Episode 33 - Banned from the Bible, What the Gnostic Gospels Reveal

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Hello and welcome to another episode of Spirit Outspoken.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Jason and I are just thrilled to be back here today.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We are going to be talking about this is a big word now, extra canonical.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Texts and these are, are, I'm glad you said that.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I should have a podcast if I struggle with words.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I had to practice that one a number of times.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I was like extra.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So anyway, but I finally got it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Extra canonical text.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So these are the ones these new books that have been found or discovered.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yep.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And that were not included in the Bible.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And we're gonna talk about.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Why it's beneficial mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And why it's okay to want to explore and read and learn about these that they have a valid place, that just because they aren't in the original book it doesn't necessarily mean that we should just throw them out and not acknowledge them.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah, absolutely.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And historically, they were deemed heretical.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>You were either killed or silenced, or.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Exiled.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>If you were a teacher or a believer in a lot of these, and those things tend to get ingrained, right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Into our culture, into Our understanding of what's right and what's wrong, and through our own exploration of our own faith and researching some of this.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it all started with Mary, but

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<v Spirit Outspoken>but

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>yeah, a lot of these gnostic texts, provide such a beautiful.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>perspective

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Understanding, All of these different things that maybe we've never really looked at before.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So not only do we wanna say our personal stance is it's not wrong.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But it's really helped.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Expand our understanding of Jesus.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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And we're going to get into one biblical scholar well, there's multiple who have made a case for why these are important and worthy and valuable.

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Yes.

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And the reasoning for that.

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Mm-hmm.

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Which, which is important.

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Yeah.

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Which is important.

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Like why should we look at this?

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Yeah.

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Beyond just Jason, Rachel saying it's interesting, right?

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So let's start with just like understanding what gnostic means.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So we've touched on this word a little bit, but in general, right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Some of Jesus's most powerful teachings weren't necessarily meant to be around hierarchy or guilt or shame or fear, but more around inner knowing, divine connection and spiritual freedom.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And this is where we really see.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Gnosis come into play.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So the word gnostic is a Greek word and it actually means knowledge.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But ordinary knowledge, like facts or rules, don't apply.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>This is inner knowledge, experiential knowledge.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Spiritual knowing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>A direct connection to God through personal revelation.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it's not a religion, It's not, it's more like a movement of thought.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So the scholar who I'm gonna be talking about, Hal

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Taussig,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He goes on to say that the product of gnosticism is really a product of the last a hundred to 150 years, and scholars actually invented the word so that there would be a separate category for books that were deemed as not as good.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it was almost like a code word that scholars would use.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Or adopted to apply to some of these other things, and he says, technically it's just a made up word that it actually first came into being when there was someone in the 17th century who was trying to make a case against the Catholic church.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>This was during the like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Catholic Protestant battle.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh, interesting.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And they were trying to say, Catholicism is wrong.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Protestantism is right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And that's where we first see that term used in a negative way.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But agnosticism was never a religion.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And that is a huge misconception.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And misleading thing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So when we talk about these books.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>People have been led to believe that this is a different religion.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It is not.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's early Christianity.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's earliest Christianity.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it's just more about the inner knowing, inner wisdom, like you've said, almost like this God within us self knowledge.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>All right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Interesting.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So let's talk a little bit about what these texts have in common.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So there is an emphasis on the direct experience with the divine.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And the belief that there's a divine spark or a spirit that's trapped in the human body that longs to be reconnected with its source.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Teaches us that the material world is flawed.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Or it's fallen and in some of the books, it's even saying that like it's created by a lesser God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And

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<v Spirit Outspoken>it's

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>get controversial.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Don't, poo poo the messenger, I'm just telling you.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And there's some interesting except around that though.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But what's so cool is that it includes a lot of the divine feminine,

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And some of them even see Jesus not as a blood.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Sacrifice for our sins per se, but as a spiritual teacher who awakens us to who we really are.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That has my brain in a pretzel.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah, I know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It has been interesting to try to get my wrapped around some of these.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's interesting.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And the reason why Spirit Outspoken is really interested in this is not because it questions.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Christianity at its core.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I just think it's interesting though, because it, by us discussing this, it's reclaiming what was really stolen.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Or buried literally.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>From Christians all along.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It, it provides.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Just another beautiful layer of understanding Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That people like you and I really connect to, especially women connect to.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>to.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So, yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Pretty interesting stuff.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So when did these books let's talk about the history.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>When did these books become heretical?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Christ was resurrected.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>The, there is this church father err labels, gnostics, heretics And that he says there can only be four true gospels.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Matthew, mark, Luke, and John.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Okay,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So basically if you're not, not in the four, the core four.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>If you're not part of the four man band Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>You're a heretic.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So, why was this such a threat so early on?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And the reason is because.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>This alternative thought or this movement, if you will, is really around the, the premise that salvation comes from inner knowledge, not through church rituals.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Not through church rituals.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And obviously it was like super inflammatory that it was claimed that the God of the Old Testament was a lower flawed creator.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like that was hitting to the core of, the Old Testament, which existed, far preceding Jesus, right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That's, that's, can I just say something on that?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Not to get us off course, please.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But I do recall even as a child Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Being like, wow, the God in the Old Testament seems really different than Jesus.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>A, a a hundred percent.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like he's the one sending plagues.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He's the one that feels very vindictive, very I'm gonna strike you down dead if you don't, do this, and then I would sm you.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And I, I always was confused by that.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So in some ways I'm like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Huh?

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Huh?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I'm not saying I believe it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I just am saying I do recall having that thought that the God of the Old Testament seems so different than Jesus.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Well, okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So I agree with you.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I like the thing where I feel like people are gonna get their boxers in a bunch again, is around just claiming it was a lower or a lesser God that created it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I personally don't believe that version of God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>From the Old Testament, I don't.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah, say it, say it loud and proud.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I, I don't either scared out smoking baby and, and my only other problem too, of the earth being created by a lesser God is, I feel so connected to nature and such a divine, beautiful presence when I am in nature.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I don't know, like that was one where I'm like, eh,

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<v Spirit Outspoken>eh.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>I'm like,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I'm gonna have to like, noodle on it, noodle on this and get more information.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But that's what's really cool is like I'm not all in on this theory.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Of a lower flawed creator.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I also don't

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<v Spirit Outspoken>I

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>personally believe in a fearful punitive God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That would do anything but love and uplift his creation.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I just, I just don't, personally believe that.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So this is what's really beautiful.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Just because we believe in a lot of stuff from these gnostic Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Gospels and, and books.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Doesn't mean we have to buy into the whole thing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Just here, here's the thing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We got free will to make our own decisions.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it's unfolding

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>We can get

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>information and we can work out our own beliefs.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>In real time.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So

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<v Spirit Outspoken>we

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>stands right now.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Rach

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>i, the jury are on

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<v Spirit Outspoken>on?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>the bus or God,

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<v Spirit Outspoken>we'll, we'll

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>we'll report back.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And like believing that there's a divine spark within each person.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So this is really interesting too because there's this whole like perspective that I read recently that well, a couple things.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So like the, the fact that like we're made of stardust we're made from Oh yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>What the universe, that's super interesting.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Share that.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So basically this scientist, uh, her dad died or and then she took some of his ashes and looked at it under a microscope and it literally looked like a star constellation.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>You could not decipher between what the ashes looked like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And literally what, what the stars are.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it's actually been shown like our, makeup is like the exact same elements.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That exist that stars are made of, that the planets are made of, we're all made from the same stuff.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So I went to this amazing show at the science museum in the Omni Theater and in that they basically broke down in a really scientific way.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I couldn't tell you to you right now, but look it up if you're very interested how, in fact we all carry within us and literally startup.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>us

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That we carry that within ourselves.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Within our body.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Totally.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And like so, so, so physically, right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We literally are the universe.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Let's just play this out.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>And spiritually,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>There has been this theory that God put like we're all fractals of God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That's what our soul is.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And like when we pass and our soul goes to be connected to God, we're returning to source.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I was like, what do you mean by source?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like the creator.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like I wasn't totally,

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<v Spirit Outspoken>and

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>and then I understood more about this theory.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So this actually dates to gnostic, uh, books where they believe that there is a divine spark within each of us, mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And like you could relate that to the Holy Spirit, So, it was interesting to see like a theory, like a new age theory, which I had just recently stumbled upon actually yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Highlighted as one of the themes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And again, there was more of an emphasis on spiritual resurrection, not physical.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And I have to say like physical resurrection wasn't applicable.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It just wasn't really highlighted mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>In these different books.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It was more about like spiritual ascension.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Spiritual growth.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And they really elevated women throughout these Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay, so then third to fourth century ce, the church becomes more institutional and political.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And then this is when gnostic teachers were like, silence killed.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like

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<v Spirit Outspoken>real,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>heavy shit.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And then writings were like systematically burned.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Uh, hence why they're burying them

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<v Spirit Outspoken>them in

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>in fields to protect them.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And then 3 25 ce the Council of Messiah sets the tone for the official Christian doctrine, and this is where unity.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And control become the priority.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So, now that we know who Mary was, now that we know the history, it makes so much more sense.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like why there was such an official sense.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like we must control the message.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Centralize it so we can just see exactly like what people are consuming and what they're learning.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It makes sense that they would not want this version of Christianity where it's all about inner knowing and going inward.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We want you to come to us Absolutely.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>For your information and we are the source, and you come to us, you can't do this on your own.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We control it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We own it, essentially.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Sin isn't a separation of the divine.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's something you should feel guilty of.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Fear because you're gonna go to hell unless you atone through payment to the church.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Think about

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<v Spirit Outspoken>yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>what polar opposites those messages are.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It became a financial institution, a political Institution.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Then when those two things come into play, anything alternative to that is

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<v Spirit Outspoken>is a

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>threat, right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>To money, power, political influence, yeah, no wonder.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah, no wonder.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Because some of, some of these things in these books that just pull that string and stuff starts, unraveling.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So before I go into some of the gospels that were found in 1945 in Egypt.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like why?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Why should we look at this stuff?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So I did a really interesting deep dive and found a biblical scholar.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>His name's Hal

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Taussig,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>and I'm just gonna give you a rundown of who he is.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah, his stats.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>'cause I think that's important to legitimize who he is for sure.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So he's a retired professor of New Testament and United.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Methodist pastor.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He's been featured in New York Times Time Magazine, the Daily Show, national Public Radio and more.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He's published 14 books and he mentors and collaborates with other scholars at a nonprofit called West Star Institute, and what West Star does is it gathers together all of these biblical and religious scholars, and they do just what we're doing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>They research, they look at things historically, and then they vote.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>They hold these votes on how everybody thinks, Is it true, is it not?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So you could go in on their website and see exactly how everybody's voted when they have these no way deliberations and then they rewrite, summarize all the information that they found or their final stance on it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>In a simple, easy to understand ways so that us outside of this religious.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Scholarly world can understand and interpret what they're talking about.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That is so cool.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Really, really cool.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So it's W-E-S-T-A-R.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>so I feel like you and I could vote now.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Can you imagine us walking in there?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Hello?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I'd be like, legally blonde.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>I know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But for real there, there are so many more people that are way more educated.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Way more knowledgeable that are doing exactly what we're doing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And really with no agenda.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>They're not trying to prove something way, no one way

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<v Spirit Outspoken>way

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>or the other.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Purely because

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<v Spirit Outspoken>It's

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Truth.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And they wanna uncover truth.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>What I loved about his story is he was initially against all of these.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He said he should have studied these gnostic gospels when he was in seminary.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And then again when he went to school to get his PhD, but he never did.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And he started doing all this public speaking and people would frequently come up to him after and ask him, have you read the Gospel of Mary?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Have you read any of these?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And they've really changed my life.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And he said he would kind of like pat them on the head and in his scholarly, you're so cute.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Condescending way, be like, we don't need to yet look at those.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>There's really no point.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>And

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>he said, eventually people started pushing back a little bit.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like really?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>'cause I found this and this and this.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So fascinating.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>What about this?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And he finally was reluctant, but was like, okay, I'll read these damn things.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Just because I didn't wanna refute it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I wanna refute it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>When these people come up to me after the show, I wanna tell them why they shouldn't even bother.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>And

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>he read them and he was like, I realized how much they made certain things come alive and how vibrant they were and how moving they were.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And he spent the next 20 years.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Diving in and really looking at them.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So then what he went on to do.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He actually gathered together, it was supposed to be 20 scholars, but it ended up being 19 and he had them sit down with all of these different books and then they had discussions and narrowed it down to a few.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>and

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>made it into a book that you can now purchase called The New New Testament.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And he said that he didn't want these books to just go at the end.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Almost like an appendix.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>They actually inserted them alongside the current gospel.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So if you're at all interested, you can buy the new New Testament

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<v Spirit Outspoken>and

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>have all of them there that they felt were the most important and the most helpful in terms of giving people an accurate yes portrayal and think about how much more complete.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Our context and awareness would be, with the inclusion of these other texts.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And he said it's amazing how often he hears from people that these texts are often more meaningful to them than the books that they had in the Bible.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>This is a direct quote from him, he says, It is doctrinal propaganda that has made us think.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That all the books in the New Testament have the same message.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He's if you mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Use any sort of attention when you're reading the gospels, you will see that they're very different perspectives and even down to the way Jesus speaks.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Some people have him speaking in parables and metaphors.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Another one, have him going on for like long flowing sentences, paragraphs and pages of all this stuff.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And he's they're very different perspectives.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And so.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He makes the argument.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>These are different too, but that's okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>They're all a different perspective.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Much like we were talking about before.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it can give us more color, more clarity, and sometimes a better perspective as a whole of what was really happening during the time of Jesus.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>All it takes is to have an open mind.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That's it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>To grow and expand your understanding We will keep saying this until we're blue in the face.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like we're not exploring this to, undermine Jesus.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>No, or even the church like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's what he's saying.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's like just looking and understanding.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Really helps you fall in love with the gospel over and over again.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Because it's adding more color and more beauty.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I don't know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I'm literally obsessed.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I really think that God communicates with people in a way that is effective and meaningful to them.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>them.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And for me, my experiential moments with God, the times where I feel it in my soul.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Have been the most impactful.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it seems like a lot of these gospels really hone into that aspect.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Absolutely.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And so what have we been missing out on this whole other side of Jesus?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And what's ironic is I, I think that that's why we started Spirit Outspoken was because.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like we wanted more magic in our life.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And we've had these moments where you can't explain'em.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>There are these synchronicities like really like down to like miracles.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That we've experienced in different ways.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it was more like trying to open up people to.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Alternative spiritual practices that would lend that experience.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But now we've come all the way full circle and it's really like these mystical teachings from Christ's early days from these other individuals that were deemed, I don't know, heretics.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That connect so deeply with us and what our own personal experiences like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I mean I, I'll say it like I have some type of psychic abilities.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That is as far as the church is concerned.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Blasphemy.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Not okay, but I don't believe that.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I believe it's like gift and knowing from God it's, it is gnosis, it's internal knowledge of God, and now I actually have mediums to help me explain it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That is the coolest thing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it's such a fine line, like we've talked about a million times, like what's the fine line between.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Medium and psychic and profit.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I mean to preach, it's intuition and who is to say what is divine prophecy and what is evil fortune telling like I know and honestly like having clear, cognizant is I, I feel like what I identify most was just like very clear knowing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>People will say the spirit of discernment, it just makes them feel better, right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's the same shit you guys, like I know, my god.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Marketing, it's all marketing,

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<v Spirit Outspoken>all

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's all marketing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>right, it's all marketing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So do, does Hal have anything else to say?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>'cause I would love to give a little teaser of some of these texts that were found in Gibs.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes, go ahead.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So Mary's gospel wasn't even in this, right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We talked about it was found like earlier.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>In a different place, and we're gonna get into her gospel, but there are some really cool things that I just want to quickly touch on.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So, the first one was the Gospel of Thomas.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And this is the whole premise of the kingdom of God is within you.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And these are 114 sayings of Jesus.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>No miracles, no crucifixion, no resurrection, just teachings.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh, I love this.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And like the main idea is that, the kingdom isn't coming later.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's here, it's now, and it's available to you.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>you

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>In your own being?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Mm-hmm.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And I just wanna read a quote from it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>The kingdom of God is within you and all around you.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Not in a mansion in the sky.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Split a piece of wood and I am there.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Lift the stone and you will find me.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Wow.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not taste death.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>This invites such personal, like introspection, reflection,

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<v Spirit Outspoken>And

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>not, there's no obedience, there's no hierarchy.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's literally like I am with you always.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>In all ways.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Ways.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's an invitation.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's an invitation.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I love that.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So, John, the secret teaching of John, this one was like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I don't know, like maybe John, maybe acid was available.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I was like very out there.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>out there.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But it was basically a revelatory, a revelatory dialogue between the risen Christ.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And the Apostle John.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Okay.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it's a it is sort of like a cosmology like the cosmos and explaining the origins of the soul, the origins of evil, it's almost like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>If Genesis and like the stars had a baby, this is sort of like what

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<v Spirit Outspoken>of like

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>the secret was.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Love it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And so basically John was in anguish over Jesus' death

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<v Spirit Outspoken>and that

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>appears to him not as a man, but as a radiant being similar to Mary being like, I don't, who's this guy?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Who is this?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And it, and like Jesus is revealing himself and he's shifting between old age and young age and kind of like going back and forth.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Love it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He reassures John by saying, I have come to teach you what is and what was and what will be so that you may understand the things that are invisible.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh, I love this And like he goes on like this perfect world called like

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Pleroma

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>and that there's like the fall of Sophia.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like all of this crazy stuff you guys almost like Greek mythology makes Well,

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Well

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>revelation is weird, it's kinda of that.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like a weird, yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But basically like it presents Jesus as this like revealer of this sacred secret knowledge.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And through this knowledge, it leads your soul back to divine unity.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Love it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>And then the last one I'll hit on is let's see, let's see who we got.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh, Philip.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh, Philip, Phil, Philip, my God.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Philip was like.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>The, the village gossip with Mary and Jesus.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>He had

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He had all the tea.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He had all the tea.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>He's spilling the tea.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Phillip.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>No, it was really cool.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So, this is also a deeply mystical text, talks about marriage, sacraments, union.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Intimate love often associated with Mary Magdalene, and he's the kind of one that like insinuates, like there's some type of relationship, but again, scholars are kind of like, that doesn't have to mean that it's sexual, got it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So he says those who say they will die first and then rise are an error.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>If they do not receive the resurrection when they live, when they die, they will receive nothing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh, right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Wow.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh,

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<v Spirit Outspoken>and

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>this is when he mentions that there were three who always walk with the Lord, marry his mother, his sister.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Did Jesus have a sister?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>No, not that I'm aware of.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Well, I don't know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Philip was I again?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>TT and then he was the one that talks about he kisses Mary on the blank.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But this is, this is where we see people acknowledging at least a firsthand understanding of, of Mary's divine, role.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>In this like female mysticism, if you will.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So anyway, so talking about embodied spirituality, suggesting that Mary wasn't necessarily a witness but a

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<v Spirit Outspoken>a

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>partner in Revelation, and that the resurrection wasn't about Jesus' body, it was about our awakening.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Wow.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So like you can see why the church was like, yeah, we can't have this, burn this shit to the ground.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I get it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But also oh man, it is.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>is

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like fascinating.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It's beautiful.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It connects deeply Yeah, right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>To explain aspects of faith that we've never really been taught or have been like shown.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So you guys more to come on this topic.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Oh my gosh, I'm so, I'm just like, I'm sitting here trying to wrap my head around it, good luck.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>No, but I love it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I don't love

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<v Spirit Outspoken>love it.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>my, I think I don't know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Like we had to keep filling, filming and going down this road and it's almost like I felt I was like, wait, I need to lock myself in a room.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>For six months.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Six years.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I feel like I need a, a solo retreat and just to be in a cabin by myself for

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<v Spirit Outspoken>days.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I need five days piece.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That may be like, that's wrong.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>That's actually what it meant.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>No zip, go back.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>But seriously, like it's, we've only just begun.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I'm so excited.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I'm so excited, man.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Excited.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We're gonna dig more into Mary specifically, and who knows where this will lead.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I mean, maybe we decide to look at each of these.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yeah.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>In some capacity.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I don't know, but we'll figure it out as we go.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes, we're flowing, baby.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We're flowing, baby.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We're flowing.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We're flowing up The divine feminine.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Vagina.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>God no.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Please, there's anywhere I don't wanna be.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>It is a divine feminine vagina.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>This reminds me of the vagina bottle on I keep whenever I hear divine feminine, I know.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I think of the vagina

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Monologues.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>I'm

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>My brain is fucked up.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I'm sorry.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Anyway.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>All right.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>You wanna bring us home?

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>So you guys, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We hope that you learned as much as we did, that your eyes and mind have been opened a little bit this week.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Uh, stay tuned, and as always, make sure to share this with someone you know, uh, if they are curious and wanting to learn more.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Maybe they have been away from their Christian faith for a while, and some of that might have to do with.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>with,

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Whether it's religious propaganda or things that happen to them in the church, please share this with them.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Yes, we're hoping to like, I don't know, just change people's perceptions a little bit and make Christianity more accessible, more available, more tangible, more experiential.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>Ooh, who

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>I know we're using our new vocabulary.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Anyway, share it with a friend.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Come back next week.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>We'll have more to share with you.

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<v Spirit Outspoken-1>Bye-bye bye.

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<v Spirit Outspoken>bye.

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