Ben Higgins - 'The Bachelor' Alum, Author, Entrepreneur and Podcast Host

 But I don't care who you are, you get thrown on a show. It feels exciting. It's a change up in life
 I messed in the so it wasn't prepared for those kind of things and at first I was like when my ego was getting bigger
 And the attention was coming on and I was starting to feel this thing thing. I'm cool, man
 Like you know, I'm not just that normal dude. I've got some swagger and one of my best buddies
 What I want to he called me you goes cool, man. Now you're just king of the nerds
 I was like, yeah, I think like as soon as I started feeling like I was
 What had some going I got shut up that so and my wife said hey, can I get a picture with him like honey
 He's not gonna be in the office, you know, he's gonna be on the streets
 You're listening to the radcast if it's radical we cover it
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 Hey
 Hey guys, what's up? It's Ryan offered welcome to the latest edition of the radcast
 It's an interesting day for me my friends. I don't always get to talk to some of my secret pleasures
 Which I'm gonna talk to a minute like between my wife and I you know, we have you know
 We don't have a lot in common, but we do have you know some secret things you're gonna learn a little bit about me today
 It's some of our interests, but Ben Higgins man former bachelor author entrepreneur
 I could kind of go on and on with the titles now that you're doing, but philanthropist. Oh, what's up, brother?
 What's up, man? How you doing good good to hear from you?
 Those titles are weird even when you say and it's like kind of like
 Let's just yeah, you know, we can hold it to do about two dudes just chat
 Yeah, two guys ain't out trying to make it work in life. Exactly. That's what we're trying to do exactly make it work. So
 What's happening Ben? I you know, I think a lot of our audience will at least heard of you
 I don't know how many bats are nation people there are we're gonna find out
 I'll find out in our DMs and everything else over the coming weeks, you know, how many
 Either closet or real bats or nation fans there were, but how things been going?
 You know things are it's a super interesting season of life
 And I kind of spoke out about a couple of weeks ago. I was doing an interview and it was a rough day and I was kind of talking about
 I feel like I'm a season of transition in a lot of ways
 All for the better the headlines came out
 If you Google my name right now, I think you what would come out is I'm gonna I had a breakdown
 I didn't know I had a breakdown. I thought I was doing pretty good
 But what I meant was like
 And maybe it comes from my my faith
 But like when I break down things in my life and I transition usually there's something that breaks through and there's some clarity and there's some
 Movement it's not always the most fun season in fact. I don't really enjoy it all, but I know that
 It's it's healthy and it's good and so I'm gonna really healthy in in good season
 But there's a lot of like
 There's a lot of things changing a lot of questions unanswered
 Don't don't know the path that's happening right now, but uh, but I'm in it and I know something people come from it
 No, it will and I think you know, it's interesting
 It's probably both the blessing and the curse of being you know
 My wife and I watch every show religiously every season religiously and you always stood out as being
 I don't know a little different as a contestant like I felt like you're one of the first contests
 I was like, you know, like normally could I have a beer with that guy, but I feel like he's like real and like
 Transparent and like being honest about things and I bet like but your best thing in your curse is probably like and then those headlines hitting
 He's like you get transparent a moment being been Higgins being really you and like maybe it backfires like oh, I you know
 I said, uh, you know, you're you're you're not in some doldrum
 Yeah, I mean, I well, I appreciate that's one of the best compliments I could get
 We could have a beer together
 In fact, it's early in the morning here
 Not if we could but
 um, you know and and people people bring that up a little bit
 And at first I took it offensively like hey, you seemed really relatable. You seem like a normal guy
 Those kind of things and at first I was like when my ego was getting bigger and the tension was coming on
 And I was starting to feel this spain thing. I was like no like
 I'm cool, man. Like you know, I'm not just that normal dude. I've got some swagger and then
 Over time, I realized I didn't and I started really enjoy the
 The piece of of being able for people to say hey, I just I I related with you or you you did feel different
 And I credit that a lot to my family and my friends because when I went on
 When I was announced the bachelor
 Some some of my family and friends were very excited some fans of the show and one of my best buddies
 What I wanted he called me
 He goes cool, man. Now you're just king of the nerds
 And I was like, yeah, I think like as soon as I started to feel like I was
 What had something going? I got shut down fast and then they always have done that which has been great because
 Truth is like
 You know, I don't think I'm a terrible human, but I'm not that great
 I'm not I don't think that my life looks a lot different than by most people's
 I just happen to get really lucky
 In my mid 20s and get thrown on a show that kind of change things forever
 And they're getting
 Which I want to get to some of that, but I think you know
 I just telling you and maybe pouring on the compliment or being more specific is
 I think that relatability is your swagger that is swagger
 You know like I think the more and you get into social media and all the the fakeness and everything
 Also goes with it. I think I hopefully you've realized that's your true armor
 Yeah
 Well
 And honestly where I'm in like
 And I'm learning this a lot about people and I know we're going to talk about the book in a bit
 But I've had a great year of being able to do things
 That involve a lot of people and hearing a lot of people's stories
 And
 And I think one of the best things about life is not is not acting like
 Every guy everything together
 And and not acting like we have it all figured out and not trying to put on a front
 To impresser
 the masses because
 That's pretty isolating
 One thing that just seeing people as equals and also at times seeing yourself is less than
 What it does is it allows you to open up your arms to wider group
 But when you find yourself thinking of yourself too high and that you're better than it's isolating
 It's lonely and at some point
 That catches up with you. I don't know when for some people can hold on to it for a long time, but
 Not to go on a tangent here, but they're
 um
 There's a great book uh
 Called papyland and the author papyland right Thompson
 Does this interview with michael jordan after his figures over and it talks about
 The transition from being michael jordan the player to michael jordan the retiree
 Uh, and how people view now that and how he doesn't maybe get the attention that he wants did and what that feels like and
 So at some point it catches up with everybody
 Um, I love right now. It's one people to be around
 I love that, but that's an interesting point. Let's go down that path because
 What was that like and how has that played into I mean you're at the pinnacle of awareness and
 mindset and being the bachelor and being involved with that and I will always be
 You know attached to in some way and but
 The highs and lows of that
 Waning a bit is that is it was that a challenge
 It isn't challenge. I'll say yes
 Because I don't care who you are
 uh
 There's a few factors that play into this that I think are interesting now as I look back on it. There's a few things
 Uh, but I'll care who you are you get thrown a show
 You have lights you have cameras you have attention people are asking about their your personal life
 They're even diving into your personal life. It feels
 Exciting uh, it feels it's a it's a change up in life that
 I messed necessarily wasn't prepared for. I don't know if anybody going on a show is prepared for
 But at the same time
 uh
 You get all of this attention and and I never
 I always almost had a grievance towards the attention and this is why
 Uh, and and I think I can be proud of some things I've done since then
 But I didn't do anything to get on that show
 Like I I didn't work
 There was nothing in my life that had prepared me to become the bachelor. I had never
 I have no skill sets that really I had worked on and tweaked it was it
 I had no practice at this and so it's hard for me to have a lot of pride in it
 You know, and at some point that hit me that yes, this is a title place in my name
 It's a reality television show my buddy calls me king of the nerds and
 I don't have a lot of like like this isn't my identity like it's not who I am
 And so then and now especially
 Is this switch in my mind from
 Being known as a bachelor and having the thing that people most recognize me for as the bachelor now be becoming a husband in a few months
 And excited for that and releasing that identity completely of being a bachelor
 And then also knowing that you know, I'm six years out of the show now, and so it's about my leg
 It's like what am I going to do with my life that leaves a footprint and an imprint in the world
 Because the bachelor doesn't really have much to do with that anymore
 I think that is right and I've never thought about it the way you didn't win
 It wasn't like it was contestant to become the bachelor they choose you
 I'm sure you applied or someone applied for you. I don't forget that exact play for you
 But nonetheless, you know other than being you know a good looking guy and just an everyday guy that seemed to make the cut like
 You know, but now you look at what you're doing and I do want to talk about the book alone in plain sight
 And I mean because that's I think that's what we're building to with what you're talking about
 I mean, you know like let's talk about the book and like you know
 I think we're diving right into some of the subject matter
 Yeah, definitely well
 The book really came from a journal I've been keeping since college and I went through some seasons of addiction and depression
 Some seasons of just confusion disorientation. I really knowing
 what I was and and
 And so I started journaling down a lot of my thoughts
 It was recommended to me by a counselor
 So I can I so I could track like what I was thinking
 Um and what I was feeling because day to day would be different
 And as I got older and on the show I started to write down that season of life and my not only my prayers
 For how this all turned out, but also just my confusion of what like almost like a dream like what am I doing on the cover of people magazine
 I don't know what is it like to have my family
 Uh have people show up to their house wondering, you know if they're at home like
 It's just almost like a dream it felt really odd
 I'd say disorienting is the word I've used in it and I continue use it
 And so finally I started to talk about how one I feel
 Unlovable like I always worry that as people get to know me more. They'll like me less
 Uh, and I don't know necessarily where that comes from as much as my own insecurity and my own ego
 um
 Building into that because I started to speak about that other people started to say hey me too
 You know something I held so close to my chest that I never wanted to talk about and when I finally talked about it
 Was healing for me, but then it was also healing for me to see the masses say yeah, I'm there too
 and
 And so I got the opportunity to write a book and I knew this was the message I had to share
 Uh, because I knew the personal struggle of with mental health with addiction
 With feeling isolated and I thought if I could write a book that would allow others to feel more connected themselves to others
 To romance and to God then possibly it would be a benefit to not only myself, but maybe somebody else
 And so that's where a lone plain sight came from. It's why it's out there now came out just a few months ago
 And it's a book not necessarily just about me
 But about me and a couple other people in my life who have had struggles
 Sorrows and pains and I'm hoping that the reader just feels and goes hey, I'm not alone like other people have this too
 What do you think
 I'm sure you've talked about this uh, you know, but like what molded you
 Into this person that seems to be
 Grounded and giving back in some way, which is what you know like a lot
 I talked to a lot of people and they talk about their book and it's I I I I I I and I heard you talk more about others
 They are talking about your own book, but I what and I'm really curious though where you feel like
 That guidance is it just you're upbringing and a you know good midwistered kid like you like what you know like what
 Where do you think that's seated in?
 Yeah, I mean, I think there's a few things. I think one
 The the biggest thing is my faith
 And seeing how
 My faith has
 not only disappointed me
 When it comes to the dealings, you know, especially when I was on a show like with the church
 But also saying okay if I still believe in Jesus even with the disappointments that I have
 With the Christian tradition then what does that mean like what are the things and within that that I
 That I know are healthy that are dear that that Jesus spoke to and one of those things is
 having a fear that Lord is my strength and I think
 The fear has been misinterpreted so many times and really the fear of Lord is having just an obedience to loving God and loving others
 And so within that as is I make that a mission or cry with everything I do I'm not very smart man that when I think about
 Like making decisions. It really comes down to that is this is this loving God is this loving others
 And then if it is and I probably go and do it
 And so that's one of the reasons I just believe that we are meant for community that we're meant to hold others
 With high esteem that we're meant to lift others up until use our gifts in our towns
 To try to bring something better to this planet
 Um, that's one of the things the other
 Personally is anytime I've gone on the path of eye eye eye
 It's never satisfied
 It's it's always disappointed
 It's it's never ended well it might be fun for a while it might feel good for a bit
 There might be monetary gains there might be other gains
 But it always ends tragically and I'm tired of living a life of tragedy
 um
 Tragedy comes no matter what I don't want to put myself in the position to be disappointed all the time
 And anytime I focus on myself I find myself becoming very disappointed
 Uh, and very lonely and so
 Those are probably the two biggest factors outside of family outside of good friendship
 Uh, that have really made made me go. Okay. If I'm taking all this in consideration
 What are the right choice here and that's trying to make this about us and not about me
 I love a lot a lot to learn there. I'm going to highlight that for a highlight clips for people to learn from
 because uh
 Some people get that naturally, but not many uh, and so uh, I really uh admire you for holding true to your faith
 The uh, let's talk a little bit about like you know, obviously
 The bachelor's become big business, you know, and you know
 From the influencer side for every contestant to you know, the you know, engagement sponsorships all those kind of things like
 Is it like for I'm in marketing so like I've always watched the show kind of with that
 Which is probably a little bit different than the average person
 But do you think the average person even recognizes the the machine and the the business that it is
 Now they do. I mean you're hearing you got it more and more uh, where people are getting criticized for
 Not you know that the show has always had this really beautiful
 Explanation for people's intentions. You're there for the wrong reasons
 And I can't hardly even say any more without laughing because I hear so much in my in my other world
 Which is bachelor focused
 But it's it's a great way to explain it and it used to be you're there for the wrong reasons
 Just to have a good time maybe now you're there for the wrong reasons to get the promotion and the fame
 and the monetary value
 It's interesting for me to see the transition
 Because what people don't fully recognize
 I don't know the data to prove it, but I would imagine the monetary compensation
 Now is
 Tenfold to what it was
 Ten to fifteen years ago because there's so many other there's so many new revenue streams that influencers are being a part of
 When I started on the bachelor at Instagram still wasn't a thing
 It was just getting started and so this conversation wasn't even being had
 I don't remember anybody ever asking me like after this or you like
 What are you hoping to do with it or whatever like I don't remember having that until I was the bachelor
 There was the bachelor Instagram was out there
 It was it was the kind of the hot new social media thing
 People were using it people are paying for it
 So I think I've gotten to see uniquely both sides the pre
 Influencer side of it and then the post and I kind of walked the line in the middle and saw it from both ends
 It is a big business now. There's a lot of money gets poured into it
 I think
 Probably rightfully so either you know social media is a very
 Engaged audience you get a lot of people following people for for reasons
 But I think it's a really scary proposition too to some of these contestants to come on the show
 And they go from zero to here overnight and they don't know like immediate fame is
 can be like
 suffocating paralyzing confusing
 You can wake up one morning and have a million followers and and lose you yourself in the process because
 It goes from you just highlighting your life and sharing it with family and friends to now asking yourself the question
 How do I stay more relevant and how do I get engage with my followers?
 And so your lifestyle starts to turn into that you start to become a character
 But I am scary. I think it gets really really hard for a lot of these people
 Um in all aspects now it's transferred over to sports. It's transferred over to
 You know churches. It's I mean, it's transferred. It's you know executives. It's transferred everywhere now
 And uh and it's it's something interesting to study yeah
 And hey, I this a business idea bachelor boot camp you could start it you know like here's how the man is all of it
 Yeah, that'd be great
 And you know what it also that can just be a phone call that I uh I really love talking to any leads coming into the next season
 And I try to connect with each of them
 Uh, especially the men
 Um and just kind of give them
 I really just want them to know that hey like if I can do you they can do it too
 Because it's a really scary thing. You're like well the watermelon in tune is like hey
 Take a couple deep breaths. You're going to be fine. You're going to survive this and you'll probably thrive actually
 uh
 In ways you can't even imagine
 So I know you're still involved like obviously like you said you talked to guests you you come back to
 Reunion things. I'm sure you're doing almost famous
 Podcast with Ashley where y'all talk about it. I mean are you embracing or you I'm sure at some point you're like maybe
 We're like over it, but like do you embrace now like like that opportunity to still you know have influence in and around the show
 Ryan I mean, let's be honest like life's been really great for me post show. I've got to do a lot of cool things um that I'm really proud of
 But I'm not naive
 Uh enough
 To say that if I want to be doing like I want to have a book out that we're talking about I want to be talking to you
 If it wasn't for that show so I embrace it um because I'm thankful for the show now. I know the show has its issues and I know
 Um some people like it some people hate it. I get that uh, I understand that
 But for me personally
 I'm very grateful for that experience. I always will be it's changed my life for the better
 Uh, there's so many things I could ask myself would I would my fiance now have answered my
 direct message if she didn't you know see the little blue check mark and go this guy can't be that creepy
 Uh, I don't know and and so uh yes, I I want to stay involved
 Until the show no longer wants me involved
 Um to try to give back what I can to something that didn't enhance my life
 I love that man. I mean so speaking of love like or hate
 I mean having been you know part of watching I don't know if I I never said I'm I'm part of bachelor nation
 I don't know. I just feel a little creepy. I guess I have I've admitted it now now that uh
 If I even if I want a big hands on my podcast and I watch wife and I watch it then we're definitely part of it but
 you know
 Not to get in the controversy, but Chris Harrison was obviously a huge part of the show
 I mean was you know the pillar of the show we loved Chris
 Uh, we don't I don't really have anything to say or judge about why or or how you know everything transpired with him other than missing him already
 I mean
 Do you still talk to Chris? I mean what's what's your relationship there and how have you felt about all of that?
 Uh, well, you know, Chris is a great buddy of mine
 He has been I can't understate how incredible
 He was and has been to me personally and and these years of my life
 uh
 As a friend outside the show is somebody on the show that was always kind of a comforting force to me
 And I think he was at for most people. I think most contestants
 Um, had a good relationship with Chris
 You know, this has been weird. It's a weird season. I think there's a comfort to seeing him on the television because it's been there for 20 years
 Um, but for me
 Uh, I really I really appreciate him now
 When it comes to unique situation
 Um
 It's a hard thing to to like
 Um to process through I think for a lot of people because they've seen him for 20 years
 Um
 He's held himself well for 20 years
 If there's one dude in Hollywood that could have gotten Hollywood it could have been Chris he never did
 And uh, he goes on an interview
 I think that the interview was not handled well. I think there was things said
 That if he could say differently or elaborate on more
 Could have been perceived better and if he didn't do it it was a bad interview
 Uh, now did that have to end where he's gone forever? I don't know that's that's a very drastic move
 Uh, but I do think that he is missed by many and I do think that he was always respectful of the cast and the crew
 Uh, and he's still been respectful of me. So I do get to talk to him every once in a while. He still reaches out
 Um, but I also imagine Chris is taking a little break from anything relating to the franchise
 I think it's probably pretty hard
 For him to watch this season
 From a distance. I'm sure. I mean
 Just to close on that would you you think it's completely done obviously for a little while
 But I mean you'd never say never already have any inkling the feed would ever be involved again
 I mean, I I don't I was
 I've found out about his
 Uh departure officially as soon as everybody else did. I don't know any details of that
 I I don't know how somebody
 Who receives a severance
 Um, and who has kind of an ugly breakup can come back to a show with in the same capacity that they were before
 At the same time two chris is you know 50 years old. He's at a really successful career
 It does he want to I don't know that answer, but would he want to even come back
 I feel like this was the end uh if I were if I was a betting man
 I would say yes, I think it's the end and
 I just don't know I don't see a path at least if I put myself into Chris's shoes and the show shoes
 Where that can be reconciled
 Fair enough will just have to see all you bachelor fans out there to be continued
 But uh maybe get used to the new normal the uh and I think the the girls are doing it
 Is good a job as they possibly could this year. I mean you know
 In possible situation for that impossible. So like
 You know, they have half a fan base that bases madam just for taking the job
 Another half of the fan base is judging them
 Like they've been doing it for 20 years like it's in it what an impossible situation
 But anybody would have said yes to that job and I think they're doing a great job at it given the circumstances agreed
 Let's talk transition a bit like uh into your kind of entrepreneurial journey with the coffee business and all of that
 I mean, what's that been like becoming you know an entrepreneur and you know managing a business and in all of that
 I mean uh, how's that been going?
 Whoo
 You know, so three half years ago
 So I've been a part of a nonprofit called Humane Hope United since the formation of it my buddy started
 And uh, I was in the board and I was a part of I was on I was kind of in charge of fund raising and at some point in time
 We got really tired
 Of calling our friends and family asking for money all the time and so my buddy and I who started the nonprofit
 We just went on kind of like a a week long trip
 We rented a car in Central America and started driving to talk through to investigate ways that we can maybe figure out how we can fund better or maybe even tell a better story
 and um
 And one of the things we came up with was hey, what if we sold a product
 That's universally consumed
 Uh, that it globally consumed uh, that brings people together that can tell a story behind it and then we agree
 To donate a hundred percent of the profits to nonprofits
 And the nonprofit specifically being Humane Hope United and that's where generous coffee came in so we decide on coffee
 We sell coffee at generous coffee.com a hundred percent of the profits are donated nonprofits
 Uh, it's a passion project for me. It's still nothing that pays me a salary or income
 It has a bunch of incredible people around it some people even in your area that are ambassadors that advocate for generous
 and uh, and we sell it online mostly we deliver it to your door
 It's been it's been an incredible experience because of the things we've gotten to be a part of
 It's been really hard to
 Because we're telling this story
 We're donating this money and you'd expect it to catch on like wildfire
 And spread and it's not been that easy which has taught me a lot because for a period of my life a lot of things were pretty easy
 And uh, and this has been a humbling experience, but also really exciting experiences. We I believe in it fully
 But yeah to any of your listeners thanks for asking you can go to generous coffee.com right
 Coffee it would be a huge gift this episode of the radcast
 generous coffee.com
 Yeah, it leaks the show on the show notes for everyone and uh, we'll get we'll pick up
 You know, we have an office full of coffee lovers. We'll uh, we'll get some ordered for the office as well
 We'll get some back. We'll even we'll put a subscription. Yeah, you probably have a subscription service. We'll even
 Make that like the coffee in the next six months or something, you know, at least we can do that be incredible
 It's you know, it's really fun because with the donation model
 We do get to see the world become a better place. We do get to invest in these individual stories
 We were focused on humans
 Uh, we focus a lot in poverty alleviation and education
 um and and job creation
 And it's been uh, it's been a really like magical ride. It's just not always easy
 And yeah, it's my full-time job. I'm right when I hang up with you. I'll probably I don't know what my calendar looks like today
 But I'm sure of something and I'll be trying to sell coffee
 So I guess I'm working right now too. There you go. Well if you need marketing help you you give us a call
 You never know
 What um
 What's the future whole brother? I mean where we headed. I mean, we're embracing and staying involved with bachelor
 We've got generous coffee. We've got a book out. I mean, we're we're we're we're headed
 Uh, I mean, and I know you're figuring that out. You're getting married man. I mean, you know, the the bachelor fully
 Concludes. Did you said you know
 Yeah, you know, the future is really interesting right now. It is a season of transition
 I i'm investing a little bit more into things that I've always dreamed of being able to do
 So I did start another podcast called hope still wins hope still wins is interviewing people
 um around the world who have stories to share and and allowing the audience and myself to learn from them and with them
 Asking them the ultimate question. Do they believe that hope still wins if so why and if not why not
 That's been really fun. It just launched a month ago
 That's something I want to continue to do um for years of my life and then this is kind of the clarity I have
 Today it could change tomorrow
 But for years of my life I was living for the last five years, especially when when I uh when Jess wasn't around yet
 starting things um
 Creating things uh finding new things again involved in to take up my time. I created
 uh a
 A parallel company that does print on demand a peril called my fan threads and that kind of took off at the beginning took up some time
 generous coffees there hope still wins the book was there almost famous is there
 Um, I have a couple restaurants here in Denver. So like all this was surrounding me and I was just trying to
 Fill my plate now my clarity is that it's time to dive deep
 Uh for whatever reason that scares me a bit for whatever reason I'm hesitant
 To dig in and uh, I think I've been masking that with saying I'm so busy because of all this other stuff
 And and maybe I wasn't I think everybody's busy at some level
 But now it's time to dive deep and invest into these things and create with create within these things
 So I think that's what the next season looks like is really um
 committing uh, and maybe that's the next word for this year
 I just came up with it, but I'm like commitment like I'm getting married
 And I'm going to commit to these businesses. I'm going to commit to my friendships and relationships
 commitment um
 I love it and like
 Let's change all those articles from breakdown to break through brother. That's right
 That's what I always thought I was doing. Yeah
 I I guess I guess it doesn't really uh, it's not as catchy
 No, that's oh the the downer sells man, you know clicks
 I mean, it's not an easy and I think that's one thing I'd like to highlight is
 There's been many of days here
 During this kind of like refocusing where I sat alone and just felt empty and felt confused and disappointed and sad
 Uh, and then there's been days where as I sit in that I'm learning something like why am I feeling
 What is it that I'm missing? What is it that I'm
 reacting to mentally and so I'm I knew
 Over time it would come to some a breakthrough like I knew my life was not over
 Uh, I knew this stuff was not ending. I knew excitement was not
 disappearing from my life
 Uh, and that joy was still interting in I just needed to focus on it for a bit
 Love it
 You got time for a final segment we do is called rad or fad
 I give you like one word as well might be multiple words
 But a concept or a thing and you can give rad or fad uh response
 To it you game
 Got you
 And you can give you can give context didn't have to just be one word you could if you need to explain your answer
 All right. Yeah, first one tiktok
 Oh, I knew you're gonna ask tiktok
 Uh, it's adding is rad. I think it's sticking
 Yeah, I agree. How about uh, which is socks because I hate them
 Traveling to space with Jeff Bezos and or just space tourism
 bad
 I agree uh being the bachelor
 And like is the shows gonna be around? No, it's just you know just the overarching I think you kind of answered it
 It's a sad yeah, I mean it has both like seasons of radness and in like for me as I get married
 I don't think my fiancee right now is gonna love it in five years if I'm still talking about my time as the bachelor
 This is just smart. Hey, you're smarter than most guys headed down this path already
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 We're getting four star recruits three star recruits. We're gonna couple five star recruits
 I am telling you what Indiana University is
 Is honnets way? I love that one is a coach. He's awesome. All right, uh
 What was our last one here? Oh
 Pop country music. I hope it's a fat
 I'm a big I'm a big outlaw red dirt country fan term pike and Canadian ragweed and then you go back like the waylands of the world
 I
 I turn on country music now, and it doesn't sound any different. It doesn't make my heart ache
 Doesn't make me want to pour glass of bourbon. It just makes you get to it off. I love it brother. Good answer
 Well, Ben I really appreciate. I know you're a busy man as we all are but I really appreciate you coming on and
 You know, we I think we've done a human highlight commercial here for the most part
 But I would I do want to give you opportunity where can everybody find everything a lot of is there kind of a central location for for all your stuff
 Yeah, there is probably my Instagram is the best place at Higgins not Ben you can go on there and like I said if you drink coffee in the mornings
 We'd love to give you your coffee
 Read the book while you're doing it alone in plain sight if you need a peril for your corporation your business your fundraiser
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 Yeah, this is like a human infomercial. So I'm very thankful for it. Thank you. No man. Hey, you know
 I I get to self select the people I want to talk to and you've always been on the list
 But I figured maybe we were getting towards a season of the right time
 You know coming a few seasons after the bats are always respected well
 You're handled yourself and and as a as a fan. So and my wife said hey, can I get a picture with him like honey
 He's not going to be in the office, you know
 He's gonna be on the screen. So
 You need hopefully one day then no, I know when you get to South Carolina or you're a national or something like that
 Let's grab a beer who knows
 That's right, Ryan. Well, thanks man. I appreciate it. Hey guys, you know where to find us
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