can go up and you're dynamic and you rip talk about them

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talk about them playing volleyball. Look at how well she jumps. Look at how well her vision is.

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Don't go with the generic. Look at her scoring and she's only 5'8, 5'9. To me seeing the hard

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work that athletes put into their craft to be good at what they do it's that part just drives me nuts.

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As a big girl I can get behind this statement. I don't want to hear all the reasons why I'm good

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but I probably shouldn't be. And that goes for smaller girls as well. It's like we're athletes.

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Let's celebrate our athleticism. Let's talk about the things that we're able to do and call it a

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campaign. I can get behind that hot take 100%. My hot take might actually be like a legit hot take.

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Shocker.

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My hot take is that Minnesota is hanging on to a number 14 ranking because of only two wins.

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The win the five set wins they had against Texas and Wisconsin. For me the five set win that they

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had against Texas in like I don't know the second match of the season it's irrelevant at this point.

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We saw the teams that Texas lost to. They had three losses in the preseason. It wasn't pretty.

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So I don't think that that ranking or that win can necessarily be contributing to them being 14.

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And again they beat Wisconsin. That one's fine. But if you look at their schedule every single

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ranked team that they have played other than those two they have lost to. Oftentimes not even close.

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Take Texas out of it. That was literally over a month ago and I think that Minnesota should be

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ranked much lower than they are. I think that's a fair argument. Things just keep getting better

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and better in NCAA volleyball and we have got another big week coming up this week. On Friday

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TCU is playing Baylor. And then on Saturday we have a big day in college volleyball. It's Wisconsin

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and Purdue. Utah versus Kansas and Penn State versus USC. I'm personally excited to see Utah

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play Kansas. This kind of ties into one of the verifier veto questions you asked and I think

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that Utah is one of the teams that could take down Kansas if they get their point runs under

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control. So I'm excited to see that one. We might have to visit the veto segment again and see. We

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might know the answer for sure by next week. And Adam will be like you were wrong on every single one.

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This week Louisville has a big week because they've got Pitt on Friday and that's a one versus four

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matchup and then on Sunday they're taking on number 12 SMU. So they took on Stanford's schedule

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from this past week. So we'll see how Louisville fares and hopefully they'll put up a better fight

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against Pitt than Stanford did. I hope that game is not a disappointment. I'm excited for that one.

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I want to tune in live so like no matter what happens I just like watching good volleyball.

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So I hope that that's the case. That might have the potential to be the best match of the week.

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