Episode 26 - Equine Gestalt Wisdom w/ Melisa Pearce

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<v Speaker>Welcome to Spirit Outspoken, where we dive deep into the realms of spirituality, healing, and the beautiful chaos we call life.

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Today's guest is Melissa Pierce, a teacher, author, psychotherapist, and true pioneer in the field of human horse healing.

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For over three decades, Melissa has devoted her life to helping others uncover deep emotional healing, blending her background in Gestalt therapy with the intuitive, energetic wisdom of horses.

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She's the creator of the Equine Gestalt Coaching Method, a powerful certified approach that supports clients in releasing old patterns, reconnecting with themselves, and stepping into lives of greater self-awareness and compassion.

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Melissa's work is rooted in the belief that horses are natural healers, embodied gesus, who live fully in the present and reflect back what we feel, not what we say.

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Her approach has touched thousands of lives, and her connection with horses continues to guide her purpose.

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This conversation with Melissa is truly something special.

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It's heartfelt, moving and filled with deep wisdom so much so that it managed to bring us to tears three times during our recording.

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We are so honored to share her presence and her story with you today.

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Let's get started.

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<v Rachael Loney>We are absolutely thrilled to have Melissa Pierce with us.

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<v Rachael Loney>Melissa is the CEO of touched by a horse, And Melissa works with horses and using horses as a methodology in a way of healing people.

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<v Rachael Loney>and we are thrilled because this is such a unique.

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<v Rachael Loney>Pathway of healing.

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<v Rachael Loney>And this season, that's what we're all about.

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<v Rachael Loney>So Melissa, so glad you're here.

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<v Rachael Loney>Thank you so much.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Thank you,

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<v Rachael Loney>that being said, can you just give us an overview of what it is you do?

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<v Rachael Loney>And I know there's a ton of different things.

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<v Rachael Loney>You're an author, you're a speaker, you've created all of these beautiful resources for people, but just.

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<v Rachael Loney>What it is that you do and how you kind of stumbled into this.

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<v Melisa Pearce>You bet.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So touched by a horse is my company like touched by an angel.

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<v Melisa Pearce>You girls are probably too young to remember, but CBS's number one show for years was touched by an

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<v Rachael Loney>I remember.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Okay, good.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And I think of my horses as my angels.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So I work to always say I partner with them instead of use them, because I see them as this incredible cla sentient healing partner.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And I have mostly horses called Gypsy vanners, so have you ever seen a picture of the gypsy with a rounded top wagon and they're pulling along?

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<v Melisa Pearce>It's a little black and white horse in front with a long flowing mane.

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<v Melisa Pearce>That's a gypsy vanner.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Oh.

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<v Melisa Pearce>actually were the Prius developed by the gypsies'cause they're just big and beautiful and kind and really sweet.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So years ago, after a very traditional horse life of showing and, and exhibiting and breeding and raising horses, uh, I am a psychotherapist and I recognized that the horses were really saying something more to me.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So I would work with a client and then they would have a break before they would come back to me and I'd send them out for a walk and my horses would come off the green grass.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Over to the fence to just stand with a client who was maybe in a rough place I got back with the client.

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<v Melisa Pearce>This was my ranch at Flagstaff, Arizona.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Got back with a client later in the afternoon, I could feel they were more open and they were more trusting and more ready to, to really dig into some very deep work.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And after I watched that pattern, it was always a different horse.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They always opened the clients up.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I thought, wow, they're showing me.

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<v Melisa Pearce>have so much more to offer on the globe.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So I started this work long before anybody else had done.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So there wasn't the internet or anything we could go, Hey, do you do this?

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<v Melisa Pearce>So we started it and um, I am a geist, which is a German word.

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<v Melisa Pearce>For flowing into wholeness or form.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And so the horses work with my clients, uh, mostly in today's world.

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<v Melisa Pearce>The last 17 years I've been training others to do my work.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And so they partner with horses to work with veterans a lot with Center against Sexual assault, um, foster kids, people that are going through divorce, through grief, whatever it is.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Horses show up in a non-judgmental.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Present strong way.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And so it's truly beautiful what they offer to the world, and that's what my retreats are too.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>That's incredible.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And I mean, like we, so like we were talking about before we kicked off the episode, you know, Rachel and I were doing research on retreats and Rachel was actually, um, put in touch with, you know, your retreat center through another.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Contact and we were investigating, we're like, oh, what an amazing thing.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Because just recently you're talking about like social media and the internet.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>You see this groundswell of, you know, horses really becoming healing partners to a lot of these technicians, like with reiki or sound or what have you.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And we also were recently investigating the telepathy tapes where we were talking about telepathy and elephants, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>This whole movement around Yes.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Horses have that same clear sentence.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Exactly right.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So this was just such a beautiful thing and we're like, oh,

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<v Melisa Pearce>Thank you.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>this yes, just so happens.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Right.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So this is so fascinating.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And you talking about the type of clients that you know are getting the most healing, what do you think it is?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Do you think that the horses can feel their pain?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Are they somehow sensing it?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>What have you observed in your experience of what this mystical experience is like?

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<v Melisa Pearce>Well, first of all, horses, like a lot of animals, but especially horses, they don't resonate to what we're thinking.

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<v Melisa Pearce>That is not their jam.

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<v Melisa Pearce>When we're really in our heads and up away from our somatic experience, they tune out.

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<v Melisa Pearce>It's like a radio station being just.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Tiny bit off kind of a lot of static noise, so they separate themselves from that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>But as soon as we drop in to either something physical in the body that's not working right or into something that's emotionally painful, they show up really, really big and strong.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And what I've proven they're doing, I use.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Um, everything from sound, all kinds of mediums to do it.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They are able to assess at a long distance away from you.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Uh, what's off, what in your vibrational field or in your chakra field, uh, is just off.

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<v Melisa Pearce>It's not humming the way it should, and so they can attune that we talk about reiki.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And I think Reikis awesome and I believe horses pat us on the head and go look at the cute little baby reiki master, right?

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<v Melisa Pearce>Because they're the true reiki masters.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They are the ones that can do it from several feet away.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They can do it up close.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They sense it easily.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And it makes sense.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They're not on Zoom, they're not listening to television and radio and all that stuff.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They're out with less frequency and they're tuned in more to what's happening in the real world, right.

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<v Melisa Pearce>From Mother Earth up.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So they're highly, highly sensitive animals that are able to come over.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And I always say when I do it with tuning forks, they'll take the tuning fork and it might be, Hmm.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They raise it just a little bit and it's, it's a beautiful thing to witness.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So they're pretty darn powerful.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Wait, tell us more about that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Yes ma'am.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So the vibrational field in the body has a tone or a sound to it, right?

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<v Melisa Pearce>They're super, super keen in on the sounds of what the human sounds like when they're in alignment.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And they're interested in us being in Serenity and us being in alignment and us feeling really good.

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<v Melisa Pearce>'cause that's where they are.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They live at the vibrational beat of Serenity, unless a human's doing something they don't like.

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<v Melisa Pearce>But when they're

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Yeah.

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<v Melisa Pearce>out in pastures, just watch.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They just graze and get along.

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<v Melisa Pearce>There's no fights, there's no arguments.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They do great.

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<v Melisa Pearce>It's when they're under the stress.

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<v Melisa Pearce>A human imposes on them.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Sometimes that's when their energy gets off, but when they're allowed to be in their serenity, which is a megahertz of 500, we are on a good day at 2 25.

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<v Melisa Pearce>That's a good day.

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<v Melisa Pearce>That's when we're not making ourselves neurotic and worrying.

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<v Melisa Pearce>human animal tends to do a lot of comparing.

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<v Melisa Pearce>That's kind of how the brain is, is organized to compare things.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So we're often looking at.

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<v Melisa Pearce>What happened yesterday and working ourselves up into anxiety or what might happen tomorrow based on that, works us into anxiety.

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<v Melisa Pearce>You know, we're either in depression or anxiety almost all the time, so we don't stay here, which is what we pay people the money for, right?

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<v Melisa Pearce>For yoga.

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<v Melisa Pearce>breath work, prayer, all of it is about helping the human animals shut this off and come to this moment.

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<v Melisa Pearce>that's what they're good at.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They are always in the moment.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They're never out in the pasture going, did that saddle make my butt look big?

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<v Melisa Pearce>Never.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They're never worried about that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>There it is, right here, right now.

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<v Rachael Loney>I love that and it's.

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<v Rachael Loney>So true.

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<v Rachael Loney>You know, so my daughter is getting into horseback riding lessons, and I have noticed myself when I walk into the stables and they're getting everything ready.

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<v Rachael Loney>There are times where it's just, it's so peaceful.

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<v Rachael Loney>It's so peaceful, it's so calming.

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<v Rachael Loney>It, it is true.

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<v Rachael Loney>You can feel their beautiful energy

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<v Melisa Pearce>Yep,

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<v Rachael Loney>I love the way you described it as being almost like the ultimate reiki master.

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<v Rachael Loney>'cause that helps me kind of conceptualize what's happening.

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<v Rachael Loney>Okay.

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<v Melisa Pearce>That's what they're doing.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So while she's getting saddled up and all that's going on, walk over near the stall of any one of the horses and just ground your feet.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Get really still.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Feel Mother Earth under your feet and bring all your mind to just that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And just stand in front of the horse.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Just bring all of your energy down to your feet, okay?

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<v Melisa Pearce>And breathe.

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<v Melisa Pearce>It's all you have to do and watch.

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<v Melisa Pearce>The horses will come over and they align the body part correlated to your body part in chakras.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And then you'll feel it, you'll, you will feel it in your body paying attention to it, what, what they're doing.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So pretty much all horses do it.

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<v Melisa Pearce>It's their essential gift.

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<v Melisa Pearce>If they're happy, if they're not happy, not healthy, you know, why should they care about us?

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<v Melisa Pearce>But happy, healthy horses.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Absolutely.

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<v Rachael Loney>is so beautiful.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It's beautiful.

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<v Rachael Loney>Do

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Yeah.

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<v Rachael Loney>notice that when people are dealing with certain traumas, you know, whether it's sexual abuse or you know, PTSD from war, do the horses, are they different with different people based on what their issue is?

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<v Rachael Loney>Or is it simply they notice which chakras are off?

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<v Melisa Pearce>Nothing about them is simple, so I, I will say that it can be really complex what they're up to.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I have horses that do full on pantomimes of things, Rachel, like things that I'm working with that they're.

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<v Melisa Pearce>In a round pen with the client and the client speaking about something, they will stop and pull back from a person.

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<v Melisa Pearce>If the person's lying to themselves, they will stay connected to them.

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<v Melisa Pearce>If they're in alignment, they will go act something out ahead.

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<v Melisa Pearce>A woman who's husband is now serving prison time.

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<v Melisa Pearce>For abusing her and her three daughters when they were young.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And he is been in prison for many years now.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So you know how violent and bad that had to be for the courts to actually do something about it.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Mm-hmm.

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<v Melisa Pearce>it was really rough and she was talking to me in the round pen.

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<v Melisa Pearce>She was talking to me about the chaos and what had happened to her.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And we were, we were getting it out so she could get rid of it, right.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And my horse, Gabriel came over and he starts pushing her pretty rudely, just kind of shoving on her.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And then she's talking about what's going on and he's crowding her, making her move back a little bit.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And he is a docile sweet guy.

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<v Melisa Pearce>She'd been around him for half an hour, but he could see what she was depicting.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And I said.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Uh, is that a little bit what that felt like?

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<v Melisa Pearce>She goes, actually, that's exactly what that felt like.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And I said, so you can ask him now you've got the strength.

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<v Melisa Pearce>He's in prison.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Gabriel's doing that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>You can say, stop.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So she put her hands up and she goes, stop like that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And he bowed down to her.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I have witnesses to that piece.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Absolutely.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And a

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<v Rachael Loney>Oh my.

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<v Melisa Pearce>like that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Mm-hmm.

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<v Melisa Pearce>That

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<v Jaisa Engasser>have goosebumps.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Yeah, she found her boundaries and she called the police and she stuck it through and she took him to court and you know, that takes for half a forever to do

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Oh yeah.

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<v Melisa Pearce>to prison.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Now she deals with her three daughters and their questions and what's going on for them.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So they get it that that's where they can see the pictures, they can feel the pain, and they really do want us to be happy,

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<v Jaisa Engasser>That is so beautiful.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I mean, thinking about, you know, going back to what you're saying about just observing horses in their natural habitat, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>The, present moment is this elusive experience for all humans, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like, it just, it's impossible.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>You have anxiety about the future.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>You're depressed about the past, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>We're constantly fighting this war of the, the mind, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So just observing them.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Is a lesson in and of itself, but to hear that they are so beautifully intuitive that they can partner with you, a therapist, to kind of push her in her journey in a way that she can now live out that piece of her healing, to set that boundary and almost like act it out is insane.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Of them that do Panama, you know, quite a few that do Panama.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I mean, they're Panama mean, not for the client, but for me, they're showing me something that's going on with the client.

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<v Melisa Pearce>just all kinds of things.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I mean, have a thousand stories like that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>It could be your whole podcast semester,

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So what does that mean, pantomime?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Is that like they're physically acting it Out?

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<v Melisa Pearce>Yeah,

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Okay.

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<v Melisa Pearce>it out.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Yeah, they're acting it out.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Another one, I had a family that their, younger son was away in a rehab'cause he had gotten into drugs.

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<v Melisa Pearce>The older son was with us and the mom and dad and we're working with them to kind of reunify the family and process what's been going on.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And we took a lunch break, came back and after we took a lunch break, this Mary had named 30 30.

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<v Melisa Pearce>She was in the pen with the older son.

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<v Melisa Pearce>He was 17 at the time, he's walking along and she stops him.

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<v Melisa Pearce>She walks in front of him and stops him, and he turned back toward the fence.

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<v Melisa Pearce>She takes her muzzle and she pressed it really hard on his heart.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And then she looked at me and I'm like, 30.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I don't know what you're trying to tell me.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Tell me again.

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<v Melisa Pearce>She presses it on his heart.

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<v Melisa Pearce>She goes to the fence, she grabs the fence and she starts running her teeth back and forth on this metal pole fence.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So of course we're, we're trying to figure it out.

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<v Melisa Pearce>'cause if you ever played the game, you know, two words, movies like that, so I'm like, okay, show me again.

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<v Melisa Pearce>She touches his heart, she runs her teeth on the pole.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Very calm, docile, big quarter horse, marere, and uh, and then all of a sudden I got it.

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<v Melisa Pearce>That's a vice.

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<v Melisa Pearce>When horses do that, when horses chew on a fence or run their teeth on a pole, it's considered a vice.

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<v Melisa Pearce>She was showing me he's got a vice, and so I asked him, I said, Jared, are you high right now?

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<v Melisa Pearce>he sunk to the ground and started crying.

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<v Melisa Pearce>He had gone out and got high at his parents' day with the therapist around drugs.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And it all came out.

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<v Melisa Pearce>He's the one that gave the drugs to the younger brother.

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<v Melisa Pearce>The first time younger brother was protecting him, not telling mom and dad.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Now here we are.

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<v Melisa Pearce>It just.

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<v Melisa Pearce>All coming out.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And as soon as it all came out and he was crying, the marriage just stood over and just stood really quietly.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Like, you know, I said, you now have been busted by my horse son.

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<v Melisa Pearce>You need to, you know, really look at that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And the, the rest of the day we've, everything went really well.

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<v Melisa Pearce>But that's the kind of stuff she's like, no, stop.

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<v Melisa Pearce>You are not okay.

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<v Melisa Pearce>There's something going on with you, you're not okay.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And the only way she could kind of show it was like, it's like a vice.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I'm like, okay.

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<v Melisa Pearce>You know, it's like a, a vice.

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<v Rachael Loney>I'm, I'm blown away by the level of intelligence as well with these animals.

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<v Rachael Loney>I mean, the fact that they're able to conceptualize through their physical movements what they're trying to.

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<v Rachael Loney>that.

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<v Rachael Loney>That's wild to me.

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<v Melisa Pearce>You know, they've drug our fields.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They've taken us to war.

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<v Melisa Pearce>n Not our, not their wars.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Our wars.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They have died for us in so many situations.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They jump over jumps to entertain us.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They race for us.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I mean, they do so many different things through the eons, but for my work, what they're good at is looking and finding what's fractured in you and helping to make it whole.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I mean, that's their beauty.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I think they've been offering it always, but people were so interested in the doing with the horse instead of the being with the horse.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Oh my gosh, Alyssa, that was beautiful.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I know.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It's the utility of the horse is what's taken priority.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Right.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And it's.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>This beautiful gift and this awareness.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Part of what Rachel and I are trying to do is really help people that are not exposed and like we're learning too, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like especially with this, we had no idea.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>this is growing in popularity.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>We were super intrigued by it, but we're even learning so much just talking to you right now.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>That it's waking us up of this consciousness that we are learning about our own abilities and our own power, right?

00:19:21.528 --> 00:19:26.428
<v Jaisa Engasser>But thinking also about all living beings, all this connection, right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like telepathy and dogs telepathy, and.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Parrots, all of these different things and horses just have this beautiful spirit.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It just makes so much sense.

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<v Melisa Pearce>The way I teach about it, Jason, for people that are trying to kind of understand it, is that, if we had a, a scale to measure Intellect iq,

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Mm-hmm.

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<v Melisa Pearce>We measure it on the human scale and then we compare animals to that human scale.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Well, they don't do qualitative quantitative work.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They don't do math, they don't do any of that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>However, that is not the only scale, and I think what mankind's Ego has always been, is we're here and animals are way down here on this scale for my money.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They are way above us on other scales.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So if we're measuring on other scales, we're not top dog, we're top dog on math and quantitative, analysis and all of that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>No, they don't do math.

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<v Melisa Pearce>You know, they don't need to do math.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They're right here, right now in nature.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So I, I think there's a lot to be said that's the grand awakening is like maybe we shouldn't measure everything on our intelligence quotient.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Maybe there's other intelligence that animals have that we're a baby in that we're just learning like reiki.

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<v Rachael Loney>Yeah, we just did, a couple episodes on something called the telepathy tapes.

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<v Rachael Loney>Do you know what that is?

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<v Rachael Loney>Where they're talking about

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<v Melisa Pearce>Uhuh.

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<v Rachael Loney>nonverbal autistic children and humans, adults too, who have telepathic abilities and are actually tapping into these incredible.

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<v Rachael Loney>Um, sources.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Mm-hmm.

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<v Rachael Loney>now that they're finally able to communicate via keyboard and typing, they can finally share what's going on.

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<v Rachael Loney>But it's the same idea of these human beings who don't look the same, act the same in the way that we think they should, or that we see as worthy.

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<v Rachael Loney>And so we deem them as somehow being less intelligent or not as capable when in fact they're here to be our greatest teachers if we would only let them.

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<v Rachael Loney>And I feel like it's very similar to the horses too.

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<v Rachael Loney>They're here to teach us.

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<v Melisa Pearce>It

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<v Rachael Loney>So much and wake us up.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So what if A DHD stands for attention dialed to a higher dimension?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Whoa.

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<v Melisa Pearce>No.

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<v Melisa Pearce>What if it stands for that?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I hope it does because I think I have it.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Yeah.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Yeah.

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<v Melisa Pearce>But we don't know, right?

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<v Melisa Pearce>So it's like, okay, maybe you know, we're just so sure.

00:21:47.758 --> 00:21:49.678
<v Melisa Pearce>Our egos are so big as humans.

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<v Melisa Pearce>We're so sure we understand everything at every age, at every year, at every decade, at every millennial, right?

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<v Melisa Pearce>And we really don't, we really need to stay open like children and learn and learn and learn and learn.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It's so true.

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<v Melisa Pearce>is so fun.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Yeah.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like that's it.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like to God more.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>The more research we do, the more I'm like, I think we're the dumbest species, you know?

00:22:11.513 --> 00:22:12.073
<v Melisa Pearce>Possibly.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I'm like, we, we know nothing.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I know, but this is so cool.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So your, serenity Farms is in Watertown, Minnesota.

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<v Melisa Pearce>No.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So Serenity Farms is one of my graduates in Watertown, Minnesota.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Okay.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Yes.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Fabulous.

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<v Melisa Pearce>No, I actually live in British Columbia.

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<v Melisa Pearce>for gosh, many, many years of my life over 30 and decided last year to move to British Columbia.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So we just moved.

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<v Melisa Pearce>We just relocated up here to, uh, a little town called Chase, and we have our ranch up here.

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<v Melisa Pearce>We have 160 acres with a.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Creek running through it.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And yes, a lot of snow, big pine trees and all of that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And that's our retreat center now.

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<v Melisa Pearce>We have tiny homes coming in and our retreat center will be up here in beautiful, British Columbia now.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>No, literally we just talked to an energy worker who was kind of giving me and Rachel some business advice and she was like, it's really important that the two of you as part of your business and planning get away together.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Right.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And like, because that's really where, you know, because like this whole journey started because we're trying to heal ourselves, right.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>And

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<v Melisa Pearce>Right,

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<v Jaisa Engasser>power of spirituality in doing that.

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<v Melisa Pearce>right.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>A lot of that is through investigating things that we've never heard of because like what you said is so spot on.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>The ego or, the trap in all of this is assuming we know

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<v Melisa Pearce>Yeah.

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<v Melisa Pearce>And

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<v Jaisa Engasser>what's best, we know nothing.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>We know nothing,

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<v Melisa Pearce>Right,

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<v Jaisa Engasser>right?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like that is the, if you start at that position, the healing and the education that can unfold from there can be really miraculous because.

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<v Melisa Pearce>totally.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Much.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>There's so much.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So talk to us a little bit because we do have a lot of listeners in Minnesota.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So what, what do you mean by you have a graduating farm?

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<v Melisa Pearce>I Have 350 graduates in 11 countries worldwide

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Whoa.

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<v Melisa Pearce>train to learn my methodology.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So they have trained to learn to work with horses with Gestalt in the way that I do.

00:24:11.463 --> 00:24:12.634
<v Melisa Pearce>So I'm the mothership.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I trained them.

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<v Melisa Pearce>They all do a great job.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So if you live near one for sure, go see one.

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<v Melisa Pearce>People are curious, they can get on TouchedByAHorse.com and we have find a practitioner, have a big map of the United States and Canada and they can find them.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Uh, We don't have a worldwide map, but we have them in Latvia, uh, the uk, New Zealand, you know, all over.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So they can also contact our office to find who's like.

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<v Melisa Pearce>in Their specialty.

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<v Melisa Pearce>'cause we have some that specialize in addiction.

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<v Melisa Pearce>We have some that specialize in sexual abuse.

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<v Melisa Pearce>So sometimes it's good to travel where the person is that's dialed into that specialty.

00:24:51.994 --> 00:24:54.274
<v Melisa Pearce>So, But they're all very good at what they do.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Incredible.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So, okay, so, and now I'm curious because like, I wanna do this immediately.

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<v Melisa Pearce>come to my retreat

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Oh

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<v Melisa Pearce>in British Columbia.

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<v Melisa Pearce>I'm inviting you.

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<v Melisa Pearce>All

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I've never been to British Columbia.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>It's like on my list.

00:25:06.634 --> 00:25:07.443
<v Jaisa Engasser>It's on my list.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So, Rachel, I think I know what we're doing now.

00:25:10.244 --> 00:25:12.074
<v Rachael Loney>Yes, 100%.

00:25:12.169 --> 00:25:13.098
<v Jaisa Engasser>know we know what we're doing.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>So talk us through what people would expect.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>What therapy could look like, right?

00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:26.419
<v Jaisa Engasser>You gave us some really good examples, but if somebody said listen, I wanna heal X, you know, Rachel has been super open on the podcast about her grief, you know, journey through grief.

00:25:27.019 --> 00:25:32.659
<v Jaisa Engasser>I'm super open about, you know, the traumatic and also miraculous experience of my son's diagnosis.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Right.

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<v Jaisa Engasser>If we were looking to continue down a path, where do you begin with that?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>Like anybody off the street, where would we start and what would that look like in terms of visiting a retreat or one of your graduating centers?

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<v Jaisa Engasser>I.

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<v Melisa Pearce>Right, so they can come, A person can come for an hour and a half session, and a common comment they give back to me or to my practitioners is, wait a minute, I.

00:25:56.588 --> 00:26:05.199
<v Melisa Pearce>I've been in therapy for five years or 10 years or whatever, and I see you one time and this all gets completely uncovered and I feel good.

00:26:05.558 --> 00:26:08.798
<v Melisa Pearce>So the reason for it is, it's experiential.

00:26:09.129 --> 00:26:11.129
<v Melisa Pearce>So I'm a psychotherapist.

00:26:11.129 --> 00:26:13.019
<v Melisa Pearce>I was trained in talk therapy.

00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:15.808
<v Melisa Pearce>So talk therapy gives people a better understanding.

00:26:15.808 --> 00:26:17.538
<v Melisa Pearce>Standing of what their issues are.

00:26:17.929 --> 00:26:21.649
<v Melisa Pearce>But it doesn't heal it, it doesn't heal the somatic body pain.

00:26:21.919 --> 00:26:24.419
<v Melisa Pearce>It doesn't bring it to a place of peace.

00:26:24.449 --> 00:26:28.679
<v Melisa Pearce>And what this does is brings you to clarity and to peace.

00:26:28.889 --> 00:26:31.439
<v Melisa Pearce>And that's, I think, what people are actually looking for.

00:26:31.499 --> 00:26:35.278
<v Melisa Pearce>I've been on that grief journey, Rachel, and it's a tough one, especially for a mom.

00:26:35.459 --> 00:26:37.229
<v Melisa Pearce>It's a, it's a, it's a bear.

00:26:37.229 --> 00:26:37.784
<v Melisa Pearce>Right.

00:26:38.084 --> 00:26:40.064
<v Melisa Pearce>So do we want closure?

00:26:40.064 --> 00:26:40.544
<v Melisa Pearce>No.

00:26:40.544 --> 00:26:41.804
<v Melisa Pearce>We want openness.

00:26:41.804 --> 00:26:45.014
<v Melisa Pearce>We want the opposite of closure, but we want peace.

00:26:45.374 --> 00:26:46.814
<v Melisa Pearce>Give my heart peace.

00:26:47.234 --> 00:26:49.213
<v Melisa Pearce>So that's what it's looking like.

00:26:49.213 --> 00:26:53.504
<v Melisa Pearce>So many times they'll come, um, if they're coming to a retreat.

00:26:53.504 --> 00:26:56.264
<v Melisa Pearce>I had a woman a few years ago that came to a retreat.

00:26:56.449 --> 00:26:58.578
<v Melisa Pearce>Her girlfriend bought it for her as a gift.

00:26:58.848 --> 00:27:04.038
<v Melisa Pearce>Her son was killed in her own front yard by the police in a mistaken identity case.

00:27:04.249 --> 00:27:06.109
<v Melisa Pearce>So not meant to happen.

00:27:06.109 --> 00:27:10.909
<v Melisa Pearce>I felt sorry for the police as well as the mom and clearly her son, all of that.

00:27:10.909 --> 00:27:13.249
<v Melisa Pearce>And you can't make sense of things like that.

00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.649
<v Melisa Pearce>You could go to talk therapy for the rest of your life.

00:27:15.649 --> 00:27:17.778
<v Melisa Pearce>You can't make sense out of that kind of stuff.

00:27:18.109 --> 00:27:19.729
<v Melisa Pearce>So she comes to the retreat.

00:27:20.499 --> 00:27:22.509
<v Melisa Pearce>The retreats always have fabulous food.

00:27:22.538 --> 00:27:23.528
<v Melisa Pearce>'cause we love food.

00:27:23.828 --> 00:27:25.568
<v Melisa Pearce>They have fabulous gifts.

00:27:25.568 --> 00:27:28.838
<v Melisa Pearce>Women get gifts morning, noon, and night, like a lot of little gifts.

00:27:28.838 --> 00:27:32.348
<v Melisa Pearce>It doesn't matter how big, you just love to open something special, right?

00:27:32.348 --> 00:27:38.798
<v Melisa Pearce>With bows and wrapping paper, they're spending time with the horses wearing their play clothes, right?

00:27:38.798 --> 00:27:42.909
<v Melisa Pearce>It's not like going somewhere where you have to dress up and mind your manner.

00:27:42.909 --> 00:27:45.129
<v Melisa Pearce>It's like, no, you can cry out loud.

00:27:45.129 --> 00:27:47.019
<v Melisa Pearce>You can scream whatever you need to do.

00:27:48.308 --> 00:27:57.649
<v Melisa Pearce>um, when they have their time, say with me if I'm the practitioner, there is a way to dial into listening to what your body is saying.

00:27:57.649 --> 00:28:02.598
<v Melisa Pearce>Your physical somatics in your body is saying your body speaks the truth.

00:28:03.088 --> 00:28:06.328
<v Melisa Pearce>It speaks it faster and it needs to be listened to.

00:28:07.199 --> 00:28:11.848
<v Melisa Pearce>we're dealing with the unfinished business that is hooked in the human body.

00:28:12.959 --> 00:28:15.078
<v Melisa Pearce>um, it's amazing work.

00:28:15.078 --> 00:28:17.058
<v Melisa Pearce>It's hard to describe it really.

00:28:17.369 --> 00:28:20.429
<v Melisa Pearce>Sometimes it's a big release, sometimes it's somebody.

00:28:20.744 --> 00:28:26.354
<v Melisa Pearce>Getting those tears out that have been in their body since they were a five-year-old child because they were traumatized at five.

00:28:26.713 --> 00:28:36.044
<v Melisa Pearce>Sometimes it's a scream of words that they never got a chance to say or there's just a lot of different ways that it's released.

00:28:36.094 --> 00:28:37.234
<v Melisa Pearce>from the physical body I.

00:28:37.984 --> 00:28:50.463
<v Melisa Pearce>And when people leave on the last day of a retreat, they feel like they found a sisterhood feel like they found people that really held space for them and held their heart and heard them.

00:28:50.524 --> 00:28:51.514
<v Melisa Pearce>And it's equal.

00:28:51.514 --> 00:28:52.234
<v Melisa Pearce>It's equanimity.

00:28:52.234 --> 00:28:53.254
<v Melisa Pearce>Everybody did it.

00:28:53.254 --> 00:28:55.114
<v Melisa Pearce>So it feels free and good.

00:28:55.504 --> 00:29:02.433
<v Melisa Pearce>And I've got people that have stayed friends for decades after they've come to one of my retreats because they've gotten that deeply grounded.

00:29:02.744 --> 00:29:08.144
<v Melisa Pearce>With these other people I have had several that have wanted to go get their own horse.

00:29:08.144 --> 00:29:10.544
<v Melisa Pearce>So there is a warning label always

00:29:12.111 --> 00:29:21.591
<v Rachael Loney>Oh, well, I'm sure you're going to this, kind of sacred space, and I just have to comment your energy is so beautiful.

00:29:21.591 --> 00:29:24.230
<v Rachael Loney>I mean, it's so comfortable.

00:29:24.230 --> 00:29:26.301
<v Rachael Loney>Just talking to you, it's so easy.

00:29:26.301 --> 00:29:28.701
<v Rachael Loney>I mean, it really feels safe with you.

00:29:28.746 --> 00:29:29.046
<v Melisa Pearce>you.

00:29:29.286 --> 00:29:34.786
<v Rachael Loney>Um, and then you share these very deeply personable, vulnerable things.

00:29:34.786 --> 00:29:39.915
<v Rachael Loney>I can only imagine the kind of connection you start to make with the other people who are also doing the same thing.

00:29:40.186 --> 00:29:40.546
<v Rachael Loney>Yeah,

00:29:40.696 --> 00:29:46.635
<v Melisa Pearce>And willing to be authentic and share my own as well, share what's happened to me in my life as well.

00:29:46.635 --> 00:29:52.456
<v Melisa Pearce>So, yeah, and that's one of the things to become a practitioner, is people become very authentic.

00:29:52.846 --> 00:29:53.415
<v Rachael Loney>yeah.

00:29:54.141 --> 00:29:56.056
<v Rachael Loney>it's just so beautiful all the way around.

00:29:56.355 --> 00:29:56.926
<v Melisa Pearce>Thank you.

00:29:57.316 --> 00:30:04.546
<v Rachael Loney>Such a good example of continuing to heal yourself and healing other people, and it's just this beautiful cycle that we all are progressing through.

00:30:04.726 --> 00:30:05.776
<v Melisa Pearce>Right, right.

00:30:06.556 --> 00:30:08.476
<v Melisa Pearce>know, horses have a gift that we don't have.

00:30:08.476 --> 00:30:10.336
<v Melisa Pearce>They're completely non-judgmental.

00:30:10.651 --> 00:30:11.071
<v Rachael Loney>Mm-hmm.

00:30:11.115 --> 00:30:15.915
<v Melisa Pearce>so being in the, in the presence of an animal that is giving you their heart.

00:30:16.260 --> 00:30:20.851
<v Melisa Pearce>Without any judgment is a beautiful sensation just in and of itself.

00:30:20.851 --> 00:30:23.941
<v Melisa Pearce>Just to go, wow, this animal actually heard me.

00:30:24.361 --> 00:30:29.551
<v Melisa Pearce>I don't know how much time we have, but I have an amazing story about a woman that went to Africa.

00:30:29.551 --> 00:30:30.391
<v Melisa Pearce>Do you wanna hear that

00:30:30.635 --> 00:30:31.266
<v Jaisa Engasser>Yes.

00:30:31.278 --> 00:30:34.999
<v Melisa Pearce>A little bit long, but I have 22 people that witnessed this.

00:30:34.999 --> 00:30:37.639
<v Melisa Pearce>So I always say that'cause these things sound crazy.

00:30:37.848 --> 00:30:39.558
<v Melisa Pearce>But this truly happened.

00:30:39.859 --> 00:30:48.798
<v Melisa Pearce>I had a women's retreat and at the end of the retreat, I had a time where I had worked one-on-one with everybody that was there except one woman.

00:30:49.189 --> 00:30:51.679
<v Melisa Pearce>And so I didn't want her to feel like she had to.

00:30:51.818 --> 00:30:55.074
<v Melisa Pearce>And I wanted to make sure she contracted with her own soul first.

00:30:55.494 --> 00:31:05.903
<v Melisa Pearce>So I said to her, I said, I have time this morning to do the piece with you, or I am totally okay with saying you got a lot of borrowed benefit from the weekend and we're good.

00:31:05.963 --> 00:31:06.384
<v Melisa Pearce>Right?

00:31:06.413 --> 00:31:09.024
<v Melisa Pearce>And she said, no, I, I do want to.

00:31:09.084 --> 00:31:09.683
<v Melisa Pearce>I said, okay.

00:31:09.683 --> 00:31:11.634
<v Melisa Pearce>So she comes up and sits in front of me.

00:31:12.484 --> 00:31:16.594
<v Melisa Pearce>And I said, well, you've watched a lot of these pieces.

00:31:16.594 --> 00:31:17.223
<v Melisa Pearce>What's come up?

00:31:17.223 --> 00:31:24.574
<v Melisa Pearce>She said, well, was a medical doctor and then I instead dropped my medical license and became a therapist.

00:31:24.784 --> 00:31:26.524
<v Melisa Pearce>So that's not something you hear every day.

00:31:26.524 --> 00:31:29.463
<v Melisa Pearce>You think there has to be a story around dropping that medical license.

00:31:30.229 --> 00:31:35.314
<v Melisa Pearce>I said, do you mind sharing with me the story of how and why you dropped the medical license?

00:31:35.314 --> 00:31:36.324
<v Melisa Pearce>And she said, well.

00:31:36.774 --> 00:31:39.173
<v Melisa Pearce>It wasn't what I was gonna talk about, but I will.

00:31:39.173 --> 00:31:41.183
<v Melisa Pearce>She said, I've only shared this with my sister.

00:31:41.484 --> 00:31:44.244
<v Melisa Pearce>And I said, okay, well, if you're willing, she says, yeah, I trust you.

00:31:44.244 --> 00:31:45.384
<v Melisa Pearce>I'm willing to do that.

00:31:45.804 --> 00:31:50.534
<v Melisa Pearce>So she's in a 70 foot round pen circle, so the mare's probably as close.

00:31:50.534 --> 00:31:52.244
<v Melisa Pearce>I could reach out my arm and touch her nose.

00:31:52.304 --> 00:31:53.744
<v Melisa Pearce>You know, she's right there with us.

00:31:53.744 --> 00:31:54.163
<v Melisa Pearce>Right?

00:31:54.433 --> 00:31:55.994
<v Melisa Pearce>She could go anywhere in the 70.

00:31:56.769 --> 00:32:04.808
<v Melisa Pearce>circle, but she walked over, ears up, head down, right on this woman, as she began to speak, as if she could understand.

00:32:04.808 --> 00:32:05.769
<v Melisa Pearce>This was big.

00:32:05.859 --> 00:32:06.818
<v Melisa Pearce>This was really big.

00:32:08.318 --> 00:32:09.994
<v Melisa Pearce>the woman said she got her degree.

00:32:10.558 --> 00:32:15.989
<v Melisa Pearce>Finished becoming a doctor, but she really wanted a husband and a family and she didn't have that yet.

00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:21.869
<v Melisa Pearce>So she thought I could do something good with my medical degree for a few years and come back to the States.

00:32:22.019 --> 00:32:23.788
<v Melisa Pearce>She decided to go to the Sudan.

00:32:23.788 --> 00:32:28.379
<v Melisa Pearce>Now, when I was sitting with her, she was 72 years old and this was a number of years ago.

00:32:28.379 --> 00:32:37.469
<v Melisa Pearce>So the Sudan, in the years that she went, was going through a massive drought, like a drought we can't even imagine in America.

00:32:38.134 --> 00:32:45.334
<v Melisa Pearce>And so she got there and she's this young brand new doctor, and they said, okay, well you're gonna treat these people.

00:32:45.334 --> 00:32:49.354
<v Melisa Pearce>But they didn't have anything to treat them with very minimal supplies.

00:32:49.413 --> 00:32:53.824
<v Melisa Pearce>And what they were mostly dying from was dehydration and starvation.

00:32:54.048 --> 00:32:55.609
<v Melisa Pearce>What can a medical doctor do?

00:32:55.669 --> 00:32:56.088
<v Melisa Pearce>Right?

00:32:56.088 --> 00:33:05.328
<v Melisa Pearce>So she's there for two and a half years and she saw so much in the way of death and hopelessness, and it really did everything she could.

00:33:05.689 --> 00:33:13.129
<v Melisa Pearce>She decided to leave at the end of her two and a half year tour, and the male doctor, who was the head of the whole thing, walked over to her.

00:33:13.278 --> 00:33:14.929
<v Melisa Pearce>She was getting on the plane.

00:33:15.229 --> 00:33:20.328
<v Melisa Pearce>She thought he was coming over to say, thank you for coming, but no, he said, you're going back.

00:33:20.328 --> 00:33:21.259
<v Melisa Pearce>She said, I am.

00:33:21.259 --> 00:33:22.969
<v Melisa Pearce>He said, I thought better of you.

00:33:23.249 --> 00:33:24.479
<v Melisa Pearce>And turned around and walked off.

00:33:24.479 --> 00:33:25.619
<v Melisa Pearce>She was like, oh.

00:33:26.609 --> 00:33:29.429
<v Melisa Pearce>So she gets on the plane, she flies back.

00:33:29.429 --> 00:33:30.719
<v Melisa Pearce>She lived in Seattle.

00:33:30.719 --> 00:33:32.879
<v Melisa Pearce>She gets a job at a hospital.

00:33:32.879 --> 00:33:36.959
<v Melisa Pearce>She's working there for four years as a doctor there, getting some experience.

00:33:37.558 --> 00:33:49.709
<v Melisa Pearce>And what she was mostly experiencing was how much waste there is in American, uh, hospitals as far as if she asked for a four by four gauze and somebody opened a two by two.

00:33:49.769 --> 00:33:50.609
<v Melisa Pearce>She, oh, sorry.

00:33:50.818 --> 00:33:51.659
<v Melisa Pearce>And they throw it away.

00:33:52.149 --> 00:33:56.139
<v Melisa Pearce>Uh, you know, and where she had come from is like, no, no, no, no, no.

00:33:56.169 --> 00:33:57.219
<v Melisa Pearce>You know, don't do that.

00:33:57.219 --> 00:33:58.088
<v Melisa Pearce>Put it back in the packet.

00:33:58.088 --> 00:33:58.778
<v Melisa Pearce>Let's save it.

00:33:59.199 --> 00:34:00.038
<v Melisa Pearce>And on and on.

00:34:00.038 --> 00:34:00.939
<v Melisa Pearce>Lots of waste.

00:34:01.239 --> 00:34:06.129
<v Melisa Pearce>So she decided,'cause that was eating at her, she still hadn't miss, met Mr.

00:34:06.129 --> 00:34:06.429
<v Melisa Pearce>Wright.

00:34:06.429 --> 00:34:07.538
<v Melisa Pearce>She still didn't have kids.

00:34:07.538 --> 00:34:08.798
<v Melisa Pearce>She was going back to the sedan.

00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:18.679
<v Melisa Pearce>back to the sedan, the rains had come, so now Peace Corps had been there, showed'em how to do irrigation and reservoirs and, and food was there.

00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:21.828
<v Melisa Pearce>So she was really very happy to be back there.

00:34:22.188 --> 00:34:22.998
<v Melisa Pearce>She's back there.

00:34:22.998 --> 00:34:24.949
<v Melisa Pearce>She's tells these stories of some stuff.

00:34:24.949 --> 00:34:27.403
<v Melisa Pearce>She went through there and, um.

00:34:28.753 --> 00:34:36.014
<v Melisa Pearce>While she's, you know, being a doctor back there, she's at a table with a bunch of physicians talking about things that they needed.

00:34:36.103 --> 00:34:45.433
<v Melisa Pearce>And the one thing they all forgot was that something as simple as measles could come into a population that has zero immunity against it.

00:34:45.494 --> 00:34:50.173
<v Melisa Pearce>And she was there while 14,000 people died of measles.

00:34:50.173 --> 00:34:53.173
<v Melisa Pearce>And that's in the National Geographic Magazine of that year.

00:34:53.518 --> 00:34:55.318
<v Melisa Pearce>All these different people dying.

00:34:55.648 --> 00:34:56.518
<v Melisa Pearce>So that was it.

00:34:56.518 --> 00:34:57.179
<v Melisa Pearce>She was out.

00:34:57.179 --> 00:34:58.288
<v Melisa Pearce>She's like, I can't do it.

00:34:58.288 --> 00:35:04.318
<v Melisa Pearce>She came back, dropped her medical license, went back to school, became a psychotherapist, and that's what she was doing that day.

00:35:05.068 --> 00:35:08.219
<v Melisa Pearce>my mayor hears her longer version of that story.

00:35:08.219 --> 00:35:11.128
<v Melisa Pearce>She's just riveted to this woman, just riveted to her.

00:35:11.608 --> 00:35:13.588
<v Melisa Pearce>And so we, I asked her some other things.

00:35:13.588 --> 00:35:19.199
<v Melisa Pearce>We'd go through some things, do a little piece of gestalt work, and then I said, are you okay going in the pen with.

00:35:19.264 --> 00:35:22.594
<v Melisa Pearce>My mare Tory, and she said, yes, I dunno anything about horses, but yes.

00:35:22.953 --> 00:35:29.643
<v Melisa Pearce>So I had her go and stand in the center of the 70 foot circle I said, feel your feet on Mother Earth.

00:35:29.643 --> 00:35:30.574
<v Melisa Pearce>Take a deep breath.

00:35:30.574 --> 00:35:31.893
<v Melisa Pearce>That's a powerful story.

00:35:31.893 --> 00:35:36.153
<v Melisa Pearce>Many of us in the arena are highly moved from your story, so just breathe.

00:35:36.483 --> 00:35:38.223
<v Melisa Pearce>And then my mare did something really odd.

00:35:38.223 --> 00:35:39.393
<v Melisa Pearce>She didn't go over to her.

00:35:39.693 --> 00:35:44.373
<v Melisa Pearce>She took her nose and she started rubbing her nose sideways like this all the way around.

00:35:44.673 --> 00:35:49.503
<v Melisa Pearce>The entire 70 foot circle took her a while to do it all the way around.

00:35:50.134 --> 00:35:53.703
<v Melisa Pearce>I asked the woman, do you have any idea what my mare's doing?

00:35:54.183 --> 00:35:55.864
<v Melisa Pearce>She said, not a clue.

00:35:55.893 --> 00:35:56.643
<v Melisa Pearce>Rejecting me.

00:35:56.643 --> 00:35:57.273
<v Melisa Pearce>I think.

00:35:57.364 --> 00:35:58.923
<v Melisa Pearce>I said, no, they're angelic.

00:35:58.923 --> 00:36:01.263
<v Melisa Pearce>They're from the angel realm, not rejecting you.

00:36:01.683 --> 00:36:03.123
<v Melisa Pearce>So she goes all the way around.

00:36:03.123 --> 00:36:04.623
<v Melisa Pearce>Then Tori went into her.

00:36:05.698 --> 00:36:13.618
<v Melisa Pearce>she pressed her muzzle against her heart, and then she put her head down to the ground as if she was eating the dirt mimicking.

00:36:13.648 --> 00:36:19.198
<v Melisa Pearce>She was eating the dirt and she brought her head up and she looked at me again, two words, three syllables, you know?

00:36:19.198 --> 00:36:19.768
<v Melisa Pearce>I'm like, what?

00:36:20.278 --> 00:36:21.628
<v Melisa Pearce>So I didn't know.

00:36:21.628 --> 00:36:23.128
<v Melisa Pearce>So I said, Tori, I am not following you.

00:36:23.128 --> 00:36:23.759
<v Melisa Pearce>Show me again.

00:36:23.759 --> 00:36:24.778
<v Melisa Pearce>She shows me again.

00:36:24.778 --> 00:36:28.828
<v Melisa Pearce>Then she finally reached out and actually took a bite of the sand and spit it back out.

00:36:29.143 --> 00:36:30.763
<v Melisa Pearce>And the woman said, oh my God.

00:36:30.823 --> 00:36:31.364
<v Melisa Pearce>I said what?

00:36:31.693 --> 00:36:37.873
<v Melisa Pearce>She said, those women with the babies that were dying of starvation, the bellies on the babies get huge.

00:36:38.743 --> 00:36:43.364
<v Melisa Pearce>she said, then the mothers would let them eat sand because the sand would quiet.

00:36:43.364 --> 00:36:47.743
<v Melisa Pearce>The pains of hunger of course, killed the kids, but it would quiet pains of hunger.

00:36:48.373 --> 00:36:49.093
<v Melisa Pearce>So, yeah.

00:36:49.153 --> 00:36:49.873
<v Melisa Pearce>Thank you Rachel.

00:36:49.873 --> 00:36:51.223
<v Melisa Pearce>We were all crying, right?

00:36:51.223 --> 00:36:53.233
<v Melisa Pearce>We're all crying as she's telling us this.

00:36:53.263 --> 00:36:58.933
<v Melisa Pearce>And then she said, uh, I think I know why she made the circle around the pen.

00:36:58.963 --> 00:36:59.653
<v Melisa Pearce>I said, why?

00:36:59.653 --> 00:37:13.213
<v Melisa Pearce>She said, in the Sudan, uh, a, a doctor like myself had to have the medicine doctor of the tribe present and they would draw a circle around where we were working and bless that area before working with us.

00:37:14.114 --> 00:37:16.573
<v Melisa Pearce>So I'm like, okay, chills everywhere.

00:37:16.603 --> 00:37:17.083
<v Melisa Pearce>Right?

00:37:17.413 --> 00:37:20.114
<v Melisa Pearce>Then my marere picks up her four leg and a horse.

00:37:20.143 --> 00:37:27.223
<v Melisa Pearce>Anatomically the way a horse is built, their, their shoulder is a swivel joint and there there's a rhythm when they're pawing.

00:37:27.553 --> 00:37:29.683
<v Melisa Pearce>She took her leg out and she didn't paw like a horse.

00:37:29.683 --> 00:37:36.313
<v Melisa Pearce>She stretched it out and brought it like she was sort of digging in the sand, just kind of over and over and over, digging in the sand.

00:37:36.703 --> 00:37:39.763
<v Melisa Pearce>Now my client's starting to lose it, and she said, oh my God, Melissa.

00:37:39.763 --> 00:37:40.723
<v Melisa Pearce>I said what she said.

00:37:41.213 --> 00:38:00.623
<v Melisa Pearce>The mothers, the thing I can't get outta my head, and I was thinking while I was telling you this story, was the mothers on their hands and knees digging the graves in the sand for their babies, and they would dig and dig and dig and dig until they thought they had it deep enough by hand, bloody fingers digging through the sand to bury these babies.

00:38:02.053 --> 00:38:03.823
<v Melisa Pearce>So we're all losing it, right?

00:38:03.823 --> 00:38:04.933
<v Melisa Pearce>We're all losing it.

00:38:05.083 --> 00:38:10.364
<v Melisa Pearce>She wept on my mare's shoulder, just cried and cried, and cried to get it out.

00:38:10.364 --> 00:38:15.103
<v Melisa Pearce>It was a, it was a something she had lived several years before, but it was still in there.

00:38:15.134 --> 00:38:17.263
<v Melisa Pearce>It was still angst for her.

00:38:17.263 --> 00:38:18.763
<v Melisa Pearce>It was still unfinished.

00:38:18.763 --> 00:38:20.864
<v Melisa Pearce>It still wasn't anything she had ever done.

00:38:21.193 --> 00:38:24.193
<v Melisa Pearce>So we finished a beautiful piece of Gestalt work with her.

00:38:24.373 --> 00:38:26.473
<v Melisa Pearce>She came back out and sat down and she said.

00:38:26.893 --> 00:38:29.083
<v Melisa Pearce>Why do you think your marere showed me that?

00:38:29.173 --> 00:38:33.253
<v Melisa Pearce>And I said, because she wanted you to know cross species.

00:38:33.313 --> 00:38:39.614
<v Melisa Pearce>She could see it and she could feel your pain, that it is not just yours, that this is cross species all the way across.

00:38:39.614 --> 00:38:43.003
<v Melisa Pearce>And she wanted you to know deeply how much she had.

00:38:43.358 --> 00:38:43.898
<v Melisa Pearce>Heard you.

00:38:43.928 --> 00:38:47.918
<v Melisa Pearce>She's a mother herself and could feel all of that pain with you.

00:38:48.578 --> 00:38:49.958
<v Melisa Pearce>So it was great.

00:38:50.658 --> 00:38:52.428
<v Melisa Pearce>So that's their beauty.

00:38:52.478 --> 00:38:54.368
<v Melisa Pearce>I mean, that mare stood for her.

00:38:54.489 --> 00:39:00.398
<v Melisa Pearce>In fact, when she leaned on her and was crying on her, she started doing like this just ever so slowly rocking her.

00:39:00.818 --> 00:39:02.378
<v Melisa Pearce>It was just so beautiful.

00:39:02.478 --> 00:39:04.128
<v Jaisa Engasser>That's unbelievable.

00:39:04.158 --> 00:39:05.148
<v Jaisa Engasser>That's unbelievable.

00:39:05.388 --> 00:39:05.628
<v Melisa Pearce>That's

00:39:05.688 --> 00:39:06.078
<v Jaisa Engasser>it's like,

00:39:06.259 --> 00:39:08.353
<v Melisa Pearce>that story with, there were 22 people in the ring.

00:39:08.735 --> 00:39:13.685
<v Jaisa Engasser>You know, if you think about, it's like there's so many things about it that's incredible, right?

00:39:13.685 --> 00:39:15.185
<v Jaisa Engasser>Like the fact that I.

00:39:15.185 --> 00:39:21.905
<v Jaisa Engasser>The horse can feel her pain and be able to see it and you know, act it out and recognize it.

00:39:21.905 --> 00:39:36.975
<v Jaisa Engasser>But the fact that the horse knows what to do for the highest healing, even though it's so incredibly painful, obviously that's an extraordinarily difficult story to hear, more so to experience, but it's like.

00:39:37.365 --> 00:39:41.326
<v Jaisa Engasser>In the shadows and in the trauma is often like where we need to go

00:39:41.475 --> 00:39:42.495
<v Melisa Pearce>Absolutely.

00:39:42.826 --> 00:39:43.065
<v Jaisa Engasser>Right.

00:39:43.065 --> 00:39:46.755
<v Jaisa Engasser>And it's like, how does one do that on their, on your own, right?

00:39:46.755 --> 00:39:47.115
<v Jaisa Engasser>Like you can't.

00:39:47.431 --> 00:39:48.030
<v Melisa Pearce>on your own.

00:39:48.060 --> 00:39:48.870
<v Melisa Pearce>You can't on your own.

00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:54.370
<v Melisa Pearce>Horses live a very gestalt life, and so Gestalt and horses go together really, really well.

00:39:54.370 --> 00:40:02.895
<v Melisa Pearce>So I, I've never looked back since I started doing it with them as the best partners they could possibly be because they hear it, they see it in their mind's eye, they.

00:40:03.165 --> 00:40:03.585
<v Melisa Pearce>Feel it.

00:40:03.585 --> 00:40:07.665
<v Melisa Pearce>They honor when people are lying to themselves, they'll set boundaries.

00:40:07.665 --> 00:40:09.645
<v Melisa Pearce>They're just really incredible.

00:40:09.705 --> 00:40:16.725
<v Melisa Pearce>And, and I know some people listening to your podcast, I'm sure have a horse in the backyard that they go ride and stuff and good for them.

00:40:17.145 --> 00:40:25.275
<v Melisa Pearce>Um, what my mission in the world is that people will hold horses at a higher level, actually see them in a more spiritual and higher level.

00:40:25.455 --> 00:40:28.705
<v Melisa Pearce>So if you have a horse in your backyard, give'em a smooch today.

00:40:28.705 --> 00:40:30.025
<v Melisa Pearce>Give'em a hug, let'em know.

00:40:30.225 --> 00:40:35.535
<v Melisa Pearce>You learned a little bit more about why they're on the earth and why they're here and, and what they can do.

00:40:35.565 --> 00:40:36.826
<v Melisa Pearce>It's their essential gift.

00:40:36.826 --> 00:40:39.346
<v Melisa Pearce>They're willing to give it if we're willing to receive it.

00:40:40.300 --> 00:40:42.400
<v Jaisa Engasser>I will never look at a horse the same way again.

00:40:42.550 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Jaisa Engasser>I'm gonna stop.

00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.130
<v Jaisa Engasser>You're gonna see me on the side of the highway.

00:40:45.221 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Jaisa Engasser>Jumping fences.

00:40:46.890 --> 00:40:58.565
<v Rachael Loney>I am so fascinated by your story, I mean, when we talked about them being telepathic, the horse is acting out the memories in her head,

00:40:58.730 --> 00:41:01.221
<v Melisa Pearce>Yes, Everything that they saw.

00:41:01.625 --> 00:41:01.745
<v Rachael Loney>Yes.

00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:07.330
<v Melisa Pearce>the images that she saw, like, and you saw this and you saw this and you saw this.

00:41:07.600 --> 00:41:12.221
<v Melisa Pearce>Uh, I don't think that Tori understood that was in Africa clear across on the continent.

00:41:12.221 --> 00:41:18.300
<v Melisa Pearce>I'm not trying to say that but what she knew was this hurt you to see this and this hurt you to see that.

00:41:18.300 --> 00:41:23.730
<v Melisa Pearce>And she was able to really share that with her and let her know, I hear you.

00:41:23.850 --> 00:41:24.630
<v Melisa Pearce>I hear you.

00:41:24.630 --> 00:41:26.010
<v Melisa Pearce>I see you, I feel you.

00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:27.576
<v Melisa Pearce>Which is very healing.

00:41:28.270 --> 00:41:32.770
<v Jaisa Engasser>It's so healing and like what you're saying about like the horses being from the angel realm, right?

00:41:32.793 --> 00:41:33.183
<v Melisa Pearce>Right.

00:41:33.348 --> 00:41:42.408
<v Jaisa Engasser>creating and, and I think about how powerful this healing is because then you are no longer experiencing things on the earthly plane.

00:41:43.248 --> 00:41:45.418
<v Jaisa Engasser>You know, this is divine.

00:41:45.418 --> 00:41:52.118
<v Jaisa Engasser>When you feel like you're not just seen and heard, but there is, a connection to the spiritual world.

00:41:52.868 --> 00:41:54.818
<v Jaisa Engasser>Far beyond our understanding.

00:41:55.058 --> 00:42:00.338
<v Jaisa Engasser>In some ways it can help us assign meaning to it, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

00:42:00.398 --> 00:42:00.668
<v Jaisa Engasser>Like,

00:42:00.683 --> 00:42:01.123
<v Melisa Pearce>exactly,

00:42:01.748 --> 00:42:06.278
<v Jaisa Engasser>yeah, this is, I'm being seen and heard from a divine realm

00:42:06.278 --> 00:42:06.518
<v Melisa Pearce>Yeah,

00:42:06.608 --> 00:42:11.228
<v Jaisa Engasser>that you cannot explain that has to be magical, for that recipient.

00:42:11.318 --> 00:42:11.708
<v Melisa Pearce>is.

00:42:11.918 --> 00:42:20.108
<v Melisa Pearce>People are never quite sure what they just witnessed, so they're kind of dumbstruck while they're crying, looking at each other, like, did that horse really just do that?

00:42:20.168 --> 00:42:20.739
<v Melisa Pearce>Yes.

00:42:20.739 --> 00:42:21.938
<v Melisa Pearce>They really just did that.

00:42:22.403 --> 00:42:24.143
<v Jaisa Engasser>Oh my gosh.

00:42:24.533 --> 00:42:25.163
<v Jaisa Engasser>Okay.

00:42:25.163 --> 00:42:26.183
<v Jaisa Engasser>This is a great segue.

00:42:26.183 --> 00:42:31.134
<v Jaisa Engasser>So you brought a little gift to the podcast today, your card deck.

00:42:32.063 --> 00:42:34.013
<v Jaisa Engasser>Melissa, tell us about your card deck.

00:42:34.134 --> 00:42:40.403
<v Melisa Pearce>So a beautiful, good friend of mine, her name was Jan Taylor, was an amazing equine artist.

00:42:40.623 --> 00:42:45.213
<v Melisa Pearce>She's in leaning tree cards and, uh, a lot of people know of her work.

00:42:45.543 --> 00:42:49.053
<v Melisa Pearce>And she kept her horses on my farm in Arizona.

00:42:49.053 --> 00:42:51.063
<v Melisa Pearce>So that's how we connected and met.

00:42:51.153 --> 00:42:57.003
<v Melisa Pearce>And I always wanted to create a deck, a spiritual deck for people, but with horses.

00:42:57.303 --> 00:42:58.563
<v Melisa Pearce>And so I utilized.

00:42:58.568 --> 00:43:02.228
<v Melisa Pearce>Jan's beautiful artwork all the way through.

00:43:02.228 --> 00:43:08.408
<v Melisa Pearce>She's a very eclectic, equine artist So I thought I will, uh, shuffle this.

00:43:08.408 --> 00:43:11.048
<v Melisa Pearce>You tell me when to stop and we'll read the deck.

00:43:11.048 --> 00:43:15.548
<v Melisa Pearce>There's 52 in the deck, and we'll read the card that I wrote that comes up with that painting.

00:43:15.548 --> 00:43:17.588
<v Melisa Pearce>So just tell me to stop when you want me to stop.

00:43:20.163 --> 00:43:20.614
<v Rachael Loney>Stop.

00:43:22.788 --> 00:43:25.158
<v Melisa Pearce>Fun, mystical.

00:43:25.489 --> 00:43:28.638
<v Melisa Pearce>So this horse, actually, that's what you guys got.

00:43:28.968 --> 00:43:32.448
<v Melisa Pearce>Uh, this horse is actually on my ranch in British Columbia.

00:43:32.448 --> 00:43:34.158
<v Melisa Pearce>He is a black and white American paint horse.

00:43:34.158 --> 00:43:35.568
<v Melisa Pearce>He was what's called a Rainer.

00:43:35.778 --> 00:43:37.938
<v Melisa Pearce>His name is QT for QuickTime.

00:43:38.268 --> 00:43:42.078
<v Melisa Pearce>And uh, she did this beautiful painting of him for me.

00:43:42.078 --> 00:43:42.648
<v Melisa Pearce>And then.

00:43:42.923 --> 00:43:51.083
<v Melisa Pearce>I wrote all the deck and published the deck, so the vastness of your purpose and the energies of the universe are before you at this time.

00:43:51.413 --> 00:43:55.553
<v Melisa Pearce>What was once mundane and straightforward now seems to be full of mystery.

00:43:55.823 --> 00:43:58.943
<v Melisa Pearce>Your understanding of the mystical energies is deepening.

00:43:58.943 --> 00:43:59.003
<v Melisa Pearce>I.

00:43:59.493 --> 00:44:02.013
<v Melisa Pearce>I truly just pulled this when you guys said stop.

00:44:02.013 --> 00:44:03.663
<v Melisa Pearce>So this is your podcast, right?

00:44:04.263 --> 00:44:10.833
<v Melisa Pearce>Um, so you feel expansive and at one with the vibrations of your energy and all creation.

00:44:11.163 --> 00:44:14.943
<v Melisa Pearce>Cleanse all your thoughts and convert all your energy to the greater good.

00:44:14.943 --> 00:44:20.614
<v Melisa Pearce>At this time, the profound and the understood are becoming more familiar and clear.

00:44:21.033 --> 00:44:25.293
<v Melisa Pearce>Remain in each present moment, staying in contact with your own self.

00:44:25.713 --> 00:44:30.393
<v Melisa Pearce>You are being challenged to recognize yourself as the creator of your moments to come.

00:44:30.753 --> 00:44:35.223
<v Melisa Pearce>Take responsibility for all you put out energetically as you move through your world.

00:44:35.553 --> 00:44:43.503
<v Melisa Pearce>The mystical truth is to believe and to hold others and your own self are already whole, perfect and complete.

00:44:43.898 --> 00:44:50.588
<v Melisa Pearce>Hold that everything is unfolding before you with the divine inspiration in divine time and with divine ease.

00:44:50.618 --> 00:44:57.788
<v Melisa Pearce>So mode it be so the writings are on the back of the cards and, um, it's been a powerful deck.

00:44:57.788 --> 00:45:01.628
<v Melisa Pearce>I did it I think 22 years ago.

00:45:02.009 --> 00:45:04.888
<v Melisa Pearce>it's, uh, it's pretty special all the way around.

00:45:04.888 --> 00:45:06.328
<v Melisa Pearce>So that's the card.

00:45:06.328 --> 00:45:07.408
<v Melisa Pearce>You guys got

00:45:07.658 --> 00:45:09.518
<v Jaisa Engasser>You have no idea that like

00:45:09.538 --> 00:45:09.989
<v Melisa Pearce>right?

00:45:10.268 --> 00:45:22.928
<v Jaisa Engasser>blown away, I mean, just talking about what we talked about on this podcast today, but the conversations that Rachel and I are having, you know, on a daily basis and the guidance that we need to hear like that could not offend more spot on.

00:45:23.153 --> 00:45:23.453
<v Melisa Pearce>I was

00:45:23.498 --> 00:45:23.978
<v Jaisa Engasser>Creepy.

00:45:23.993 --> 00:45:25.433
<v Melisa Pearce>card should, which card should I do?

00:45:25.433 --> 00:45:28.283
<v Melisa Pearce>I'll just have them choose a card by telling me to stop.

00:45:28.283 --> 00:45:28.703
<v Melisa Pearce>So.

00:45:28.913 --> 00:45:31.073
<v Melisa Pearce>I love that on the front.

00:45:31.073 --> 00:45:35.963
<v Melisa Pearce>If I may, I am gonna read the quote that is drawn to me more than any other quote I wrote.

00:45:36.384 --> 00:45:40.403
<v Melisa Pearce>Our lives are shaped and seasoned by unforeseen circumstances.

00:45:40.463 --> 00:45:48.923
<v Melisa Pearce>Our being human means we choose our own responses and reactions to them, often maturing as we grow through friendships and with guidance.

00:45:49.043 --> 00:45:52.323
<v Melisa Pearce>Our own truth is formed as we step into our destiny.

00:45:52.683 --> 00:45:54.783
<v Melisa Pearce>Horses can be our dearest guides.

00:45:54.798 --> 00:45:59.898
<v Melisa Pearce>Most profound teachers and sweet, trusted confidants on life's journey.

00:46:00.228 --> 00:46:03.678
<v Melisa Pearce>Blessed are those who experience the whispers from a horse's heart.

00:46:03.948 --> 00:46:06.828
<v Melisa Pearce>That's the name of the deck is Whispers from a Horse's Heart,

00:46:07.698 --> 00:46:09.323
<v Jaisa Engasser>Okay, this is now the third time I've cried.

00:46:09.323 --> 00:46:11.543
<v Jaisa Engasser>On this podcast like, oh my gosh.

00:46:11.585 --> 00:46:13.326
<v Melisa Pearce>Only happy when everybody cries.

00:46:13.326 --> 00:46:14.765
<v Melisa Pearce>My students will tell you that.

00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:15.770
<v Rachael Loney>it's beautiful.

00:46:15.860 --> 00:46:19.070
<v Melisa Pearce>people want the deck, they can get it@touchedbyhorse.com.

00:46:19.070 --> 00:46:22.400
<v Melisa Pearce>Go to our store or our shop there and we'll send it to you.

00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.620
<v Melisa Pearce>And, uh, yeah, so that's,

00:46:24.640 --> 00:46:24.860
<v Rachael Loney>Oh.

00:46:25.310 --> 00:46:27.440
<v Melisa Pearce>deck has done so much for people.

00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.320
<v Melisa Pearce>And I have a veterinarian that gives it to people.

00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:39.710
<v Melisa Pearce>If he has to euthanize a horse, has to put a horse down, he hands them a deck because he said nothing will heal them faster than being able to like, oh, horses have this beautiful wisdom.

00:46:39.830 --> 00:46:40.250
<v Melisa Pearce>So,

00:46:40.701 --> 00:46:41.420
<v Rachael Loney>Oh

00:46:41.855 --> 00:46:43.415
<v Jaisa Engasser>you are an angel.

00:46:43.590 --> 00:46:43.810
<v Melisa Pearce>Oh,

00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:51.840
<v Rachael Loney>I was just gonna say, you are such a gift in so many capacities, you know, to the people you heal on your farm.

00:46:51.870 --> 00:46:54.360
<v Rachael Loney>In your words, in your beautiful writing.

00:46:54.690 --> 00:46:55.681
<v Rachael Loney>on and on and on.

00:46:55.710 --> 00:46:56.550
<v Rachael Loney>I mean, the world.

00:46:57.240 --> 00:46:58.380
<v Rachael Loney>We're lucky to have you.

00:46:58.815 --> 00:46:59.475
<v Melisa Pearce>Thank you.

00:46:59.560 --> 00:47:00.005
<v Jaisa Engasser>I, I know.

00:47:00.005 --> 00:47:02.615
<v Jaisa Engasser>And the way that these things work out, I mean, we are so blessed.

00:47:02.615 --> 00:47:06.275
<v Jaisa Engasser>This is like a dream life that we get to talk to people like you.

00:47:06.275 --> 00:47:08.038
<v Jaisa Engasser>I mean, It just blows our mind.

00:47:08.088 --> 00:47:12.018
<v Jaisa Engasser>so like the card you pulled, how we got connected with you, all of it, it was like.

00:47:12.868 --> 00:47:19.438
<v Jaisa Engasser>This felt like more healing in this conversation, you know, than a week of therapy.

00:47:19.478 --> 00:47:20.378
<v Jaisa Engasser>Think about that.

00:47:20.858 --> 00:47:21.338
<v Melisa Pearce>right.

00:47:21.398 --> 00:47:22.628
<v Jaisa Engasser>we're just hearing about it.

00:47:22.989 --> 00:47:23.678
<v Melisa Pearce>You bet.

00:47:23.823 --> 00:47:24.114
<v Rachael Loney>Yeah.

00:47:24.638 --> 00:47:24.938
<v Jaisa Engasser>gosh.

00:47:25.028 --> 00:47:26.228
<v Jaisa Engasser>You're such a blessing.

00:47:26.228 --> 00:47:27.938
<v Jaisa Engasser>Melissa, we're gonna come visit you.

00:47:28.193 --> 00:47:29.123
<v Melisa Pearce>Yes you are.

00:47:29.183 --> 00:47:29.693
<v Melisa Pearce>Yes you are.

00:47:29.693 --> 00:47:32.663
<v Melisa Pearce>You're gonna come to the Women's Retreat in British Columbia.

00:47:33.033 --> 00:47:33.573
<v Jaisa Engasser>Oh my gosh.

00:47:34.043 --> 00:47:34.463
<v Melisa Pearce>All right,

00:47:34.884 --> 00:47:36.893
<v Rachael Loney>I would love to, I would love to.

00:47:38.003 --> 00:47:38.693
<v Jaisa Engasser>Yes.

00:47:39.398 --> 00:47:40.208
<v Jaisa Engasser>Thank you guys.

00:47:40.208 --> 00:47:45.368
<v Jaisa Engasser>What a wonderful, unexpected, surprising moving conversation we had today.

00:47:45.368 --> 00:47:52.118
<v Jaisa Engasser>I mean, it's not often, I mean, you know, Rachel and I sporadically burst into tears, but this, you know, we don't usually cry throughout an episode.

00:47:52.118 --> 00:47:56.348
<v Jaisa Engasser>And Melissa, your gifts and everything that you shared today is so incredibly moving.

00:47:56.618 --> 00:47:58.748
<v Jaisa Engasser>I know our listeners are just gonna be thrilled by this.

00:47:58.989 --> 00:48:03.158
<v Jaisa Engasser>And what an exciting way to learn about another healing modality that is.

00:48:03.163 --> 00:48:05.593
<v Jaisa Engasser>So powerful to people who need it.

00:48:05.593 --> 00:48:06.553
<v Jaisa Engasser>So thank you.

00:48:06.763 --> 00:48:11.473
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00:48:11.683 --> 00:48:13.453
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00:48:13.543 --> 00:48:20.053
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00:48:20.053 --> 00:48:23.953
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00:48:24.223 --> 00:48:25.303
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00:48:25.333 --> 00:48:27.013
<v Jaisa Engasser>Have a beautiful blessed week.

00:48:27.713 --> 00:48:28.153
<v Melisa Pearce>Thank you both.

00:48:28.548 --> 00:48:30.438
<v Speaker 4>Thanks for joining us for today's episode.

00:48:30.558 --> 00:48:36.858
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00:48:37.308 --> 00:48:44.328
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