Business of Home Podcast

It’s difficult to summarize Joanna Gaines’ job description in one word. Together with her husband Chip Gaines, she opened a home goods shop, Magnolia Market, in the early 2000s—but it wasn’t until the two of them ended up on TV a decade later that Joanna became a star. Since then, she’s built an empire, ranging from product lines to a TV network to a retail and hospitality compound in Waco Texas. Along the way, she’s been everything from designer to baker to shopkeeper to entrepreneur.  

On this episode of the podcast she speaks with host Dennis Scully about relying on intuition and faith to make business decisions, why she’s returning to TV with a new show, and how going from a “no” person to a “why not” person changed everything.  

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hartmann&Forbes

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Dennis Scully
Business of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including how tariffs could impact antiques, why Burke Decor is shutting down, a designer's guide to getting published in 2025, and the booming demand for high-end panic rooms and bunkers. Later, Rue editorial director Kelli Lamb joins the show to talk about how losing her home in the LA wildfires changed everything. 

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Chelsea House

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Rue
Business of Home

For more than three decades, Alfredo Paredes worked behind the scenes at Ralph Lauren, shaping the company’s stores, restaurants and home collections, not to mention spearheading iconic spaces like the Polo Bar in Manhattan. In 2019 he stepped out on his own, quickly making his own name as a designer of both products and interiors. On this episode of the podcast he speaks with host Dennis Scully about the lessons in big thinking he learned from Ralph Lauren, why his own firm is small but not tiny, and why his special talent has always been to take a vision and run with it.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hartmann&Forbes

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Alfredo Paredes
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including the latest on tariffs, a housing update, and what The White Lotus and Severance say about design culture. Later, journalist Julie Lasky and designer Ghislaine Viñas share their highlights from Milan Design Week.

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Chelsea House

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Julie Lasky
Ghislaine Viñas
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A veteran of One Kings Lane, RH, and Ralph Lauren Home, Day Kornbluth stepped into the top job at West Elm in 2023. Since then, she’s been leading a quiet transformation—retooling the brand’s product mix, sharpening its visual identity, and rethinking how it shows up, both online and off. That work came into full view this month with the launch of a sweeping collaboration with LA design duo Pierce & Ward.

On this episode of the podcast, Kornbluth speaks with host Dennis Scully about striking the right balance between mass appeal and design credibility, why AI might become a surprisingly useful tool for creatives, and how the meaning of home has evolved from utility to something far more personal.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hartmann&Forbes

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West Elm
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including the latest on tariffs, Kravet’s new showroom strategy and a major update to ChatGPT. Later, designer James Huniford joins the show to talk about Design on a Dime's 20th anniversary.

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Chelsea House

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James Huniford
Design on a Dime
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Richard Christiansen started Flamingo Estate as a Covid experiment, selling local produce out of his bookstore’s parking lot. It quickly became something much more: A multifaceted brand that brings a luxury approach to the natural world, selling everything from beauty products to boxes of avocados. Along the way, both celebrity and design have played a key role: Christiansen has collaborated with everyone from Lebron James to Kelly Wearstler, and his home—a refurbished 1940’s spanish-style house in LA’s Highland Park—has been a ‘main character’ in the Flamingo Estate story.  

On this episode of the podcast, Christiansen speaks with host Dennis Scully about learning to love saying no, why consumers need to be tricked into embracing sustainability, and how he struggles between the pressure to get big and the need to stay small. 

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hartmann&Forbes

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Flamingo Estate
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including a massive new round of tariffs, RH's latest earnings call, and what happens when designers are their own clients. Later, Mattoboard founder Guy Ailion joins the show to talk about his company's digital approach to sampling.  

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Chelsea House

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Dallas Design Social
Mattoboard
Business of Home

A California native, Jeffrey Alan Marks studied extensively in England as a young designer and brought back a healthy dose of British style when he returned to Los Angeles to launch his career. He became a star as a cast member of Bravo’s Million Dollar Decorators, but ever since has focused on the work, creating lines for Kravet, Palacek and A. Rudin, and designing homes all over the world.

On this episode of the podcast, he speaks with host Dennis Scully about finding a blend of English formality and LA beach culture, why his own homes always got more attention than big budget projects for clients, and why he doesn’t like to jump headfirst into new projects too quickly.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Crypton

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Jeffrey Alan Marks
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including tariff price hikes, a New York design show debuting this spring, and why butter yellow is on the rise. Later, New Yorker staff writer Kyle Chayka joins the show to discuss his book Filterworld—an examination of how algorithmically powered social media has flattened taste.

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living

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Kyle Chayka
Filterworld
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David Phoenix had a rocky youth—he left home at a young age and struggled with addiction. But once he settled into sobriety and pursued design, he’s had a charmed career, working with celebrities like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rob Lowe, his work gracing the cover of Architectural Digest several times, and lines with Hickory Chair and Kravet.  

On this episode of the podcast, Phoenix speaks with host Dennis Scully about why it pays to be honest about what you don’t know, the ideal number of employees in a design firm, and why he has it written into his contract that he “installs in solitude.”

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Crypton

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Dennis Scully
Business of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including layoffs at Food52 and Schoolhouse, a new design district in Charleston, and a look back at how Covid changed the industry. Later, John Edelman joins the show to share some updates on Heller. 

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living

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Heller
Business of Home

A former protégé of design legend Miles Redd, Nick Olsen has built a thriving career blending classical references with bold colors, playful patterns, and a signature sense of wit. In this episode of the podcast, he speaks with host Dennis Scully about how his first apartment ended up on the cover of Domino, why he proudly calls himself a decorator, and why, despite all the pressure to build a social media following, he’s perfectly content not being the next Instagram star.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Crypton

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Nick Olsen
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including a check-in on tariffs, how contractors are finding success on TikTok, and why designers are turning to Etsy. Later, Presti cofounder Hamza Bennis joins the show to talk about his AI startup.  

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living

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Presti
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For years, artist, architect, designer and glassblower Alison Berger honed her craft, showing her work and collaborating with brands like Commes des Garcon and Hermes. Then, in the late 1990s, she began designing lighting for Holly Hunt, kicking off a multi-decade partnership that would see Berger become one of the industry’s most celebrated talents. On this episode of the podcast, she speaks with host Dennis Scully about why she decided to work with RH, why her superpower is persistence, and why she’s back with a new collection, new showroom partners, and a new approach to her work.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Crypton

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Alison Berger Glassworks
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including Trump’s new tariffs, Charles Cohen’s ongoing legal saga, and Pinterest’s battle with AI spam.

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living

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In the late 1990s Glenn Lawson and Grant Fenning made a reputation for themselves as canny vintage pickers. Over time, their own furniture designs came to the forefront, and the two became a trusted resource for top Los Angeles designers. Now Lawson Fenning is opening up an outpost in New York and collaborating with DWR and CB2. On this episode of the podcast, Lawson and Fenning speak with host Dennis Scully about purposefully staying a little under the radar, why they only had to show at ICFF once, and their strategy for dealing with copycats and dupes.  

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Crypton

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Lawson-Fenning
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including Wayfair’s latest numbers, a new tech tool for showrooms, and a critique of the blandness of Zillow. Later, lighting designer Lindsey Adelman joins the show to talk about a major change at her studio.

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Hector Finch.

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Lindsey Adelman
Business of Home

Based in Nashville, Stephanie Sabbe is a celebrated interior designer, and the owner of the home goods shop Heirloom Artifacts. But on top of the artful homes she crafts for clients, Sabbe is beloved by the design industry for her humor and her truthtelling—most of which are done on her must-follow Instagram account. 

Now she’s bringing her unique voice to a new book, Interiors of a Storyteller. On this episode of the podcast Sabbe speaks with host Dennis Scully about why the book is really a memoir dressed up as a design monograph, how runaway costs are changing the industry, and why a dollhouse posted to social media got her more clients than projects in magazines.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hickory Chair

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Sabbe Interior Design
Interiors of a Storyteller
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

 Host Dennis Scully and BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus discuss the biggest news in the design world, including Houzz’s State of the Industry report, all the latest hires, and how designers feel about "dopamine decor." Later, Cyrus Loloi joins the show to discuss the thinking behind the launch of Loloi's new DTC sister brand, Joon Loloi.

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Hector Finch.

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Joon Loloi
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Like many direct-to-consumer companies, Benchmade Modern takes out ads on Instagram and sells its sofas online. But unlike most of its competitors, the company is based out of a US manufacturing group—Artisant Lane, the owner of Lee Industries and American Leather. President Dan Campbell is also an unlikely DTC leader—he’s not a silicon valley entrepreneur, but a 17-year veteran of Holly Hunt.  

On this episode of the podcast, Campbell speaks with host Dennis Scully about how the lessons he learned from the trade apply to the direct-to-consumer world, why gray sofas are over, and why customers care more about design than lead times.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hickory Chair

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Benchmade Modern
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the latest round of Trump tariffs, the microtrends that are here to stay, and what designers really want from trade programs. Later, columnist Warren Shoulberg joins the show to discuss the mood in home retail.  

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Hector Finch.

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After an idyllic childhood in Puerto Rico, Benjamin Noriega-Ortiz was set to pursue higher study in math—instead, he chose architecture, and found himself working for legendary New York designer John Saladino. After setting up his own firm in the 1990s, Noriega-Ortiz built a legend of his own, designing boutique hotels for Ian Schrager and homes for celebrities like Lenny Kravitz.

On this episode of the podcast, Noriega-Ortiz speaks with host Dennis Scully about learning to design like a painter, how he trains architects to think like designers, and why he writes a story for every project—but doesn’t always tell the client.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hickory Chair

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Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the latest on tariffs, Instagram going vertical, and a look at the rising trend of cannabis-related decor. Later, designer Zoë Feldman joins the show to discuss her new venture, Demi, for tackling smaller projects.  

This episode is sponsored by Jaipur Living and Hector Finch.

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In an era when most designers pick a niche, Ben Pentreath is a proud generalist—his work spans everything from housing developments to private homes to a quirky retail operation, Pentreath & Hall. One of his most well-known projects is not a house but an entire village—Poundbury, a planned community in England championed by King Charles. However, Pentreath’s work for private clients is also highly celebrated, and he’s a regular on industry best-of lists.  

On this episode of the podcast, he speaks with host Dennis Scully about the personal tragedy that prompted him to develop a succession plan, why he takes every email inquiry seriously, and why American designers can never quite nail English style.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Hickory Chair

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Pentreath & Hall
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including some positive developments in global shipping, an update on the Charles Cohen drama, and a defense of neutral colors. Later, editor in chief Kaitlin Petersen joins the show live from Las Vegas Market to share highlights from show.

This episode is sponsored by Kohler and Loloi

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Business of Home

With a history stretching back to 1875, French workshop Féau Boiseries is internationally recognized for its expertise in decorative wood paneling, whether it’s an antique from the time of Napoleon or a meticulously crafted reproduction.  In the company’s showroom in the heart of Paris, host Dennis Scully speaks with owner Guillaume Féau about why French artisanship is so prized, the intriguing international market for antique paneling, and why he’s bringing Féau Boiseries to New York City. 

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Ethan Allen

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Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the latest on the TikTok ban, LCDQ’s rebrand, and the future of home fragrances. Later, BOH managing editor Haley Chouinard joins the show to share highlights from Heimtextil, and editor in chief Kaitlin Petersen recaps Paris Déco Off.

This episode is sponsored by Kohler and Loloi

L.A. WILDFIRE RELIEF 
The Soft Landing Project
LA Can Do
World Central Kitchen

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The last time she was on the podcast, interior designer Rita Konig talked about her upbringing in England, and her early career as a design columnist. Two years later, and Konig’s profile has already grown considerably—she’s now a regular on the AD100, her Create Academy course remains as popular as ever, and last year she was honored as House & Garden’s interior designer of the year.  

On this episode of the podcast, Konig speaks with host Dennis Scully about why she’s opening up an office in America, what’s behind the recent rise of British style, and what clients really want in a world where expensive things are increasingly common.

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Ethan Allen

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Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including  the acquisition of Floyd, mortgage rates on the rise, and a big debut from Material Bank.  Later, designer and showroom owner Peter Dunham discusses the devastation of the Los Angeles wildfires and what they might mean for the design community there.

This episode is sponsored by Kohler and Loloi

L.A. WILDFIRE RELIEF 
The Soft Landing Project
LA Can Do
World Central Kitchen

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Peter Dunham
Business of Home

In her years as a publishing consultant, Jill Cohen was the force behind some of the industry’s best design books. Last year, she shifted over to the magazine world, taking the top job at Sandow's residential design title, Luxe.

Twelve months in, and Jill is making Luxe her own with a major redesign. On this episode of the podcast, she speaks with host Dennis Scully about learning to break the magazine’s unspoken rules; her thoughts on what is and isn’t working in design media; and why she wants Luxe to be practical, productive and beautiful. 

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Ethan Allen

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Luxe
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including  an update on the Burke Decor drama, bankruptcy for The Container Store, and a flurry of M&A deals to kick off the new year. Later, Jonathan Adler joins the show to discuss his company's recent acquisition by Consortium Brand Partners.  

This episode is sponsored by Kohler and Loloi

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Jonathan Adler
Business of Home

Shawn Henderson cut his teeth working for established New York designers like Birch Coffey and Thad Hayes before going out on his own in the early aughts. He’s since carved out a shining career, with industry accolades, high-profile clients around the world, a monograph published by Monacelli, and his thoughtfully layered projects regularly appearing in top shelter publications.

On this episode of the podcast, host Dennis Scully chats with Henderson about what being on lists like the AD100 does and doesn’t do for your career, how runaway costs have impacted the industry, and how loosening up and relaxing his style has changed his work for the better.  

This episode is sponsored by Ernesta and Ethan Allen

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Shawn Henderson
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

In a special predictions episode of The Thursday Show, BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus, host Dennis Scully and a roundup of past guests offer thoughts on what the year ahead may bring.

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In the early days, John Derian drew attention as a decoupage artist—his pieces cleverly repurposed illustrations from the 19th century into something fresh and modern. Over the years he’s become known for being so much more: Shopkeeper, author, and purveyor of the world’s most unique Christmas ornaments. 

On this episode, Derian speaks with host Dennis Scully about his collaborations with everyone from Target to Stubbs & Wootton; how he’s managed to keep a sprawling operation going without an inventory and point of sale system; and why he’s never had a master plan, instead taking the growth of his business day by day, step by step.

This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Klafs

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Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including  layoffs at Sotheby’s, RH’s latest earnings report, and the return of colorful bathrooms. Later, editor in chief Kaitlin Petersen and retail columnist Warren Shoulberg join the show to recap 2024.  

This episode is sponsored by Kohler

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Furniture Bank Network
Business of Home

Though House & Garden is a British magazine, it has become a must-read for many American designers, who flock to the publication for its storytelling and production value, its classic English style, and its focus on great homes, not celebrities. 

In this episode of the podcast, House & Garden editor  Hatta Byng speaks with host Dennis Scully about why she’s been embracing digital platforms like TikTok and WhatsApp, why she wants the homes in her magazine to be ‘believable,’ and how House & Garden provides comfort in a time of instability.

This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Klafs

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House & Garden
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the new AD100, a potential TikTok ban, and the age-old debate about who gets to call themselves a designer. Later, publisher Elizabeth Ralls joins the show to explain why she bought Atlanta Homes & Lifestyles.

This episode is sponsored by Kohler

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Atlanta Homes & Lifestyles
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A former buyer at the fashion chain Topshop, Frieda Gormley and her husband Javvy Royle left the corporate world behind to start a brand with a deep connection to nature. The result was a vibrant collection of patterns, and a business that looked to do good as much as it did well—Gormley and Royle have even taken the bold step of carving out a role for Mother Nature on their board of directors.

On this episode of the podcast Gormley speaks with host Dennis Scully about the difficult first year that defined their business, why they implemented a four-day work week, and why they’re very cautious when it comes to growth.

This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Klafs

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House of Hackney
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including RH’s largest gallery ever, layoffs at EJ Victor, and big news from Kravet. Later, the husband-and-wife team of Winn and Lindye Galloway discuss the launch of their new brand, Le Maé.

This episode is sponsored by Kohler 

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Lindye Galloway
Le Maé
Business of Home

Born in Brazil, Andre Mellone’s upbringing took him from Sao Paolo to Syracuse when he moved to the U.S. to study architecture. From there, he worked for the heavyweights of high design in New York, from Robert A.M. Stern to Mark Hampton to Ferguson & Shamamian. Out on his own, Mellone has garnered buzz and media attention for his signature look, an aesthetic sometimes described as “midcentury masculine,” with a recent project for Lauren Santo Domingo landing him on Architectural Digest’s December cover.

On this episode of the podcast, Mellone speaks with host Dennis Scully about the key lessons he learned working for design icons; why all designers—no matter how much they hate it—should be involved in the financial side of their business; and why design is about emotion, not perfection.

This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Klafs

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Studio Mellone
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

The husband-and-wife team of Brooke and Steve Giannetti are nothing if not multitalented. He's architect, she's a designer, but together the two of them have done a little bit of everything: from opening a shop in small-town Tennessee to creating homes for A-List celebrities to caring for a menagerie of sheep, donkeys, goats and highland cattle on their farm, Patina Meadow.  

On this episode of the podcast, the Giannettis speak with host Dennis Scully about how working with animals informs both their lives and their business, how they keep clients excited over the course of a long project, and why designers should be curious about new technology—not fearful.

This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Annie Selke

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Patina Home & Garden
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the debut of Amazon’s ultra-cheap marketplace, a check-in on the housing market, and how tariffs might impact the home industry. Later, designer Ken Fulk joins the show to talk about his new Southern California retail outpost.

This episode is sponsored by Kohler and Klafs

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Ken Fulk
Business of Home

An icon of Chicago’s design scene, Tom Stringer cut his teeth working for Alessandra Branca before starting his own firm in the mid 1990s. Over the decades his work has been widely featured in the shelter media, and his projects for some of America’s most notable families have taken him around the world.

On this episode of the podcast, Stringer chats with host Dennis Scully about his surprising vetting process for new clients, why he gives his employees sabbaticals and executive coaching, and why he’s at his best when he’s in a little over his head.

This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Annie Selke

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Tom Stringer Design Partners
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including the fate of the DCOTA, rising mortgage rates, and the design industry’s next killer app. Later, Substack writers Leonora Epstein and David Michon join the show to talk about how the platform is changing design media.

This episode is sponsored by Kohler and Klafs

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For Scale
Schmatta
Business of Home

Started over one hundred years ago with a single product, Hickory Chair has grown over the decades and changed hands several times, but it never left North Carolina. Out of a single facility, the company produces both upholstery and case goods using the same techniques it has for generations. 

On this episode of the podcast, host Dennis Scully speaks with the brand’s president Federico Contigiani about the challenges of building a brand in home; why design both is and isn’t like fashion; and why, no matter what technology brings, furniture will always be a trust business.

This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Annie Selke

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Hickory Chair
Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including more Charles Cohen drama, changes at the top for several shelter publications, and a look at Kravet’s latest tech experiment. Later, comedian Dan Rosen joins the show to talk about his accidental career as a design critic.

This episode is sponsored by Kohler and Klafs

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Dan Rosen
Middlebrow Podcast
Business of Home

Founded in 1960, over the decades Roche Bobois has become synonymous with chic contemporary design. The first furniture brand to advertise in fashion magazines, today Roche Bobois’s hit products include the iconic Mah Jong and Bubble sofas, and hundreds of the brand’s showrooms are spread out all over the world.

On this episode of the podcast, the brand’s international director Martin Gleize speaks with host Dennis Scully about why the post-COVID landscape is fraught with confusion for furniture companies, the opportunities and challenges in China, and why the biggest mistake for any brand is to try to be two things at once. 

This episode is sponsored by Loloi and Annie Selke

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Dennis Scully
Business of Home

BOH executive editor Fred Nicolaus and host Dennis Scully discuss the biggest news in the industry, including Design Manager’s new acquisitions, why Williams Sonoma is suing Dupe.com, and Amazon’s rumored $20 sofa. Later, BOH editor in chief Kaitlin Petersen joins the show to recap High Point Market.

This episode is sponsored by Kohler and Klafs

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High Point Market
Business of Home

After an artistic childhood in San Juan, Puerto Rico, interior designer Susana Simonpietri’s early studies took her to Europe and then New York, where she went on to work for some of the industry’s biggest names. Since going out on her own in the wake of the great recession, Simonpietri has built up a team of 30, published her work widely in top shelter magazines, and brought a warm, thoughtfully edited approach to projects across the country

On this episode of the podcast, Simonpietri speaks with host Dennis Scully about how past experiences have taught her to screen clients carefully, how she learned to hire and work with the next generation of designers, and why she’s determined to break the industry cycle of toxic workplaces. 

This episode is sponsored by Four Hands and Surya

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Chango
Dennis Scully
Business of Home