Episode 32 - The Voice They Tried to Bury; Mary Magdalene, The Hidden Apostle

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<v Rach>Hello and welcome to the long awaited episode on Mary Magdalene.

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<v Jaisa>Woo.

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<v Rach>woo.

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<v Rach>We made it.

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<v Rach>Okay, you guys, truth be told,

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<v Jaisa>rich and

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<v Rach>rich and I recorded like.

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<v Rach>Four episodes on this and.

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<v Rach>Here's the thing with Mary Magdalene, and really what we're uncovering about a lot of the gnostic texts and this whole, early Christianity, and really like the genesis of Jesus's movement, right?

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<v Jaisa>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Is, it's like Pandora's box.

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<v Rach>It really is.

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<v Rach>And the problem is that.

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<v Rach>When every single time we read something we're like whoa.

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<v Rach>And there's, it's hard to get our footing.

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<v Rach>So we just took a step back.

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<v Rach>Yep.

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<v Rach>We did.

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<v Rach>We all, we did.

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<v Jaisa>did

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<v Rach>Was research on who she was.

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<v Rach>We haven't even like really dived into her text.

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<v Rach>And the interpretations and the mis like historical aspect of that.

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<v Rach>No, we just were focusing on purely who she was, who is, who was this Mary, and like why it is so

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<v Jaisa>exciting,

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<v Rach>especially in this day and age, to really understand who she was and what she stood for and what that means to us today.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Exactly.

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<v Rach>Okay, so we're gonna, we're gonna bring it back in time.

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<v Rach>As recent as 1945, there was archeological findings that paint an astonishing new picture of Mary Magdalene.

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<v Rach>Not as a prostitute, but one as a leader, if not the most important leader in Jesus's ministry.

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<v Rach>That's what's been so amazing to me about this whole research that we've done.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>Is realizing the.

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<v Rach>Potential significance in leadership role she had amongst the disciples.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>Like I went from absolutely rip shit that somebody who was in Jesus' inner circle was mislabeled as a prostitute to now being like.

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<v Rach>Oh my gosh.

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<v Rach>There's so much more to this story.

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<v Rach>Yeah, so much more to this story.

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<v Rach>And like I was saying too, it made so much sense all of a sudden why perhaps she was the first one to see him.

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<v Rach>After he died.

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<v Rach>Everything makes more sense though.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>I'm like, oh yeah, if she's like his right hand, his sidekick, his most enlightened confidant.

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<v Rach>Disciple.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>That makes total sense why Mary May have been the first to see him a hundred percent And share the word with the others.

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<v Rach>Exactly.

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<v Rach>It makes even like the Bible's representation of Mary, which never called her a prostitute, by the way.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>But it now makes like the.

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<v Rach>Mystery surrounding Mary Magdalene in the actual Bible make more sense.

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<v Rach>Right?

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<v Rach>Totally.

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<v Rach>Essentially it was invented that she was a prostitute.

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<v Rach>And we believe, and it's not just you and I, scholars believe that this was precisely done to counter.

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<v Rach>This extraordinarily strong leadership

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<v Jaisa>and

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<v Rach>Prophecy from this woman, right?

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<v Rach>Like she was prophetic.

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<v Rach>And the more that we dig into it, we really understand why.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So what I thought was super interesting is where they traced that back to, is the start of her being called and recognized as a prostitute was with this Pope Gregory.

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<v Rach>So 50% of women during this time period were named either Mary or Salame.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>And so there were a ton of Marys, you guys.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>And in the Bible they reference a ton of different Mary's.

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<v Rach>There's Mary of Bethany.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>There's Mary, the mother of Jesus.

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<v Rach>There's Mary Magdalene.

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<v Rach>There's just a random Mary.

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<v Rach>There's a gaggle of Mary's.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>And so what he did essentially was he was trying to make an argument claiming that the woman who came to Jesus, the prostitute that came to Jesus, wept at his feet and wiped away.

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<v Rach>Her tears with her hair was in fact Mary Magdalene.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>Which.

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<v Rach>We are now realizing just historically, that does not add up.

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<v Rach>Absolutely.

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<v Rach>And they believe that absolutely was not her.

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<v Rach>That was not her.

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<v Rach>And yeah and like it was, quote unquote the woman was named like the sinner.

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<v Rach>It was an unnamed woman, right?

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<v Rach>You're right, he conflated it.

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<v Jaisa>it.

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<v Rach>I think.

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<v Rach>You know where we landed and where a lot of scholars land.

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<v Rach>It was that this was very intentional for this Pope for sure to like very specifically, take the most.

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<v Rach>Revered and regarded disciple, and one which we will uncover had a very disruptive message to the early church and one that was really trying to consolidate one unified message to gain control and power and really centralize that like it was to completely undermine her.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So basically guys.

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<v Rach>Everything got shooken up.

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<v Rach>1945.

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<v Rach>There were we farmer?

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<v Rach>Here we go.

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<v Rach>Yeah, buckle up.

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<v Rach>There were farmers in Egypt who were looking for fertilizer in their fields.

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<v Rach>Okay.

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<v Rach>So they're digging.

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<v Rach>I don't know, like how you look for fertilizer.

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<v Rach>Are they looking for like cow poop?

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<v Rach>I don't, I didn't understand.

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<v Rach>I don't get it either, but whatever.

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<v Rach>Okay.

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<v Rach>Whatever.

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<v Rach>They're doing it, they're looking for fertilizer, so they're digging and they unearth this ancient jar.

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<v Rach>This is something from a movie.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>In my mind like Indiana Jones, can you imagine?

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>No.

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<v Rach>What is this vessel, right?

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So they open up this thing and they find papyrus books.

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<v Rach>That are 2000 years old, nuts, 2000 years old.

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<v Rach>And what they turned out to be were lost gospels written by the first generation of Christians, which is so crazy.

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<v Rach>Which is crazy.

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<v Rach>And this became known as the.

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<v Rach>Hamadi it.

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<v Rach>How is that how you would say it?

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<v Rach>I was wondering that too.

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<v Rach>That's what came to my mind was Nag Hamadi Library.

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<v Rach>Naati nti.

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<v Jaisa>If

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<v Rach>say it really fast.

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<v Rach>Maybe you don't realize then it sounds really legit and professional.

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<v Rach>Naati.

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<v Rach>Naati.

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<v Rach>Okay.

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<v Rach>Let's say it that way.

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<v Rach>Okay?

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<v Rach>And this includes texts like the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip, the secret teachings of John, the gospel of truth, et cetera, right?

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<v Rach>So these are foundational, gnostic.

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<v Rach>Writings.

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<v Rach>And if you don't know what Gnostic teaching is, we're gonna do this whole episode to Deep dive.

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<v Rach>'cause I didn't know what this was either, but essentially it's not a religion, it's more of think of it as like a movement, like gnostic means inner knowledge, right?

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<v Rach>Like knowledge from within.

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<v Rach>So if you think about that, the reason why Gnostic Beca really, it was the Woowoo New age of Christ's time.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>That's exactly what it was.

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<v Rach>It was more of this mystical understanding and relationship direct with Christ versus through the church.

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<v Rach>It doesn't take, a genius to understand why that would threaten so many people.

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<v Rach>And one thing that's really important to note is I made the assumption that the Gospel of Mary.

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<v Rach>Gospel of Mary Magdalene was in this collection of gnostic writing, but it actually wasn't.

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<v Rach>Her book, it was a different discovery, but her book was found earlier in 1896, and that's been known since then as the Berlin Codex.

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<v Rach>So the reason why sometimes these two things get lumped together is because they all embody gnostic themes.

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<v Rach>So things like inner divine knowledge.

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<v Rach>Things like rejection of institutional authority and this emphasis of.

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<v Jaisa>of

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<v Rach>Spiritual awakening.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Or spiritual actualization and not like the whole sin forgiveness thing.

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<v Rach>Okay.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So believers hid them.

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<v Rach>Some think there were monks or believers or people from the early church that hid them.

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<v Rach>Buried them, so they wouldn't be destroyed.

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<v Rach>This is what I thought was so interesting too, is I never realized that at the genesis of Christianity, there were so many different versions of it, essentially.

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<v Rach>A hundred percent.

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<v Rach>I know there were all these people who went out and already were seeing that start of like different denominations and different ways of practicing it, which I didn't realize existed back then.

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<v Rach>I know.

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<v Rach>But if you think about it like I had the same epiphany is like the disciples once they

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<v Jaisa>they

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<v Rach>became apostles, right?

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<v Rach>Like the witness and the teller of the resurrected Christ.

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<v Rach>They all just.

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<v Jaisa>just

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<v Rach>Scatter, scattered, like cockroach roaches somehow out fear, which we'll learn.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>And others out of like ministry.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So if you think about it, they're all kind of bringing their own lens, their own interpretations.

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<v Jaisa>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So it's not surprising that these early days, these early events.

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<v Rach>When there is no internet, when there is no, it's things are not.

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<v Rach>Easily replicated.

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<v Rach>So I thought it was really interesting to learn about Mary's early life.

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<v Rach>'cause obviously I had never before heard any of this.

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<v Rach>Yeah, I hadn't either.

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<v Rach>So she grew up in a village of Magdala, which is where she gets her name, Mary Magdalene.

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<v Rach>And this was like a small sea village in a province in Judea, and at the time it was predominantly Jewish.

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<v Rach>Okay.

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<v Rach>They were under Roman rule and it was really a hotbed of activity of people uprising against the Romans.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>They were not happy about it.

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<v Rach>These people came in the Romans and they were trying to force them to, take on the Roman way of life and.

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<v Rach>If people did not, they were punished either people would be crucified and left up to serve as an example for others to learn to step in line.

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<v Rach>Or they would take a group of people and just.

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<v Rach>Kill them all in the middle of the street and leave the bodies there as like a threat and a way to torment the citizens.

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<v Rach>So it really was like this really nasty, violent time during her life growing up there.

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<v Rach>But what we do know is that she was.

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<v Rach>Independently wealthy.

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<v Rach>She did not have to work.

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<v Rach>And as you had pointed out previously, is stated in the Bible that she helped fund Christ's ministry.

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<v Rach>And so that's another thing when we go down the path of looking at why she was called a prostitute.

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<v Rach>We also learned throughout this research is that prostitute didn't necessarily mean that you were sleeping with people for money.

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<v Rach>As a profession.

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<v Rach>It could also just be used as a way to.

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<v Rach>Shame a woman and basically call her a whore, say that she was sexually impure and sexually immoral.

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<v Rach>And so that's where that could have come into play because the reality is she didn't need to work for money.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>So many women of her time did.

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<v Rach>And that's perhaps why the popes, intentional.

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<v Rach>Unintentional.

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<v Rach>Wink.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Mislabeling stuck, right?

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<v Rach>Because people, you, that could have been dfu, refuted right away, right?

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<v Rach>Nope, Mary didn't actually need to work.

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<v Rach>But it was very convenient that prostitute just could mean either a slot.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Yes, an unfortunate mislabeling and, either representative of.

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<v Rach>Medieval misogyny or like very intentional suppression of women in the church.

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<v Rach>Either way, it gets us to the same place.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So one quote that I thought was, I don't know, really thought provoking is if you think about these different stories in the Bible, and how Mary Magdalene got her reputation as a prostitute.

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<v Rach>That's sinner that broke into the dinner where Jesus was.

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<v Rach>You were mentioning like wept.

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<v Rach>At his feet.

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<v Rach>He forgave her sins.

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<v Rach>All of these different things is that there's something that's repetitive, the story like the woman that was, about to be stoned because she was an adulterous, right?

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>These repetitive themes of these women that are forgiven because of.

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<v Rach>This sexual sin, right?

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Jaisa>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Jane Berg, the professor of Biblical studies and women's studies at the University of Detroit.

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<v Rach>Mercy said that the story of Luke isn't about Mary Magdalene, but this, again, this fulfills a need in Christian psyche for punishing women for sexuality.

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<v Rach>Yeah, and it really got me thinking.

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<v Rach>I was like, this is so interesting that like she's right.

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<v Rach>It's just been this like thing that Christians do to be like, oh, what a forgiving, loving Lord, took pity on this unclean woman.

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<v Rach>I.

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<v Rach>That's not it at all.

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<v Rach>And what we're actually finding is a lot of these women that were, conveniently misconstrued, right?

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<v Rach>We're actually the ones in an like superior position, right?

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<v Rach>And.

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<v Rach>You guys, we still see this today.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>I think in cases where women come forward and they talk about whether it's sexual harassment or sex, so often it's put back on the woman.

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<v Rach>Yeah, absolutely.

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<v Rach>What were you wearing?

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<v Rach>What was your behavior like?

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>What was it?

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<v Rach>It's like we still see this happening in our culture today.

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<v Rach>Absolutely.

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<v Rach>Where we shame or categorize women in a demeaning way to somehow take away their credibility.

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<v Rach>That has not changed.

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<v Rach>It hasn't changed.

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<v Rach>And remember the, I don't know, it was like two episodes ago, you and I were like.

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<v Rach>Why the hell has the church not been like, hold up.

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<v Rach>We really fucked up.

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<v Rach>Mary Magdalene actually wasn't a prostitute, wasn't a slot, but was a very pivotal, person in Jesus's ministry.

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<v Rach>They did put out a statement.

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<v Rach>So in 19, 19 69 the Vatican revised.

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<v Rach>But think about that.

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<v Rach>1969 is like so recent.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>And it's so ingrained in our culture that like the myth still exists today.

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<v Rach>Like you and I were saying I, we thought this up, up until a couple weeks ago.

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<v Rach>Oh.

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<v Rach>In Sunday school, as a kid, that's what I was taught.

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<v Rach>That's what you at,

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<v Jaisa>taught.

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<v Rach>right?

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So 1969, the Vatican did revise their Ravi.

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<v Rach>Official position and said it was an error to say that she was a prostitute or a sinner from Luke.

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<v Rach>And what I think is so interesting is that this really came on the heels of the discovery in 1945.

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<v Rach>There was enough evidence there.

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<v Rach>In those books that were discovered that really painted a very different picture of Mary.

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<v Rach>But there still isn't this like full on em embracing of these books.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>In these early ministries.

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<v Rach>But it was enough to say Oopsie.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>We sure got this one wrong.

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<v Rach>It's a complete I just, I, my mind is like blown that.

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<v Rach>Where she really was to the myth and the story that

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<v Jaisa>just

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<v Rach>has become part of our like religious fabric for hundreds of years.

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<v Rach>For

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<v Jaisa>For

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<v Rach>yes, and the truth.

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<v Jaisa>is now

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<v Rach>bubbling to the surface, which is honestly it feels like we're part of the movement.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Which God, it gets me and Rach so energized.

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<v Rach>Really, scholars are like the truth.

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<v Rach>The truth of the matter is she probably was a very, wealthy and pious girl from her region.

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<v Rach>Like all signs sort of point to that.

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<v Rach>And the theory is that like she gained such close, trust or felt such deep trust and admiration for Christ because he healed her of these things.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>And then they go on to talk about, imagine how brave she was.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Because she left everything she had ever known to follow this man.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>And go out in.

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<v Jaisa>help

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<v Rach>serve and spread the news.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>So clearly what Christ did for her, how he healed her was incredibly impactful and meaningful to her, and literally changed her life enough to where she wanted to leave this life of luxury comfort or whatever.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Exactly.

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<v Rach>And one thing I think is really interesting that, we stumbled upon as well, the scripture, that points to Mary Magdalene having money is that, it's in, it's Luke eight two and it says Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Susanna and many others provided for them out of their resources.

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<v Rach>So what's really ironic too, like now that we know who she really was, is that this.

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<v Rach>This put Mary almost in like a supporting role of Jesus, not in an inferior role.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>And almost like a socially superior role from some of the other disciples.

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<v Rach>And even I'm not saying in like even with Jesus, but think about that, right?

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Jaisa>Yeah.

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<v Jaisa>Like

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<v Rach>Like she was really the one that was helping get all, like the groups of people that were collecting and congregating and then spreading the word with.

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<v Jaisa>with

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<v Rach>Food, clothing, housing, all of these different things, right?

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<v Rach>So again, to insinuate that she was this like meek little woman in the corner,

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<v Jaisa>slut.

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<v Rach>Mary, you meek slut, mis begotten.

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<v Rach>Now that we know what that word is, right?

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<v Rach>Not true.

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<v Jaisa>So

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<v Rach>yeah, so

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<v Jaisa>paint

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<v Rach>painting a very different picture of Mary and

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<v Jaisa>okay,

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<v Rach>So this is gonna be controversial.

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<v Rach>Oh, we love that.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>This is gonna be controversial,

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<v Jaisa>but

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<v Rach>But there are different theories of what Mary's authority or her position in Jesus' ministry really meant.

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<v Rach>Okay.

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<v Rach>So some feel like she was his really close confidant, his most trusted disciple and other scholars, one in particular from Harvard.

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<v Rach>Let me get her name.

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<v Rach>I got her name.

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<v Rach>Karen King, who's the professor of ancient Christianity from Harvard.

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<v Rach>Dude, if I could go back and redo my ma, my major, that's what I would do.

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<v Jaisa>But

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<v Rach>she said that Mary Magdalene's role was unparalleled and she could almost be interpreted as a co-pro of Jesus.

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<v Jaisa>Yeah.

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<v Rach>This is what was so crazy to me.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>A true partner who preached next to him, somebody who learned from Christ, and somebody who Christ learned from.

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<v Rach>And that's wild you guys.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So we've gone from.

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<v Rach>Prostitute to somebody who's at the right hand of Jesus, a trusted confidant, a partner, somebody who's by his side, Ministering with him.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>This is before we were even getting to the absolute.

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<v Rach>Like awe of her being the first to witness Jesus's resurrection.

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<v Rach>There's like pieces of her story and of Jesus's story that tell us so much about their trust and their relationship.

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<v Rach>That

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<v Jaisa>again,

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<v Rach>like it makes the rest of it makes so much more sense.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>So one thing that I thought was super cool is in the gospel of Philip, which is one of'em that was found in Egypt

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<v Jaisa>when

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<v Rach>those farmers were digging is they talk about how there were always three who walked with Jesus.

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<v Rach>And that was Mary, his mother, the sister of Mary and Mary Magdalene.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Jaisa>And.

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<v Rach>And think about that.

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<v Rach>Think about that.

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<v Rach>Like those are the three, his mom, his aunt.

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<v Rach>And

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<v Jaisa>and

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<v Rach>Mary Magdalen are the three who always walk along his side.

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<v Rach>That's wild.

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<v Rach>Yeah, wild.

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<v Rach>And we're gonna have to fact check the odd thing.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>I thought it was the aunt, but it might've been like another Mary, which, there, it's very hard to keep track of all these Mary, you guys, Mary's 50% of the population.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Throw throw two women at him.

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<v Rach>One of'em is gonna be a Mary and like the, but here's the thing, right?

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<v Jaisa>Huh.

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<v Rach>Oh.

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<v Rach>Again, it's pointing to she had a very unique and special position

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<v Jaisa>within

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<v Rach>his ministry.

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<v Rach>She shared private moments, she got secret teachings and there was even she created resentment too.

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<v Rach>Like we insinuated about a little bit about that.

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<v Rach>And you guys, I was watching this other documentary about the gospel of.

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<v Rach>Mary, and I don't wanna get too far ahead, but I need to,'cause we're not talking about the Gospel of Mary, but listen to this.

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<v Rach>Listen to this quote.

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<v Rach>So there's resentment among the disciples.

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<v Jaisa>And

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<v Rach>there's a quote that says You love her more than all of us.

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<v Rach>And the savior answered and said to them, why do I not love you like her?

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<v Rach>When a blind man and one who sees are both in the darkness, they are no different from one another, but when the light comes, he who sees will see the light, and he who is blind will remain in darkness.

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<v Rach>I know

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<v Jaisa>So

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<v Rach>that everything,

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<v Jaisa>has everything.

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<v Rach>yes, she understood she was

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<v Jaisa>at

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<v Rach>an elevated, enlightened level that some of the other apostles were not.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>Is what I gather from that.

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<v Rach>Yes.

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<v Rach>And I think that's where the quote unquote favoritism came into play.

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<v Rach>Because you wanna think that Jesus omni loving, Omni, all of the things wouldn't necessarily show favoritism, but I do think it's different when he knows that one of his disciples,

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<v Jaisa>perhaps

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<v Rach>the most critical disciple, really understands things that are, out of reach for some of the other disciples.

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<v Rach>That he would give her privileged information.

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<v Rach>That he knew that he could trust her with, or he knew that she could.

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<v Rach>Identify with or properly translate or help explain.

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<v Rach>Explain, exactly.

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<v Rach>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Rach>So I don't know.

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<v Rach>And they like, there's been grumblings about, perhaps Jesus and Mary having.

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<v Rach>A relationship.

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<v Rach>Yeah, like an actual relationship.

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<v Rach>And like scholars actually are there isn't enough evidence that would point to that.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>And there is like one of the gnostic texts that says something about Jesus loved her more than all of the disciples, often kissing her on the plank.

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<v Rach>Because the text itself,

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<v Jaisa>what

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<v Rach>a mystery.

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<v Rach>It's like

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<v Jaisa>that

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<v Rach>one word.

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<v Rach>It's Yeah, of course.

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<v Jaisa>That's

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<v Rach>the one that's missing.

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<v Rach>We're all wondering.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Forehead.

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<v Rach>Lips, there's like a lot of different things, but scholars are actually like, I don't know.

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<v Rach>There really isn't enough evidence to support that.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So We're leaning towards perhaps that's not the case, but either way the relationship is in, like in terms of a sexual relationship, ambiguous.

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<v Rach>But we do know that there is something really special and deep.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>So

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<v Jaisa>let's

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<v Rach>start talking about the resurrection and like that whole era.

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<v Rach>So Mary's traveling with Jesus for four years and Jesus told Mary and the other disciples that, okay, we're gonna leave Galilee.

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<v Rach>And then go to Jerusalem to celebrate Passover.

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<v Rach>And this is the whole story of Palm Sunday.

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<v Rach>Palm Sunday, yeah.

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<v Rach>All of that goodness.

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<v Rach>Which we're all well familiar with.

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<v Rach>All right, so we're, now we're moving on to the resurrection.

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<v Rach>Okay.

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<v Jaisa>So

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<v Rach>Mary is with Jesus for four years, preaching, doing all these good things and like here's the thing, you guys, like anybody who congregated became a target of the Roman Empire because that was clearly like, what are these people talking about?

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>Are they planning to.

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<v Rach>Have an uprise.

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<v Rach>Yeah.

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<v Rach>What are they doing?

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<v Rach>So they're constantly putting themselves at risk and Mary was continually doing this even though she knew exactly what this could mean potentially.

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<v Jaisa>At

00:23:41.273 --> 00:23:46.283
<v Rach>dinner, at Passover dinner, you made a really good point about how.

00:23:46.528 --> 00:23:50.878
<v Rach>Traditionally you think like only the men were present, but they made a really good point.

00:23:50.878 --> 00:23:56.458
<v Rach>Do you wanna share that about like, how the women were involved, even though like it was in a traditional capacity, they were in the room.

00:23:56.458 --> 00:23:56.548
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:23:56.607 --> 00:23:58.888
<v Rach>They had just pointed out the fact that

00:23:59.121 --> 00:23:59.990
<v Jaisa>during,

00:24:00.128 --> 00:24:02.708
<v Rach>The years where they're traveling around with this group,

00:24:02.895 --> 00:24:03.076
<v Jaisa>The

00:24:03.128 --> 00:24:07.998
<v Rach>women most likely would've taken on the traditional role of preparing and serving the food for them.

00:24:08.087 --> 00:24:08.357
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:24:08.418 --> 00:24:13.548
<v Rach>And so they make the claim and the argument that this meal would be no different.

00:24:13.796 --> 00:24:14.125
<v Jaisa>so

00:24:14.178 --> 00:24:22.698
<v Rach>often we just assume that only the men were in that upper room that night having the meal, but the women would've been there as well, serving them and enjoying it with them.

00:24:22.788 --> 00:24:23.357
<v Rach>Yes.

00:24:23.388 --> 00:24:27.378
<v Rach>And I just think that's something, again, it's this privileged position.

00:24:27.378 --> 00:24:27.888
<v Rach>Yes.

00:24:27.928 --> 00:24:28.978
<v Rach>Yeah, absolutely.

00:24:29.161 --> 00:24:29.431
<v Jaisa>And

00:24:29.488 --> 00:24:32.097
<v Rach>Again, it's like going back to Da Vinci's last Supper, where.

00:24:32.303 --> 00:24:36.682
<v Rach>The disciple that's at Jesus's right hand, and especially now, oh my gosh.

00:24:36.682 --> 00:24:37.283
<v Rach>Like even

00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:37.740
<v Jaisa>we

00:24:37.823 --> 00:24:43.643
<v Rach>were talking about this a couple episodes ago, but even now after all of this research, just understanding who Mary really was.

00:24:43.763 --> 00:24:47.543
<v Rach>Yeah, it makes so much sense at Jesus's right hand Da Vinci.

00:24:48.173 --> 00:24:49.702
<v Rach>Put in a female.

00:24:49.702 --> 00:24:49.763
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:24:49.942 --> 00:24:52.073
<v Rach>And I really believe it was Marie Magdalene.

00:24:52.073 --> 00:24:56.543
<v Rach>And if like you do research on Da Vinci, that man was like all knowing.

00:24:56.543 --> 00:24:57.023
<v Rach>He

00:24:57.246 --> 00:24:57.576
<v Jaisa>had

00:24:57.682 --> 00:24:59.363
<v Rach>early drawings of helicopters.

00:24:59.363 --> 00:25:01.313
<v Rach>Like when you Insane it's like insane stuff.

00:25:01.462 --> 00:25:02.883
<v Rach>Like clearly like.

00:25:03.107 --> 00:25:04.248
<v Rach>Something is going on there.

00:25:04.248 --> 00:25:06.617
<v Rach>I can see forward, see backwards, all of this stuff.

00:25:06.617 --> 00:25:10.488
<v Rach>But I'm like the fact that, because there's plenty of different depictions of the last Supper.

00:25:10.548 --> 00:25:10.728
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:25:10.728 --> 00:25:12.198
<v Rach>But it's his in particular,

00:25:12.421 --> 00:25:12.631
<v Jaisa>That

00:25:12.708 --> 00:25:13.758
<v Rach>shows what

00:25:13.801 --> 00:25:14.341
<v Jaisa>I

00:25:14.388 --> 00:25:14.807
<v Rach>believe.

00:25:14.807 --> 00:25:17.958
<v Rach>And you believe to be very clearly a female disciple.

00:25:17.958 --> 00:25:18.018
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:25:18.048 --> 00:25:19.758
<v Rach>It looks, it's very a woman.

00:25:19.788 --> 00:25:22.908
<v Rach>And what's funny is I have seen that painting Yes.

00:25:22.908 --> 00:25:23.807
<v Rach>So many times.

00:25:23.857 --> 00:25:28.408
<v Rach>And it wasn't until we were doing our research that they pointed out, if you looked at the disciple on his right.

00:25:28.811 --> 00:25:29.141
<v Jaisa>she,

00:25:29.228 --> 00:25:31.898
<v Rach>So when you're looking at the painting, actually the left, right?

00:25:31.898 --> 00:25:31.988
<v Rach>Yes.

00:25:32.018 --> 00:25:33.188
<v Rach>But Jesus is right.

00:25:33.638 --> 00:25:34.148
<v Rach>It is.

00:25:34.148 --> 00:25:36.218
<v Rach>It's very feminine features.

00:25:36.248 --> 00:25:38.587
<v Rach>And I had never noticed that before.

00:25:38.617 --> 00:25:43.327
<v Rach>But now knowing the history and knowing a little bit more about Mary, I just think that's so amazing and cool.

00:25:43.357 --> 00:25:45.577
<v Rach>I think it's so cool and I don't think it's a coincidence.

00:25:45.577 --> 00:25:46.688
<v Rach>No, I don't either.

00:25:46.778 --> 00:25:47.048
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:25:47.198 --> 00:25:49.538
<v Rach>So you know, we talk about,

00:25:49.658 --> 00:25:49.837
<v Jaisa>the

00:25:49.934 --> 00:25:54.434
<v Rach>fact that there's this deep devotion to each other, and

00:25:54.638 --> 00:25:55.117
<v Jaisa>Mary

00:25:55.215 --> 00:25:57.585
<v Rach>stuck with Jesus the entire time,

00:25:58.073 --> 00:25:58.343
<v Jaisa>Like

00:25:58.455 --> 00:25:59.475
<v Rach>the entire time,

00:25:59.692 --> 00:26:00.173
<v Jaisa>even

00:26:00.255 --> 00:26:04.335
<v Rach>when it was probably unbearable to watch and he's suffering.

00:26:04.545 --> 00:26:05.955
<v Rach>She did not leave his side.

00:26:06.105 --> 00:26:10.170
<v Rach>She was willingly putting herself in a position of complete.

00:26:10.567 --> 00:26:11.678
<v Jaisa>risk.

00:26:11.779 --> 00:26:12.380
<v Rach>Danger.

00:26:12.410 --> 00:26:13.190
<v Rach>Danger, yeah.

00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:15.049
<v Rach>To be at his feet.

00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:18.259
<v Rach>Clearly a supporter of his, clearly a believer of his.

00:26:18.380 --> 00:26:18.650
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:26:18.710 --> 00:26:22.100
<v Rach>And surrounded by these soldiers who are crucifying him.

00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:26.890
<v Rach>And it just points to that her love for Jesus far outweighed her fear.

00:26:26.950 --> 00:26:30.045
<v Rach>And if you look at her other male counterparts, most of'em.

00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:31.539
<v Rach>If not all

00:26:31.788 --> 00:26:32.057
<v Jaisa>At

00:26:32.110 --> 00:26:33.549
<v Rach>this juncture had fled.

00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:33.819
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:26:33.819 --> 00:26:35.350
<v Rach>Outta fear for their own safety.

00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:35.740
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:26:35.930 --> 00:26:38.210
<v Rach>Let's just say it, Mary had some serious lady balls.

00:26:38.360 --> 00:26:40.309
<v Rach>She had massive weighted balls.

00:26:40.340 --> 00:26:43.309
<v Rach>They were like bull balls just dragging behind her.

00:26:43.528 --> 00:26:43.768
<v Jaisa>She's

00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:45.225
<v Rach>just lugging them through the streets.

00:26:45.644 --> 00:26:48.615
<v Rach>She had a wheelbarrow to carry her balls.

00:26:51.087 --> 00:26:51.423
<v Jaisa>She's got

00:26:51.434 --> 00:26:52.965
<v Rach>some big old balls.

00:26:54.164 --> 00:26:57.505
<v Rach>For real, but but seriously, imagine fucking badass.

00:26:57.505 --> 00:26:57.595
<v Rach>Yes.

00:26:57.595 --> 00:26:59.035
<v Rach>So strong.

00:26:59.035 --> 00:26:59.725
<v Rach>So

00:26:59.805 --> 00:27:00.225
<v Jaisa>ah,

00:27:00.326 --> 00:27:01.287
<v Rach>Awakened.

00:27:01.376 --> 00:27:01.497
<v Rach>Yes.

00:27:01.497 --> 00:27:13.287
<v Rach>It was like such an understanding of what truly was transpiring, that she feared not, and her loyalty and love for Christ far outweighed her fear, which is such an example to all of us.

00:27:13.317 --> 00:27:13.797
<v Rach>I know.

00:27:13.797 --> 00:27:13.799
<v Rach>Yeah, I know.

00:27:13.805 --> 00:27:21.807
<v Rach>And I feel like for Jesus, it was like, okay, I have somebody in my close circle that really understands and that Mary truly understood her role.

00:27:21.807 --> 00:27:21.866
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:27:21.987 --> 00:27:23.187
<v Rach>In this whole thing as well.

00:27:23.267 --> 00:27:25.096
<v Rach>We all know this story, right?

00:27:25.187 --> 00:27:27.557
<v Rach>She watches on as he's laid into the tomb,

00:27:27.970 --> 00:27:28.690
<v Jaisa>and

00:27:28.817 --> 00:27:34.096
<v Rach>then there's the Sabbath and it's Jewish law that you cannot visit or do anything on the Sabbath.

00:27:34.336 --> 00:27:39.437
<v Rach>So she waits to like the first possible second of that, first.

00:27:39.670 --> 00:27:40.150
<v Jaisa>hour, the

00:27:40.152 --> 00:27:42.461
<v Rach>the early hours of Dawn after the Sabbath.

00:27:42.521 --> 00:27:44.532
<v Rach>And she goes and she sees the empty tomb.

00:27:44.741 --> 00:27:46.422
<v Rach>And initially she's devastated.

00:27:46.422 --> 00:27:47.981
<v Rach>She thinks that it's been robbed.

00:27:48.192 --> 00:27:50.892
<v Rach>And she actually went to anoint the body, right?

00:27:50.892 --> 00:27:51.011
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:27:51.011 --> 00:27:53.082
<v Rach>So she was going to be doing like a ritual,

00:27:53.140 --> 00:27:53.539
<v Jaisa>care and

00:27:53.741 --> 00:27:54.830
<v Rach>the care and the care for Jesus.

00:27:54.830 --> 00:28:00.319
<v Rach>She personally was gonna do it and she sees that it's empty and she collapses and is in tears.

00:28:00.380 --> 00:28:02.690
<v Rach>And then she sees.

00:28:02.913 --> 00:28:03.633
<v Jaisa>somebody

00:28:03.745 --> 00:28:06.924
<v Rach>appear, and at the moment she doesn't recognize Christ.

00:28:06.924 --> 00:28:08.904
<v Rach>Which I wanna stop and talk about for a second.

00:28:08.965 --> 00:28:09.205
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:28:09.235 --> 00:28:10.674
<v Rach>Although it was him,

00:28:10.847 --> 00:28:11.087
<v Jaisa>It

00:28:11.154 --> 00:28:11.845
<v Rach>wasn't.

00:28:11.850 --> 00:28:12.029
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:28:12.080 --> 00:28:12.140
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:19.009
<v Rach>And it just points to like our soul and our spirit is so different than what our outer body looks like.

00:28:19.059 --> 00:28:21.940
<v Rach>So she doesn't even recognize him and it isn't Intel.

00:28:21.970 --> 00:28:24.430
<v Rach>He says, woman, why are you weeping?

00:28:24.549 --> 00:28:25.809
<v Rach>Who are you looking for?

00:28:26.013 --> 00:28:26.192
<v Jaisa>And

00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:27.705
<v Rach>then he calls her by name.

00:28:28.442 --> 00:28:35.403
<v Rach>And hearing his voice, she recognizes her teacher and her beloved friend, and she then reaches forward to embrace him.

00:28:35.503 --> 00:28:39.853
<v Rach>And then we know the scripture, it says, do not touch me for, I have not yet descended to the father.

00:28:40.256 --> 00:28:40.736
<v Jaisa>So

00:28:40.843 --> 00:28:41.682
<v Rach>this was really cool.

00:28:41.682 --> 00:28:44.513
<v Rach>'cause scholars actually think that it doesn't mean quote unquote don't touch me.

00:28:44.518 --> 00:28:44.528
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:28:44.528 --> 00:28:46.192
<v Rach>And they like physical sense.

00:28:46.192 --> 00:28:47.303
<v Rach>Physical sense.

00:28:47.333 --> 00:28:51.383
<v Rach>It was more like, don't hold on to me like this.

00:28:51.383 --> 00:28:52.403
<v Rach>Don't cling.

00:28:52.432 --> 00:28:55.763
<v Rach>Don't cling to this experience because I have yet.

00:28:56.181 --> 00:28:56.750
<v Jaisa>To

00:28:56.827 --> 00:28:58.208
<v Rach>Exist in a new way.

00:28:58.418 --> 00:29:02.698
<v Rach>In your hearts, I'm gonna be with God, but I will live on, but not in this capacity.

00:29:02.698 --> 00:29:02.758
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:29:02.758 --> 00:29:03.748
<v Rach>This is short term.

00:29:03.807 --> 00:29:05.668
<v Rach>Quit holding onto the old version of me.

00:29:05.668 --> 00:29:05.758
<v Rach>Yes.

00:29:05.878 --> 00:29:07.378
<v Rach>And remember that I'm always with you.

00:29:07.378 --> 00:29:07.648
<v Rach>Almost.

00:29:07.648 --> 00:29:07.978
<v Rach>Yes.

00:29:07.978 --> 00:29:08.788
<v Rach>Yeah, exactly.

00:29:08.788 --> 00:29:09.298
<v Rach>Exactly.

00:29:09.298 --> 00:29:09.357
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:29:09.778 --> 00:29:10.587
<v Rach>Yes, exactly.

00:29:10.587 --> 00:29:11.908
<v Rach>Will be in your heart, in your midst.

00:29:11.938 --> 00:29:14.398
<v Rach>And then Jesus gave Mary

00:29:14.571 --> 00:29:15.230
<v Jaisa>probably

00:29:15.327 --> 00:29:17.097
<v Rach>the most important job.

00:29:17.780 --> 00:29:18.321
<v Jaisa>Anybody

00:29:18.403 --> 00:29:19.369
<v Rach>could ever have the most important

00:29:19.461 --> 00:29:19.520
<v Jaisa>it

00:29:19.633 --> 00:29:22.063
<v Rach>'cause it proves that Christ is who he says he was.

00:29:22.123 --> 00:29:22.873
<v Rach>Exactly.

00:29:23.053 --> 00:29:25.543
<v Rach>It says, go tell my brothers.

00:29:25.603 --> 00:29:31.123
<v Rach>I am ascending to my Father, to your God and his God, and all of it, right?

00:29:31.202 --> 00:29:34.803
<v Rach>And then this is where Mary gets the title.

00:29:35.048 --> 00:29:47.740
<v Rach>And really the rightful title of Apostle of the Apostles, because she is somebody who has seen the risen Lord and has been sent as a apostle Witness to the resurrection.

00:29:48.581 --> 00:29:48.941
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:29:49.061 --> 00:29:50.141
<v Rach>And then after that,

00:29:50.564 --> 00:29:50.683
<v Jaisa>the

00:29:50.801 --> 00:29:53.980
<v Rach>Bible really doesn't say much about Mary.

00:29:54.449 --> 00:29:54.659
<v Jaisa>Yeah.

00:29:54.740 --> 00:29:57.201
<v Rach>if at anything, that's like her curtain call, if you will.

00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:57.568
<v Jaisa>Yeah.

00:29:57.681 --> 00:29:58.571
<v Rach>She's mic drop.

00:29:58.673 --> 00:29:58.963
<v Jaisa>Yeah.

00:30:01.038 --> 00:30:01.369
<v Jaisa>Christ

00:30:01.451 --> 00:30:02.530
<v Rach>has risen, baby.

00:30:02.530 --> 00:30:02.651
<v Rach>I'm out.

00:30:02.838 --> 00:30:03.709
<v Jaisa>I'm ouch.

00:30:03.881 --> 00:30:07.601
<v Rach>And then that Homer Simpson gift, she just like slowly fades into shrubbery.

00:30:07.601 --> 00:30:08.165
<v Rach>She goes into the garden.

00:30:08.665 --> 00:30:09.766
<v Rach>She goes into the garden.

00:30:10.394 --> 00:30:10.614
<v Jaisa>No,

00:30:10.851 --> 00:30:13.461
<v Rach>but there are a couple theories of what happened to her next.

00:30:13.461 --> 00:30:15.581
<v Rach>Like a lot of these are cloaked in I don't know.

00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:18.631
<v Rach>None of them seemed really yeah, totally logical to me.

00:30:18.631 --> 00:30:19.621
<v Rach>I think the French one,

00:30:19.659 --> 00:30:20.109
<v Jaisa>French

00:30:20.221 --> 00:30:22.201
<v Rach>theory seemed interesting, but what did you think?

00:30:22.351 --> 00:30:25.951
<v Rach>Yeah, that was the one that seems to be, that they talked about the most.

00:30:26.020 --> 00:30:39.591
<v Rach>And the idea is that she was in a boat and with no rudder and just let out into the ocean, and she ended up in what is now the Provence Region of France and that she lived there for 30 years and continued to spread the word there

00:30:39.838 --> 00:30:40.048
<v Jaisa>And

00:30:40.161 --> 00:30:40.671
<v Rach>then.

00:30:40.798 --> 00:30:41.129
<v Jaisa>there's

00:30:41.216 --> 00:30:41.365
<v Rach>an

00:30:41.609 --> 00:30:41.879
<v Jaisa>like

00:30:42.026 --> 00:30:51.236
<v Rach>tail, if you will, where she then towards the end of her life, moved into a cave and that there she was taken care of by angels until the day she died,

00:30:51.929 --> 00:30:52.199
<v Jaisa>which I

00:30:52.226 --> 00:30:52.676
<v Rach>I think is like.

00:30:53.405 --> 00:30:54.216
<v Rach>Really nice.

00:30:54.266 --> 00:30:54.556
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:30:54.821 --> 00:30:56.996
<v Rach>But we really don't know, and she's in Provence.

00:30:56.996 --> 00:30:58.586
<v Rach>She's eating good cheese and wine.

00:30:58.586 --> 00:30:58.615
<v Rach>I

00:30:58.764 --> 00:30:58.984
<v Jaisa>I'm

00:30:59.091 --> 00:30:59.542
<v Rach>what life like?

00:30:59.546 --> 00:31:02.236
<v Rach>Of all the places for your Redless boat to end up.

00:31:02.236 --> 00:31:02.655
<v Rach>I know.

00:31:02.655 --> 00:31:03.826
<v Rach>I was like, how convenient.

00:31:04.066 --> 00:31:07.816
<v Rach>But there is a church in France that claims that they house her remains.

00:31:07.989 --> 00:31:08.379
<v Jaisa>And

00:31:08.476 --> 00:31:10.056
<v Rach>like people do, go there.

00:31:10.056 --> 00:31:10.270
<v Rach>Go there.

00:31:10.351 --> 00:31:10.740
<v Jaisa>And

00:31:10.867 --> 00:31:14.648
<v Rach>they acknowledge her existence and pray to her as almost like a saint.

00:31:14.648 --> 00:31:16.028
<v Rach>And I think that's really beautiful.

00:31:16.057 --> 00:31:16.357
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:31:16.408 --> 00:31:19.317
<v Rach>Regardless of where her life ended up.

00:31:19.506 --> 00:31:19.686
<v Jaisa>Yeah,

00:31:19.798 --> 00:31:25.678
<v Rach>I think that, truth be told, she was the one that wrist it all

00:31:25.895 --> 00:31:26.135
<v Jaisa>and

00:31:26.188 --> 00:31:26.908
<v Rach>then also

00:31:26.958 --> 00:31:27.498
<v Jaisa>carried

00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:28.450
<v Rach>the torch

00:31:28.638 --> 00:31:28.817
<v Jaisa>in

00:31:28.930 --> 00:31:33.410
<v Rach>such a powerful way because there is this, explicit understanding that like.

00:31:35.285 --> 00:31:35.795
<v Rach>Like

00:31:36.208 --> 00:31:36.418
<v Jaisa>the

00:31:36.515 --> 00:31:39.215
<v Rach>men were scared, the disciples were scared.

00:31:39.418 --> 00:31:39.597
<v Jaisa>and

00:31:39.694 --> 00:31:41.914
<v Rach>she says no, we don't need to be scared.

00:31:41.965 --> 00:31:43.855
<v Rach>Yeah, Jesus lives right.

00:31:43.855 --> 00:31:44.305
<v Rach>And.

00:31:44.664 --> 00:31:50.275
<v Rach>And I don't know, like he entrusted her to get everybody's wits together.

00:31:50.515 --> 00:31:50.634
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:31:50.634 --> 00:31:52.795
<v Rach>To be like, listen, you don't have to be scared.

00:31:52.795 --> 00:31:54.025
<v Rach>You don't have to fear death

00:31:54.242 --> 00:31:54.482
<v Jaisa>as

00:31:54.654 --> 00:31:55.075
<v Rach>I did.

00:31:55.075 --> 00:31:56.394
<v Rach>As, as he was resurrected.

00:31:56.583 --> 00:31:57.063
<v Jaisa>Keep

00:31:57.144 --> 00:31:57.805
<v Rach>going.

00:31:57.955 --> 00:31:58.015
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:31:58.015 --> 00:31:59.335
<v Rach>Keep telling the good word.

00:31:59.365 --> 00:32:03.595
<v Rach>He is resurrected and the long, horrible night has ended.

00:32:03.595 --> 00:32:03.605
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:04.410
<v Rach>Think about that.

00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Rach>It's leave it to Mary.

00:32:06.867 --> 00:32:11.817
<v Rach>To get everybody's head on straight and then to be like, no, this is what we're doing.

00:32:11.878 --> 00:32:12.087
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:32:12.117 --> 00:32:12.898
<v Rach>That's a leader.

00:32:13.018 --> 00:32:13.888
<v Rach>That is a leader.

00:32:14.278 --> 00:32:14.847
<v Rach>Absolutely.

00:32:14.847 --> 00:32:15.567
<v Rach>That's a leader.

00:32:15.668 --> 00:32:21.488
<v Rach>And I would say too, like what's really important to note is regardless of how she behaved,

00:32:21.946 --> 00:32:22.486
<v Jaisa>regardless of

00:32:22.508 --> 00:32:29.888
<v Rach>of her actions, like really, like I said, like stepping up as a leader, we still see female leadership questioned.

00:32:29.988 --> 00:32:32.028
<v Rach>And we still see it opposed.

00:32:32.107 --> 00:32:32.888
<v Jaisa>Peter

00:32:33.029 --> 00:32:33.809
<v Rach>was one that said.

00:32:34.755 --> 00:32:38.174
<v Rach>Who are you right, as a woman?

00:32:38.384 --> 00:32:41.325
<v Rach>To be, have this privilege information from Jesus.

00:32:41.325 --> 00:32:43.455
<v Rach>These special teachings these things.

00:32:43.455 --> 00:32:45.170
<v Rach>It's one-on-one time with him, one-on-one time.

00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:45.490
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:32:45.525 --> 00:32:48.944
<v Rach>And another disciple said again if she's good enough

00:32:49.133 --> 00:32:49.673
<v Jaisa>for

00:32:50.144 --> 00:32:50.684
<v Rach>Jesus.

00:32:51.630 --> 00:32:52.980
<v Rach>She's good enough for you, bro.

00:32:53.029 --> 00:32:53.090
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:32:53.150 --> 00:32:54.019
<v Rach>Think about that.

00:32:54.019 --> 00:32:55.910
<v Rach>It's like even still.

00:32:55.940 --> 00:32:59.549
<v Rach>One of the main disciples was like but you are a woman.

00:32:59.670 --> 00:32:59.940
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:32:59.970 --> 00:33:03.440
<v Rach>So from the very early days where Jesus himself

00:33:03.673 --> 00:33:04.303
<v Jaisa>gave,

00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.025
<v Rach>Empowerment to marry and other females, which we talked about

00:33:08.682 --> 00:33:08.893
<v Jaisa>to

00:33:08.990 --> 00:33:09.529
<v Rach>today.

00:33:09.710 --> 00:33:11.960
<v Rach>We're still seeing female leadership in the church opposed.

00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:12.140
<v Rach>And

00:33:12.343 --> 00:33:12.523
<v Jaisa>I

00:33:12.620 --> 00:33:13.580
<v Rach>just think that.

00:33:14.293 --> 00:33:14.442
<v Jaisa>I'm

00:33:14.539 --> 00:33:15.019
<v Rach>excited.

00:33:15.230 --> 00:33:15.590
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:33:15.769 --> 00:33:18.500
<v Rach>'cause it feels like we're on the cusp of something really different.

00:33:18.650 --> 00:33:26.090
<v Rach>And we were saying too, there really is a resurgence it seems, and an interest again in who Mary Magdalene was.

00:33:26.120 --> 00:33:26.360
<v Rach>Yes.

00:33:26.360 --> 00:33:29.960
<v Rach>And I, I don't know if, I think that's a coincidence.

00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:35.130
<v Rach>I think there's something stirring and something brewing and people wanting to know more.

00:33:35.490 --> 00:33:38.940
<v Rach>And the more that we started diving into her and who she is.

00:33:40.008 --> 00:33:44.388
<v Rach>I just think maybe it's Mary's time finally to come out of the shadows.

00:33:44.388 --> 00:33:44.567
<v Rach>Oh my gosh.

00:33:44.567 --> 00:33:48.468
<v Rach>And actually share her message because we are finally ready to receive it.

00:33:48.678 --> 00:33:50.593
<v Rach>Oh, I think that is so beautiful.

00:33:51.303 --> 00:33:52.563
<v Rach>That is so well said, Rach.

00:33:52.563 --> 00:33:54.513
<v Rach>Like it's yes.

00:33:54.563 --> 00:33:54.742
<v Jaisa>And

00:33:54.825 --> 00:33:56.715
<v Rach>there's divine timing with everything.

00:33:56.745 --> 00:33:57.705
<v Rach>Absolutely.

00:33:57.765 --> 00:33:58.095
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:33:58.125 --> 00:33:58.660
<v Rach>I, yeah.

00:33:58.750 --> 00:34:02.950
<v Rach>Is it a coincidence that farmers found all these things in 1945 and we've

00:34:03.198 --> 00:34:03.468
<v Jaisa>had

00:34:03.610 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Rach>time now to study them and

00:34:05.658 --> 00:34:06.138
<v Jaisa>examine

00:34:06.250 --> 00:34:08.739
<v Rach>them and now we're I Yeah, I dunno.

00:34:08.799 --> 00:34:09.099
<v Rach>Yes.

00:34:09.099 --> 00:34:11.889
<v Rach>And it's like you were saying early, earlier too.

00:34:11.949 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Rach>It's not just about like understanding who she was, but also her teacher, her teaching.

00:34:17.590 --> 00:34:17.920
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:34:18.152 --> 00:34:23.672
<v Rach>Like we are now, perhaps in a time where these were really advanced concepts that.

00:34:24.887 --> 00:34:29.357
<v Rach>People during the time, other disciples of Jesus couldn't quite grasp, but she got it.

00:34:29.478 --> 00:34:29.807
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:34:29.837 --> 00:34:31.998
<v Rach>And maybe it's taken us 2000 years to get it too.

00:34:32.478 --> 00:34:37.788
<v Rach>And you have to think about too, the people who Jesus was talking to, they had no basic sense of science.

00:34:37.887 --> 00:34:39.507
<v Rach>They still thought the earth was flat.

00:34:39.567 --> 00:34:40.797
<v Rach>Oh yeah, they did.

00:34:40.797 --> 00:34:41.668
<v Rach>They even know there was Earth.

00:34:41.668 --> 00:34:41.817
<v Rach>Did they

00:34:41.996 --> 00:34:42.155
<v Jaisa>there

00:34:42.163 --> 00:34:43.018
<v Rach>know there was a globe?

00:34:43.018 --> 00:34:43.737
<v Rach>I don't know.

00:34:43.867 --> 00:34:46.507
<v Rach>They didn't know about gravity, electricity of

00:34:46.740 --> 00:34:46.951
<v Jaisa>they

00:34:47.077 --> 00:34:49.087
<v Rach>aren't ready to grasp concepts of.

00:34:49.242 --> 00:34:49.962
<v Rach>Quantum, quantum

00:34:50.110 --> 00:34:50.681
<v Jaisa>physics

00:34:50.742 --> 00:34:52.702
<v Rach>than, like you couldn't energy.

00:34:52.702 --> 00:34:57.833
<v Rach>Yeah, it's, they couldn't, there was no way to have those kind of conversations.

00:34:58.043 --> 00:34:59.222
<v Rach>But maybe Mary got it.

00:34:59.432 --> 00:35:01.802
<v Rach>And maybe now is her time to spread the word.

00:35:02.462 --> 00:35:02.732
<v Rach>Oh my God.

00:35:02.972 --> 00:35:04.172
<v Rach>Wouldn't that be so

00:35:04.605 --> 00:35:05.085
<v Jaisa>Badass

00:35:05.192 --> 00:35:05.677
<v Rach>Are cool?

00:35:05.708 --> 00:35:11.557
<v Rach>Are we, like now Mary's disciples we're like the Jesus Mary disciples.

00:35:11.862 --> 00:35:12.262
<v Rach>Did we become,

00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:12.706
<v Jaisa>Did we become, did

00:35:12.728 --> 00:35:13.987
<v Rach>I just anoint myself

00:35:14.420 --> 00:35:14.721
<v Jaisa>just

00:35:14.918 --> 00:35:15.547
<v Rach>holy water?

00:35:18.530 --> 00:35:20.420
<v Rach>No, but I love to think that.

00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:20.510
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:35:20.540 --> 00:35:22.371
<v Rach>And I love to think that

00:35:22.528 --> 00:35:22.858
<v Jaisa>we

00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:23.690
<v Rach>are living

00:35:24.898 --> 00:35:25.108
<v Jaisa>in a

00:35:25.190 --> 00:35:27.290
<v Rach>a time that we get to be part of this.

00:35:27.380 --> 00:35:27.710
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:35.800
<v Rach>And get to be part of this movement where maybe we're ready changing, man, we're things are changing, we're ready, and how cool.

00:35:36.198 --> 00:35:36.468
<v Jaisa>Okay.

00:35:36.610 --> 00:35:38.110
<v Rach>I'm just gonna go off on a little tangent.

00:35:38.140 --> 00:35:38.530
<v Rach>Yes.

00:35:38.530 --> 00:35:44.920
<v Rach>But I think what's so cool, and I believe I had shared this with you, that when I read the book A New Earth, it was the first time I had taken

00:35:45.168 --> 00:35:46.158
<v Jaisa>verses

00:35:46.540 --> 00:35:56.650
<v Rach>and the author teacher, Eck Gari made me start seeing Jesus' own words through a totally different lens and being like, oh my gosh, what if that's what he meant?

00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:57.070
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:35:57.205 --> 00:35:59.500
<v Rach>And so the more that I've been doing this work,

00:35:59.718 --> 00:35:59.989
<v Jaisa>I'm

00:36:00.100 --> 00:36:01.570
<v Rach>starting to wonder.

00:36:01.818 --> 00:36:02.118
<v Jaisa>if

00:36:02.170 --> 00:36:05.770
<v Rach>So much of what Jesus said has a layered meaning

00:36:06.228 --> 00:36:06.438
<v Jaisa>and

00:36:06.550 --> 00:36:08.020
<v Rach>how cool is it?

00:36:08.509 --> 00:36:09.918
<v Jaisa>that, and it

00:36:09.940 --> 00:36:12.370
<v Rach>it would not be surprising at all because he's

00:36:12.498 --> 00:36:13.128
<v Jaisa>God,

00:36:13.540 --> 00:36:18.790
<v Rach>that he's able to speak to people in one generation, so it makes sense.

00:36:18.910 --> 00:36:25.721
<v Rach>But it has this double meaning so that down the road in the future we can finally comprehend the higher

00:36:25.848 --> 00:36:26.388
<v Jaisa>Enlightened

00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:27.850
<v Rach>version of what he's trying to say.

00:36:28.270 --> 00:36:28.721
<v Rach>Yes.

00:36:28.721 --> 00:36:30.730
<v Rach>Like it's constantly unfolding.

00:36:30.820 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:36:31.578 --> 00:36:32.658
<v Rach>Isn't that amazing?

00:36:32.663 --> 00:36:33.123
<v Rach>It amazing

00:36:33.268 --> 00:36:33.837
<v Jaisa>amazing

00:36:33.978 --> 00:36:35.208
<v Rach>to me that's even more amazing.

00:36:35.208 --> 00:36:36.018
<v Rach>It is.

00:36:36.048 --> 00:36:46.608
<v Rach>And what like, and what you just made me think about is that the discovery of these gnostic texts, it like, listen, they were hidden for a reason.

00:36:46.608 --> 00:36:47.658
<v Rach>They were hidden because.

00:36:48.558 --> 00:36:49.218
<v Rach>Other

00:36:49.393 --> 00:36:50.682
<v Jaisa>Interpretations,

00:36:50.958 --> 00:36:55.578
<v Rach>understandings, te teaching of Christ's early word were getting destroyed.

00:36:55.608 --> 00:36:55.878
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:36:55.938 --> 00:36:57.318
<v Rach>They didn't want this to get out.

00:36:57.318 --> 00:36:59.538
<v Rach>People were getting accused as being heretics.

00:36:59.538 --> 00:36:59.598
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:36:59.598 --> 00:37:00.948
<v Rach>And they were being silenced.

00:37:01.098 --> 00:37:02.718
<v Rach>Very likely by death.

00:37:02.768 --> 00:37:02.828
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:37:02.828 --> 00:37:05.378
<v Rach>So people are like, shit, we gotta preserve this somehow.

00:37:05.408 --> 00:37:05.468
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:37:06.208 --> 00:37:07.438
<v Rach>And the

00:37:07.847 --> 00:37:08.567
<v Jaisa>Opposite

00:37:09.028 --> 00:37:16.978
<v Rach>effect of what if the genuine concern is that we would be drawn away from Christ through this understanding, which is not, it was being drawn away from the church.

00:37:17.177 --> 00:37:17.237
<v Jaisa>Yeah.

00:37:17.278 --> 00:37:17.428
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:37:17.428 --> 00:37:17.908
<v Rach>But like

00:37:18.047 --> 00:37:18.288
<v Jaisa>the

00:37:18.388 --> 00:37:24.148
<v Rach>understanding of these additional resources and accounts of Jesus's teaching.

00:37:24.968 --> 00:37:32.078
<v Rach>Surrounding the Bible just makes my reverence and total awe for him so much more.

00:37:32.138 --> 00:37:32.678
<v Rach>Yes.

00:37:32.858 --> 00:37:34.178
<v Rach>And I think that's what's beautiful.

00:37:34.178 --> 00:37:34.268
<v Rach>Yes.

00:37:34.298 --> 00:37:34.538
<v Rach>It's like

00:37:34.757 --> 00:37:34.847
<v Jaisa>It's

00:37:34.928 --> 00:37:35.378
<v Rach>a

00:37:36.062 --> 00:37:36.542
<v Jaisa>Truly

00:37:36.668 --> 00:37:42.278
<v Rach>looking at a woman that was really close to him has only made my love for Jesus greater.

00:37:42.338 --> 00:37:42.908
<v Rach>Yes.

00:37:43.118 --> 00:37:44.598
<v Rach>And that's what I think is

00:37:44.772 --> 00:37:45.612
<v Jaisa>unbelievable.

00:37:45.612 --> 00:37:45.732
<v Jaisa>And

00:37:45.739 --> 00:37:47.418
<v Rach>And that's like the coolest thing about this.

00:37:47.448 --> 00:37:47.928
<v Rach>Oh my God.

00:37:48.132 --> 00:37:48.612
<v Jaisa>Preach

00:37:48.748 --> 00:37:49.259
<v Rach>Jace?

00:37:49.452 --> 00:37:49.632
<v Jaisa>Yes.

00:37:49.977 --> 00:37:50.067
<v Jaisa>Boom.

00:37:50.728 --> 00:37:50.848
<v Rach>Boom.

00:37:52.853 --> 00:37:55.588
<v Rach>Oh alright.

00:37:55.588 --> 00:37:57.708
<v Rach>You guys I don't even know what to say.

00:37:57.739 --> 00:38:00.228
<v Rach>I've had the goosebumps over my body for 10 days.

00:38:00.228 --> 00:38:00.588
<v Rach>I know.

00:38:00.588 --> 00:38:01.578
<v Rach>It's been pretty amazing.

00:38:01.578 --> 00:38:04.128
<v Rach>It's been amazing and I, we redid this because

00:38:04.217 --> 00:38:04.547
<v Jaisa>really

00:38:04.578 --> 00:38:09.243
<v Rach>really wanted to do Mary Justice and it feels like, gosh, it's like comical now to think that we could.

00:38:09.977 --> 00:38:16.157
<v Rach>Lay out all of Mary's gorgeous wisdom, her incredible life, her commitment to Jesus in a way that we can never understand.

00:38:16.397 --> 00:38:17.507
<v Rach>In 30 minutes.

00:38:17.538 --> 00:38:17.657
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:38:17.707 --> 00:38:22.107
<v Rach>I'm sorry we laid out a plan for you guys and it's changing, but here we are.

00:38:22.257 --> 00:38:22.587
<v Rach>Yes.

00:38:22.587 --> 00:38:26.157
<v Rach>So I'm not even gonna say what we're gonna do next week'cause it'll probably change again.

00:38:26.157 --> 00:38:28.167
<v Rach>So you're just gonna have to stay tuned.

00:38:28.197 --> 00:38:28.407
<v Rach>Yeah.

00:38:28.407 --> 00:38:29.247
<v Rach>It'll be a surprise.

00:38:29.247 --> 00:38:30.147
<v Rach>It'll be a surprise.

00:38:30.147 --> 00:38:30.957
<v Rach>But either way.

00:38:30.957 --> 00:38:32.117
<v Rach>It'll be fascinating.

00:38:32.490 --> 00:38:33.181
<v Rach>Thank you guys.

00:38:33.260 --> 00:38:37.730
<v Rach>Hey, if this was interesting to you, and if you think there is a Christian believer in your life

00:38:37.888 --> 00:38:38.098
<v Jaisa>that

00:38:38.210 --> 00:38:40.850
<v Rach>would benefit from this story, please send it to them.

00:38:40.978 --> 00:38:41.278
<v Jaisa>We are

00:38:41.300 --> 00:38:44.120
<v Rach>are working very hard to raise the voice of Mary,

00:38:44.278 --> 00:38:44.578
<v Jaisa>get the

00:38:44.630 --> 00:38:49.850
<v Rach>the truth out there, and really just help people discover all of the beautiful things surrounding Christ.

00:38:50.938 --> 00:38:51.118
<v Jaisa>See

00:38:51.260 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Rach>ya.

00:38:52.035 --> 00:38:52.255
<v Rach>Bye.

00:38:53.013 --> 00:38:54.903
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